Post by WalksInSpirit on Oct 31, 2007 21:15:59 GMT -5
Wednesday Night Chat: 10-31-07
(09:26:45) (@autogreeter) Good Evening. The Red Path Chat Room welcomes you to Wednesday Night Chat, Hosted By Ron.
(09:31:58) (@rons) The word cosmogony is used to describe theories of the physical origin or generation of the universe, and many respectable scientists indulge in such conjecture. Their theories vary, but guesses concerning the unknown are considered academically acceptable when scientists are guessing.
(09:32:35) (@rons) Cosmology, on the other hand, means the philosophy of the nature and first principles of the universe. Physical scientists generally decline to comment on these unknowns, leaving such speculation to philosophers and calling it metaphysics.
(09:33:07) (@rons) by the way, this is taken from Astrology of the Soul
(09:33:45) (@rons) But why was the universe made? What is the meaning behind the creation of so many suns and solar systems, stars, galaxies, nebulae? What is the purpose of our own solar system? Are there others with the same purpose?
(09:34:19) (@rons) What is the relationship of our own solar system to others? And most important to us: What is our relationship to these various systems? Or why, essentially, do we exist?
(09:34:49) (shelley) to celebrate Halloween???
(09:34:56) (@rons) These are questions that preoccupy the philosopher and theologian alike, and the answers are suggested in the life readings given by Edgar Cayce. In these records humanity's relationship to its solar system is shown as a plan for soul evolution that is vast and inspiring in scope.
(09:35:08) (@rons) eat your candy...
(09:35:13) (shelley) ty
(09:38:51) (@rons) According to this information, humans are very personally related to their limited universe, our solar system. We are caught up in its purpose, and it is involved in our purpose for being here.
(09:39:18) (@rons) There is interaction between individuals on Earth and the planets, Sun, and Moon. We influence them, they influence us. This influence is somewhat different from what is taught by traditional astrology.
(09:39:47) (@rons) For us to know something of this plan is to understand ourselves and others better. Here, the principles of the Christian ethic become intensified and very personal in meaning.
(09:40:05) (@rons) Thus, all people can be seen truly as brothers and sisters involved in the struggle for soul evolution and growth. Our solar system was created for humankind's evolution.
(09:40:28) (@rons) As has been indicated by some, ye are part and parcel of a universal consciousness or God - and thus all that is within the universal consciousness, or the universal awareness; as the stars, the planets, the sun, the moon.
(09:40:51) (@rons) Do ye rule them or they rule thee? They were made for thy own use, as an individual-yea, that is the part [they play], the thought thy Maker, thy Father-God thinks of thee.
(09:41:20) (@rons) For ye are as a corpuscle in the body of God; thus a co-creator with Him, in what ye think, in what ye do. 2794-3
(09:41:41) (@rons) The next reading becomes more specific about the influence of our solar system:
(09:41:57) (shelley) is it scary??
(09:42:05) (@rons) When the heavens and the earth came into being, this meant the universe as the inhabitants of the earth know same; yet there are many suns in the universe-those even about which our sun, our earth, revolve; and all are moving toward some place - yet space and time appear to be incomplete.
(09:42:54) (@rons) Then time and space are. but one. Yet the sun, that is the center of this particular solar system, is the center; and, as has been...known of old, it [the sun] is that about which the earth and its companion planets circulate or evolve [revolve].
(09:43:31) (@rons) The beginnings of the understanding of these [facts], and their influence upon the lives of individuals, were either thought out, evolved or interpreted by those of old, without the means of observing same as considered today necessary in order to understand.
(09:44:24) (@rons) hmmm...an inner knowledge, an understanding...they were very wise, weren't they...
(09:44:48) (@rons) way ahead of me...that is for sure
(09:45:06) (shelley) smarties they were indeed
(09:45:16) (@rons) Astronomy is considered a science, and astrology as foolishness.
(09:45:18) (shelley) ron is a smartie too
(09:45:41) (@rons) smarty pants...yes sir. I surely am
(09:45:57) (@rons) Who is correct? One [astrology] holds that because of the position of the earth, the sun, the planets, they are balanced one with another in some manner, some form, yet that they have nothing to do with man's life or the expanse of life, or the emotions of the physical being in the earth.
