Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 10, 2006 21:52:00 GMT -5
Col. Churchward's Lemuria, Pt.II: 08-10-06
(02:05:18) (WalksInSpirit) Ok, we have a lotta ground to cover today in Part II of Churchward's Lemuria. Are yall ready to start?
(02:05:26) (Lynn) ready
(02:05:37) (true-eagle) k
(02:05:47) (true-eagle) lead on
(02:06:50) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Lynn, will you start us off with a prayer?
(02:07:07) (Lynn) Please give us eyes that we may see
(02:07:15) (Lynn) ears that we may hear
(02:07:23) (Lynn) And hearts that we may understand
(02:07:25) (Lynn) ty
(02:07:27) (Lynn) Amen
(02:07:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(02:07:33) (true-eagle) nunnwe ^i^
(02:07:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Thank you, Lynn :-)
(02:07:58) (Anonymous) what they said:)
(02:08:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Now, we'll pick up where we left off last week in the lecture given by Joan T. Griffith, regarding her Godfather's - Col. James Churchward's - work and research into Lemuria.
(02:10:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Prophecy figures in flood legends, as well: an ancient Coptic Papyrus indicates, "The Flood will take place when the ’Heart of the Lion’ (Aldebaran) enters the start of the head of Cancer."
(02:11:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (Feel free to stop me at any time for comments, questions, discussion, etc.)
(02:11:51) (true-eagle) k
(02:11:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The vernal point coincided with the center of Leo (occurring 11,600 years ago) from the famous Zodiac of Dendera, copied from far older versions. From tales of a deluge to legends of cataclysm and sunken lands, is a mere step. References to an Atlantean land submergence come from Celtic, Frisian, Roman, Greek, Egyptian, Spanish - and as many concerning Mu.
(02:12:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Hindu traditions affirm that the first Sangham (poetic academy) lasted for 4,400 years; the second one for 3,700 years; the third one (up to the Christian era) lasted 1,850 years. Total, 11,900 years BP for the start of Sanghams, which began "shortly after the flood."
(02:13:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (BP = Before Present)
(02:13:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is logical that most records and traditions refer to the most recent flood or destruction; inscripted histories of extreme antiquity were doubtless destroyed with the next set of earth changes, down the line. Civilization has a way of starting new calendars, new histories, at the dawn of each era following destructions, with welcome forgetfulness.
(02:14:39) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In almost all cultures, incoming rulers have efficiently erased all traces of the former oligarchy.
(02:14:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Fanatics have eliminated the best resources, such as the Library at Alexandria, the Mayan Codices, many Buddhist temple records, so that proof of antiquities must be collated bit by bit from fragmented sources, esoteric writings, heavily guarded sacred texts, and from those who have a proven ability to access Akashic Records.
(02:15:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) But countless ruins remain, the construction of which cannot be copied today with our advanced engineering techniques. And science will ultimately clear many a mystery, as tiny advances are made slowly in the field.
(02:16:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Ice Age, or Glacier Period, in which we believe unquestionably, could be re-examined to a different conclusion if we ask the question that Churchward did in 1927:
(02:16:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • How did enormous sheets of ice travel over mountain ranges?
(02:16:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • What propelled them?
(02:16:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • And more, what sudden climactic event caused such a mass freezing?
(02:16:45) (Lynn) asteroid may have hit planet
(02:16:50) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A more reasonable explanation of what occurred during the Glacial Period, which indeed included a cataclysm, is explained by James P. Dana in The Geological Tale. Boulders and stones, gravel and sand were transported in huge drifts, over the N. latitudes of America and Asia. Over hills it is unstratified drift; in river valleys it is stratified drift.
(02:16:51) (true-eagle) yes
(02:17:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Although geology asserts that the "ice cap" extended around the N. hemisphere, it doesn’t mention E. Asia and Siberia!
(02:17:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) That, explains Churchward, is because there had not been ice accompanying the Asiatic wave of water which did flood over the NE parts of Asia, gathering up the animal life roaming the plains, including mammoths, carrying them up to the Arctic Ocean, and depositing them in hulk at the mouth of the Lena River, with the bones forming Llakoff’s Island.
