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Post by WalksInSpirit on Sept 17, 2005 5:10:00 GMT -5
Thursday Afternoon Chat: 09-08-05, Part One "Hurricane Katrina" (01:12:29) (Blu-Host) OK Guys, I am making a rule here, during hosted chat no whispers to the HOST!
(01:12:35) (Blu-Host) he is working!
(01:13:17) (vjh) Oh, I wanted to ask him about my daughter's dream.
(01:13:30) (vjh) She dreamed about water coming up.
(01:13:33) (Blu-Host) we can talk about it in open VJH
(01:14:06) (Blu-Host) ok
(01:14:28) (Blu-Host) VJ how did her dream feel to her?
(01:14:57) (vjh) Scary.
(01:15:39) (Blu-Host) if it is not literal VJ, then water is emotions
(01:15:42) (vjh) See, we know this place isn't safe for when earth changes start. And now all this stuff has come up about hurricanes.
(01:16:05) (vjh) No, too many people have had dreams about a tidal wave coming here and one day it's supposed to happen.
(01:16:58) (ron) perhaps, an emotional upheaval will be taking place on a U.S collective level
(01:17:20) (vjh) Psychics have told me this place is going to go.
(01:18:00) (vjh) And now we're all thinking when Sylvia Brown said "North Carolina is going to get hit" she got it mixed up with New Orleans. She probably saw it being two words and an "N" in the first word.
(01:18:01) (ron) such as seen now
(01:18:37) (vjh) Then after Danielle has a dream like that she seems more willing to move with me.
(01:18:38) (ral) there will will many earth changes way before nc will be affected i recall v /
(01:18:49) (ral) pls dont be fearful too
(01:19:03) (vjh) Ross Peterson said something about chaos coming first in the Carolinas and Georgia.
(01:19:23) (ral) ec did not mention nc
(01:19:56) (vjh) I know. But a psychic who gave readings like EC said he saw chaos in the Carolinas and Georgia first.
(01:20:14) (ral) ill stick by ec'
(01:20:26) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I see it starting in Florida. I was shown a map to that effect once in a vision.
(01:20:43) (ral) hmm
(01:21:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) There was nothing but ocean south of Tampa. and Tampa was the new tip of Florida.
(01:21:06) (ral) its south / then geporgia / calf then ny i recall
(01:21:51) (vjh) It was just that this morning I had a premonition that I can get to Va Beach soon and I wonder how it's going to happen. I don't want to leave Danielle here if it's going to be unsafe and she had a dream not long ago about high water coming up.
(01:21:54) (ral) ec did mention deep[ south btw / i wonder if this storm is what he meant
(01:22:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I asked Spirit later why was I only shown Florida on this map? And I was told that this is where it would start, not in California, like others believe.
(01:22:48) (ral) he meantioned louisianna i recall
(01:23:07) (Tug) ty WIS
(01:23:17) (vjh) Like I said I think Sylvia Brown got New Orleans mixed up with North Carolina.
(01:23:29) (vjh) about being hit so bad this year.
(01:23:33) (ron) i remember somebody saying this on an afternoon chat...What do we do, bame Bush for the hurricane?...i thought, are the politations in the U.S the blame?...i wonder
(01:23:41) (ron) blame
(01:24:14) (Tug) FEMA is the worst
(01:24:21) (vjh) Oh, what are you referring to Ron, people blaming Bush for the hurricane.
(01:24:50) (Blu-Host) we are all to blame for the earth changes, climate change etc
(01:24:59) (ron) that is, Bush and the polititians were the creators of the hurricane...?...something like a karmic possibility
(01:25:00) (ral) i thinkyou are fgine there vj / you are so close to the beach / and these changes will not be that sudden and say drastic i feel / the axis shift with the weather change will be / but that is way after the usa breaks i feel / /
(01:25:17) (Blu-Host) Bush is responsible for the inadequate response from the federal gov
(01:25:54) (ron) i'm aware of that
(01:25:54) (diane) Blanco didn't want the feds in
(01:25:59) (Blu-Host) To this day he is still in denial about the ineffective role of his government
(01:25:59) (diane) is what I heard
(01:26:08) (vjh) I've heard stories that when relief trucks got to the Louisiana state line they were turned away.
(01:26:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) FEMA is headed by a man whose previous job was an Arabian horse judge, and he was asked to step down from that! So, why is everyone surprised when this whole thing has turned into a pile of horse apples?
(01:26:14) (ral) i feel that / hmmm
(01:26:29) (diane) LOL, WIS
(01:26:47) (vjh) I agree with WIS I think.
(01:26:49) (ron) this person got bent out of shape at that possibility...since they were elected...it would be a collective responsibility
(01:26:58) (Blu-Host) The south in general , and every state has a law the federal troops can not enter a state with out a request being made
(01:27:03) (ral) see the commander of the navy on the tommorw shows comments / three days ago / i side with him /
(01:27:40) (diane) La. mayor & gov used monies for casino's &
(01:27:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) See the dead laying against the walls of the Superdome that died due to lack of food & water? I side with them.
(01:28:04) (ral) it is hard to point to anyv i feel as responsible for this unexpected natual disaster / :
(01:28:09) (ral) yes i know
(01:28:10) (Blu-Host) How ever, even with that it does not prevent the response from Fema being more appropriate
(01:28:18) (ral) i see all sides here
(01:28:37) (diane) The mayor's supposed "plan" said they had enough
(01:28:53) (ral) it was so / devastating so fast / / i was hard to organize /
(01:29:09) (ral) i try to condemn no1
(01:29:20) (Blu-Host) Ral, this disaster was not unexpected, Scientists and the state of Louisiana have been begging the federal Government for years for help. they knew this was coming
(01:29:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Another thing here is that FEMA should be restored to a full cabinet level entity like it used to be.
(01:29:32) (ron) not a time to makes excuses for those in charge
(01:29:42) (Tug) FEMA stopped Red CRoss from getting in with supplies to NO
(01:29:43) (ral) well
(01:29:56) (Blu-Host) They knew the levees would break under a level 3 hurricane, this hurricane was forecasted a level 4 2 weeks before it hit
(01:30:25) (Blu-Host) right Tug, they stopped the Red Cross and Wal-Mart!
(01:30:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, Tug. And they also cut the St. Bernard Parrish's emergency line of communication and used it to set up their own!!!
(01:30:54) (ral) i feel that not just one person / organization / is to fault / i see your point and the majority agrees / i feel however as the commander does / it is as war and / well
(01:30:57) (ral) / hmm
(01:31:04) (Tug) too many indians and no Chief
(01:31:06) (Blu-Host) Fema officials actually booted the homeless left by the huricanne out of thier hotels!
(01:31:16) (ral) its was hard to seperate all the chaos to help
(01:31:22) (Host-WalksInSpirit) You said it, Tug! No leadership.
(01:31:29) (Blu-Host) no Ral, it was not hard, I could have done it!
(01:31:38) (ron) i agree with you there, Tug...no chief
(01:31:42) (ral) see the interview three days ago with the navy commanders words /
(01:32:05) (Blu-Host) Being organized and responding with intelligence is only hard when you are G.W. Bush
(01:32:12) (ral) recall i am southern democrate you all / :)
(01:32:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yes. FEMA booted out little old ladies in wheelchairs from hotel rooms in Baton Rouge, so they could have the rooms.
(01:32:24) (ron) good ral
(01:32:28) (ral) so its hard for me not to point for sure / :)
(01:33:08) (ral) hindsight 20 20
(01:33:18) (diane) pats on the back, to ral
(01:33:22) (ral) as the deal unfolded it was chaos
(01:33:53) (ron) follow all the news summaries on CNN and Fox...you can get a good picture of all the mistakes that took place
(01:33:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This was told to CBS reporters by men from a small town (I forget the name) south of New Orleans who have had to search for survivors, pull the dead from the rubble, and clear their own roads, because FEMA has not shown up to help them.
(01:34:53) (diane) Neighbor didn't help neighbor much , either...people were too complacent, many warnings...always survived other hurricanes
(01:35:18) (ral) i am in the minority i know / this is what i see /
(01:35:34) (Blu-Host) Everyone in Government right now is saying "This is not the time to point fingers" , because they know who the finger is pointing at. But this is the time, because to many Americans are dead and have no voice.
