Patience: 08-11-05

[WalksInSpirit]

Thursday Afternoon Chat: 08-11-05

"Patience," Part One

(01:19:47) (Blu_Host) Heavenly Father/Mother, We thank You for the insights You have given us through the readings. We ask now for understanding and awareness of Patience, that we might be channels of Your Love and Will. Let Thy will be done in us and through us. Amen
(01:20:04) (patricia) Amen
(01:20:09) (diane) Amen
(01:20:13) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(01:20:41) (Blu_Host) Ok, now Patricia is asking how patience is a dimension
(01:20:53) (Blu_Host) so we need to look at these readings and come to an understanding
(01:21:09) (Blu_Host) so we will post this material and break now and then to talk about it
(01:21:37) (Blu_Host) we will see if we can understand it Patricia!
(01:21:45) (Blu_Host) That is the hard part!
(01:21:58) (WalksInSpirit) Q. Are time and space concepts that exist outside of physical consciousness?
(01:22:12) (WalksInSpirit) A. No. For the physical consciousness is an activity that uses such, as the division of space and time. And in patience only may ye become aware of the concept of either. 262-123
(01:22:12) (WalksInSpirit) How does man differ from other animate, inanimate beings or matter in the material plane?
(01:22:34) (WalksInSpirit) As has been given, error or separation began before there appeared what we know as the Earth, the Heavens; or before Space was manifested.
(01:23:14) (Blu_Host) ok, do you all understand why time and space are things that do not exist outside our consciousness?
(01:24:06) (Blu_Host) anybody?
(01:24:16) (ash) divine spark
(01:24:26) (Blu_Host) yes,
(01:24:35) (patricia) well, yeah I guess so.
(01:24:41) (Blu_Host) explain Ash
(01:24:51) (Blu_Host) you do not sound convincing Patricia
(01:25:08) (patricia) there is no such thing as time,it exists only as we perceive it.
(01:25:13) (ash) that part of god with in us
(01:25:20) (ash) in us
(01:25:48) (Blu_Host) right Ash and why does that mean there is no such thing as time and space
(01:26:06) (ash) humans are subject to time or linear space
(01:26:15) (diane) our physical conscious. uses time and space...our souls and spirit do not?
(01:26:23) (Blu_Host) good Diane
(01:26:43) (patricia) ahhhm now that i understand. :o)
(01:26:58) (Blu_Host) what we are saying is that we are divine beings, eternal and omnipresent, having a physical experience to learn lessons
(01:26:59) (ash) it is for experience
(01:27:13) (Blu_Host) ok?
(01:27:15) (diane) like pat said...it exists only as we perceive it...with our physical being
(01:27:20) (Blu_Host) everybody on the same page?
(01:27:25) (Blu_Host) right
(01:27:38) (patricia) right
(01:27:56) (Blu_Host) As has been given, error or separation began before there appeared what we know as the Earth, the Heavens; or before Space was manifested.
(01:27:56) (ash) expand please
(01:28:35) (Blu_Host) ok, we did not begin as humans Ash
(01:28:54) (Blu_Host) We began as Co-Creators with God
(01:29:09) (diane) does it mean we separated from our creator (our souls did), before the material plane was even created?
(01:29:13) (Blu_Host) did that help?
(01:29:27) (ash) the separation deity and souls
(01:29:28) (Blu_Host) yes, Diane that is what it means
(01:29:28) (WalksInSpirit) We're Spiritual Beings, first & foremost. Thus, we operate in Spirit World. In Spirit World, physical "laws" do not apply. :-)
(01:29:33) (patricia) i think that is how it went diane
(01:29:57) (Blu_Host) but it was not an instant separation, it evolved, like someone who slowly looses touch with reality
(01:30:21) (Blu_Host) ok with this so far?
(01:30:24) (diane) like a dementia
(01:30:31) (diane) lol
(01:30:32) (Blu_Host) yes
(01:30:57) (Blu_Host) how is that for a kicker, losing touch with an already bad reality!