(02:18:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Had there been ice accompanying the water wave, the bodies and bones of the animals would have been ground to a pulp, as they were in Europe and N. America, and there would have been no Llakoff’s. Moreover, the climate was mild and temperate in the NE parts of Asia, shown by the animal life sustained by abundant vegetation.
(02:18:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is virtually impossible for one half of the northern hemisphere to have an ice cap thousands of feet thick while the adjoining half on the same latitude was enjoying a temperate climate! Remember the buttercups in the mammoth’s stomach?
(02:18:55) (Lynn) yes
(02:19:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It wasn’t ice that killed these beasts, but a reversal of the poles, so that temperate zones became frigid, cold became torrid. Floods occurred, and land subsidence. It was the time of the last destructions of Mu and Atlantis, both mostly in a series of islands by that time, instead of their former continental size.
(02:19:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Instead of enduring an Ice Age, the present Gobi Desert was then a fertile land holding great cities, including the Uighur capital Kara Khota, now buried beneath 40 to 50 feet of sand and gravel.
(02:20:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) At the time of this great flood, says Churchward, the gas-belts had not been formed nor the mountains raised. Why there are scratches left by boulders on the tops of Appalachian mountains is explained by the fact that they were carried along by water, with a little ice, across the plains before the mountains were raised.
(02:20:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is absurd, says Churchward, to imagine a glacier with a 20,000-foot thickness (the amount it would take to form an ice cap around the northern part of the N. Hemisphere down to the 40th Parallel!), for it would require more water than now exists in all the oceans!
(02:21:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It couldn’t cross the (nonexistent) Labrador Mountains (which would have had to be 60,000 ft. high), the 7,000 ft. high Adirondack, sink into the valleys, and surmount the Catskills after losing 17,000 ft. in the Mohawk valleys ... and so on!
(02:21:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A glacier can’t slide, unless it’s putty, so what propelled it? The Ice Age is a handy ploy used by dogmatists in order to avoid explaining a cataclysm and submerged continents.
(02:22:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) That the mountains were raised in recent times is further proven by sites like Tiahuanaco in Peru, built in 14,000 BC at sea level, now at an elevation of 13,500 ft. in the Andes, from the raising of the mountain range.
(02:22:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) At another site, the Peruvian temple of El Fuerte (dated by archaeologist Albert Meijer as Pre-Incan), sandstone forming the mountain (temple) contains many fossilized remains of marine life, indicating it was once below sea level.
(02:23:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Oriental records describe the "raising of the mountains," and there are Biblical references (Psalms) to the time "before there were mountains." Zulu legend tells of the tribes fleeing N. Africa, ruined by mountain raising, settling in the south.
(02:23:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Churchward’s explanation is that the upward thrust is caused by inner workings of the earth, as the gas-belt system was formed and subsequently underwent the first blowing out of its Archaean chambers during the Tertiary Era.
(02:24:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A classic example of land upheaval is the Valley of Mexico, now at 7,000 above sea level, but estimated by Churchward to have existed at sea level until about 12,000 years ago, with its pushed up by exploding subterranean gases.
(02:24:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cayce warned an oilman (in a 1940s Reading) not to drill in the Mexico City area, as its foundations were honeycombed and would collapse if oil were extracted - a scenario reminiscent of the Colonel’s description of how the continent of Mu collapsed, as supporting chambers blown out, with subsidence and submergence.
(02:24:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Certainly there is evidence of tidal waves sweeping across the Valley, carrying sand, gravel, and rocks on more than one occasion in the last 40,000 years.
(02:25:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In the 1910s explorer and mineralologist William Niven stumbled upon a series of pits which reached 30 feet in depth, in an area of 10 x 20 miles in the NW Valley between Texcoco and Haluepantla. Between strata of sand/pebbles, there were layers of ancient ruins, prehistoric cities at 9 to 14-ft. intervals, with the lowest buried city (and third pavement down) beneath a layer of volcanic ash.