(01:36:11) (diane) i'm with you, ral......but FEMA must change
(01:36:14) (ral) i realize that too
(01:36:20) (Blu-Host) Today I heard this from President Bush "Brownie you are doing a heck of a job"
(01:36:24) (Moira) I think we have another concern right now
(01:36:35) (diane) what , M?
(01:36:35) (Blu-Host) We have many concerns
(01:36:36) (ron) it was the poor and the poor blacks that got left behind...most living in the low, poor sections of the land
(01:36:41) (diane) Disease?
(01:36:45) (ral) and yes leadership is kinda lacking /
(01:36:47) (Blu-Host) they must all be addressed
(01:36:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Ted Kopel said it best when he asked Michael Brown why FEMA did not send buses, trucks, whatever needed to evacuate the disabled, elderly, & poor BEFORE the storm, and why they hadn't done so yet? He asked that a couple of days after the storm.
(01:37:13) (ral) and yes if i had been in charge things would have really rolled /
(01:37:25) (Moira) millions are being sent around the counrty animals as well and the spread of the diseases this will cause
(01:37:36) (diane) In many ways, N.Orleans had corruption...misspending of gov't funds
(01:37:47) (diane) for one
(01:37:49) (vjh) This is a little off the subject but one time in a flood here in Eastern NC I saw what one of those "Hot meals" were that the Red Cross or Salvation Army serves. It was canned green peas, canned corn and canned navy beans heated up. It really wasn't that good.
(01:37:56) (Blu-Host) I understand that Moira, and I totally agree. We have to and will take care of those issues.
(01:37:57) (ron) they put Home Securiy in charge of FEME, i believe
(01:38:01) (ral) yes fema woill learn from this
(01:38:21) (ron) so, no immediate action...need permission
(01:38:27) (diane) under FEMA, ron?
(01:38:41) (Blu-Host) How ever, to continue with the agenda that Bush has in mind will only hurt that cause
(01:38:53) (diane) Gov't hasn't taken immediate action since 1906
(01:38:59) (Tug) seen pics of all the buses, that were supposed to get peop;e out of NO, and what happened to the ..in a parking lot
(01:39:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) VJ, my Aunt spent most of yesterday serving those meals, and a little boy about 12 years old ate 3 plates. He was starved.
(01:39:12) (ral) oh yes all will try to cash in on this tragity i am sure
(01:39:36) (diane) true, ral
(01:39:36) (ron) they put Home Sucurity in charge of FEMA...FEMA can't make a decision without the approval of Home Security, i believe
(01:39:43) (Moira) Tug ?
(01:39:52) (vjh) Was it the Red Cross or the Salvation Army?
(01:40:07) (vjh) I guess if you're starving they taste real good.
(01:40:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Salvation Army.
(01:40:26) (Tug) they were not dispatched and got flooded where they sat
(01:40:26) (Blu-Host) At the time of the Hurricane there was no one in authority in Washington, they were all over the country. So no one had the authority to authorize anything.
(01:40:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In conjunction with their church.
(01:40:37) (ron) i'm not sure you called it Home Security...must be another name
(01:40:45) (ral) i see the water in the city is topped out on ecoli and things / evacuate the entire city i agree to that 1
(01:40:46) (diane) Those meals were ready meals like the military eats
(01:40:50) (Moira) oh my goodness
(01:41:20) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I have eat the MRE's - Meals Ready To Eat, and they are better than any canned stuff we get in stores.
(01:41:22) (ron) Homeland Security?
(01:41:26) (ral) they flew some people to boise here btw / :)
(01:41:29) (diane) I think it was up to Blanco and the mayor to command evacuation
(01:41:52) (Blu-Host) I believe you are right Diane
(01:42:01) (Moira) kids born from 1994 to present are the only ones required to get
(01:42:05) (diane) I heard the mayor told Bush he had over 500 busses to get people out
(01:42:06) (ral) it is nessicary
(01:42:07) (Moira) HB shots
(01:42:08) (vjh) I wasn't a victim then. I went to try to talk these fellows into coming out of their flooded house. One guy was following the other guy who was saying "I'm not leaving." and the guy was drinking so m uch he probably didn't know the water had risen.
(01:42:13) (Blu-Host) however given the scope of this it is a national disaster and not a state disaster
(01:42:13) (Tug) too many opinions, not enough action
(01:42:16) (ral) / i would wish to stay too /
(01:42:20) (vjh) I wasn't hungry though. I had come from a house with electricity.
(01:42:30) (ral) but the water is dangerous /
(01:42:30) (ral) but the water is dangerous /
(01:42:34) (Moira) rest of population aside from health care workers is not protected against this
(01:43:03) (ral) this is very very big yes blu
(01:43:04) (Blu-Host) I have not herd that Diane, where di you hear about the buses?
(01:43:05) (Tug) baxteria level 10 times safe level
(01:43:21) (ral) it will effect the world i feel even /
(01:43:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, Tug. That water is a toxic gumbo.
(01:43:35) (diane) Logistically, Blu...the immediate site of the crisis was where action needed to take effect first
(01:43:51) (Blu-Host) I agree
(01:43:52) (diane) I'll see if i can find it , Blu
(01:43:57) (Tug) I saw pictures on FNC, yesterday
(01:44:06) (ral) the domino of this and fuel prices / big changes happening now / it may be time then / try not to fear
(01:44:08) (Moira) just something they touch is contaminated the elderly and immune def . will suffer
(01:44:39) (ron) i heard that as well, diane....the buses were to be used for emergency evacuation...especially for those that had no means of getting out...they were never used and then covered with water...is this true diane?
(01:44:50) (ral) water test is equal to raw
(01:45:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The big oil companies' profits are up 54% from what they had expected.
(01:45:00) (ral) today show this am said
(01:45:24) (ral) oh yes
(01:45:41) (ral) dont get me rolin on them guys walks
(01:46:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Big oil is shakin us down at a time when we need the money to help others.
(01:46:10) (ron) they always end up as the winners...those oil companies
(01:46:14) (Moira) Could it be they knew this and had to wait for immunization to take effect ?
(01:46:44) (Blu-Host) Regardless of this current evacuation, the White house cut funds for the Army Corps of Engineers was cut drastically and the levies that they knew needed to be repaired were left to the original inadequate standards
(01:48:28) (Blu-Host) So my question is here and now, beside helping the victims what is our role as citizens now?
(01:48:37) (diane) They should also ask why Mayor Nagin keeps saying that the President should have commandeered 500 Greyhound buses to help him when, according to his own emergency plan and documents
(01:49:09) (diane) he claimed, between the local school buses and the city transportation buses, he had at his disposal over 500 buses, but he never raised a finger to prepare them or activate them.
(01:49:25) (Blu-Host) Good question Diane
(01:49:46) (Blu-Host) However, more people died than what was in NO
(01:50:00) (Blu-Host) it is a massive failure of Gov on all levels
(01:50:30) (diane) I'm quoting from a source, Blu
(01:51:20) (diane) i'm looking for the source of the source...lol
(01:51:54) (Tug) diane, I think we saw the same bus pics
(01:52:09) (diane) Could be, Tug
(01:52:09) (Blu-Host) Thanks Diane, but I think I heard that on the news too
(01:52:20) (Blu-Host) source is not important right now
(01:53:10) (Blu-Host) I have had some disaster training from the red cross, and they always teach that you can not be dependant on immediate emergency care and must be prepared
(01:53:27) (ky-mike) alas .....thelate great planet earth.... wats next !
(01:53:44) (Blu-Host) Change in Consciousness?
(01:54:27) (Tug) awareness blu
(01:54:31) (Blu-Host) right Tug
(01:54:40) (ky-mike) yes
(01:54:43) (ron) another solar system
(01:55:51) (Blu-Host) I believe we are seeing what Cayce predicted. This country is no longer the major power it once was.
(01:56:26) (Blu-Host) Countries like China are going to leap to the role of major powrs
(01:56:52) (Tug) disagree, blu
(01:57:15) (ron) there has been a division of consciousness for the last 2 elections...
(01:57:19) (Blu-Host) Why is that Tug?
