Post by WalksInSpirit on Dec 3, 2005 20:23:22 GMT -5
Thursday Afternoon Chat: 11-17-05
"Onondaga Prophecies"
(02:09:52) (Host-Blu) Are you guys ready for us to start?
(02:10:02) (diane) ready
(02:11:00) (Host-Blu) Any volunteers for prayer?
(02:11:23) (ky-mike) go blu
(02:11:52) (diane) i will Blu
(02:12:03) (ky-mike) o k diane
(02:13:01) (Host-Blu) Heavenly Father/Mother/Creator, We ask for you Blessings on this chat, and for the ARE. We seek to know your will for our lives and to understand ourselves in your creation. We thank you for your gifts and the abundance that is all around us. In Christ's name, Amen
(02:13:01) (diane) Dear God, Be our redeemer, our internal teacher, our divine physician. Thank you for your presence in our lives and in our chat.
(02:13:05) (diane) Amen
(02:13:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(02:13:32) (Host-Blu) Amen
(02:13:43) (ron) amen
(02:13:44) (diane) Doubly blessed. lol
(02:13:49) (Host-Blu) Yeah!
(02:13:50) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Right on!
(02:13:59) (ky-mike) amen
(02:30:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) OK, are yall ready to see what Creator told the Onondagas?
(02:31:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "We have to get back to the spiritual law if we are to survive."
(02:31:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The speaker is a Native American leader in conversation with Bill Moyers on the television special Moyers/Oren Lyons the Faithkeeper. July 1991
(02:32:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) As a "Faithkeeper," Oren Lyons is the person responsible for passing on and interpreting his people's traditions, legends, and prophecies.
(02:32:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) . He is a Chief of the Turtle Clan of the Onondaga, one of the Six Nations in the Iroquois Confederation. Moyers talks with him in his cabin on Onondaga land in upstate New York.
(02:33:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Lyons' words are startling both for their historical perspective and their practical value. Giving a history lesson which will be news to many Americans, he explains how the Founding Fathers of the United States drew upon the American system of government when making their plans for the nation.
(02:34:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) As early as 1744, Benjamin Franklin was present at a meeting where the Six Nation chiefs advised the governors of Delaware, New York, and Pennsylvania to form an indivisible union.
(02:34:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) People around the world today are looking to America for democracy but "America got the ideas of democracy and freedom and peace from the Indians," Lyons explains.
(02:34:51) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Except for one important ingredient, Lyons contends. "They refused to use spirituality as a part of the nation. Our advice to you was a spiritual center," whereas the United States system separates church and state.
(02:35:09) (Raleigh) k
(02:35:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "We said, 'Problem coming.' "According to Lyons, the problems which can be traced to a lack of a spiritual law, have kept coming through the centuries.
(02:35:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Chief is a prominent member of the international environmental movement, and he speaks eloquently and forcefully about the degradation of the earth."The law says if you poison your water, you'll die.
(02:35:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) . The law says that if you poison the air, you'll suffer. The law says if you degrade where you live, you'll suffer. The law says all of this, and if you don't learn that, you can only suffer."
(02:36:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The prophecies of the Onondaga Nation underscore this point.
(02:36:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In 1799 the legendary figure Ganyahdiyok or "Handsome Lake" was given a vision of the future and saw environmental disasters including air and water pollution.
(02:37:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Chief explains what this legend means to him. "It's certain that this will happen, but it's up to each generation to see that it doesn't happen in your generation."
(02:38:33) (diane) our area has the largest polluted lake in the country. Onondaga Lake
(02:38:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Repeatedly, Lyons emphasizes the importance of community to the Onondaga, from their games to their ceremonies.On the practical level, he talks about living day by day, the importance of not taking ourselves too seriously, and accountability to the next generation.
(02:39:01) (Host-Blu) Ironic isn't it diane
(02:39:08) (diane) Sad!
(02:39:16) (Raleigh) i thought that as well blu
(02:39:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) ."When you sit in council for the welfare of the people," he says, "you council for the welfare of the seventh generation to come so that when their time comes here they may enjoy the same thing that you're enjoying now.
(02:39:54) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I'm sitting here as the seventh generation because seven generations ago, those people were looking out for me."
(02:40:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Lyons' discussion of time is particularly interesting. "People don't operate in the world time or, say, the time of the mountain. They operate in the time of the human being. And that's probably not a good idea because the time of the human being is rather short."