(02:26:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Artifacts with Phoenician, Semite, and Chinese features were dug from the bottom layer. By dating these layers, one would presumably arrive at time-frames corresponding with each of the dates of Lemuria/Atlantis destruction (10,900 BC, 28,000 BC, 50,200 BC), and an influx of different cultures in between the layers of flood debris.
(02:26:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The second of Niven’s unusual finds (1921-23) was a vast number of carved stone tablets with pictographs at a 12-foot depth in pits near Amantla, five miles NW of Mexico City. In all, he amassed over 2,600 tablets, which he placed in a private museum in Mexico City before his death in 1937.
(02:27:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) When these were seen by Churchward, he joyously exclaimed they were similar, though smaller, with like inscriptions, to the Naacal tablets in Tibet, copied from records of Mu.
(02:27:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The priestly brotherhood, he said, had been sent out from Mu to teach the sacred writings of religion and science to colonists in southeast Asia, then India.
(02:27:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Though Churchward was unaware, a man named Edgar Cayce was soon to access information which would support these claims (independently of the Colonel’s research as the two men had no contact). Said Cayce:
(02:28:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "The meetings termed as regular conclaves for the understanding and correlating of teaching of those of other lands; as Saneid in India, Zar, RaTa the High Priest of Egypt, and the teacher in the [now] Gobi"
(02:28:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (#1021-3, Oc(. 1935).
(02:28:50) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And
(02:29:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "There had been upheavals also from the land of Mu, or Lemuria. and these had their part in changing of the [Yucatan] land contours [ 10,600 BC], or there was the injection of their tenets in the varied portions of the land; temples then erected by Iltar and his followers from Atlantis, in this land ...
(02:29:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) a combination of those peoples from Mu, Oz [pre-Incan] and Atlantis ... we may find in these ruins that which partakes of the Egyptian, Lemurian and Oz civilizations, and later activities even of the Mosaic activities."
(02:29:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (#5750-1, Nov. 1933)
(02:30:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) To support both Churchward and Cayce, there are traces of far-flung civilizations in the Negroid and Semite-featured statues of Olmecs in Oaxaca and Monte Alban (below images); the likeness of a bearded Tlaloc at Tula, Chinese jade found in Niven’s lowest city; evidence of Phoenician voyages in Azores and near Cape Cod.
(02:30:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Edward H. Thompson reported a race of light-skinned, blue-eyed " Ulnwcas" landed near Tampico, often called Chanes or Canob.
(02:30:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to Cayce, the white race originated in the Carpathians, now Turkey; apparently few stayed the put, with colonies established in Egypt, in Gobi, in Mu, all over the present Europe, Atlantis, and ultimately Mexico and C. America (doesn’t the name "car-path" suggest it?!).
(02:31:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to the Mayan books of Chilam Balam and the Popol Vuh the first inhabitants of Yucatan came "from the East landing on Cozumel."
(02:31:54) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Other records mention "from lands to the West" referring to Mu mountain ranges rather than Atlantis. There is no "right" answer; they came from everywhere! Logically, fleeing Atlanteans could not bring their sophisticated technology with them, only the memory of it.
(02:32:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Those who survived the last sinking of Mu were left to island-hop in search of food; remnants of this "back to the primitive" communities is what archaeologists are finding: flints, hand-made tools, pottery - and snickering,
(02:32:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "Where are the power stations, lethal crystals, lasers, anti-gravity machines of Poseidia? Why don’t we find these, eh?"
(02:33:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It’s simple: it all submerged along with the land. Only the formula for constructing mega-ton temples, pyramids and complexes could be duplicated. And those anomalous artifacts that are discovered? Usually tossed aside or ignored by conservative scientists as "improbable."
(02:33:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Records there are, with more coming to light every day. And we are finding new ones that corroborate old ones, so that there are phalanxes of proofs, linked tip like little soldiers, ready to trounce any would-be detractors.
(02:33:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Up until 1940 or so, critics of some of the Codex translations including The Troano manuscript, and their translators, were listened to with authority, for it seemed, implausible that advanced civilizations had preceded ours! Weren’t we the first, the crux?
(02:34:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) With access to more esoteric literature, and eyewitness accounts from more travelers to these places of ruins, the average person has a better picture of the probable past.