(01:57:58) (Tug) us is the only truly free country in the world
(01:58:34) (Blu-Host) Tug, we have some freedom, but it has slowly eroded away
(01:58:39) (ron) i believe that there is a spiritual revolution taking now in China
(01:59:02) (ron) taking place now in China
(01:59:13) (Blu-Host) Of course this is my opinion here, but Bush was not elected to office in the first place. In that election we lost our freedom, it was sold out
(01:59:26) (Tug) not enough yo destroy us ,blu
(01:59:50) (Blu-Host) I agree with that Tug, but we are now suffering the consequences and will for a time to come
(01:59:51) (diane) He did, I believe, get 59% of the vote
(02:00:29) (ron) an awakening of the Chinese people
(02:00:52) (Tug) a natural disaster, not a political one
(02:01:02) (diane) I read where the Chinese Gov't is loosening their grip on the people
(02:01:02) (Blu-Host) I agree Ron, and China is now the world leader in the financial world
(02:01:31) (Blu-Host) yes, free trade is making it's way to China
(02:01:38) (ron) i think the republicans may face a political disaster
(02:01:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Well, the atheists are the firsts to sue you if you pray to a God who does not exist, in their opinion. If He don't exist, then why does it make them so all fired mad to hear a prayer to Him? But let a catastrophe like Katrina happen, and they will be the first to blame God! Yet, in their view, He does not exist. That just does not make a lot of sense to me.
(02:01:59) (Blu-Host) I think this is a political disaster as well Tug
(02:02:02) (Tug) there you go blu. the key word is loosening
(02:02:57) (diane) Who blamed God, WIS?
(02:03:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The atheists.
(02:03:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) LOL
(02:03:27) (diane) ahhh! of course
(02:03:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They did! I heard them on the radio!
(02:03:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Now, does that make any sense???
(02:03:46) (Blu-Host) LOL
(02:03:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) they don't believe in God, yet he caused Katrina.
(02:03:57) (ron) no
(02:04:00) (Tug) the idiots speak
(02:04:42) (ron) how can you blame something that doesn't exist?
(02:05:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) That's what I'm sayin, Ron. Don't make a whole lotta sense.
(02:05:24) (diane) Maybe they're agnostic atheists
(02:05:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) LOL Diane
(02:05:37) (ron) lol
(02:05:52) (ron) diane lol
(02:07:38) (Roz) we ya sure cant take any responsibility for your own lives
(02:08:25) (Tug) why not roz?
(02:08:29) (diane) Oh...why would you say such a thing?
(02:09:28) (Tug) how does that help you, roz
(02:09:58) (vjh) I'm still watching the news channel about the crisis in New Orleans.
(02:10:05) (ron) the poor and poor blacks living in the poor low sections are at fault...thats the way some people want it...blame them
(02:10:10) (Roz) God helps those who help themselves Tug
(02:10:18) (ky-mike) yea , its a mess
(02:10:21) (vjh) Now I'm sure that Sylvia Brown got North Carolina mixed up with New Orleans.
(02:10:38) (ky-mike) may -b not V
(02:10:42) (Tug) true roz
(02:10:47) (Roz) Sylvia Brown is mixed up period
(02:10:54) (ky-mike) season , aint over yet
(02:10:54) (diane) SB needs to fine tune her antenna
(02:11:00) (Moira) Roz are you related to my family ?
(02:11:13) (ky-mike) she is wrong somtimes
(02:11:13) (Roz) of course Moira aren twe
(02:11:31) (vjh) Yes because when she said "North Carolina is going to get hit" it sounded like it would be pretty harsh. And I don't think we can get a hurricane as bad as Katrina was to New Orleans.
(02:11:38) (Moira) sounds like
(02:11:40) (Roz) never ,,,,was once but that was a mistake
(02:11:55) (ky-mike) well i pray u r right , v
(02:12:17) (ky-mike) ole mother earth , is in bad shape
(02:12:17) (diane) lol I think he meant SB, Roz
(02:12:33) (Blu-Host) It' s time for us to wake up and realize that the changing times are happening RIGHT NOW. Our world, our civilization, and our individual lives are all undergoing dramatic personal and collective change.
(02:12:36) (Roz) lets put the blame where it belongs
(02:12:52) (Moira) purging mike purging
(02:13:01) (Blu-Host) Yet, this is sometimes hard for us to recognize because the changes have not been a single event. They have been a process.
(02:13:11) (vjh) They've got this latest storm leaving Florida, making a complete turn going right back South.
(02:13:29) (Blu-Host) Cayce's predictions for the future are not really about earthquakes; instead, they are about the fact that a new world is being born.
(02:13:52) (ky-mike) revalations... in the bible ... read an weeep
(02:13:52) (Blu-Host) The changing events in our lives and in our surroundings are to enable us to remember why we are here. Simply stated, these changes are the testing which will enable us to put God in our lives.
(02:13:54) (Roz) On Friday night before Katrina hit the gulf coast, Max Mayfield of the National Hurricane Center took the unprecedented action of calling Mayor Nagin of New Orleans and Louisiana Governor Blanco personally to plead with them to begin MANDATORY evacuation of New Orleans and they said they'd take it under consideration. This was after the NOAA buoy 240 miles south had recorded sixty-eight foot waves before it was destroyed.
(02:14:09) (Roz) He did nothing
(02:14:22) (Blu-Host) We don't want to fool ourselves; the geological condition of the planet makes some earth changes inevitable. There will continue to be earthquakes. But potentially even more influential changes can come from worldwide political turmoil,
(02:14:23) (Roz) either one of them
(02:14:43) (diane) The compassion we all hold for the poor is obvious....They were just decades worth of neglected down there. Educationally , financially , & etc
(02:14:55) (Blu-Host) economic challenges, wars, and many more "upheavals" that are not necessarily geological in nature. The challenge of the times is for us to come together as one global community.
(02:15:03) (ron) some people show no heart for those left behind like it was their fault
(02:15:16) (Blu-Host) The purpose of the changes we are experiencing is not for the changes themselves; rather it is so that we will undergo personal and global transformation. Only in this way may we usher in the dawn of a New Age.
(02:15:23) (Roz) and used th emoney allocated for repairng the canals o n a dome and a casimo
(02:15:36) (ky-mike) alot of wat cayce got psychic, was from the bible, he read it over an over
(02:15:38) (Moira) I have been editating for them and only them ron
(02:15:39) (Blu-Host) From Cayce. s perspective, the future offers not destruction and hopelessness, but the chance to transform the world as we work together, building hope and community for all of humankind.
(02:15:58) (diane) What I couldn't believe is that they flat out refused to leave!
(02:16:03) (Blu-Host) Today, wherever we find ourselves, there is a great need to come together as one global family. That is our collective destiny. That is the potential heritage we share as spiritual beings manifesting in the earth.
(02:16:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) If Bush knew the dire situation, then he also should have cut his vacation short RIGHT THEN before the storm, and not continued his speaking tour of the west, and came back to Washington, and to a country that desperately needed leadership. Cheney too. |
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Post by WalksInSpirit on Sept 17, 2005 5:19:27 GMT -5
Thursday Afternoon Chat: 09-08-05, Part Two (02:16:35) (Roz) and had acres of buses that went awash
(02:17:10) (ron) some of that water almost washed some of the bushes in Washington DC
(02:17:25) (Roz) he called both the mayor and gov urging them to allow federal help twice
(02:17:27) (ron) washed away
(02:17:57) (Tug) diane abd I, were talking about the buses earlier, roz
(02:18:08) (Roz) they did not want help they said
(02:18:23) (Whiteraven) brb
(02:19:10) (Roz) no evaucation plan ever was implemented
(02:19:14) (ky-mike) its fema,s job , to get in there an acess the damage.... an move
(02:19:28) (Blu-Host) I believe we bear a collective responsibility here, total and massive failure of all Govt to protect the people
(02:19:32) (Tug) as I said before..too many indians...no Chief
(02:19:33) (Roz) first they hve to be alerted
(02:19:40) (Blu-Host) right Tug
(02:19:45) (Moira) I was angry about it but not too much anymore because I know this is going to make a big change
(02:19:47) (ky-mike) yes tug
(02:20:00) (diane) Right, Moira
(02:20:23) (Roz) we elect mayors and governors who are toatlly ill equipted for the job
(02:20:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The president has not surrounded himself with people who are top of their game, either, as we have seen. Former horse judges without disaster management experience have no business running FEMA.