(02:40:26) (diane) hmmm. the number 7 again
(02:40:42) (Host-Blu) good point Diane
(02:40:50) (Raleigh) i want to know what time of the mtn means
(02:40:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, 7 is a sacred number.
(02:41:02) (Raleigh) tell me later ok w? /ty
(02:41:20) (Host-Blu) Time of the mountain would just mean a very long time Ral
(02:41:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Like "spiritual time", is the way I understand it, Ral.
(02:41:33) (Raleigh) k
(02:41:42) (Host-Blu) The time it would take for a mountain to become level
(02:41:50) (Raleigh) oh gee ok
(02:41:54) (Raleigh) wow
(02:42:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Without a reference point in the world's time, as we've seen in American history, "You can get yourself and your people into a lot of trouble."
(02:42:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This long-term perspective is the essence of a spirituality which must be recaptured for our sake and for the generations to come.
(02:42:42) (Raleigh) oh ok i see why now ok
(02:42:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Leon Shenandoah
(02:42:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It's prophesied in our Instructions that the end of the world will be near when the trees start dying from the tops down. That's what the maples are doing today.
(02:43:02) (Raleigh) think future as in 1000z ok
(02:43:08) (Raleigh) yrs
(02:43:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) . Our Instructions say the time will come when there will be no corn, when nothing will grow in the garden, when water will be filthy and unfit to drink.
(02:43:41) (Raleigh) maples are?
(02:43:43) (Raleigh) k
(02:43:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Maple trees
(02:44:09) (Raleigh) yes ok
(02:44:27) (Raleigh) i ask that they are diing?
(02:44:54) (Raleigh) sorry w
(02:44:58) (Raleigh) pls continue ok
(02:44:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, they are dying from the tops down.
(02:45:02) (Host-Blu) He said they were Ral, I haven't seen them dying around here.
(02:45:05) (Raleigh) k ty
(02:45:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Then a great monster will rise up from the water and destroy mankind. One of the names of that monster is "the sickness that eats you up inside" like diabetes or cancer or AIDS. Maybe AIDS is the monster. It's coming. It's already here.
(02:45:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Our prophet Handsome Lake told of it in the 1700s. He saw Four Beings, like four angels, coming from the Four Directions. They told him what would happen, how there would be diseases we'd never heard of before.
(02:46:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) You will see many tears in this country. Then a great wind will come, a wind that will make a hurricane seem like a whisper. It will cleanse the earth and return it to its original state. That will be the punishment for what we've done to the Creation.
(02:46:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Address to the General Assembly of the United Nations - October 25, 1985 by Leon Shenandoah, Tadodaho, Haudenosaunee
(02:46:55) (Raleigh) k
(02:47:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Listen to the words of the Creator given to the first United Nations -- the Haudenosaunee -- over 1,000 years ago.
(02:47:09) (Raleigh) what is the great wind?
(02:47:31) (Host-Blu) Earth tilt Ral?
(02:47:32) (ron) upheaval perhaps
(02:47:40) (Raleigh) my guess too
(02:48:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In their prophecies, they see a great cleansing wind blowing across Earth Mother, cleansing her.
(02:48:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Chiefs of the Haudenosaunee shall be mentors of the people for all time. The thickness of their skins shall be seven spans, which is to say that they shall be proof against anger, offensive action, and criticism.
(02:48:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Their hearts shall be full of peace and good will, and their minds full of a yearning for the welfare of the people.
(02:48:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) With endless patience, they shall carry out their duty. Their firmness shall be tempered with a tenderness for their people. Neither anger nor fury shall find lodging in their minds, and all their words and actions shall be marked by calm deliberation.
(02:49:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In every nation there are wise and good people. These should be appointed Chiefs. They should be the advisors of their people and work for the good of all the people., and their power comes from the "Great Peace."
(02:49:54) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A chief must never forget the Creator of mankind, never forget to ask the Creator for help. The Creator will guide our thoughts and strengthen us as we work to be faithful to our sacred trust and restore harmony among all peoples, all living creatures, and Mother Earth.
(02:50:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We were instructed to carry a love for one another and to show a great respect for all the beings of this earth.
(02:50:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In our ways spiritual consciousness is the highest form of politics. When people cease to respect and express gratitude for these many things, then all life will be destroyed, and human life on this planet will come to an end.