(02:34:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And cuneiform tablets of the Babylonians, containing religious concepts identical to those reported in the Naacal tablets by Churchward, were discovered in the mid 1970s.
(02:35:26) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Carbon-dating, a system for determining the age of organic material, although painfully inexact, was found by experts to be highly inaccurate (by as much as thousands of years) due to the ratio of stable and radioactive carbon in the atmosphere changing over the last 50,000 years, due to activity in the Earth’s magnetic field, or a jump in cosmic rav flux.
(02:36:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) So, does traditional science leap at the chance to correct arbitrary age-fixing of antiquities now proved wrong? Nah. But suddenly, there’s a "new kid on the block": uranium dating!
(02:36:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) There are now labs in Nottingham and Germany where uranium lead and samarium neodynium techniques can date rocks more than 1,000 million years old - with a margin of error of just 1 %. And just think, it only took 1,000 million years for us to discover the technique!
(02:37:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Language similarities, as wet l as symbols and glyphs duplicated at far-flung points of the ancient world, abound. According to Cayce and Churchward both, as well as Max Muller, there was a time that a single language was used throughout the world (though whether this was spoken or written, or pictographic, is not clear).
(02:37:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Many factors led to the diversification of tongues, one of which may have been earth changes, in which continents were broken up into island chains. Many etymologists have noticed common threads between languages, like Le Plongeon, who saw similarity between Mayan and Greek.
(02:38:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He did not refer to today’s Greek, but to the ancient language of three changes ago. This, explains Churchward, was permeated with Cara-Maya (before alterations were made during the archonship of Euclydes), at the time of ancient Athens (prior to today’s city) and its war with the Atlanteans before the last deluge.
(02:38:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) From Homer’s Iliad 10:
(02:38:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "The Carians were among the earliest inhabitants of Asia Minor and the Greek Archipelago."
(02:39:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Quotes from Herodotus, Max Muller, Thucydides and Strabo each put the Carians in Ionia and the Aegean "until driven out." So even today, there is a tendency left over from the 1930s to doubt the Colonel’s conclusions, even when they are more than adequately backed up with references.
(02:39:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Churchward’s observations on linguistics:
(02:39:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • that ancient Egyptian is related to Sanskrit
(02:39:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • Rongo-Rongo and Easter Island scripts compare to that of Indus Valley (which linguist Charles Berlitz affirms)
(02:40:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • one of the two types of Maori writing is similar to that found in Tunis and Libya
(02:40:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) These seem reasonable, given the routes of early travel touched on, when the Naacals took their teachings (origin: Mu) to Burma, Babylonia and Egypt, founding Chaldean colleges where ancient language/hieroglyphs were taught (ref. Valmiki).
(02:41:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Chaldean is a great percentage Naga, noted Clement of Alexander. And it is generally accepted that Polynesian language contains Sanskrit words.
(02:41:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Although Abbe Brasseur de Bourbottrg, arriving in Mexico in 1845, was the first to undertake translation of the Troano Mss. and its other half, the Codex Tro-Cortesianus, he was no amateur. A French scholar, he studied Mayan from the few natives who still knew it, pored over official records, and learned Nahuatl.
(02:42:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The translations of Bishop Landa were not his whole basis. While his comparison of Egyptian and Maya alphabets was (according to E.E. Cayce, Richards & Schwartzer in Mysteries of Atlantis Revisited) "proven wrong by scientists in 1925,"
(02:42:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) one need only compare the two almost identical sets pictured side by side in Peter Tompkins’ Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids to see his point vindicated!
(02:43:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Since the Troano gave the date of 10,600 BC as last destruction, it is reasonable to assume it was correctly translated, and that those who termed it an astrological chart were misled and misleading.
(02:43:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Le Plongeon devoted 12 years in Yucatan deciphering the glyphs, and was helped by inscriptions on a temple of Uxmal, which described the sinking of Mu. Back in New York in 1885.
(02:44:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He compared notes with his new friend Churchward (whom he met at P.T.’s mother’s Sunday salon), who had much to contribute from his years with the Rishi and studying Naga-Maya, Sanskrit, and Pali. He taught P.T. 50 Mayan words, and in later years he authenticated these translations.