(01:31:15) (diane) lol
(01:31:17) (Blu_Host) ok, let's move on
(01:31:30) (WalksInSpirit) This becomes hard to conceive in the finite mind; as does the finite mind fail to grasp the lack of or no time. Yet out of Time, Space, Patience, is it possible for the consciousness of the finite to know the infinite. 262-115
(01:31:48) (WalksInSpirit) For, while time and space are literal only to the consciousness of the finite mind, they are a part of the experience in materiality; and the presentations of same then should be of creative forces — as time, space, patience.
(01:32:04) (WalksInSpirit) For with the creating of these came the consciousness of being separated from Creative Forces, or God. 2000-3
(01:32:57) (Blu_Host) ok, do we grasp what this is saying?
(01:32:59) (diane) oh my
(01:33:53) (patricia) okay, i understand the part about time and space being part of the material experience.
(01:34:26) (Blu_Host) ok, any part we do not get?
(01:34:45) (patricia) not yet
(01:34:49) (Blu_Host) ok
(01:34:52) (Blu_Host) we shall continue
(01:34:55) (diane) without those time, space, patience...we
(01:35:09) (diane) would not know we had been separated
(01:35:14) (Blu_Host) right
(01:35:17) (Blu_Host) good
(01:35:25) (diane) sort of like our pets
(01:35:40) (WalksInSpirit) So man’s concept of the Godhead is three-dimensional — Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The communication or the activity or the motivating force we find is three-dimensional — time, space and patience. Neither of these exists in fact, except in the concept of the individual as it may apply to time or space or patience. 4035-1
(01:36:05) (WalksInSpirit) Man finds himself a body, a mind, a soul. ... The soul or the spiritual portion is hoped for, and one may only discern same from a spiritual consciousness.
(01:37:06) (Blu_Host) ok, are we understanding this so far?
(01:37:28) (patricia) yes
(01:37:45) (diane) hmmm, it seems to be saying that the soul is hoped for
(01:37:50) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The body, the mind and the soul are as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit — just as infinity in its expression to the finite mind is expressed in time, space and patience. These are exercised in the consciousness, and yet only the spiritually discerning may interpret. Spiritually there becomes no time or space, for they — like the Father — are one. But in man’s application they become as one, in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. 2879-1
(01:38:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. 2879-1
(01:38:55) (Blu_Host) The soul or the spiritual portion is hoped for, and one may only discern same from a spiritual consciousness.
(01:38:59) (patricia) okay, let me think on that a moment. didn't get it
(01:39:34) (Blu_Host) We are taught we have a soul, but many do not see or recognize it
(01:39:56) (Blu_Host) because they are not conscious of it
(01:40:21) (diane) not necessarily are we taught that we have a soul, Blu
(01:40:37) (patricia) man, it sure takes a lot of patience to figure this out. lol
(01:40:49) (diane) Sure Does!
(01:41:07) (Blu_Host) questions? thoughts?
(01:41:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And if we are taught that we have a soul, it's an [IT] and we're never taught to be in touch with it.
(01:41:27) (diane) I think the hang up is....drum roll
(01:41:42) (diane) Time can be measured and so can space
(01:41:58) (diane) patience can't be weighed or measured
(01:42:35) (Blu_Host) Isn't it funny that the ONE thing that can't be measured, is the one thing that truly exists!
(01:43:10) (diane) and our physical selves are finite...we seem to need those measurements in the physical world
(01:43:25) (Blu_Host) ok, one thing you nee to think about is that all of these things work together to create the third dimension
(01:43:55) (Blu_Host) one with out the other would be 2 dimensions
(01:44:04) (diane) ok...patience is a virtue...it comes from the H. Spirit
(01:44:24) (Blu_Host) ok, now Diane you are jumping a head here
(01:44:26) (diane) it's either, i forgot, a gift, or one of the fruits of the spirit
(01:44:31) (Blu_Host) we will define patience soon enough
(01:44:42) (diane) alrighty..
(01:44:45) (Blu_Host) you are right
(01:45:07) (diane) but...