(02:50:30) (diane) amen to that
(02:51:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) These are our times and responsibilities. Every human being has a sacred duty to protect the welfare of our Mother Earth, from whom all life comes.
(02:51:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In order to do this we must recognize the enemy -- the one within us. We must begin with ourselves.
(02:51:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We must live in harmony with the Natural World and recognize that excessive exploitation can only lead to our own destruction.
(02:52:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We cannot trade the welfare of our future generations for profit now.
(02:52:23) (Raleigh) we do though
(02:52:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We must abide by the Natural Law or be victims of its ultimate reality.
(02:52:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, Ral.
(02:52:40) (Raleigh) but
(02:52:56) (Raleigh) we will be reborn again to that we made as well
(02:52:57) (Raleigh) yup
(02:53:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We must stand together, the four sacred colors of humans, as the one family we are, in the interest of peace.
(02:53:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We must abolish nuclear and conventional weapons of war. When warriors are leaders, then you will have war. We must raise leaders of peace.
(02:53:47) (Raleigh) will are building things this life for our next i feel
(02:53:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We must unite the religions of the world as the spiritual force strong enough to prevail in peace.
(02:54:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is no longer good enough to cry, "Peace."
(02:54:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We must act peace, live peace, and march in peace in alliance with the people of the world.
(02:54:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We are the spiritual energy that is thousands times stronger than nuclear energy.
(02:54:53) (Raleigh) most dont know this
(02:54:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Our energy in the combined will of all people with the spirit of the Natural World, to be of one body, one heart and one mind for peace.
(02:55:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We propose, as a resolution for peace, that October 24th be designated as a Day of Peace, and a world cease-fire take place in honor of our children and the Seventh Generation to come.
(02:56:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Ok, Open Chat!
(02:56:23) (ky-mike) ty walks
(02:56:27) (Raleigh) good w / ty
(02:56:29) (Host-Blu) peace must begin within self before there may be the activity or the application of self in such a manner as to bring peace in thy own household, in thine own heart, in thine own vicinity, in thine own state or nation.
(02:56:38) (Raleigh) hmmmm
(02:56:45) (Raleigh) ec said this
(02:56:54) (ky-mike) amen to that
(02:57:00) (Raleigh) in a recent thought for the day he did
(02:57:12) (diane) ty WIS
(02:57:17) (Host-Blu) Edgar Cayce Reading 3976-28
(02:57:22) (Raleigh) yup
(02:57:30) (ron) thanks WIS
(02:57:36) (Raleigh) a recent 1
(02:57:59) (ron) doesn't make any difference...it is truth
(02:58:01) (diane) Peace be with you My peace I give you....JC
(02:58:31) (Raleigh) prince of peace yup
(02:59:04) (diane) yup
(02:59:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, that peace that passes all understanding.:-)
(02:59:50) (Raleigh) not is not understood by the worldy wize
(03:00:09) (diane) does that mean we walk away from tyranny, though?
(03:00:11) (Raleigh) that is not---*
(03:00:41) (ron) or, perhaps leaves us
(03:00:46) (Raleigh) hmmm
(03:00:54) (Raleigh) i like the ---
(03:00:58) (ky-mike) peace in r time ... wish i could beleve it
(03:01:27) (Raleigh) the understanding that cofounds the worly / they cant see or sumthin
(03:01:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Diane, I don't think it's our fight every time.
(03:01:33) (diane) Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me
(03:01:39) (ron) perhaps, believing gets you half there
(03:02:00) (Raleigh) they are blind like / to what is obvious
(03:02:14) (Host-Blu) ". . peace must begin within self before " At first this seems like a simple statement
(03:02:33) (Host-Blu) then you read the rest of the sentence !
(03:02:50) (diane) but hardly simple Blu
(03:02:55) (Host-Blu) First of all it says "must begin". I think it is important to understand that finding peace within yourself is a life long journey.
(03:03:04) (ron) not that easy to begin with self
(03:03:19) (Host-Blu) How do you find peace with in yourself? Each of us must answer that for ourselves. You begin by knowing yourself, and knowing God.
(03:03:59) (db) that makes sence Blu
(03:04:12) (diane) Just a thought, but does everyone's definition of peace agree with everyone elses?
(03:04:27) (Host-Blu) maybe, maybe not!