(02:05:26) (Lynn) ready
(02:05:37) (true-eagle) k
(02:05:47) (true-eagle) lead on
(02:06:50) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Lynn, will you start us off with a prayer?
(02:07:07) (Lynn) Please give us eyes that we may see
(02:07:15) (Lynn) ears that we may hear
(02:07:23) (Lynn) And hearts that we may understand
(02:07:25) (Lynn) ty
(02:07:27) (Lynn) Amen
(02:07:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(02:07:33) (true-eagle) nunnwe ^i^
(02:07:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Thank you, Lynn :-)
(02:07:58) (Anonymous) what they said:)
(02:08:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Now, we'll pick up where we left off last week in the lecture given by Joan T. Griffith, regarding her Godfather's - Col. James Churchward's - work and research into Lemuria.
(02:10:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Prophecy figures in flood legends, as well: an ancient Coptic Papyrus indicates, "The Flood will take place when the ’Heart of the Lion’ (Aldebaran) enters the start of the head of Cancer."
(02:11:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (Feel free to stop me at any time for comments, questions, discussion, etc.)
(02:11:51) (true-eagle) k
(02:11:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The vernal point coincided with the center of Leo (occurring 11,600 years ago) from the famous Zodiac of Dendera, copied from far older versions. From tales of a deluge to legends of cataclysm and sunken lands, is a mere step. References to an Atlantean land submergence come from Celtic, Frisian, Roman, Greek, Egyptian, Spanish - and as many concerning Mu.
(02:12:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Hindu traditions affirm that the first Sangham (poetic academy) lasted for 4,400 years; the second one for 3,700 years; the third one (up to the Christian era) lasted 1,850 years. Total, 11,900 years BP for the start of Sanghams, which began "shortly after the flood."
(02:13:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (BP = Before Present)
(02:13:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is logical that most records and traditions refer to the most recent flood or destruction; inscripted histories of extreme antiquity were doubtless destroyed with the next set of earth changes, down the line. Civilization has a way of starting new calendars, new histories, at the dawn of each era following destructions, with welcome forgetfulness.
(02:14:39) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In almost all cultures, incoming rulers have efficiently erased all traces of the former oligarchy.
(02:14:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Fanatics have eliminated the best resources, such as the Library at Alexandria, the Mayan Codices, many Buddhist temple records, so that proof of antiquities must be collated bit by bit from fragmented sources, esoteric writings, heavily guarded sacred texts, and from those who have a proven ability to access Akashic Records.
(02:15:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) But countless ruins remain, the construction of which cannot be copied today with our advanced engineering techniques. And science will ultimately clear many a mystery, as tiny advances are made slowly in the field.
(02:16:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Ice Age, or Glacier Period, in which we believe unquestionably, could be re-examined to a different conclusion if we ask the question that Churchward did in 1927:
(02:16:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • How did enormous sheets of ice travel over mountain ranges?
(02:16:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • What propelled them?
(02:16:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • And more, what sudden climactic event caused such a mass freezing?
(02:16:45) (Lynn) asteroid may have hit planet
(02:16:50) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A more reasonable explanation of what occurred during the Glacial Period, which indeed included a cataclysm, is explained by James P. Dana in The Geological Tale. Boulders and stones, gravel and sand were transported in huge drifts, over the N. latitudes of America and Asia. Over hills it is unstratified drift; in river valleys it is stratified drift.
(02:16:51) (true-eagle) yes
(02:17:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Although geology asserts that the "ice cap" extended around the N. hemisphere, it doesn’t mention E. Asia and Siberia!
(02:17:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) That, explains Churchward, is because there had not been ice accompanying the Asiatic wave of water which did flood over the NE parts of Asia, gathering up the animal life roaming the plains, including mammoths, carrying them up to the Arctic Ocean, and depositing them in hulk at the mouth of the Lena River, with the bones forming Llakoff’s Island.