(01:45:12) (Blu_Host) but that is what we are struggling to figure out, what is patience and why is it a part of the third dimension
(01:45:18) (Blu_Host) but?
(01:45:28) (patricia) Cayce Sid it is the most beautiful of all virtues and the least understood in reading 2448-2
(01:45:34) (Blu_Host) right
(01:45:46) (patricia) right Blu
(01:45:49) (diane) Yeah...that's a toughy...Oh, i was just waiting for your "but"
(01:45:57) (Blu_Host) and it may be a different meaning than what we are taught in scripture
(01:46:05) (Blu_Host) oh
(01:46:05) (Blu_Host) ok
(01:46:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Hence as the Master has said, unless we become even as He, we may not in any wise enter in.
(01:46:34) (Blu_Host) we continue
(01:46:51) (patricia) i understand how it can be called a virtue, but a dimension.....? unless that by possesing a quality of patience puts us into another state of being.
(01:46:55) (Blu_Host) we will get there Patricia
(01:47:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Enter to what? To the consciousness that our Father would that we be even as that Spirit of Truth manifested by the Son of Righteousness, that — even as those souls took on flesh in this three-dimensional world; becoming a part, a parcel of what?
(01:47:10) (Blu_Host) I want to be sure we understand all that is said so far
(01:47:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Those kingdoms of which the earth is a part; or that by their very presence is in existence.
(01:47:31) (patricia) okay, sorry Blu. i will try to be patient. lol
(01:47:36) (Blu_Host) lol
(01:47:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Hence we find He had come, is come, ever has come into the experience that He might through love — not force, not hate, not by command but by edification and justification — bring that soul that is dominated by the Spirit to understanding.
(01:48:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Thus we find His intervention in man’s attempt throughout the eons of time and space. For these (time and space) become portions of this three-dimensional plane. And what is the other? Time, Space, Patience!
(01:48:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) For God has shown and does show us day by day, even as His Son gave, that in patience we become aware of our souls, of our identity, of our being each a corpuscle, as it were, in the great body, in the heart of, our God.
(01:49:16) (Blu_Host) ok, so you see that we need patience for us to even become aware of our souls
(01:49:20) (patricia) okay, there it is. that is what i am looking for
(01:49:51) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I like that. We're corpuscles in God's heart. :-)
(01:50:05) (Blu_Host) explain Patricia
(01:51:34) (Blu_Host) tell me what you mean Patricia
(01:51:57) (patricia) well, it just became clear to me. the phrase that in patience we become aware of our souls of our identity. it is something i will acquire as i align my self with the God force. i always thought that it was something that i needed to work and work to acquire.
(01:52:07) (patricia) does that make any sense?
(01:52:11) (Blu_Host) yes
(01:52:17) (diane) yes
(01:52:33) (Blu_Host) ok, then we will continue
(01:52:40) (Blu_Host) we have a lot more to see
(01:53:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Then what is the Spirit of God? Patience, time and space in the material understanding.
(01:53:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This then is our first Premise; that God is — in the material experience of man — time, space, and patience!
(01:53:39) (Host-WalksInSpirit) For have not even our own wise ones conceived that those elements between that which is and that which will be are of the same? What? God, the Spirit! 262-114
(01:54:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) As to the sources, then — as to the records, then:
(01:54:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Each soul, each entity makes upon time and space — through patience recording same — that as may be indeed the record of the intent and purposes, as well as the material manifestations of the entity through its sojourn in materiality. 1681-1
(01:54:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Each soul — as it manifests in the earth — is body, mind and spirit; just as there is in the Godhead the God the father, God the mind, God the holy spirit. These — as Father, Son and Holy Ghost — are one. These terms of expression are used in this three-dimensional world.
(01:54:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) For, the earth-consciousness rarely conceives of that which may not be of a three-dimensional nature. The fourth and fifth dimensions may be spoken of, but as to their proofs — to most, and even to this entity at times — these are hazy.
(01:55:42) (patricia) yes, i have often wondered how there could be a forth dimension. my thinking was all wrong. of course
(01:56:06) (Blu_Host) LOL, that is another topic !