(03:04:40) (Raleigh) peace is---
(03:04:48) (db) it makes sence to me now,but never did before
(03:04:50) (Raleigh) silence
(03:04:50) (ky-mike) well i hav it , how do we give it to .... others
(03:04:50) (Raleigh) :)
(03:05:02) (Host-Blu) You do not
(03:05:07) (ron) by the Fruits of the Spirit
(03:05:08) (ky-mike) no
(03:05:26) (Raleigh) im not sure
(03:05:32) (Raleigh) pls define peace
(03:05:33) (Host-Blu) there may be the activity or the application of self in such a manner as to bring peace in thy own household, in thine own heart, in thine own vicinity, in thine own state or nation.
(03:05:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I think it also starts with love.
(03:06:09) (Raleigh) love is good / above all -- charity /:)
(03:06:20) (ron) inner harmony
(03:06:29) (Host-Blu) We have the way laid out for us by example
(03:06:44) (Host-Blu) How does Christ Rule?
(03:06:45) (Raleigh) his partern yes blu
(03:06:51) (Raleigh) patern
(03:07:00) (Host-Blu) Right Ral
(03:07:08) (Host-Blu) Does he force?
(03:07:13) (Host-Blu) Does he lie?
(03:07:21) (Raleigh) rod
(03:07:22) (Host-Blu) does the ends justify the means?
(03:07:28) (Raleigh) he rules with a rod
(03:07:30) (Host-Blu) no
(03:07:35) (ron) patience might be considered to be the main ingredient
(03:07:42) (Host-Blu) amen Ron
(03:07:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, Ron!
(03:07:53) (Host-Blu) cooperation
(03:08:02) (Raleigh) mountain time patience /:)
(03:08:12) (Raleigh) so---
(03:08:20) (Raleigh) longsuffering then/:)
(03:08:27) (Host-Blu) Right Ral
(03:08:30) (ky-mike) i heard they wana turn over the internet to the U . N...... woooo
(03:08:41) (diane) Peace: we're warm in the snow, cool in the tropics, comfortable in the face of adversity, strong in the face of oppression. And etc. etc. etc !
(03:09:03) (Raleigh) i thought he has a rod
(03:09:15) (Raleigh) when he returnz he will have a rod
(03:09:27) (Raleigh) of obediance
(03:09:37) (JohnB) no suffering it s wrong thinking from the church , why can t you adwance with suffering, positive trauma or happyness is much better Ral
(03:09:50) (Raleigh) does he not?
(03:09:55) (Raleigh) answer pls
(03:10:07) (Raleigh) scripture states this blu
(03:10:41) (Host-Blu) Yes Ral
(03:10:47) (Raleigh) rules with peace?
(03:10:57) (Host-Blu) What do you think Ral?
(03:11:18) (Raleigh) yes ok
(03:11:20) (Raleigh) peace
(03:11:48) (diane) Good point JB. Joyfulness, to rejoice while facing sorrow and thus spreading the good will
(03:11:56) (Raleigh) all has not been revealed to us blu
(03:12:09) (Raleigh) so its confusing at times for me
(03:12:28) (Host-Blu) You are not alone in that Ral!
(03:12:32) (Raleigh) i cant wait till the big screen plays and we know all things
(03:12:54) (Raleigh) but i ll have to/:)
(03:13:10) (Raleigh) :)
(03:13:21) (Host-Blu) I will bet that you are one of the stars that will shine the brightest Ral
(03:13:40) (Raleigh) i plan to go past the starz
(03:13:52) (JohnB) how would you feel if you have the need to know for today !? Ral
(03:13:54) (Raleigh) :)
(03:14:24) (Raleigh) rephrase the question
(03:15:22) (Raleigh) impatient?
(03:15:30) (JohnB) do you what you want in life?
(03:15:46) (Host-Blu) Do you know?
(03:15:50) (Raleigh) i do
(03:15:50) (JohnB) do you know
(03:15:55) (Raleigh) yes
(03:16:10) (Raleigh) happiness / love / friends
(03:16:11) (JohnB) have you writen it down ?
(03:16:23) (Raleigh) ideals yes i have
(03:16:36) (Raleigh) i get what i ask for too
(03:16:37) (JohnB) how do you get it ? beside alot of money
(03:17:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Money isn't everything.