(09:45:58) (shelley) if you insist ok then i guess
(09:46:35) (@rons) Then why and how do the effects of the sun so influence other life in the earth and not affect man's life, man's emotions?
(09:46:56) (@rons) Because, I am the Sun...
(09:47:05) (@rons) :)
(09:47:12) (@rons) I like that one...
(09:47:32) (@rons) As the sun has been set as the ruler of this solar system, does it not appear to be reasonable that it has an effect upon the inhabitants of the earth, as well as upon plant and mineral life in the earth...
(09:47:54) (@rons) Thus we find given [in the Bible], the sun and the moon and the stars were made also - this being the attempt of the writer to convey to the individual the realization that there is an influence in their activity! For, remember, they - the sun, the moon, the planets - have their marching orders from the Divine, and they move in same.
(09:48:35) (@rons) yeah. And I got my marching orders too...so there
(09:48:51) (@rons) Man alone is given that birthright of free will. He alone may defy his God. 5757-1
(09:48:59) (shelley) cool-divine orders!!
(09:49:24) (@rons) Thus we come to the idea of the human being as a possible and actual rebel, with the need for this awareness as part of one's soul evolution; hence, the need for the solar system, for Earth lives, and planetary sojourns.
(09:49:54) (@rons) Our defiance and rebellion came about when "souls projected themselves into matter [Earth] and thus brought that conscious awareness of themselves entertaining the ability of creating without those forces of the spirit of truth." (5755-2)
(09:50:25) (@rons) They became more and more material-minded, or selfish, and lost the feeling of oneness with the Father; the pattern was flawed - the purpose for which they had been created - to be companions with the Father.
(09:50:49) (@rons) Souls had to start the long way back to Him, learning to use their minds and wills in creative instead of selfish ways, with love instead of hate, with patience and faith instead of hasty judging. These virtues were to be applied to self, in guiding one's thoughts and actions inward, as well as toward other souls.
(09:51:23) (@rons) The Earth became a "practice place" where souls were to demonstrate what they had learned in other lives, combined with lessons from other dimensions of consciousness represented by the planets when absent from the earth in these other dimensions.
(09:51:49) (@rons) Each planet represented a portion of these lessons to be learned - each a cluster of spheres or planes or vibratory dimensions of consciousness in which the soul was to dwell and become aware.
(09:52:15) (@rons) Hence we find how, as ye draw your patterns from these [the sun and planets], that they become a part of the whole [individual or solar-whole]. For ye are relatively related to all that ye have contacted in materiality [the earth], mentality, spirituality! All of these are a portion of thyself in the material plane.
(09:52:46) (@rons) In taking form [material] they become a mental body with its longings for its home, with right and righteousness [heaven].
(09:53:09) (@rons) Then that ye know as thy mental self is the form taken, with all of its variations as combined from the things it has been [has experienced] within, without, and in relationship to the activities in materiality as well as in the spheres or various consciousnesses . . . 5755-1
(09:54:08) (@rons) I'll do one more chapter...then switch to another topic
(09:54:14) (@rons) WE AFFECT THE SOLAR SYSTEM
(09:54:44) (@rons) Listeners to reading 5757 - I felt many questions in their minds and hearts about humanity's disobedience really affecting the solar system. In answers to their questions, the reading proceeded to amplify many points.
(09:55:32) (@rons) The sun, it stated, was made for the purpose of shedding light and heat upon God's children in the Earth and is of the same composition of which we are made: solid, liquid, and vapor, or the various stages of human consciousness or activity. Describing the Sun's stability, the reading states that it was:
(09:56:06) (@rons) ...commanded to march, to show forth the Lord's glory, His beauty, His mercy, His hope-yea, His patience...
(09:56:48) (@rons) Questions were asked about sunspots, and the reading stated:
(09:57:00) (@rons) ...reflected upon even the face of the sun those turmoil's and strife's that have been and that are the sin of man...