(02:18:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Had there been ice accompanying the water wave, the bodies and bones of the animals would have been ground to a pulp, as they were in Europe and N. America, and there would have been no Llakoff’s. Moreover, the climate was mild and temperate in the NE parts of Asia, shown by the animal life sustained by abundant vegetation.
(02:18:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is virtually impossible for one half of the northern hemisphere to have an ice cap thousands of feet thick while the adjoining half on the same latitude was enjoying a temperate climate! Remember the buttercups in the mammoth’s stomach?
(02:18:55) (Lynn) yes
(02:19:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It wasn’t ice that killed these beasts, but a reversal of the poles, so that temperate zones became frigid, cold became torrid. Floods occurred, and land subsidence. It was the time of the last destructions of Mu and Atlantis, both mostly in a series of islands by that time, instead of their former continental size.
(02:19:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Instead of enduring an Ice Age, the present Gobi Desert was then a fertile land holding great cities, including the Uighur capital Kara Khota, now buried beneath 40 to 50 feet of sand and gravel.
(02:20:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) At the time of this great flood, says Churchward, the gas-belts had not been formed nor the mountains raised. Why there are scratches left by boulders on the tops of Appalachian mountains is explained by the fact that they were carried along by water, with a little ice, across the plains before the mountains were raised.
(02:20:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is absurd, says Churchward, to imagine a glacier with a 20,000-foot thickness (the amount it would take to form an ice cap around the northern part of the N. Hemisphere down to the 40th Parallel!), for it would require more water than now exists in all the oceans!
(02:21:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It couldn’t cross the (nonexistent) Labrador Mountains (which would have had to be 60,000 ft. high), the 7,000 ft. high Adirondack, sink into the valleys, and surmount the Catskills after losing 17,000 ft. in the Mohawk valleys ... and so on!
(02:21:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A glacier can’t slide, unless it’s putty, so what propelled it? The Ice Age is a handy ploy used by dogmatists in order to avoid explaining a cataclysm and submerged continents.
(02:22:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) That the mountains were raised in recent times is further proven by sites like Tiahuanaco in Peru, built in 14,000 BC at sea level, now at an elevation of 13,500 ft. in the Andes, from the raising of the mountain range.
(02:22:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) At another site, the Peruvian temple of El Fuerte (dated by archaeologist Albert Meijer as Pre-Incan), sandstone forming the mountain (temple) contains many fossilized remains of marine life, indicating it was once below sea level.
(02:23:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Oriental records describe the "raising of the mountains," and there are Biblical references (Psalms) to the time "before there were mountains." Zulu legend tells of the tribes fleeing N. Africa, ruined by mountain raising, settling in the south.
(02:23:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Churchward’s explanation is that the upward thrust is caused by inner workings of the earth, as the gas-belt system was formed and subsequently underwent the first blowing out of its Archaean chambers during the Tertiary Era.
(02:24:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A classic example of land upheaval is the Valley of Mexico, now at 7,000 above sea level, but estimated by Churchward to have existed at sea level until about 12,000 years ago, with its pushed up by exploding subterranean gases.
(02:24:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cayce warned an oilman (in a 1940s Reading) not to drill in the Mexico City area, as its foundations were honeycombed and would collapse if oil were extracted - a scenario reminiscent of the Colonel’s description of how the continent of Mu collapsed, as supporting chambers blown out, with subsidence and submergence.
(02:24:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Certainly there is evidence of tidal waves sweeping across the Valley, carrying sand, gravel, and rocks on more than one occasion in the last 40,000 years.
(02:25:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In the 1910s explorer and mineralologist William Niven stumbled upon a series of pits which reached 30 feet in depth, in an area of 10 x 20 miles in the NW Valley between Texcoco and Haluepantla. Between strata of sand/pebbles, there were layers of ancient ruins, prehistoric cities at 9 to 14-ft. intervals, with the lowest buried city (and third pavement down) beneath a layer of volcanic ash.
(02:26:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Artifacts with Phoenician, Semite, and Chinese features were dug from the bottom layer. By dating these layers, one would presumably arrive at time-frames corresponding with each of the dates of Lemuria/Atlantis destruction (10,900 BC, 28,000 BC, 50,200 BC), and an influx of different cultures in between the layers of flood debris.