(02:20:29) (Moira) up up and away
(02:20:31) (Blu-Host) I see what you are saying Moira, I am going to use my anger to move me to action
(02:20:57) (ky-mike) yes , moria, no more glitches !
(02:20:58) (diane) Jeb should head FEMA...diane ducks for cover!
(02:21:16) (Roz) Media bias
(02:21:28) (ky-mike) ty diane... good 1
(02:21:31) (diane) He's certainly got the Fla hurricane experience for it
(02:21:35) (Blu-Host) At least Fl has changed it's policies to be better prepared. I will give Jeb that.
(02:21:44) (ky-mike) yes , 4 las year
(02:21:48) (Roz) reporters who making policy???
(02:21:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The president himself said FEMA's reaction time was not acceptable.
(02:22:11) (Blu-Host) If it weren't for the reporters nothing wouldhave ever been done about this Roz
(02:22:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) That is why he is leading an investigation into what went wrong.
(02:22:17) (Roz) and whose fault wa s it?
(02:22:31) (Blu-Host) If the reporters can get to these people before the government that says a lot
(02:22:45) (diane) We got Hillary up here as our sen. and she's calling for an investigation
(02:22:53) (ky-mike) brown is a new guy ... hewas not ready
(02:23:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) So is Sen. Bill Frist. Republican from Tennessee.
(02:23:41) (diane) So, good could come of this yet...barring human error
(02:24:07) (Blu-Host) hopefully Diane, if the process does not bog it down
(02:24:29) (Roz) God save us
(02:24:33) (Blu-Host) let us pray that the new madrid fault does not go before we do
(02:24:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He is a Medical Doctor and was on the ground treating people at the New Orleans airport. He said it was a disgrace, and promised to launch a senate investigational hearing as soon as he got back to Washington.
(02:24:35) (ky-mike) amen
(02:24:40) (Blu-Host) Amen Roz
(02:25:04) (ky-mike) yea , blu , the madrid is in my area
(02:25:16) (diane) It always seems to...we're a flawed and bogged race, we humans
(02:25:31) (Blu-Host) I moved out of there when I realized about the new madrid Mike
(02:25:34) (diane) where is the madrid?
(02:25:43) (Blu-Host) along the MS river
(02:25:45) (Blu-Host) river
(02:25:49) (Blu-Host) near Memphis
(02:26:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It's republicans & democrats saying this is not acceptable. Heck, anyone with a heart & half a brain says something went wrong, and it's not acceptable response.
(02:26:04) (ky-mike) it is a fault line ... like san anrdeas
(02:26:05) (diane) oh dear....keep WIS away from it
(02:26:07) (Blu-Host) Memphis will be devastated when it goes
(02:26:21) (Blu-Host) we are no where near it Diane!
(02:26:29) (vjh) Who was it who said Max Mayfield of the hurricane center begged the LA governor to evacuate New Orleans two days before the storm?
(02:26:30) (diane) WHEW!
(02:26:35) (Roz) it went wrong 20 years ago
(02:26:41) (ky-mike) an nick , said it could happen !
(02:27:00) (Blu-Host) it will happen Mike, it is buldgingnow
(02:27:24) (ky-mike) i was here wen madrid shook , it rattleled the wundows in cincinnati
(02:27:32) (Blu-Host) anything between St Louis and memphis could be affected
(02:27:36) (vjh) Well, the Great Lakes are supposed to empty straight into the Gulf when earth changes happen.
(02:27:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I pray to God that He will keep us at least until this catastrophe is over. If something else happened right now, we'd be done for.
(02:28:27) (Eileen) did anyone hear that the MS flowed backwards during the hurricane?
(02:28:41) (Eileen) another of Cayce's predictions
(02:28:42) (Blu-Host) Mike you know about liquification of the land right?
(02:28:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Naw, I didn't hear that Eileen.
(02:28:47) (ky-mike) yepp , trust in the lord an go on , yea tho i go thru the vally of death
(02:28:57) (Eileen) it did for a while Walks
(02:28:58) (ky-mike) yes
(02:29:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Wow
(02:29:52) (ky-mike) an thats the ohio vally
(02:29:52) (Eileen) scary
(02:30:48) (diane) Life goes on WIS. Worrying won't help
(02:31:01) (Eileen) what is liquification of the land, Blu?
(02:31:21) (Blu-Host) the land near Memphis, and most of that area is clay
(02:31:26) (diane) the land turns to water
(02:31:30) (Blu-Host) it will become like water during a quake
(02:31:35) (ky-mike) cayce backs up wat the sizemolagist say, the big 1 is coming 4 california
(02:31:35) (Eileen) didn't know about that
(02:31:42) (Blu-Host) and buildings will sink
(02:32:02) (Blu-Host) also a lot of Memphis sits on a shelf with the river under it, that shelf will be gone
(02:32:22) (Host-WalksInSpirit) New Orleans has been sinking an inch per year.
(02:32:30) (ky-mike) amulsafcation... liquid land
(02:32:32) (vjh) Then the river should be deep in Memphis, is it?
(02:32:34) (Eileen) wow, Walks, for how long?
(02:32:37) (diane) Earthquakes come without warning, right?
(02:33:02) (ky-mike) yes diane
(02:33:03) (diane) unlike hurricanes and volcanic eruption
(02:33:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Not sure, Eileen, but it started when they built the levees to divert the Mississippi and they expanded the city and took up the natural freshwater wetlands (swamp).
(02:33:36) (Blu-Host) well Diane with this particular fault line there is signs that the pressure is building, I forget the amount they said. but the land is bulging
(02:33:39) (vjh) Back in the 60's or 70's I read about that tropical animal they discovered that was from a tropical environment and it was frozen so fast it had leaves in its mouth that were from a tropical environment.
(02:33:52) (vjh) Now I heard other people talking about that.
(02:34:04) (diane) ty, Blu
(02:34:19) (ky-mike) there r plates around the globe , an thers maga , underneath, shifting plates
(02:34:39) (Eileen) think I saw something about the wetlands
(02:35:25) (Eileen) how long have they known about the new madrid fault?
(02:35:41) (ky-mike) over a 100 years
(02:36:08) (Eileen) oh, so it is not new, just called "New" madrid, then?
(02:36:16) (ky-mike) yes ,
(02:36:19) (Eileen) thanks, mike
(02:36:26) (ky-mike) ty
(02:36:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) See, back when Bienville the French explorer who built New Orleans built the epicenter of the city (French Quarter), he did so on the highest ground. He then built the levees to keep out Lake Ponchartraine to the North. But to the south, they had the swamp as a buffer to the Mississippi. When the Mississippi would overflow, then it only flooded the wetlands. As the years passed, the city expanded and those wetlands are now what is known as "The Ninth Ward" neighborhood.
(02:37:20) (ky-mike) there r over 5 billion people on this planet an growing, things r not gona get better
(02:38:46) (Blu-Host) The New Madrid fault system, or the New Madrid seismic zone, is a series of faults beneath the continental crust in a weak spot known as the Reelfoot Rift. It cannot be seen on the surface. The fault system extends 150 miles southward from Cairo, Illinois through New Madrid and Caruthersville, Missouri, down through Blytheville, Arkansas to Marked Tree, Arkansas. It dips into Kentucky near Fulton and into Tennessee near Reelfoot Lake, and extends south
(02:40:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The state that New Orleans is in right now, believe it or not, is it's natural state. It's been kept "artificially dry" all these years by the levee system and the pump system.
(02:41:20) (Eileen) I wonder why they built out from the French quarter, so that it went down hill
(02:41:39) (ky-mike) i feel nex 6 to 7 years, is going to b a telling time !
(02:41:52) (vjh) I heard something about if more polar ice melted then alot of coastal cities would be flooded. Miami and Cairo, Egypt are two such cities.
(02:42:05) (Roz) at the expense of its citizens, whose Federal allocation for reparis went to a dome and casinos
(02:42:09) (Eileen) well, you know what the Aztecs say about 2012, 7 years from now
(02:42:15) (ky-mike) yes , an the caps rb melting
(02:42:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Prolly to get the oceanfront property everyone is so crazy about. and then, you have the ports there for shipping, etc. Money, money, money!