(03:18:28) (diane) It's important, if we're to be known by our fruits, to bear our troubles with joy and to let the Lord share our burdens, and not to lay them on our fellow man
(02:10:02) (diane) ready
(02:11:00) (Host-Blu) Any volunteers for prayer?
(02:11:23) (ky-mike) go blu
(02:11:52) (diane) i will Blu
(02:12:03) (ky-mike) o k diane
(02:13:01) (Host-Blu) Heavenly Father/Mother/Creator, We ask for you Blessings on this chat, and for the ARE. We seek to know your will for our lives and to understand ourselves in your creation. We thank you for your gifts and the abundance that is all around us. In Christ's name, Amen
(02:13:01) (diane) Dear God, Be our redeemer, our internal teacher, our divine physician. Thank you for your presence in our lives and in our chat.
(02:13:05) (diane) Amen
(02:13:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(02:13:32) (Host-Blu) Amen
(02:13:43) (ron) amen
(02:13:44) (diane) Doubly blessed. lol
(02:13:49) (Host-Blu) Yeah!
(02:13:50) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Right on!
(02:13:59) (ky-mike) amen
(02:30:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) OK, are yall ready to see what Creator told the Onondagas?
(02:31:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "We have to get back to the spiritual law if we are to survive."
(02:31:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The speaker is a Native American leader in conversation with Bill Moyers on the television special Moyers/Oren Lyons the Faithkeeper. July 1991
(02:32:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) As a "Faithkeeper," Oren Lyons is the person responsible for passing on and interpreting his people's traditions, legends, and prophecies.
(02:32:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) . He is a Chief of the Turtle Clan of the Onondaga, one of the Six Nations in the Iroquois Confederation. Moyers talks with him in his cabin on Onondaga land in upstate New York.
(02:33:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Lyons' words are startling both for their historical perspective and their practical value. Giving a history lesson which will be news to many Americans, he explains how the Founding Fathers of the United States drew upon the American system of government when making their plans for the nation.
(02:34:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) As early as 1744, Benjamin Franklin was present at a meeting where the Six Nation chiefs advised the governors of Delaware, New York, and Pennsylvania to form an indivisible union.
(02:34:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) People around the world today are looking to America for democracy but "America got the ideas of democracy and freedom and peace from the Indians," Lyons explains.
(02:34:51) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Except for one important ingredient, Lyons contends. "They refused to use spirituality as a part of the nation. Our advice to you was a spiritual center," whereas the United States system separates church and state.
(02:35:09) (Raleigh) k
(02:35:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) "We said, 'Problem coming.' "According to Lyons, the problems which can be traced to a lack of a spiritual law, have kept coming through the centuries.
(02:35:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Chief is a prominent member of the international environmental movement, and he speaks eloquently and forcefully about the degradation of the earth."The law says if you poison your water, you'll die.
(02:35:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) . The law says that if you poison the air, you'll suffer. The law says if you degrade where you live, you'll suffer. The law says all of this, and if you don't learn that, you can only suffer."
(02:36:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The prophecies of the Onondaga Nation underscore this point.
(02:36:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In 1799 the legendary figure Ganyahdiyok or "Handsome Lake" was given a vision of the future and saw environmental disasters including air and water pollution.
(02:37:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Chief explains what this legend means to him. "It's certain that this will happen, but it's up to each generation to see that it doesn't happen in your generation."
(02:38:33) (diane) our area has the largest polluted lake in the country. Onondaga Lake
(02:38:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Repeatedly, Lyons emphasizes the importance of community to the Onondaga, from their games to their ceremonies.On the practical level, he talks about living day by day, the importance of not taking ourselves too seriously, and accountability to the next generation.
(02:39:01) (Host-Blu) Ironic isn't it diane
(02:39:08) (diane) Sad!
(02:39:16) (Raleigh) i thought that as well blu
(02:39:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) ."When you sit in council for the welfare of the people," he says, "you council for the welfare of the seventh generation to come so that when their time comes here they may enjoy the same thing that you're enjoying now.
(02:39:54) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I'm sitting here as the seventh generation because seven generations ago, those people were looking out for me."
(02:40:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Lyons' discussion of time is particularly interesting. "People don't operate in the world time or, say, the time of the mountain. They operate in the time of the human being. And that's probably not a good idea because the time of the human being is rather short."