(02:26:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The second of Niven’s unusual finds (1921-23) was a vast number of carved stone tablets with pictographs at a 12-foot depth in pits near Amantla, five miles NW of Mexico City. In all, he amassed over 2,600 tablets, which he placed in a private museum in Mexico City before his death in 1937.
(02:27:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) When these were seen by Churchward, he joyously exclaimed they were similar, though smaller, with like inscriptions, to the Naacal tablets in Tibet, copied from records of Mu.
(02:27:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The priestly brotherhood, he said, had been sent out from Mu to teach the sacred writings of religion and science to colonists in southeast Asia, then India.
(02:27:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Though Churchward was unaware, a man named Edgar Cayce was soon to access information which would support these claims (independently of the Colonel’s research as the two men had no contact). Said Cayce:
(02:28:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "The meetings termed as regular conclaves for the understanding and correlating of teaching of those of other lands; as Saneid in India, Zar, RaTa the High Priest of Egypt, and the teacher in the [now] Gobi"
(02:28:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (#1021-3, Oc(. 1935).
(02:28:50) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And
(02:29:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "There had been upheavals also from the land of Mu, or Lemuria. and these had their part in changing of the [Yucatan] land contours [ 10,600 BC], or there was the injection of their tenets in the varied portions of the land; temples then erected by Iltar and his followers from Atlantis, in this land ...
(02:29:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) a combination of those peoples from Mu, Oz [pre-Incan] and Atlantis ... we may find in these ruins that which partakes of the Egyptian, Lemurian and Oz civilizations, and later activities even of the Mosaic activities."
(02:29:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (#5750-1, Nov. 1933)
(02:30:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) To support both Churchward and Cayce, there are traces of far-flung civilizations in the Negroid and Semite-featured statues of Olmecs in Oaxaca and Monte Alban (below images); the likeness of a bearded Tlaloc at Tula, Chinese jade found in Niven’s lowest city; evidence of Phoenician voyages in Azores and near Cape Cod.
(02:30:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Edward H. Thompson reported a race of light-skinned, blue-eyed " Ulnwcas" landed near Tampico, often called Chanes or Canob.
(02:30:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to Cayce, the white race originated in the Carpathians, now Turkey; apparently few stayed the put, with colonies established in Egypt, in Gobi, in Mu, all over the present Europe, Atlantis, and ultimately Mexico and C. America (doesn’t the name "car-path" suggest it?!).
(02:31:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) According to the Mayan books of Chilam Balam and the Popol Vuh the first inhabitants of Yucatan came "from the East landing on Cozumel."
(02:31:54) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Other records mention "from lands to the West" referring to Mu mountain ranges rather than Atlantis. There is no "right" answer; they came from everywhere! Logically, fleeing Atlanteans could not bring their sophisticated technology with them, only the memory of it.
(02:32:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Those who survived the last sinking of Mu were left to island-hop in search of food; remnants of this "back to the primitive" communities is what archaeologists are finding: flints, hand-made tools, pottery - and snickering,
(02:32:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "Where are the power stations, lethal crystals, lasers, anti-gravity machines of Poseidia? Why don’t we find these, eh?"
(02:33:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It’s simple: it all submerged along with the land. Only the formula for constructing mega-ton temples, pyramids and complexes could be duplicated. And those anomalous artifacts that are discovered? Usually tossed aside or ignored by conservative scientists as "improbable."
(02:33:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Records there are, with more coming to light every day. And we are finding new ones that corroborate old ones, so that there are phalanxes of proofs, linked tip like little soldiers, ready to trounce any would-be detractors.
(02:33:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Up until 1940 or so, critics of some of the Codex translations including The Troano manuscript, and their translators, were listened to with authority, for it seemed, implausible that advanced civilizations had preceded ours! Weren’t we the first, the crux?
(02:34:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) With access to more esoteric literature, and eyewitness accounts from more travelers to these places of ruins, the average person has a better picture of the probable past.
(02:34:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And cuneiform tablets of the Babylonians, containing religious concepts identical to those reported in the Naacal tablets by Churchward, were discovered in the mid 1970s.