(01:56:22) (Blu_Host) 4th and 5th can be discussed after we get this one down!
(01:56:27) (patricia) i am sure it is. one always leads to another.
(01:56:40) (Blu_Host) ok, do we understand this so far?
(01:56:44) (Blu_Host) questions?
(01:56:57) (patricia) no,
(01:56:59) (diane) Wow...intent and purpose are on record
(01:57:07) (Blu_Host) yep
(01:57:08) (patricia) i mean no questions. maam
(01:57:12) (Blu_Host) lol
(01:57:15) (diane) along w/physical manifestations
(01:57:29) (Blu_Host) right o Diane!
(01:57:47) (diane) wow...it's like our conscience is out there to see
(01:58:03) (Blu_Host) it is, in the Akashic record
(01:58:22) (Blu_Host) and in the closer spheres
(01:58:29) (Blu_Host) ok, let’s move on
(01:58:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And folks wonder how psychics know what they know! ;-)
(01:58:59) (Blu_Host) let me explain this while we are mentioning it
(01:59:16) (diane) explain, Blu
(01:59:51) (Blu_Host) sometimes psychics like Edgar were mistaken because instead of reading what a person actually did, they read about what a person thought about doing
(02:00:04) (Blu_Host) because thoughts are things
(02:00:19) (Blu_Host) and they are in a very close layer of existence with us
(02:00:34) (Blu_Host) very hard for a psychic to determine the difference
(02:00:45) (Blu_Host) a thought form
(02:01:01) (Blu_Host) ok?
(02:01:05) (diane) ok
(02:01:13) (Blu_Host) let's move on then
(02:01:17) (patricia) ok

[WalksInSpirit]

Thursday Afternoon Chat: 08-11-05

"Patience," Part Two

(02:01:20) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yet, as one finds self as a shadow, or as a representative of that indicated in the eternal — one may ask, what is the source of this association or connection?
(02:01:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is time, space and patience that bridges that distance. These are man’s concept of the spirit of God manifesting to the three-dimensional consciousness.
(02:01:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Hence the records of each entity are recorded upon time and space, and in patience may be interpreted to the entity; to be used constructively, not as something of which to boast or to make shortcuts.
(02:02:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) For, there are no shortcuts in patience. There are no shortcuts in time or space, when conceived in the mental and spiritual aspect. 2771-1
(02:02:22) (Blu_Host) ok, let's stop here a moment
(02:02:28) (Blu_Host) what is this saying?
(02:02:34) (patricia) wow, cool. way cool!
(02:03:19) (Blu_Host) it is almost like time and space are attributes of patience
(02:03:42) (patricia) that in patience we will begin to understand our relationship to our Creator. maybe?
(02:04:00) (Blu_Host) patience is an attribute of God, like love and perfection
(02:04:06) (Blu_Host) yes
(02:04:10) (patricia) yes, i see that
(02:04:13) (Blu_Host) right Patricia
(02:04:24) (diane) when we pray or meditate, we need patience to hear God
(02:04:25) (Blu_Host) ok, now that is the end of that reading
(02:04:29) (patricia) it is becoming much clearer now.
(02:04:32) (Blu_Host) we have more to help us understand
(02:05:05) (Blu_Host) ok but patience is not merely waiting, which we shall see
(02:05:32) (diane) true
(02:05:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Patience>> in Cayce’s words is “the impelling influence.” In reading 451-3 Cayce says: “‘In << patience>> possess ye your souls.’ … not as of toleration; for tolerance and << patience>> are as opposite as hate and brotherly love in their field of activity.
(02:06:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) For, << patience>> is becoming aware of that which is the impelling influence in thine experience, while tolerance is as holding your tongue when you want to say something bad!
(02:06:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Then…these will not only aid in creating greater influence in the experience but will make for joyousness in the everyday activities of life.”