(02:40:26) (diane) hmmm. the number 7 again
(02:40:42) (Host-Blu) good point Diane
(02:40:50) (Raleigh) i want to know what time of the mtn means
(02:40:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, 7 is a sacred number.
(02:41:02) (Raleigh) tell me later ok w? /ty
(02:41:20) (Host-Blu) Time of the mountain would just mean a very long time Ral
(02:41:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Like "spiritual time", is the way I understand it, Ral.
(02:41:33) (Raleigh) k
(02:41:42) (Host-Blu) The time it would take for a mountain to become level
(02:41:50) (Raleigh) oh gee ok
(02:41:54) (Raleigh) wow
(02:42:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Without a reference point in the world's time, as we've seen in American history, "You can get yourself and your people into a lot of trouble."
(02:42:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This long-term perspective is the essence of a spirituality which must be recaptured for our sake and for the generations to come.
(02:42:42) (Raleigh) oh ok i see why now ok
(02:42:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Leon Shenandoah
(02:42:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It's prophesied in our Instructions that the end of the world will be near when the trees start dying from the tops down. That's what the maples are doing today.
(02:43:02) (Raleigh) think future as in 1000z ok
(02:43:08) (Raleigh) yrs
(02:43:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) . Our Instructions say the time will come when there will be no corn, when nothing will grow in the garden, when water will be filthy and unfit to drink.
(02:43:41) (Raleigh) maples are?
(02:43:43) (Raleigh) k
(02:43:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Maple trees
(02:44:09) (Raleigh) yes ok
(02:44:27) (Raleigh) i ask that they are diing?
(02:44:54) (Raleigh) sorry w
(02:44:58) (Raleigh) pls continue ok
(02:44:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, they are dying from the tops down.
(02:45:02) (Host-Blu) He said they were Ral, I haven't seen them dying around here.
(02:45:05) (Raleigh) k ty
(02:45:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Then a great monster will rise up from the water and destroy mankind. One of the names of that monster is "the sickness that eats you up inside" like diabetes or cancer or AIDS. Maybe AIDS is the monster. It's coming. It's already here.
(02:45:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Our prophet Handsome Lake told of it in the 1700s. He saw Four Beings, like four angels, coming from the Four Directions. They told him what would happen, how there would be diseases we'd never heard of before.
(02:46:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) You will see many tears in this country. Then a great wind will come, a wind that will make a hurricane seem like a whisper. It will cleanse the earth and return it to its original state. That will be the punishment for what we've done to the Creation.
(02:46:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Address to the General Assembly of the United Nations - October 25, 1985 by Leon Shenandoah, Tadodaho, Haudenosaunee
(02:46:55) (Raleigh) k
(02:47:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Listen to the words of the Creator given to the first United Nations -- the Haudenosaunee -- over 1,000 years ago.
(02:47:09) (Raleigh) what is the great wind?
(02:47:31) (Host-Blu) Earth tilt Ral?
(02:47:32) (ron) upheaval perhaps
(02:47:40) (Raleigh) my guess too
(02:48:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In their prophecies, they see a great cleansing wind blowing across Earth Mother, cleansing her.
(02:48:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Chiefs of the Haudenosaunee shall be mentors of the people for all time. The thickness of their skins shall be seven spans, which is to say that they shall be proof against anger, offensive action, and criticism.
(02:48:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Their hearts shall be full of peace and good will, and their minds full of a yearning for the welfare of the people.
(02:48:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) With endless patience, they shall carry out their duty. Their firmness shall be tempered with a tenderness for their people. Neither anger nor fury shall find lodging in their minds, and all their words and actions shall be marked by calm deliberation.
(02:49:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In every nation there are wise and good people. These should be appointed Chiefs. They should be the advisors of their people and work for the good of all the people., and their power comes from the "Great Peace."
(02:49:54) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A chief must never forget the Creator of mankind, never forget to ask the Creator for help. The Creator will guide our thoughts and strengthen us as we work to be faithful to our sacred trust and restore harmony among all peoples, all living creatures, and Mother Earth.
(02:50:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We were instructed to carry a love for one another and to show a great respect for all the beings of this earth.
(02:50:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In our ways spiritual consciousness is the highest form of politics. When people cease to respect and express gratitude for these many things, then all life will be destroyed, and human life on this planet will come to an end.