(02:35:26) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Carbon-dating, a system for determining the age of organic material, although painfully inexact, was found by experts to be highly inaccurate (by as much as thousands of years) due to the ratio of stable and radioactive carbon in the atmosphere changing over the last 50,000 years, due to activity in the Earth’s magnetic field, or a jump in cosmic rav flux.
(02:36:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) So, does traditional science leap at the chance to correct arbitrary age-fixing of antiquities now proved wrong? Nah. But suddenly, there’s a "new kid on the block": uranium dating!
(02:36:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) There are now labs in Nottingham and Germany where uranium lead and samarium neodynium techniques can date rocks more than 1,000 million years old - with a margin of error of just 1 %. And just think, it only took 1,000 million years for us to discover the technique!
(02:37:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Language similarities, as wet l as symbols and glyphs duplicated at far-flung points of the ancient world, abound. According to Cayce and Churchward both, as well as Max Muller, there was a time that a single language was used throughout the world (though whether this was spoken or written, or pictographic, is not clear).
(02:37:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Many factors led to the diversification of tongues, one of which may have been earth changes, in which continents were broken up into island chains. Many etymologists have noticed common threads between languages, like Le Plongeon, who saw similarity between Mayan and Greek.
(02:38:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He did not refer to today’s Greek, but to the ancient language of three changes ago. This, explains Churchward, was permeated with Cara-Maya (before alterations were made during the archonship of Euclydes), at the time of ancient Athens (prior to today’s city) and its war with the Atlanteans before the last deluge.
(02:38:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) From Homer’s Iliad 10:
(02:38:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "The Carians were among the earliest inhabitants of Asia Minor and the Greek Archipelago."
(02:39:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Quotes from Herodotus, Max Muller, Thucydides and Strabo each put the Carians in Ionia and the Aegean "until driven out." So even today, there is a tendency left over from the 1930s to doubt the Colonel’s conclusions, even when they are more than adequately backed up with references.
(02:39:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Churchward’s observations on linguistics:
(02:39:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • that ancient Egyptian is related to Sanskrit
(02:39:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • Rongo-Rongo and Easter Island scripts compare to that of Indus Valley (which linguist Charles Berlitz affirms)
(02:40:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) • one of the two types of Maori writing is similar to that found in Tunis and Libya
(02:40:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) These seem reasonable, given the routes of early travel touched on, when the Naacals took their teachings (origin: Mu) to Burma, Babylonia and Egypt, founding Chaldean colleges where ancient language/hieroglyphs were taught (ref. Valmiki).
(02:41:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Chaldean is a great percentage Naga, noted Clement of Alexander. And it is generally accepted that Polynesian language contains Sanskrit words.
(02:41:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Although Abbe Brasseur de Bourbottrg, arriving in Mexico in 1845, was the first to undertake translation of the Troano Mss. and its other half, the Codex Tro-Cortesianus, he was no amateur. A French scholar, he studied Mayan from the few natives who still knew it, pored over official records, and learned Nahuatl.
(02:42:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The translations of Bishop Landa were not his whole basis. While his comparison of Egyptian and Maya alphabets was (according to E.E. Cayce, Richards & Schwartzer in Mysteries of Atlantis Revisited) "proven wrong by scientists in 1925,"
(02:42:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) one need only compare the two almost identical sets pictured side by side in Peter Tompkins’ Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids to see his point vindicated!
(02:43:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Since the Troano gave the date of 10,600 BC as last destruction, it is reasonable to assume it was correctly translated, and that those who termed it an astrological chart were misled and misleading.
(02:43:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Le Plongeon devoted 12 years in Yucatan deciphering the glyphs, and was helped by inscriptions on a temple of Uxmal, which described the sinking of Mu. Back in New York in 1885.
(02:44:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He compared notes with his new friend Churchward (whom he met at P.T.’s mother’s Sunday salon), who had much to contribute from his years with the Rishi and studying Naga-Maya, Sanskrit, and Pali. He taught P.T. 50 Mayan words, and in later years he authenticated these translations.
