Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 15, 2005 16:13:55 GMT -5
Genesis Study: 08-14-05
Genesis Chapter 47, Verses 10 - 31
We are studying the Book of Genesis starting Chapter 47, Verse 10. We are studying about the life of Joseph the son of Jacob, lets keep in mind that Joseph was an incarnation of Jesus. Please feel free to interject or comment at any time.
(08:19:04) (host-Roz) well looks like most of us are here and present
(08:19:31) (host-Roz) lets take a minute and center
(08:20:29) (host-Roz) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God…feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(08:20:51) (host-Roz) Amen
(08:20:57) (merri) Amen
(08:21:01) (Cris) Amen
(08:21:01) (Lory) Amen
(08:21:01) (_Blu) Amen
(08:21:01) (LoveInfinity) Amen
(08:21:02) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(08:21:09) (ron) amen
(08:21:16) (Bill) Amen
(08:21:53) (host-Roz) 10 AND JACOB BLESSED PHARAOH AND WENT OUT FROM BEFORE PHARAOH.
(08:22:25) (host-Roz) 11 THEN JOSEPH SETTLED HIS FATHER AND HIS BROTHERS, AND GAVE THEM A POSSESSION IN THE LAND OF EGYPT IN THE BEST OF THE LAND, IN THE LAND OF RAMESES, AS PHARAOH HAD COMMANDED.
(08:23:04) (host-Roz) 12 AND JOSEPH SUPPLIED HIS FATHER AND HIS BROTHERS AND ALL HIS FATHER’S HOUSEHOLD WITH WHEAT ACCORDING TO THEIR FAMILIES.
(08:23:38) (host-Roz) 13 ~AND THERE WAS NO GRAIN IN ALL THE LAND; FOR THE FAMINE WAS VERY SEVERE, SO THAT THE LAND OF EGYPT AND THE LAND OF CANAAN WERE DESOLATE BY REASON OF THE FAMINE.
(08:24:17) (host-Roz) 14 AND JOSEPH GATHERED UP ALL THE MONEY THAT WAS TO BE FOUND IN THE LAND OF EGYPT AND IN THE LAND OF CANAAN FOR THE GRAIN, WHICH THEY BOUGHT; AND JOSEPH BROUGHT THE MONEY INTO PHARAOH’S HOUSE.
(08:24:52) (host-Roz) 15 AND WHEN THE MONEY WAS SPENT FROM THE LAND OF EGYPT AND FROM THE LAND OF CANAAN, ALL THE EGYPTIANS CAME TO JOSEPH AND SAID TO HIM, GIVE US WHEAT THAT WE MAY LIVE, AND NOT DIE IN YOUR PRESENCE; FOR THE MONEY IS SPENT.
(08:25:33) (host-Roz) 16 AND JOSEPH SAID TO THEM, GIVE ME YOUR CATTLE, AND I WILL GIVE YOU GRAIN FOR YOUR CATTLE, IF YOUR MONEY IS SPENT.
(08:25:52) (host-Roz) Joseph was some horse trader
(08:26:35) (host-Roz) 17 SO THEY BROUGHT THEIR CATTLE TO JOSEPH; AND JOSEPH GAVE THEM GRAIN IN EXCHANGE FOR HORSES AND FOR FLOCKS AND FOR HERDS AND FOR ASSES; AND HE SUPPLIED THEM WITH FOOD IN EXCHANGE FOR ALL THEIR HERDS THAT YEAR
(08:27:12) (host-Roz) 18 WHEN THAT YEAR WAS ENDED, THEY CAME TO HIM THE SECOND YEAR, AND SAID TO HIM, WE WILL NOT HIDE IT FROM OUR LORD, FOR THE MONEY IS SPENT; AND OUR LORD ALSO HAS ALL THE HERDS AND CATTLE; THERE IS NOTHING LEFT IN THE SIGHT OF OUR LORD BUT OUR PERSONS AND OUR LANDS;
(08:27:52) (host-Roz) 19 WHY SHOULD WE DIE BEFORE YOUR EYES, BOTH WE AND OUR LANDS? BUY US AND OUR LANDS FOR BREAD, AND WE AND OUR LANDS WILL BE SERVANTS TO PHARAOH; AND GIVE US SEED, THAT WE MAY LIVE, AND NOT DIE AND THAT THE LAND BE NOT DESOLATE.