(02:42:35) (ky-mike) yes , the calender ..... ends
(02:42:43) (diane) big mismanagement of funds
(02:42:48) (Eileen) lots of pacific islands losing coral reefs, and land
(02:43:14) (Eileen) wonderful how money can stop hurricanes, ain't it?
(02:44:02) (Eileen) they weather people think they will run out of names soon, will have to go to a secondary system for naming the hurricanes
(02:44:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We really need to spend the money now to restore the wetlands. If we don't, all our coastal cities, like Tampa, Miami, San Fransico, etc. are New Orleans' waiting to happen. they are all sinking.
(02:44:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep. If they use all the names, they will go to the Greek alphabet.
(02:45:04) (Roz) or give into the hands of the local politicians
(02:45:07) (Eileen) first time that has ever been done, they say
(02:45:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They said that has never happened before.
(02:45:22) (Whiteraven) Okay so we all know the predictions and prophecies ar ebeing fullfilled right now and more earth changes are to come so what is that we are asked to do with this knowledge how can we rise above the fears how we best serve Great Spirit at this time ?
(02:45:42) (Eileen) well, Folks, better start saving for you rocket tickets, once the earth goes
(02:45:50) (Blu-Host) Very Good Question White Raven
(02:46:01) (vjh) Yeah, a few days ago they said "this is the anniversary of Hurricane Fran in 96" -- only to F's then. And Fran was a scary bad storm.
(02:46:31) (vjh) Ten days later there was a flood.
(02:46:44) (ky-mike) eileen , i beleve in the rapture..... no fear
(02:47:46) (Eileen) I am hoping that another storm does not hit New Orleans this season, but then it is not my decision
(02:47:57) (Blu-Host) From Cayce. s perspective, the future offers not destruction and hopelessness, but the chance to transform the world as we work together, building hope and community for all of humankind. Today, wherever we find ourselves, there is a great need to come together as one global family. That is our collective destiny. That is the potential heritage we share as spiritual beings manifesting in the earth.
(02:47:58) (diane) me too, mike....but i do fear for my kids' families
(02:48:13) (ky-mike) no , me 2 , but ... !.. it could happen
(02:48:13) (Eileen) teasing mike, just wondering what the politians are intending to do once we wreck the earth
(02:48:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Me too, Eileen. Another hit anywhere on the Gulf Coast would be even more devastating.
(02:48:36) (ky-mike) yes , diane , i understand
(02:48:47) (diane) We're the politicians, Eileen
(02:48:48) (Whiteraven) thank you Blu it is all too easy to get caught up in the fear and emotion and forget the bigger picture aye
(02:48:56) (diane) We're the voters
(02:48:58) (Blu-Host) aye
(02:49:01) (Eileen) Blu, I hope that comes true
(02:49:07) (diane) and we put them in office
(02:49:14) (ky-mike) eileen , they will blame it on mother nature
(02:49:14) (Blu-Host) it's up to people like us Eileen
(02:49:27) (Whiteraven) true
(02:49:33) (Eileen) and we voted in the ones that are in there now
(02:50:23) (Eileen) was amazed that even after the hurricane, we were treating folks so badly, even the Hand of God, seems not to faze us
(02:50:23) (ky-mike) as stalking wolf sais , enough people come together, they can chang the out -come !
(02:50:25) (Whiteraven) Its up to each of us to fullfill that promise to come together as One people this is much bigger than politicks I feel
(02:50:38) (Whiteraven) true ky
(02:51:01) (ky-mike) an cayce , said it to
(02:51:06) (diane) Say what you will,,,GW has faced 2 disasters of untold proportions during his term...With whom do we compare him? Truman? He dropped the bomb
(02:51:27) (Eileen) so many have come together to help and to protest the ill treatment, hopefully we are on our way to togetherness
(02:51:29) (diane) We can't bomb a hurricane
(02:51:43) (Blu-Host) Well, he thinks Brownie is doing a great job, if that says anything
(02:51:56) (diane) I wonder
(02:52:08) (Blu-Host) but we sure as heck can go pick up the survivors
(02:52:19) (ky-mike) u look at g w , first fwew mo,s in office , n korean theart , the china incadent , then 9 / 11
(02:52:20) (diane) i think he'll replace Brownie
(02:52:29) (vjh) THey said they had 25,000 body bags and hoped that was enough.
(02:52:38) (ky-mike) he shud diane
(02:52:39) (Eileen) some things in history are meant to be, in my opinion, diane
(02:52:41) (Blu-Host) he won't have any choice but to replace him
(02:52:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) That's prolly *why* he wasn't hands on with this hurricane. Cause he could not bomb it....
(02:53:27) (diane) right on Eileen...meant to be
(02:53:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) VJ, they'll have to reorder.
(02:53:35) (ky-mike) yes , blu , question is y , did it take so long , an he has no experence , y was he picked
(02:53:38) (vjh) My father was a staunch, staunch Republican. Of course there were alot of things my parents did that I thoroughly disapprove of.
(02:53:44) (Eileen) yes, the many attempts to kill Hitler did not work
(02:53:57) (Blu-Host) he was picked because he was a friend of a friend
(02:54:20) (vjh) When there were Reppublican governors he got appointed to the governing boards. One year he had a license plate that said "144".
(02:54:25) (ky-mike) u vote 4 the best man , not the party
(02:54:38) (diane) Political cronyism is as old as time
(02:54:48) (diane) doesn't make it right, tho
(02:54:53) (vjh) Someone told me he got his ideas from someone who influenced him. He was really a generous person.
(02:55:27) (ky-mike) very good blue ,
(02:55:41) (vjh) The Liutenant Governor of NC has personally answered some of my letters when I complained about some issues. She's a Democrat and I admire her.
(02:55:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Say what you will about Clinton... He always surrounded himself with people that were at the top of their game.
(02:56:03) (ky-mike) good v
(02:56:07) (diane) or on top of him. Lol
(02:56:16) (Blu-Host) LOL
(02:56:22) (vjh) And say what you will about Hilliary Clinton--at least she cares about issues and people.
(02:56:23) (Eileen) funny, funny diane
(02:56:35) (ky-mike) yea , an osama hit on clinton for 8 years
(02:56:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) LOL Diane. May be true, but it didn't cost one soul their life.
(02:56:45) (Blu-Host) I like Hillary
(02:56:46) (diane) true, mike
(02:57:08) (ky-mike) yes , i tell the truth , no party line 4 me
(02:57:13) (diane) Clinton bombed the Aspirin factory
(02:57:22) (Blu-Host) LOL!
(02:57:26) (vjh) Where was the Aspirin Factory?
(02:57:31) (Eileen) what aspirin factory, diane?
(02:57:34) (diane) ( good thing it wasn't viagara)
(02:57:34) (ky-mike) yes , he did , outch , i got a headavhe
(02:57:36) (Blu-Host) Men and thier toys
(02:57:53) (Eileen) that would have gotten him impeached for real!
(02:57:59) (ky-mike) it was in africa ,, v
(02:58:22) (diane) He retaliated, Eileen....but thought it was WMD chemical factory
(02:58:44) (Eileen) wmd?
(02:58:55) (diane) weapons of mass destruction
(02:59:06) (Eileen) oh, thanks, diane
(02:59:10) (Blu-Host) You know, those boy toys Bush said was in Iraq
(02:59:19) (diane) yw Eileen
(02:59:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Bush sold a war to us, based on a lie.
(02:59:20) (vjh) The last time I went to DC was the week before the Lewinski thing blew up and I was in that park across from the White House and it was so quiet. Even the one street person in it was an undercover cop.
(02:59:21) (Blu-Host) ;-)
(03:00:05) (diane) No one at all thought it was a lie at the time, WIS
(03:00:06) (ky-mike) iran , is the 1 to watch out for , they would like to nuke us, an the hav the plutonium to do it
(03:00:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) That makes it even worse, Diane!
(03:01:38) (Blu-Host) I think that is why it is so important for us to meditate, so in those times when we do not have the full story we can follow the guidance of God.
(03:01:55) (Whiteraven) Amen Blu
(03:05:19) (Whiteraven) WIS it occurs to me allso that USA was the one who refused to sign the kyoto protocol re : greenhouse gases creating the ozone hole which creates the bad storms etc Is ther much awareness of that in USA
(03:05:52) (Blu-Host) I don't think there is WR, I think we care more about the price of gas
(03:06:16) (diane) I'm not aware, WR
(03:06:32) (Blu-Host) at least up to now, if this is not a wake up call I do not know what is.