(02:06:51) (patricia) okay, now i find i didn't even understand tolerance. sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!1
(02:06:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) - Gladys Taylor McGarey, M.D., M.D.(H), a homeopathic physician, is coauthor of The Physician Within You and the lead physician at the Scottsdale Holistic Medical Group in Scottsdale, Arizona.
(02:06:59) (Blu_Host) LOL
(02:06:59) (diane) patience can feel physical when you are coping with children, for instance
(02:07:21) (Blu_Host) ok, do we see that "Patience" = awareness?
(02:07:36) (diane) definitely
(02:07:41) (patricia) yes, diane that is the way i was thinking of patience. in our day to day dealings with others.
(02:08:03) (Blu_Host) patience is becoming aware of
(02:08:15) (Blu_Host) so patience is also an action
(02:08:19) (diane) when you excercise it...it's a physical trial, or can be
(02:08:29) (Blu_Host) it is almost as if it is "insight"
(02:08:41) (Blu_Host) no Diane, that is tolerance
(02:08:42) (patricia) i would lose my temper with one of the kids or maybe someone at work and then i would feel as if i failed. i would think well i didn't get patience today.
(02:09:09) (Blu_Host) when you are gritting your teeth, and tolerating, that is not patience
(02:09:32) (patricia) i had a whole other concept of tolerance.
(02:09:38) (Blu_Host) patience is the awareness that God is moving and acting, and we are in accord with that action
(02:10:05) (diane) i think i mean....there are physical reminders...keep a quiet voice, open your listening center
(02:10:23) (diane) when you really wanna Blow Up!
(02:10:54) (Blu_Host) lol
(02:10:57) (diane) Ok...I see where you brought God into the equation
(02:11:03) (Blu_Host) ok, now we have more
(02:11:18) (Blu_Host) hang on , be tolerant, it will become clearer
(02:12:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) READING 262-114
(02:12:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 29. Thus as has been indicated, the Spirit pushed into matter - and became what we see in our three-dimensional world as the kingdoms of the earth; the mineral, the vegetable, the animal - a three-dimensional world.
(02:13:26) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 30. And that which beareth witness is the Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of Light. For He said, "Let there be light; and there was light."
(02:13:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 31. Then indeed there is no power that emanates that is not from God.
(02:13:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 32. Then what is this Spirit of Rebellion, what is this Spirit of Hate? What is this Spirit of Self-Indulgence? What is this Spirit that makes men afraid?
(02:14:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 33. SELFISHNESS! Allowed, yes, of the Father. For, as given, He has not willed that the souls should perish but that we each should know the truth - and the truth would make us free. Of what? Selfishness!
(02:14:39) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 34. Then we should each know that the sin which lies at our door is ever the sin of selfishness, self-glory, self-honor.
(02:14:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 35. Hence as the Master has said, unless we become even as He, we may not in ANY wise enter in.
(02:15:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 36. Enter to what? To the consciousness that our Father would that we be even as that Spirit of Truth manifested by the Son of Righteousness, that - even as those souls took on flesh in this three-dimensional world; becoming a part, a parcel of what? Those kingdoms of which the earth is a part; or that by their very presence is in existence.
(02:15:22) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 37. Hence we find He had come, is come, ever has come into the experience that He might through love - not force, not hate, not by command but by edification and justification - bring that soul that is dominated by the Spirit to understanding.
(02:16:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 38. Thus we find His intervention in man's attempt throughout the eons of time and space. For these (time and space) become portions of this three-dimensional plane. And what is the other? Time, Space, Patience!
(02:17:31) (diane) now i am waiting for the connection (selfishness/patience) Does patience bring self-less-ness?
(02:17:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 39. For God has shown and does show us day by day, even as His Son gave, that in patience we become aware of our souls, of our identity, of our being each a corpuscle, as it were, in the great body, in the heart of, our God. And He has not willed otherwise.
(02:18:00) (diane) ok
(02:18:03) (Blu_Host) yes it does
(02:18:21) (patricia) yep, that is making it very clear to me
(02:18:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 40. Then what is the Spirit of God? PATIENCE, TIME AND SPACE in the material understanding.