(02:50:30) (diane) amen to that
(02:51:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) These are our times and responsibilities. Every human being has a sacred duty to protect the welfare of our Mother Earth, from whom all life comes.
(02:51:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In order to do this we must recognize the enemy -- the one within us. We must begin with ourselves.
(02:51:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We must live in harmony with the Natural World and recognize that excessive exploitation can only lead to our own destruction.
(02:52:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We cannot trade the welfare of our future generations for profit now.
(02:52:23) (Raleigh) we do though
(02:52:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We must abide by the Natural Law or be victims of its ultimate reality.
(02:52:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, Ral.
(02:52:40) (Raleigh) but
(02:52:56) (Raleigh) we will be reborn again to that we made as well
(02:52:57) (Raleigh) yup
(02:53:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We must stand together, the four sacred colors of humans, as the one family we are, in the interest of peace.
(02:53:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We must abolish nuclear and conventional weapons of war. When warriors are leaders, then you will have war. We must raise leaders of peace.
(02:53:47) (Raleigh) will are building things this life for our next i feel
(02:53:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We must unite the religions of the world as the spiritual force strong enough to prevail in peace.
(02:54:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is no longer good enough to cry, "Peace."
(02:54:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We must act peace, live peace, and march in peace in alliance with the people of the world.
(02:54:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We are the spiritual energy that is thousands times stronger than nuclear energy.
(02:54:53) (Raleigh) most dont know this
(02:54:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Our energy in the combined will of all people with the spirit of the Natural World, to be of one body, one heart and one mind for peace.
(02:55:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We propose, as a resolution for peace, that October 24th be designated as a Day of Peace, and a world cease-fire take place in honor of our children and the Seventh Generation to come.
(02:56:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Ok, Open Chat!
(02:56:23) (ky-mike) ty walks
(02:56:27) (Raleigh) good w / ty
(02:56:29) (Host-Blu) peace must begin within self before there may be the activity or the application of self in such a manner as to bring peace in thy own household, in thine own heart, in thine own vicinity, in thine own state or nation.
(02:56:38) (Raleigh) hmmmm
(02:56:45) (Raleigh) ec said this
(02:56:54) (ky-mike) amen to that
(02:57:00) (Raleigh) in a recent thought for the day he did
(02:57:12) (diane) ty WIS
(02:57:17) (Host-Blu) Edgar Cayce Reading 3976-28
(02:57:22) (Raleigh) yup
(02:57:30) (ron) thanks WIS
(02:57:36) (Raleigh) a recent 1
(02:57:59) (ron) doesn't make any difference...it is truth
(02:58:01) (diane) Peace be with you My peace I give you....JC
(02:58:31) (Raleigh) prince of peace yup
(02:59:04) (diane) yup
(02:59:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, that peace that passes all understanding.:-)
(02:59:50) (Raleigh) not is not understood by the worldy wize
(03:00:09) (diane) does that mean we walk away from tyranny, though?
(03:00:11) (Raleigh) that is not---*
(03:00:41) (ron) or, perhaps leaves us
(03:00:46) (Raleigh) hmmm
(03:00:54) (Raleigh) i like the ---
(03:00:58) (ky-mike) peace in r time ... wish i could beleve it
(03:01:27) (Raleigh) the understanding that cofounds the worly / they cant see or sumthin
(03:01:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Diane, I don't think it's our fight every time.
(03:01:33) (diane) Let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me
(03:01:39) (ron) perhaps, believing gets you half there
(03:02:00) (Raleigh) they are blind like / to what is obvious
(03:02:14) (Host-Blu) ". . peace must begin within self before " At first this seems like a simple statement
(03:02:33) (Host-Blu) then you read the rest of the sentence !
(03:02:50) (diane) but hardly simple Blu
(03:02:55) (Host-Blu) First of all it says "must begin". I think it is important to understand that finding peace within yourself is a life long journey.
(03:03:04) (ron) not that easy to begin with self
(03:03:19) (Host-Blu) How do you find peace with in yourself? Each of us must answer that for ourselves. You begin by knowing yourself, and knowing God.
(03:03:59) (db) that makes sence Blu
(03:04:12) (diane) Just a thought, but does everyone's definition of peace agree with everyone elses?
(03:04:27) (Host-Blu) maybe, maybe not!