(03:07:06) (Eileen) hope we don't sleep through it Blu
(03:07:27) (ky-mike) an thee will b more blu , wake-up calls galore
(03:08:11) (Blu-Host) There is a petition that I signed and sent to my state officials, stating that the scientists have been ignored , and even worse that their presentations to Congress have been altered
(03:08:51) (Blu-Host) this petition requests that Gov officials listen to scientists about global warming and do not ignore the scientific data
(03:10:03) (Eileen) is that what the email was about Blu?
(03:11:15) (Blu-Host) that email at least will give you the tools to reach out to your government officials if you agree with the material presented
(03:11:40) (vjh) Donald Trump is giving his comment on Fox news. talking about how he blames whoever was responsible for the maintenance of the levy.
(03:12:00) (ky-mike) yes , an hes telling it , go donald
(03:12:33) (ky-mike) higher walls ... he says
(03:12:37) (diane) Thank you for chat, Blu & WIS... Blessings all!
(03:15:52) (Blu-Host) redpath.proboards24.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1125672591
(03:16:10) (Blu-Host) that is the thread for the issues on the petition
(03:16:18) (Eileen) thanks, Blu
(03:16:44) (Blu-Host) concerning the Scientists who have banded together over global warming
(03:17:07) (Eileen) ok, we need to address that responsibly
(03:17:17) (Blu-Host) yes we do
(03:17:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) There is a book called "Bayou Farewell" and I forget the author's name. But he was on the news the other day, telling about the wetlands and how our costal cities are sinking due to the vanishing wetlands.
(03:19:21) (Eileen) when did he write it Walks?
(03:19:50) (vjh) WalksInSpirit, if hurricane comes here, do you see it being a bad one?
(03:20:09) (Eileen) where?
(03:20:24) (vjh) I'm on the coast of North Carolina.
(03:20:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, VJ. Perhaps not on the scale of Katrina.
(03:21:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Ok, the author is Mike Tidwell
(03:21:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And the book was written in 2003
(03:30:28) (Blu-Host) There is an island called Tuvalu, it is submerging beneath the ocean and the people are being evacuated because of rising water due to global warming.
(03:30:50) (Blu-Host) Do you know this island WR?
(03:30:50) (Eileen) where is the island, Blu?
(03:30:57) (Blu-Host) near NZ
(03:31:00) (Whiteraven) The islands have been sinking for many years now
(03:31:17) (Whiteraven) yes i know of it know people from there
(03:31:46) (Blu-Host) yes they have, the are like the canaries in the coal mine. They are the warning signal that all the coast lines are sinking
(03:31:57) (Whiteraven) here in NZ we are very much aware of the global changes as it affects us directly the islands being our neighbours
(03:32:17) (Blu-Host) But here in the states we know little about it
(03:32:23) (Eileen) is the coral reef in Australia still having problems?
(03:32:36) (Blu-Host) There is a wonderful magazine you all should read called "Orion"
(03:32:46) (Blu-Host) all the reefs are dying
(03:32:55) (Whiteraven) allso Antarctica and NZ being very conservation minded and people live close to the land and sea here
(03:33:08) (Whiteraven) yes the reefs are dying as are the seals and the whales
(03:33:09) (Blu-Host) that waters in the ocean have gotten warmer, and reefs need cold water
(03:33:34) (Whiteraven) they have illness her efrom toxins which come from other parts of the world
(03:33:39) (Eileen) also some kind of parasite eating the coral
(03:33:45) (Whiteraven) the wahles ar edying form toxins
(03:34:16) (ky-mike) an huge ice caps r braking off antarctica
(03:34:19) (Blu-Host) I would like to say that America has reduced emissions, but it may be to little to late
(03:34:34) (Blu-Host) the largest emmissions are now com ing from China
(03:34:48) (Whiteraven) here I think ther eis maybe some anger toward countries like USA as we are sufferingthe effects of your pollution
(03:35:12) (Whiteraven) they are but for many yrs its was USA
(03:35:18) (ky-mike) an then, theres the burning of the rain forest in ... S .A.
(03:35:19) (Whiteraven) as u say too little too late
(03:35:45) (tlv-da-tsi) yes,our country is getting stinky
(03:35:57) (Whiteraven) yup stinky lol
(03:36:19) (Blu-Host) My deepest and most humble apologies WR
(03:36:29) (tlv-da-tsi) nobody cares anymore
(03:36:37) (Whiteraven) then i guess its all part of none of us are isoltaed whatever we do naywhere affects all our relations aye
(03:36:46) (Blu-Host) aye
(03:36:47) (tlv-da-tsi) and thats whats ruining us
(03:36:53) (Eileen) aye
(03:37:06) (ky-mike) yes
(03:37:22) (Blu-Host) however
(03:37:32) (Blu-Host) there is something we can do now
(03:37:41) (ky-mike) fact is we r coming down to it , the nitty gritty.......
(03:38:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The sooner we can develop alternative energy sources, the better off we'll all be.
(03:38:10) (Blu-Host) and we as conscious people must use everything in our power to make this change in consciousness the number one priority in our lives
(03:38:12) (tlv-da-tsi) we fight amongst our selves here,and we shuld'nt
(03:38:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Right on, Panther
(03:38:39) (Whiteraven) Blu it saddens me deeply to see what we have done to this beautiful Erath Mother we all are equally responsible as we all are equally responsible to do what we can
(03:38:45) (ky-mike) greed an carelessness... have put us on this road .... long ago !
(03:38:46) (Blu-Host) for as we lift ourselves to God, those around us are lifted too
(03:38:53) (Eileen) other energy sources have been developed, it is just will we let them be used
(03:38:57) (Whiteraven) Amne Blu
(03:39:02) (Whiteraven) Amene
(03:39:09) (ky-mike) AMEN
(03:39:11) (Eileen) agreed Blu
(03:39:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Nunwe!
(03:39:31) (Blu-Host) Look at this room right now
(03:39:32) (tlv-da-tsi) amen
(03:39:36) (Blu-Host) all the various people here
(03:39:57) (Blu-Host) we have Maori, Comanche, white , black
(03:40:05) (Blu-Host) we are the future
(03:40:13) (ky-mike) no , will will not , oil companysan auto makers
(03:40:22) (Eileen) Creek (partly)
(03:40:26) (Blu-Host) we love one another and we share in common a spiritual aim
(03:40:43) (ky-mike) cherokee
(03:40:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And Cherokee
(03:40:54) (Blu-Host) if we can do this in this room, we can do it around the world
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Post by WalksInSpirit on Sept 17, 2005 5:22:04 GMT -5
Thursday Afternoon Chat: 09-08-05, Part Three (03:41:24) (Eileen) but would we be going against the Will of God, Blu?
(03:41:25) (Blu-Host) Bless us all, for we are all here
(03:41:36) (vjh) WHere are the Cree Indians from? On a program about DNA I heard them say that a Cree Indian seemed to be similar to a Greek.
(03:41:41) (Whiteraven) thank you fro reminding me of who we really are and why we are here and who we serve
(03:41:41) (Blu-Host) Oneness Eileen? I think not
(03:41:59) (ky-mike) we could change overnight, if our goverments opened up
(03:42:00) (tlv-da-tsi) theres some in Canada
(03:42:12) (Eileen) Creek - Alabama, and Georgia, too, so I have been told
(03:42:22) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep. Crees are upper Plains, if I am thinking right.
(03:42:32) (vjh) No, it was pronounced "Cree".
(03:42:35) (tlv-da-tsi) i have a friend thats Cree,she lives in Canada on a reservation
(03:42:40) (Blu-Host) government will always be government, but it is the heart and mind of the individual that will change and see this planet for what it is
(03:42:54) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, Eileen. Creeks are So. Alabama, Georgia.
(03:43:03) (Eileen) just wondering if it is time for this cycle to end, Blu
(03:43:05) (ky-mike) ufo,s an alien tecnolagy..... could change it
(03:43:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Some in No. Florida too.
(03:43:25) (Blu-Host) it has been ending, and we are well into the begining of the next
(03:43:59) (Blu-Host) Cayce said 98 - 2000
(03:44:18) (tlv-da-tsi) and I met a cherokee the other day that lived in Oklahoma
(03:44:31) (Eileen) things seem so overwhelming, can they be corrected?