(02:19:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 41. This then is our first premise; that God IS - in the material experience of man - TIME, SPACE, PATIENCE!
(02:19:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 42. For have not even our own wise ones conceived that those elements between that which is and that which will be are of the same? What? God, the Spirit!
(02:19:33) (Roz) patience as a manifested idea
(02:20:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 43. We in our seeking then have seen the movements in the earth, by the very activities of those influences, by what? "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Either to do good or to do evil, according to our individual application of the Spirit of Truth or of Creative Force in our material experience.
(02:20:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 44. Who then is the aggressor? He that seeks to glorify self, to make the selfish motives guide the progress.
(02:21:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 45. And as has so oft been given in times past, God has winked at and God has allowed such things to pass; yet ever is calling - calling - to the sons of God; that we make straight the paths! For He will not ALWAYS hold to those things that rend the heart of God.
(02:21:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 46. For when we are raised in power we know, as we have seen, that our spirit beareth witness with HIS SPIRIT that we are His children.
(02:22:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 47. What then is the Spirit of Patriotism, the Spirit of Christ - yes, the Spirit of Knowledge, but that - as they are individualized by the activity of those that seek to know and make the paths straight -
(02:22:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) they take on that power, that might, yes that glory, that is the magnifying of that Spirit of Truth that is God in any individual group, nation or experience of man?
(02:23:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 48. These then become those basic beginnings.
(02:23:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 49. Now we, in our individual selves, seek - for what? Self- glory, self-understanding; or that we may be in His place as an emissary, a missionary, a CHANNEL through which OTHERS, too, may know that the consciousness of Christ is but that we have effaced self and are again one with Him - to be a purpose in the scheme of redemption for those souls whose spirits are a portion of the God as ourselves?
(02:23:50) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 50. Let us indeed know then that God is not mocked, and that what we sow we must meet in our own selves. For He calls always unto all men to Come - COME - and take of the water of life.
(02:24:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 51. What is this water of life? What is this that the Spirit and the Bride, or the Spirit and the Lamb, say to come and take of freely?
(02:24:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) 52. PATIENCE, TIME, SPACE! That we may know ourselves to be His; that our spirits, our souls, bear witness in the things that we do in which we bear witness of Him.
(02:24:45) (Host-WalksInSpirit) From Edgar Cayce Reading #262-114
(02:25:35) (Blu_Host) ok questions? thoughts?
(02:26:57) (diane) I'm interested to know, wis, how to apply the information. How to train ourselves to think of patience as a dimension
(02:26:59) (patricia) i think that i have not been patient enough with myself. I need to understand that patience will come as i grow toward and understanding of my relationship with Him
(02:27:18) (Blu_Host) ok, now we have an example
(02:27:25) (Blu_Host) I think this will help
(02:27:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) ... love good, love honor, love patience. For divine love may bring the knowledge, the understanding, the wisdom for the activities to bring the self in accord with Creative Forces
(02:27:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Reading 1215-4
(02:27:49) (diane) i'm thinking of a journey on a train, moving thru space , thinking of time of arrival
(02:28:06) (diane) and having patience waiting to get there
(02:28:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Every parent's secret fear had become a reality for Thomas and Virginia. Their child had been seriously injured. A diving accident had left Tim's sixteen-year-old body traumatized. At first the doctors had held out little hope that he would even survive.
(02:28:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) But Tim had always been a headstrong fellow and his powerful will seemed to shine through as he slowly improved. But in spite of some remarkable progress, he was still left paralyzed - probably for life.
(02:28:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Thomas and Virginia's initial requests for help from Edgar Cayce were strictly medical. Unwilling to accept the doctors' prognosis, they hoped that clairvoyant insight would lead to some nontraditional remedy to restore his body.
(02:29:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) When those first three readings didn't get the results for which they desperately hoped, they turned back to Cayce for another kind of reading: one that would restore Tim's spirits.