(09:57:21) (@rons) How do they [sunspots] affect man? How does a cross word affect thee? How [do] anger, jealousy, hate, animosity, affect thee as a son of God?...If thou art the recipient of same from others, thy brethren, how does it affect thee?
(09:57:44) (@rons) Much as that confusion which is caused upon the earth by that which appears as a sunspot the disruption of communications of all natures...
(09:58:01) (@rons) Then, what are the sunspots? A natural consequence of that turmoil which the sons of God in the earth reflect upon same [the sun].
(09:58:17) (@rons) Thus they oft bring confusion to those who become aware of same...
(09:58:31) (@rons) KNOW [then] that thy mind - thy MIND - is the builder! As what does thy soul appear? A spot, a blot upon the sun? or as that which giveth light unto those who sit in darkness, to those who cry aloud for hope? 5757-1
(09:59:07) (@rons) Affects the Spirit of the Sun...
(09:59:18) (@rons) :)
(09:59:35) (@rons) Changes in the universe and in the relative positions of planets, stars, and zodiac are attributed to human activity, good and bad.
(09:59:54) (@rons) As in the studies of the entity it is seen that the soul of man is a mere speck in space, yet the soul...is that vital force or activity which is everlasting.
(10:00:16) (@rons) Though the earth, though the stars, may pass away; though there may be changes in the universe as to the relative position, these are brought about by those combinations of that speck of human activity as relative to the soul's expression in any sphere of experience. 1297-1
(10:00:44) (@rons) HOW CAN ASTROLOGY HELP?
(10:00:57) (@rons) In reading 3744-4, this question was asked: "Is it proper for us to study the effects of the planets on our lives in order to better understand our tendencies and inclinations, as influenced by the planets?" The answer was a resounding yes.
(10:01:26) (@rons) When studied aright, [it is] very, very, very much so. How aright then? In that influence as is seen in the influence of the knowledge already obtained by mortal man. Give more of that into the lives, giving the understanding THAT THE WILL MUST BE THE EVER GUIDING FACTOR TO LEAD MAN ON, EVER UPWARD. 3744-4
(10:01:53) (@rons) The part that will plays in our evolution along the Christ path toward companionship with God cannot be overemphasized. The Earth is a battleground on which mental and spiritual urges from planetary sojourns meet and vanquish, or harmonize with, the emotional urges from past lives.
(10:02:19) (@rons) The umpire or arbiter in this battle, the general who marshals both sides and directs the outcome, is the will of the soul-entity. Free will is the constant, the God-spark. This fact is reiterated, from many points of view and in various languages, in the following extracts:
(10:02:55) (@rons) ...WILL, that factor which may be trained, even as the mental forces, and will, that developer in the material force, being the balance between influences...innately built or those of that karmic influence that makes for the freedom of the mental being; for in Truth one finds freedom, for he that findeth the Truth is free indeed. 1719-1
(10:03:23) (@rons) Astrological aspects may or may not become a part of the experience physically for the entity. For these are merely urges, and the will - that which designates God's creation of man from the rest of the animal world - rules as to what an individual soul does with opportunities in relationships with the fellow man. 3340-1
(10:03:48) (@rons) For will is that factor...which gives the ability to choose that as may be for the development or the retardment. For, as has so oft been indicated, there is today - now - set before each and every entity, every soul, that which is life and death, good and evil. Each entity. each soul, chooses in its manifestations. 1646-2
(10:04:13) (@rons) Not that there are not definite helps to be attained from astrology; but those who live by same the more oft are controlled rather than controlling...
(10:04:25) (ark777) thanks Ron and (((All))),..i'm very sleepy
(10:04:37) (@rons) Astrology is a fact, in most instances. But astrological aspects are but signs, symbols. NO INFLUENCE is of greater value or of greater help than the WILL of an individual.
(10:06:02) (@rons) Use such directions [from the planets] as stepping-stones. Do not let them become stumbling stones in thy experience. 815-6
(10:06:18) (@rons) It seems reasonable to believe that realms of consciousness through which souls have developed will be reflected, at least partially, in the planetary patterns of their horoscopes. If this is so, we can get clues to our mental and spiritual selves by studying this record of choices.