(03:44:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Seminoles are not a tribe unto themselves. Seminole is a Creek word meaning Renegade. The Seminoles are made up of Creeks, Choctaws, Cherokees, and former slaves. All in a big melting pot.
(03:44:45) (ky-mike) an thers me , here in ky, part cherokee
(03:44:55) (Blu-Host) Eileen, everyone, some will not make it through this change
(03:45:21) (Blu-Host) they way to make it through is to become aware of who we are, to manefest the new earth
(03:45:37) (Blu-Host) as we manefest all that we need
(03:45:38) (ky-mike) cherokees , use to own most of kentucky
(03:45:53) (tlv-da-tsi) are they good people tho WIS?
(03:46:02) (Blu-Host) the old earth will remain for those who do not make it through
(03:46:09) (Eileen) ready to go on to the spiritual, if I am given a choice
(03:46:23) (ky-mike) me to eileen
(03:46:44) (Blu-Host) apparently Eileen, you are here to make the changes in your own consciousness, still things to do
(03:46:53) (Blu-Host) as I am
(03:46:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Seminoles? They are awesome folks! A couple of years ago, I had the opportunity to stay on their Reservation and meet with thier Tribal Council. They are wonderful people.
(03:47:02) (Eileen) unfortunately, Blu
(03:47:08) (ky-mike) yes
(03:47:16) (Blu-Host) no, it is a blessing, for you have a purpose here
(03:47:29) (ky-mike) missions
(03:47:31) (Blu-Host) a purpose greater than your own life
(03:47:31) (Eileen) am I not done YET, Blu?
(03:47:42) (tlv-da-tsi) thats cool
(03:47:44) (Blu-Host) you don't look done to me!
(03:47:52) (Eileen) darn it!
(03:47:53) (Blu-Host) LOL
(03:50:18) (Blu-Host) This life is a great opportunity for us all
(03:50:43) (Blu-Host) it takes a mighty soul to come here at this time to face the coming changes
(03:51:06) (Blu-Host) many of of us come at these times just for this purpose
(03:51:28) (Eileen) Cayce did say this was a great time to be alive
(03:51:34) (Blu-Host) and he is right
(03:52:43) (Whiteraven) Amen Blu it is truly a Blessing to be alive at tis time on Earth we have such an opportunity so much to do !! its exciting !!!!!
(03:54:04) (Blu-Host) I remember Atlantis, America before the white man, Eygpt etc
(03:54:35) (Whiteraven) here in NZ there is many who remember Lemuria
(03:54:37) (Blu-Host) even one in the Amazon, near the mouth of the river at the ocean
(03:54:38) (Eileen) Greece, Atlantis, South America, Egypt
(03:55:04) (Blu-Host) I use to swim with pink dolphins!
(03:55:06) (Eileen) France
(03:55:16) (Whiteraven) wow awesome Blu
(03:55:34) (Eileen) lots of Lemurians in NZ then?
(03:55:39) (Whiteraven) yup
(03:55:58) (Whiteraven) the beleif is that NZ is the remamining land of Lemuria
(03:56:04) (Blu-Host) That does not surprise me considering the look of NZ
(03:56:12) (Eileen) the concern about neighbors and the environment
(03:56:20) (Whiteraven) much of the old Maori knowledge is now being made known to general public
(03:56:29) (Blu-Host) wow
(03:56:39) (Blu-Host) you need to up date us on that WR
(03:56:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) That's awesome, WR
(03:57:04) (Eileen) Once were Warriors, think that was about the Maori
(03:57:08) (Whiteraven) ther eis knowledge of tribes here going back thousands and thousands of years tribes of Peace Starwalkers
(03:57:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The scientists here are just beginning to catch up to what the Elders of the American Indian Peoples have been saying for centuries.
(03:57:33) (Blu-Host) I love that "peace Starwalkers"
(03:57:44) (Whiteraven) yes it wa seileen but the lost colonised people of today some hold the knwledge of old
(03:57:58) (tlv-da-tsi) cool name
(03:58:00) (Whiteraven) many are returning to the peaceful spiritual ways o fthe ancestors
(03:58:47) (Whiteraven) Eileen if yousee whalerider youget more of a feel for the people
(03:58:49) (tlv-da-tsi) the passion of the Christ really did a number on me
(03:58:56) (Whiteraven) the movie Whalerider
(03:59:08) (Eileen) will have to see if I can find that
(03:59:14) (Blu-Host) me too
(04:00:19) (Whiteraven) Ther is a tribe her ein the South where I live thw Waitaha they wer ethe peaceful ones the Garners the Starwalkers the Wlariders theyhave shared the knowledg of old which was held for thousands of years and was released as prophesised when the stars aligned in 2000
(04:00:23) (Blu-Host) we have much to learn from each other
(04:00:47) (Blu-Host) is there a web site for this WR?
(04:00:47) (Whiteraven) Gardeners Whaleriders LOL i get excited & cant type LOL
(04:01:00) (Eileen) for general knowledge or just for NZ folks?
(04:01:22) (Eileen) good question Blu
(04:01:43) (Whiteraven) Ther is an author /Storyteller Barry Brailsford a lovely man who was chosen to share this knowledge by th eMaori his website is Stoneprint press
(04:02:08) (Whiteraven) EIleen this is for ALL PEOPLES OF THE EARTH FOR WE ARE ONE
(04:03:32) (Whiteraven) here I was Blessed to learn from the elders they are mostly gone now
(04:03:57) (Whiteraven) but alllways they promoted Peace Love for all and Inclusion Oness
(04:04:29) (Blu-Host) www.stoneprint.co.nz - StonePrint: Publishers of of New Zealand Wisdom Cards and other books by author and inspirational speaker Barry Brailsford.
(04:04:42) (Whiteraven) gee youre good lol
(04:04:50) (Whiteraven) his books talk of mu
(04:05:26) (Eileen) thanks Blu, very much
(04:05:41) (Whiteraven) Oh Blu and Wis and T specially you must lokok up Rose Pere she is an awesome teacher of these times a Tohuna - Medicine Woman of Maori
(04:05:58) (vjh) I watching the New Orleans stuff still, and they're talking about how bad it's going to be when the water is drained. When the flood happened in NC a few years ago, the water wasn't that dirty but they wouldn't let the houses be lived in again.
(04:06:15) (Whiteraven) man thers so much I d like to sahre LOL cant type fast nuff LOL
(04:07:21) (Eileen) just take your time Whiteraven
(04:07:32) (Whiteraven) The old people knew these days would come it was foretold they have been preparing and now many of them have passed into Spirit but they are with us guiding us
(04:07:39) (Whiteraven) for we all are One
(04:07:51) (Eileen) vjh, I was wondering about how all that water would affect their ground water
(04:08:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I heard they may have to scrape the topsoil off.
(04:08:45) (Whiteraven) hold on please
(04:08:48) (Eileen) I am wondering if they will ever be able to reclaim that city
(04:09:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I dunno how they can do that! Cause the water table is so close to the surface, they have to bury folks on top of the ground.
(04:09:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Me too, Eileen.
(04:09:24) (vjh) I don't know. It's being put back in the lake and they say that alone is going to cause problems.
(04:09:45) (Eileen) you're right, wasn't thinking about why they do that
(04:10:22) (Eileen) thought about that too, so that should kill the lake, wonder if they get any drinking water from it
(04:12:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I was wondering about the effects of putting that water back into the lake, too.
(04:20:47) (Whiteraven) look out for Whalerider the movie on video if you want to seee NZ and Maori its aawesomestory
(04:21:29) (Whiteraven) and comes from true tale of an ancestor who rode her from Hawaiiki on the back of a whale
(04:21:34) (Whiteraven) here
(04:21:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Wow
(04:22:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I am so glad The Peoples' stories are being told now.
(04:22:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) So much has been lost.
(04:22:44) (Whiteraven) ther ar esoooooooooo many awesome true tales here I Love it ! im a Storyteller at hear t tho stopped when I became ill some years ago
(04:23:21) (Whiteraven) Yes but allso so much has been held sacred and secret until these days when now it is being revealed agin Its Awesome !!!
(04:24:03) (Blu) I just saw some information on aol about the foreign aid coming in
(04:24:30) (Blu) want me to share it?