(02:29:11) (Roz) patience is the understanding that everything is in Divine Order
(02:29:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Apparently it worked. In a feedback letter to Mr. Cayce, Thomas and Virginia reported that the life reading had turned their son around. It had shown him a way to view his own pain and disability with greater purpose. It had taught him something invaluable about the meaning of life and how he should approach the years ahead.
(02:29:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Avoiding any implication of punishment, Cayce told Tim that his paralysis offered him a chance to transform a troubled spot within his soul. As a Roman soldier in a former life, he had repeatedly watched torture and persecution, and had made light of the suffering.
(02:30:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) There was now an opportunity to meet that soul memory and to transform it. He could good naturedly make light of his own suffering whenever anyone felt sorry for him.
(02:30:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Just as important, his reading from Cayce taught him a lesson about love. Although we usually think of love as being directed toward another person, Tim was encouraged to love qualities. " ... love good, love honor, love patience." (1215-4) In other words, it's possible for any of us to become at-one with a spiritual quality. We can value it so deeply and give ourselves to it so fully that we become it.
(02:30:40) (JohnB) you have earn it before you get then it comes to patience
(02:30:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) For Tim it was three qualities in particular that he needed to learn how to love. For any of us the list might well be different. But this kind of love relation - not person-to-person, but person-to-quality - is an important part of what we're all here to learn.
(02:32:08) (Roz) grace is freely given
(02:32:10) (diane) "Love is blind" What we love in someone who is unattractive to others, must be a quality
(02:32:17) (Blu_Host) ok, now do you see that for Tim patience became an activity of awareness that allowed him to be happier?
(02:32:34) (patricia) yes, i do see that.
(02:32:46) (Blu_Host) aha, bingo
(02:32:55) (patricia) :o)
(02:32:57) (diane) Well, Blu, the suffering of Jesus brought redemption of souls
(02:33:10) (Blu_Host) because Diane?
(02:33:14) (diane) Which made mankind happier
(02:33:29) (JohnB) how is grace given? Roz
(02:33:30) (Blu_Host) why did his suffering do that Diane?
(02:33:32) (diane) Because of his love for us
(02:33:49) (Blu_Host) Yes, He loved us
(02:33:52) (JohnB) Love must blind or else would been children ? Diane
(02:33:57) (Blu_Host) but what did his suffering show us?
(02:34:12) (diane) he could have forgone that entire crucifixtion...but didn't
(02:34:18) (Blu_Host) it is the same thing Tim realized
(02:34:31) (diane) It showed us how to suffer patiently?
(02:35:18) (Roz) every,moment every day John
(02:35:22) (Blu_Host) it was the awareness that God is , and that this is a temporary existance. That we can face our past karmic self and overcome it
(02:35:34) (JohnB) but how? Roz
(02:35:52) (JohnB) forgiveness in the moment?
(02:35:59) (Roz) only have the awareness to receive it
(02:36:02) (diane) yes, Blu...i can see that
(02:36:16) (Blu_Host) Jesus said he was they way the truth and the light and no man shall come unto God except by me. and by me he meant by the way he lived his life. ie the Christ Consciousness
(02:36:32) (JohnB) what eyes do you need to it with? Roz
(02:37:01) (Blu_Host) and in the example of the cross we have patience, ie awareness
(02:37:03) (Roz) just look around you
(02:37:14) (JohnB) mine ?
(02:37:47) (Roz) of course
(02:38:07) (diane) Awareness of our short comings and selfishness, Blu?
(02:38:11) (Blu_Host) Just as Tim brought laughter to his pain, Jesus also laughed on the way to the cross
(02:38:38) (Blu_Host) more than that Diane, awareness of God with in, and the truth, that this 3 d world is not real
(02:39:14) (Blu_Host) that the only thing that is real is our immortal soul and our existance with God
(02:39:37) (diane) He was obedient to God...Not my will, but Thine be done
(02:39:43) (Blu_Host) right
(02:39:48) (Blu_Host) he set self aside
(02:40:33) (Blu_Host) ok, I hope this was of some help
(02:40:56) (patricia) yes, i think it was. thank you Blu and WIS.
(02:49:31) (diane) Great job, again, WIS