(10:06:58) (@rons) END with this topic...for this week...I have some interesting sign interpretations that might catch some attention
(09:31:58) (@rons) The word cosmogony is used to describe theories of the physical origin or generation of the universe, and many respectable scientists indulge in such conjecture. Their theories vary, but guesses concerning the unknown are considered academically acceptable when scientists are guessing.
(09:32:35) (@rons) Cosmology, on the other hand, means the philosophy of the nature and first principles of the universe. Physical scientists generally decline to comment on these unknowns, leaving such speculation to philosophers and calling it metaphysics.
(09:33:07) (@rons) by the way, this is taken from Astrology of the Soul
(09:33:45) (@rons) But why was the universe made? What is the meaning behind the creation of so many suns and solar systems, stars, galaxies, nebulae? What is the purpose of our own solar system? Are there others with the same purpose?
(09:34:19) (@rons) What is the relationship of our own solar system to others? And most important to us: What is our relationship to these various systems? Or why, essentially, do we exist?
(09:34:49) (shelley) to celebrate Halloween???
(09:34:56) (@rons) These are questions that preoccupy the philosopher and theologian alike, and the answers are suggested in the life readings given by Edgar Cayce. In these records humanity's relationship to its solar system is shown as a plan for soul evolution that is vast and inspiring in scope.
(09:35:08) (@rons) eat your candy...
(09:35:13) (shelley) ty
(09:38:51) (@rons) According to this information, humans are very personally related to their limited universe, our solar system. We are caught up in its purpose, and it is involved in our purpose for being here.
(09:39:18) (@rons) There is interaction between individuals on Earth and the planets, Sun, and Moon. We influence them, they influence us. This influence is somewhat different from what is taught by traditional astrology.
(09:39:47) (@rons) For us to know something of this plan is to understand ourselves and others better. Here, the principles of the Christian ethic become intensified and very personal in meaning.
(09:40:05) (@rons) Thus, all people can be seen truly as brothers and sisters involved in the struggle for soul evolution and growth. Our solar system was created for humankind's evolution.
(09:40:28) (@rons) As has been indicated by some, ye are part and parcel of a universal consciousness or God - and thus all that is within the universal consciousness, or the universal awareness; as the stars, the planets, the sun, the moon.
(09:40:51) (@rons) Do ye rule them or they rule thee? They were made for thy own use, as an individual-yea, that is the part [they play], the thought thy Maker, thy Father-God thinks of thee.
(09:41:20) (@rons) For ye are as a corpuscle in the body of God; thus a co-creator with Him, in what ye think, in what ye do. 2794-3
(09:41:41) (@rons) The next reading becomes more specific about the influence of our solar system:
(09:41:57) (shelley) is it scary??
(09:42:05) (@rons) When the heavens and the earth came into being, this meant the universe as the inhabitants of the earth know same; yet there are many suns in the universe-those even about which our sun, our earth, revolve; and all are moving toward some place - yet space and time appear to be incomplete.
(09:42:54) (@rons) Then time and space are. but one. Yet the sun, that is the center of this particular solar system, is the center; and, as has been...known of old, it [the sun] is that about which the earth and its companion planets circulate or evolve [revolve].
(09:43:31) (@rons) The beginnings of the understanding of these [facts], and their influence upon the lives of individuals, were either thought out, evolved or interpreted by those of old, without the means of observing same as considered today necessary in order to understand.
(09:44:24) (@rons) hmmm...an inner knowledge, an understanding...they were very wise, weren't they...
(09:44:48) (@rons) way ahead of me...that is for sure
(09:45:06) (shelley) smarties they were indeed
(09:45:16) (@rons) Astronomy is considered a science, and astrology as foolishness.
(09:45:18) (shelley) ron is a smartie too
(09:45:41) (@rons) smarty pants...yes sir. I surely am
(09:45:57) (@rons) Who is correct? One [astrology] holds that because of the position of the earth, the sun, the planets, they are balanced one with another in some manner, some form, yet that they have nothing to do with man's life or the expanse of life, or the emotions of the physical being in the earth.