(04:25:01) (vjh) I think I saw that earlier. Kuwait and Qatar (wherever that is).
(04:25:12) (Blu) Mexico
(04:25:32) (Eileen) wonderful
(04:25:36) (Blu) LAREDO, Texas (Sept. 8) - A Mexican army convoy began crossing into the United States on Thursday to bring aid to victims of Hurricane Katrina.
(04:25:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Castro has an arena filled with doctors and medical supplies and medcine waiting to fly out of Cuba.
(04:25:50) (Blu) Carrying water treatment plants and mobile kitchens that can feed 7,000 people daily, the convoy bound for San Antonio is the first Mexican military unit to operate on U.S. soil since 1846.
(04:26:05) (Blu) The first green tractor-trailers, with Mexican flags attached to the tops of their cabs, crossed the international bridge at Laredo at about 8:15 a.m. The rest of the 45-vehicle convoy was in a staging area on the U.S. side in about 15 minutes.
(04:26:22) (Blu) The convoy will be escorted by the U.S. Army and the Texas Department of Public Safety. It was scheduled to leave after the leader of the convoy, Gen. Francisco Ortiz Valadez, greeted the head of the U.S. Army unit in charge of the escort, Brig. Gen. F. Joseph Prasek.
(04:26:34) (Blu) Military engineers, doctors and nurses are among the 200 people headed to San Antonio
(04:26:54) (Blu) The Mexican government was already planning another 12-vehicle aid convoy for this week. It has sent a Mexican navy ship toward the Mississippi coast with rescue vehicles and helicopters.
(04:27:05) (vjh) Now Mexico and Castro surprised me.
(04:27:06) (Blu) Mexico has sent disaster relief aid missions to other Latin American nations, but not to the United States
(04:27:10) (Blu) end
(04:27:14) (Blu) Me to VJ
(04:27:25) (Blu) but they are closest to that region
(04:27:52) (Whiteraven) Oh my gosh that is awesome WOW all thsoe people coming together my Mum is here and cynical bout the motivation but hey.....
(04:28:20) (Blu) The world sees we are one, even if we don't
(04:28:23) (Eileen) didn't the bible say that the least would be first and the first would be last?
(04:28:32) (Blu) BRUSSELS, Belgium (Sept. 8) - The United States asked NATO on Thursday to take on a bigger role transporting European aid to areas hit by Hurricane Katrina.
(04:28:32) (Blu) BRUSSELS, Belgium (Sept. 8) - The United States asked NATO on Thursday to take on a bigger role transporting European aid to areas hit by Hurricane Katrina.
(04:28:40) (Whiteraven) Eileen I am English by birth but I was accepted by Maori many years ago my husband an children are Maori and have been Blessed to be taught by th eelders
(04:28:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Venezuela has pledged fuel and cash aid, even after ol Pat Robertson got on tv and said their leader should be assassinated.
(04:28:49) (Blu) A special meeting of the allies immediately ordered military experts to draw up plans for an expanded role, including the possible use of ships from the elite NATO Response Force.
(04:28:50) (vjh) I'm not sure that anyone ever really knew what the Bible was referring to.
(04:29:04) (Blu) NATO experts are discussing the ideas with the U.S. Northern Command, and could present plans for political approval as soon as Friday, officials said.
(04:29:21) (Blu) ``It is another way in which both our European allies and partners as well as NATO as an alliance is trying to act in ways to support the relief effort in the U.S. Gulf Coast, so we're very encouraged by that,'' said Kurt Volker, the U.S. principal deputy assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs.
(04:29:35) (Blu) European nations have made substantial offers of food, medicine, bedding and other help to the stricken region.
(04:29:47) (Blu) The United States asked at the weekend for NATO to help and the alliance activated its Euro-Atlantic Disaster Response Coordination Center to help oversee the flood of offers
(04:30:01) (Blu) Some non-NATO nations such as Russia and Switzerland have also been coordinating their aid through the NATO center.
(04:30:14) (Blu) Officials said the latest offer would likely see heavy transport ships, including those with roll-on-roll-off capacity used to transport the aid across the Atlantic.
(04:30:31) (Blu) ``We are extremely grateful for the generosity and the contributions being offered by countries in Europe and countries throughout the world,'' Volker told reporters after talks at NATO headquarters.
(04:30:32) (Whiteraven) Awesome !!!
(04:30:44) (Blu) Some European nations have expressed surprise that the United States has not reacted quicker to take up their aid offers. Volker said time was needed to evaluate some of the longer-term help.
(04:30:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Hey Eileen, VJ... the gasoline you're burning in your cars is British gasoline.
(04:30:59) (Blu) ``We are doing our best to deal with the immediate humanitarian needs of the people,'' he said. ``There are a number of offers which are more advanced in a sense that they are in a later phase in the effort such as pumping equipment and generators, we'll be responding to those offers in due course.''
(04:31:02) (Whiteraven) really ?
(04:31:15) (Blu) Deployment to the U.S. Gulf Coast would mark the first time the NATO Response Force has been used for a humanitarian mission.
(04:31:29) (Blu) The force began operations last year as part of a drive to modernize the alliance in response to new threats from terrorism and regional instability. The 20,000-member force unites land, sea and air units under a single command and is designed to respond to crises within days.
(04:31:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) God Save The Queen
(04:31:50) (Eileen) go to BP all the time
(04:32:03) (Blu) The NRF is currently run by NATO's joint command in Lisbon, Portugal.
(04:32:04) (Whiteraven) and all who asil in her
(04:32:08) (Whiteraven) sail
(04:32:18) (Whiteraven) WIS LOL
(04:32:20) (Blu) This really amazes me
(04:32:38) (Whiteraven) yeah this is amazing !!
(04:32:38) (Blu) this country has been so blessed, and to need this kind of aid is humbling
(04:32:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They sent gasoline to the US for the southern states, because they get all their gasoline from the refineries that are down now due to the hurricane.
(04:32:53) (Whiteraven) aye for USA to need thisaid ?
(04:33:00) (Blu) yes
(04:33:07) (Blu) we are so wealthy
(04:33:24) (Blu) even the poor here are wealthier than most people in Africa
(04:33:27) (Eileen) my thoughts exactly, Blu, pride hurt that we are being offered help
(04:33:43) (Whiteraven) and your president calls himsself "Leader of The Free World " !
(04:33:50) (Blu) my pride is not hurt so much as I am ashamed of our people that it has come to this
(04:33:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The tiny country of Qatar in the middle east gave $500 million
(04:34:00) (Whiteraven) i allwasy think huh ? he aint leading us LOL
(04:34:04) (Blu) leader of a pack of wolves WR
(04:35:01) (Eileen) but Blu, wer are the Big Bad USA, how dare they think that we need help?
(04:35:03) (Blu) I guess I should not put down the wolves that way
(04:35:10) (Eileen) we send help, not receive it
(04:35:21) (Blu) zactly Eileen
(04:35:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Sri Lanka, the country that had the tsunami, sent us $25,000. All they had. God Bless them.
(04:36:05) (Whiteraven) yeah not so invincible after all aye ? must be a big wake up call for American people
(04:36:08) (Blu) It blows my mind that one movie star can donate a million dollars in a moment
(04:36:11) (Eileen) wonderful that even those with little are sending help
(04:36:20) (Whiteraven) true
(04:36:45) (Eileen) I'm sure it must have seemed that way from the way we left all those folks hanging wihout food or water
(04:36:46) (Blu) not invincible at all, and we are definately taking it to heart WR
(04:37:36) (Blu) You can bet your last penny that if that had been a white community this would not have happen this way, had it been Fl...
(04:37:51) (Whiteraven) and too i think those outside look and think "There but for the Grace of God go I "
(04:38:07) (Eileen) I agree, Blu, so very sad to see
(04:39:44) (Blu) Tug, Mexico has arrived with aid
(04:40:57) (Eileen) God bless those people from Sri Lanka
(04:42:38) (Eileen) because with the little they have, they thought enough of those suffering to send what they could
(04:45:02) (vjh) Oh, I know something I need to tell you all. The people I know in the Circle group in DC were supposed to have said something 2 days before the hurricane that "Things will be better after the 15th." Surely they saw the havoc that was coming onto New Orleans.
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