(08:28:21) (host-Roz) desperate people
(08:28:52) (host-Roz) 20 AND JOSEPH BOUGHT ALL THE LAND OF EGYPT FOR PHARAOH; FOR THE EGYPTIANS SOLD EVERY MAN HIS FIELD, BECAUSE OF THE FAMINE PREVAILED OVER THEM,; SO THE LAND BECAME PHAROAHS
(08:29:05) (host-Roz) any comments?
(08:29:50) (host-Roz) AND JOSEPH BOUTGHT ALL THE LANDOF EGYPT FOR PHARAOH; FOR THE EGYPTIANS SOLD EVERY MAN HIS FIELD, BECAUSE THE FAMINE PREVAILED OVER THEM; SO THE LAND BECAME PHARAOH’S.
(08:29:51) (patricia) that doesn't seem fair does it?
(08:29:51) (LoveInfinity) even when they were bad to Joseph he still feed them
(08:29:51) (Cris) He certainly took care of business for the pharoah
(08:30:09) (host-Roz) he did that Cris
(08:30:25) (Lory) Was that no Joseph's way of showing his gratitude to the Pharaoh when he took him in as well as to feed his people?
(08:30:47) (host-Roz) 21 AND AS FOR THE PEOPLE, HE REMOVED THEM FROM TOWN TO TOWN FROM ONE END OF THE BORDERS OF EGYPT TO THE OTHER END THEREOF.
(08:31:49) (host-Roz) • 22 ONLY THE LAND OF THE PRIESTS HE DID NOT BUY: FOR THE PRIESTS HAD A GRANT FROM PHARAOH, AND DID EAT THEIR PORTION WHICH PHARAOH GAVE THEM; THEREFORE THEY DID NOT SELL THEIR LANDS.
(08:32:23) (host-Roz) did Egypt have Priests? obviously!!!
(08:33:04) (host-Roz) 23 THEN JOSEPH SAID TO THE PEOPLE, BEHOLD, I HAVE BOUGHT YOU THIS DAY AND YOUR LANDS FOR PHARAOH; LO, HERE IS SEED FOR YOU, AND. YOU SHALL SOW THE LAND.
(08:33:33) (BlackWolf) Cornering the market for the Pharoah! ancient capitalism at work. :o)
(08:33:37) (host-Roz) enslaved the people?
(08:33:42) (Lory) He put them work, giving them back their pride.
(08:34:12) (Lory) No one likes a hand out.
(08:34:18) (LoveInfinity) Joseph was in high power and new from God of the drought to come
(08:34:29) (host-Roz) He did that for sure Lory
(08:34:34) (host-Roz) 24 AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS WHEN THE CROPS ARE GATHERED IN, YOU SHALL GIVE THE FIFTH PART TO PHARAOH, AND FOUR PARTS SHALL BE YOUR OWN, FOR SEED OF THE ~FIELD AND FOR YOUR FOOD AND FOR FOOD FOR YOUR HOUSEHOLD AND FOR FOOD FOR YOUR LITTLE ONES.
(08:35:15) (host-Roz) 25 AND THEY SAID, YOU HAVE SAVED OUR LIVES; LET US FIND MERCY IN THE SIGHT OF OUR LORD, AND WE WILL BE PHARAOH’S SERVANTS.
(08:35:57) (host-Roz) 26 AND JOSEPH MADE IT A LAW OVER THE LAND OF EGYPT TO THIS DAY THAT PHARAOH SHOULD HAVE THE FIFTH PART, EXCEPT THE LAND OF THE PRIESTS ONLY, FOR IT DID NOT BELONG TO PHARAOH.