(09:45:58) (shelley) if you insist ok then i guess
(09:46:35) (@rons) Then why and how do the effects of the sun so influence other life in the earth and not affect man's life, man's emotions?
(09:46:56) (@rons) Because, I am the Sun...
(09:47:05) (@rons) :)
(09:47:12) (@rons) I like that one...
(09:47:32) (@rons) As the sun has been set as the ruler of this solar system, does it not appear to be reasonable that it has an effect upon the inhabitants of the earth, as well as upon plant and mineral life in the earth...
(09:47:54) (@rons) Thus we find given [in the Bible], the sun and the moon and the stars were made also - this being the attempt of the writer to convey to the individual the realization that there is an influence in their activity! For, remember, they - the sun, the moon, the planets - have their marching orders from the Divine, and they move in same.
(09:48:35) (@rons) yeah. And I got my marching orders too...so there
(09:48:51) (@rons) Man alone is given that birthright of free will. He alone may defy his God. 5757-1
(09:48:59) (shelley) cool-divine orders!!
(09:49:24) (@rons) Thus we come to the idea of the human being as a possible and actual rebel, with the need for this awareness as part of one's soul evolution; hence, the need for the solar system, for Earth lives, and planetary sojourns.
(09:49:54) (@rons) Our defiance and rebellion came about when "souls projected themselves into matter [Earth] and thus brought that conscious awareness of themselves entertaining the ability of creating without those forces of the spirit of truth." (5755-2)
(09:50:25) (@rons) They became more and more material-minded, or selfish, and lost the feeling of oneness with the Father; the pattern was flawed - the purpose for which they had been created - to be companions with the Father.
(09:50:49) (@rons) Souls had to start the long way back to Him, learning to use their minds and wills in creative instead of selfish ways, with love instead of hate, with patience and faith instead of hasty judging. These virtues were to be applied to self, in guiding one's thoughts and actions inward, as well as toward other souls.
(09:51:23) (@rons) The Earth became a "practice place" where souls were to demonstrate what they had learned in other lives, combined with lessons from other dimensions of consciousness represented by the planets when absent from the earth in these other dimensions.
(09:51:49) (@rons) Each planet represented a portion of these lessons to be learned - each a cluster of spheres or planes or vibratory dimensions of consciousness in which the soul was to dwell and become aware.
(09:52:15) (@rons) Hence we find how, as ye draw your patterns from these [the sun and planets], that they become a part of the whole [individual or solar-whole]. For ye are relatively related to all that ye have contacted in materiality [the earth], mentality, spirituality! All of these are a portion of thyself in the material plane.
(09:52:46) (@rons) In taking form [material] they become a mental body with its longings for its home, with right and righteousness [heaven].
(09:53:09) (@rons) Then that ye know as thy mental self is the form taken, with all of its variations as combined from the things it has been [has experienced] within, without, and in relationship to the activities in materiality as well as in the spheres or various consciousnesses . . . 5755-1
(09:54:08) (@rons) I'll do one more chapter...then switch to another topic
(09:54:14) (@rons) WE AFFECT THE SOLAR SYSTEM
(09:54:44) (@rons) Listeners to reading 5757 - I felt many questions in their minds and hearts about humanity's disobedience really affecting the solar system. In answers to their questions, the reading proceeded to amplify many points.
(09:55:32) (@rons) The sun, it stated, was made for the purpose of shedding light and heat upon God's children in the Earth and is of the same composition of which we are made: solid, liquid, and vapor, or the various stages of human consciousness or activity. Describing the Sun's stability, the reading states that it was:
(09:56:06) (@rons) ...commanded to march, to show forth the Lord's glory, His beauty, His mercy, His hope-yea, His patience...
(09:56:48) (@rons) Questions were asked about sunspots, and the reading stated:
(09:57:00) (@rons) ...reflected upon even the face of the sun those turmoil's and strife's that have been and that are the sin of man...
(09:57:21) (@rons) How do they [sunspots] affect man? How does a cross word affect thee? How [do] anger, jealousy, hate, animosity, affect thee as a son of God?...If thou art the recipient of same from others, thy brethren, how does it affect thee?