(03:04:40) (Raleigh) peace is---
(03:04:48) (db) it makes sence to me now,but never did before
(03:04:50) (Raleigh) silence
(03:04:50) (ky-mike) well i hav it , how do we give it to .... others
(03:04:50) (Raleigh) :)
(03:05:02) (Host-Blu) You do not
(03:05:07) (ron) by the Fruits of the Spirit
(03:05:08) (ky-mike) no
(03:05:26) (Raleigh) im not sure
(03:05:32) (Raleigh) pls define peace
(03:05:33) (Host-Blu) there may be the activity or the application of self in such a manner as to bring peace in thy own household, in thine own heart, in thine own vicinity, in thine own state or nation.
(03:05:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I think it also starts with love.
(03:06:09) (Raleigh) love is good / above all -- charity /:)
(03:06:20) (ron) inner harmony
(03:06:29) (Host-Blu) We have the way laid out for us by example
(03:06:44) (Host-Blu) How does Christ Rule?
(03:06:45) (Raleigh) his partern yes blu
(03:06:51) (Raleigh) patern
(03:07:00) (Host-Blu) Right Ral
(03:07:08) (Host-Blu) Does he force?
(03:07:13) (Host-Blu) Does he lie?
(03:07:21) (Raleigh) rod
(03:07:22) (Host-Blu) does the ends justify the means?
(03:07:28) (Raleigh) he rules with a rod
(03:07:30) (Host-Blu) no
(03:07:35) (ron) patience might be considered to be the main ingredient
(03:07:42) (Host-Blu) amen Ron
(03:07:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, Ron!
(03:07:53) (Host-Blu) cooperation
(03:08:02) (Raleigh) mountain time patience /:)
(03:08:12) (Raleigh) so---
(03:08:20) (Raleigh) longsuffering then/:)
(03:08:27) (Host-Blu) Right Ral
(03:08:30) (ky-mike) i heard they wana turn over the internet to the U . N...... woooo
(03:08:41) (diane) Peace: we're warm in the snow, cool in the tropics, comfortable in the face of adversity, strong in the face of oppression. And etc. etc. etc !
(03:09:03) (Raleigh) i thought he has a rod
(03:09:15) (Raleigh) when he returnz he will have a rod
(03:09:27) (Raleigh) of obediance
(03:09:37) (JohnB) no suffering it s wrong thinking from the church , why can t you adwance with suffering, positive trauma or happyness is much better Ral
(03:09:50) (Raleigh) does he not?
(03:09:55) (Raleigh) answer pls
(03:10:07) (Raleigh) scripture states this blu
(03:10:41) (Host-Blu) Yes Ral
(03:10:47) (Raleigh) rules with peace?
(03:10:57) (Host-Blu) What do you think Ral?
(03:11:18) (Raleigh) yes ok
(03:11:20) (Raleigh) peace
(03:11:48) (diane) Good point JB. Joyfulness, to rejoice while facing sorrow and thus spreading the good will
(03:11:56) (Raleigh) all has not been revealed to us blu
(03:12:09) (Raleigh) so its confusing at times for me
(03:12:28) (Host-Blu) You are not alone in that Ral!
(03:12:32) (Raleigh) i cant wait till the big screen plays and we know all things
(03:12:54) (Raleigh) but i ll have to/:)
(03:13:10) (Raleigh) :)
(03:13:21) (Host-Blu) I will bet that you are one of the stars that will shine the brightest Ral
(03:13:40) (Raleigh) i plan to go past the starz
(03:13:52) (JohnB) how would you feel if you have the need to know for today !? Ral
(03:13:54) (Raleigh) :)
(03:14:24) (Raleigh) rephrase the question
(03:15:22) (Raleigh) impatient?
(03:15:30) (JohnB) do you what you want in life?
(03:15:46) (Host-Blu) Do you know?
(03:15:50) (Raleigh) i do
(03:15:50) (JohnB) do you know
(03:15:55) (Raleigh) yes
(03:16:10) (Raleigh) happiness / love / friends
(03:16:11) (JohnB) have you writen it down ?
(03:16:23) (Raleigh) ideals yes i have
(03:16:36) (Raleigh) i get what i ask for too
(03:16:37) (JohnB) how do you get it ? beside alot of money
(03:17:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Money isn't everything.
(03:18:28) (diane) It's important, if we're to be known by our fruits, to bear our troubles with joy and to let the Lord share our burdens, and not to lay them on our fellow man