(08:36:31) (merri) the beginnings of taxation!
(08:36:33) (patricia) why do they need seed? all their land is gone. what they gonna do with the seed?
(08:36:36) (ron) ancient communism
(08:36:53) (host-Roz) 27 AND ISRAEL DWELT IN THE LAND OF EGYPT IN THE REGION OF GOSHEN; AND THEY BECAME POWERFUL IN IT, AND GREW, AND MULTIPLIED EXCEEDINGLY
(08:37:03) (Cris) The seven years of lean should have been about over so the new crops would need to be planted
(08:37:08) (host-Roz) plant the crops Patricia
(08:37:25) (patricia) where? their land is gone now.
(08:37:56) (merri) not gone just belongs to Pharaoh
(08:38:17) (host-Roz) but they lived on the land even tho it belonged to the Pharaoh
(08:38:17) (BlackWolf) Oh my, the first feudal society.
(08:38:17) (merri) the land still has to be worked
(08:38:50) (Bill) pretty cheap rent only 1/5 of the crop
(08:38:58) (Lory) Nothing really ever changes, for it is constantly repeating itself.
(08:39:14) (host-Roz) and he saved the country
(08:39:21) (host-Roz) 29 AND WHEN THE TIME DREW NEAR THAT ISRAEL MUST DIE, HE CALLED HIS SON JOSEPH, AND SAID TO HIM, IF NOW 1 HA\~ FOUND GRACE IN YOUR SIGHT, PUT YOUR HAND UNDER MY THIGH, AND I WILL MAKE YOU TO SWEAR BY THE LOIU THAT YOU WILL DEAL GRACIOUSLY AND TRULY WITH ME; DO NOT BURY ME IN EGYPT;
(08:39:27) (merri) just the people and the times, Lory
(08:39:36) (Theophilus) i have always found it curious that Joseph demanded 20%, twice as nuch as God requires as a tithe
(08:39:42) (LoveInfinity) Joseph found favour with God , he put him in a place to save them all
(08:39:43) (Cris) Joseph being able to interpret the dream saved the country
(08:41:30) (host-Roz) 30 BUT WHEN I SLEEP WITH MY FATHERS, YOU SHALL CARRY ME OUT OF EGYPT AND BURY ME IN THEIR BURIAL PLACE. AND JOSEPH SAID, I WILL DO AS YOU HAVE SAID.
(08:42:21) (host-Roz) 31. AND HE SAID ,SWEAR TO ME, ANDHE SWORE TO HIM, AND ISRAEL BOWED HIM SELF ON THE HEAD OF HIS STAFF
(08:42:45) (host-Roz) short chapter tonite
(08:42:58) (Lory) Jacob is now called Israel?
(08:43:08) (host-Roz) yes Lory he is
(08:43:25) (Theophilus) had been for years at this point
(08:44:10) (host-Roz) I thot we'd take some time tonite to do a healing, for each other and for Mother Earth
(08:44:29) (Bill) why is it broken?
(08:44:31) (Lory) Excellent idea, roz.
(08:44:46) (host-Roz) seemingly Bill in places
(08:45:33) (host-Roz) or woukd you like to just bless Her as she blesses us
(08:45:53) (host-Roz) would*
(08:46:12) (Bill) okay then Roz quess we should go for some famine insurance and fix thjings up
(08:46:56) (Lory) Some of the farmers are really having a bad time of it.
(08:47:07) (host-Roz) wonder how we would fare w/ a catastrophic happening in our own land
(08:47:16) (Bill) whatsa new Lory their the biggest winers on the planet
(08:47:51) (Lory) But they also produce our food, Bill, and we need them.