(09:57:44) (@rons) Much as that confusion which is caused upon the earth by that which appears as a sunspot the disruption of communications of all natures...
(09:58:01) (@rons) Then, what are the sunspots? A natural consequence of that turmoil which the sons of God in the earth reflect upon same [the sun].
(09:58:17) (@rons) Thus they oft bring confusion to those who become aware of same...
(09:58:31) (@rons) KNOW [then] that thy mind - thy MIND - is the builder! As what does thy soul appear? A spot, a blot upon the sun? or as that which giveth light unto those who sit in darkness, to those who cry aloud for hope? 5757-1
(09:59:07) (@rons) Affects the Spirit of the Sun...
(09:59:18) (@rons) :)
(09:59:35) (@rons) Changes in the universe and in the relative positions of planets, stars, and zodiac are attributed to human activity, good and bad.
(09:59:54) (@rons) As in the studies of the entity it is seen that the soul of man is a mere speck in space, yet the soul...is that vital force or activity which is everlasting.
(10:00:16) (@rons) Though the earth, though the stars, may pass away; though there may be changes in the universe as to the relative position, these are brought about by those combinations of that speck of human activity as relative to the soul's expression in any sphere of experience. 1297-1
(10:00:44) (@rons) HOW CAN ASTROLOGY HELP?
(10:00:57) (@rons) In reading 3744-4, this question was asked: "Is it proper for us to study the effects of the planets on our lives in order to better understand our tendencies and inclinations, as influenced by the planets?" The answer was a resounding yes.
(10:01:26) (@rons) When studied aright, [it is] very, very, very much so. How aright then? In that influence as is seen in the influence of the knowledge already obtained by mortal man. Give more of that into the lives, giving the understanding THAT THE WILL MUST BE THE EVER GUIDING FACTOR TO LEAD MAN ON, EVER UPWARD. 3744-4
(10:01:53) (@rons) The part that will plays in our evolution along the Christ path toward companionship with God cannot be overemphasized. The Earth is a battleground on which mental and spiritual urges from planetary sojourns meet and vanquish, or harmonize with, the emotional urges from past lives.
(10:02:19) (@rons) The umpire or arbiter in this battle, the general who marshals both sides and directs the outcome, is the will of the soul-entity. Free will is the constant, the God-spark. This fact is reiterated, from many points of view and in various languages, in the following extracts:
(10:02:55) (@rons) ...WILL, that factor which may be trained, even as the mental forces, and will, that developer in the material force, being the balance between influences...innately built or those of that karmic influence that makes for the freedom of the mental being; for in Truth one finds freedom, for he that findeth the Truth is free indeed. 1719-1
(10:03:23) (@rons) Astrological aspects may or may not become a part of the experience physically for the entity. For these are merely urges, and the will - that which designates God's creation of man from the rest of the animal world - rules as to what an individual soul does with opportunities in relationships with the fellow man. 3340-1
(10:03:48) (@rons) For will is that factor...which gives the ability to choose that as may be for the development or the retardment. For, as has so oft been indicated, there is today - now - set before each and every entity, every soul, that which is life and death, good and evil. Each entity. each soul, chooses in its manifestations. 1646-2
(10:04:13) (@rons) Not that there are not definite helps to be attained from astrology; but those who live by same the more oft are controlled rather than controlling...
(10:04:25) (ark777) thanks Ron and (((All))),..i'm very sleepy
(10:04:37) (@rons) Astrology is a fact, in most instances. But astrological aspects are but signs, symbols. NO INFLUENCE is of greater value or of greater help than the WILL of an individual.
(10:06:02) (@rons) Use such directions [from the planets] as stepping-stones. Do not let them become stumbling stones in thy experience. 815-6
(10:06:18) (@rons) It seems reasonable to believe that realms of consciousness through which souls have developed will be reflected, at least partially, in the planetary patterns of their horoscopes. If this is so, we can get clues to our mental and spiritual selves by studying this record of choices.
(10:06:58) (@rons) END with this topic...for this week...I have some interesting sign interpretations that might catch some attention