(08:48:03) (host-Roz) would we have leadership to save the people
(08:48:18) (host-Roz) Divine life is expressing health and vitality through me now! My body is healed by the presence of Divine life. Divine life forms the essence of my being—I am healthy and whole. God’s healing power is active within me. With faith and conviction, I speak life-affirming words of health and vitality: God is here, ever-present within me and surrounding me. Experiencing God’s healing presence, I am blessed with renewal am aglow with the vibrancy of Divine e
(08:48:28) (Bill) and they are also the biggest hazards to our planet with their sprays and genetically altered stuff
(08:49:34) (BlackWolf) Just after the stockmarket crash of 1929 the midwest and the Mississippi went through years of drought that made the Greay Depression even worse than it would have been, if oly the stockmarket had failed.
(08:50:00) (BlackWolf) Great,....only
(08:50:01) (host-Roz) and southwest too BW
(08:50:05) (WalksInSpirit) Don't forget the Dust Bowl.
(08:50:10) (Lory) Yes, BlackWolf. I was there and have first hand knowledge.
(08:50:54) (BlackWolf) Yes, the dust bowl was the entire middle of the USA. Not sure if the drought extended up into Canada then.
(08:51:00) (Cris) Lory you need to write your memoirs of that time
(08:51:36) (Cris) or record it for future generations
(08:51:44) (host-Roz) remember the trek from the Oklahoma dust bowl to Calif
(08:52:43) (Cris) My mother had vivid memories of the depression even though Michigan wasn't hard hit
(08:52:53) (host-Roz) abandoned their farms and left w/ everything they owned
(08:53:05) (Lory) But I would not trade it for any other experience. Made me grateful for what came later.
(08:53:35) (host-Roz) whole ranches were covered w/ silt and sand
(08:53:54) (Lory) Water is the necessity of life.
(08:54:06) (host-Roz) cattle died in the fields
(08:54:22) (BlackWolf) Much of the middle of the USA has thin soil on top of a vast sea of sand.
(08:54:34) (Lory) And had to be buried, Roz, to control disease.
(08:54:55) (host-Roz) we lost our whole herd
(08:54:57) (Lory) In Indians shuddered when farmers came to plow the fields.
(08:55:17) (ron) hasn't there been droughts been going on for many years already...here in the U.S.?
(08:55:40) (Lory) Some worse than others, ron.
(08:55:41) (host-Roz) but now there is irrigation
(08:55:43) (WalksInSpirit) My Grandfather & Grandmother took in a whole family during that time, cause they didn't have anything and the mother was a widow. So, they all got by as best they could together.
(08:56:10) (ron) but it is rationed out in some cases
(08:57:20) (host-Roz) Bill did Canada suffer the same then?
(08:58:20) (karen) about the grapes of wrath
(08:59:02) (karen) does anyone think they over or underdid the plot.?
(08:59:03) (Bill) To sow seed Farmers had to pull up Fibrous Roots of Natural Prarie Plants and the burned off all the stubble. The prarie back then was like a big huge dry dessert. It happened in Alberta, Manitoba,Saskatcheuten, and the United States.
(08:59:25) (Lory) Who do you mean by they, karen?
(08:59:34) (host-Roz) the plot of the Egyptians?
(08:59:47) (karen) the producers and directors.
(09:00:10) (host-Roz) producers and directors of what?
(09:00:15) (Theophilus) lol
(09:00:23) (host-Roz) the Grapes of Wrath not at all
(09:00:52) (Lory) No, karen. It was not overdone. I was there.
(09:01:01) (karen) does the movie the grapes of wrath portray the period well , or did they over or under do the plot of the story.?
(09:01:09) (host-Roz) agree w/ Lory
(09:01:35) (host-Roz) portrayed very graphically
(09:02:03) (WalksInSpirit) My grandfather owned a trading post, and he'd let people charge groceries till he didn't ahve anything left in his store. When he passed, people still owed grocery bills. But he never collected on them.
(09:02:17) (Lory) The book is even better than the movie, karen.
(09:03:08) (karen) anyone remember the waltons tv show .....it took place during a portion of the depression.
(09:44:31) (patricia) Thank you Roz
(09:45:10) (Roz) you are so welcome Patricia
