Post by WalksInSpirit on Oct 2, 2006 21:58:15 GMT -5
Monday Night Chat: 10-02-06
(09:31:27) (Bill) well folks guess we can get under way
(09:31:37) (Bill) Father, God, in Thy mercy, in Thy love, be Thou with us now. For we know and we speak of Thy love. And help us then to put away, for the hour, the cares of this life; that we may know in truth that the spirit and the lamb say, “Come.” Let them that hear also say “Come.” Let all that will, come and drink of the Water of life. (262-113.) Amen
(09:31:43) (Lory) Amen
(09:31:47) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:31:59) (merri) Amen
(09:32:16) (oz) Amen
(09:32:17) (ron) amen
(09:32:27) (gilly) amen
(09:33:25) (Bill) THE RIVER of TIME Part 1
(09:33:39) (Bill) PREFACE: The material for this study book is drawn from the psychic readings of Edgar Cayce received during a period of forty years of his life. Over 14,000 of these readings are at the Foundation headquarters at Virginia Beach, Virginia. The point of view expressed in the use of this material is that of the present compiler.
(09:33:56) (Leon) Let this energy of the God Spirit be expressed while we maintain the beauty in the world around us, and develop the beauty within us.
(09:34:12) (Bill) TY Leon
(09:34:14) (Leon) amen
(09:34:21) (Bill) *( Quotations from the Edgar Cayce readings are clearly distinguishable from the rest of the text and are given verbatim. Where words or phrases are added, they are enclosed in brackets ~~ (thus ).
(09:34:46) (Bill) Through a study of this information, we begin to gain a concept of ourselves as Sons of God, as souls, and as man. We may become aware of a philosophy that introduces a vast panorama of solar and universal evolution in which man plays many parts.
(09:35:27) (Bill) As our solar system evolved into that which God had imaged, the elements ~~ fire, earth, air, and water ~~ were chosen for the earth’s creation, and the mists began to gather. So began earth’s sphere of influence, and our infant planet was set upon its evolutionary pathway.
(09:35:59) (Bill) “The worlds were created and are still in creation in this heterogeneous mass as is called the outer sphere, or those portions as man looks up to in space. The mists that are gathering. What’s the beginning of this? In this same beginning so began the earth’s sphere. (900-340.)”
(09:36:41) (Bill) As we pursue this line of thinking it becomes apparent that the earth, even in its nebulous form, drew the Sons of God into its creations. As Sons of God they were co-workers with Him and active in all His creations. The Sons of Lucifer, those Sons of God who had turned away from their Creator, came also into these solar realms and participated in their activity.
(09:37:26) (Bill) Book One in this series of writing, ‘Before The Beginning’, took up the creation and history of the soul in its spiritual evolution as given in the Edgar Cayce readings in correlation with the Book of Genesis, Chapter I, and Chapter II to an including the 7th verse:
(09:37:53) (Bill) ‘And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.’
(09:38:11) (Bill) To understand fully how man became a living soul, it will be well to study this first work as a prelude to the present one.
(09:38:55) (Bill) “In man’s analysis and understanding of himself it is as well to know from whence he came as to know whither he is going. (5753-1).”
(09:39:10) (Bill) Whence came man, and whither does he go?
(09:39:18) (Bill) CHAPTER I: This narrative begins with Genesis 2:7, and relates the manner in which the soul took up its material expression.
(09:39:50) (Bill) To gain a clear understanding of the manner of the advent of man into the planet earth, let us look far, far backward, to the beginning of the formation of this sphere and its sister planets, which make up our solar system. They were not created solely for man, as is the generally accepted concept, nor were they created within the six days and nights as we measure time.
(09:39:56) (Lory) Excuse me Bill.
(09:40:20) (Bill) possibly
(09:40:35) (Lory) We were through Day III last week.
(09:41:01) (Bill) where we suppose to be?
(09:41:25) (Bill) finished IV last wk.
(09:41:27) (Lory) I don't know for sure. But if we were would we not start tonight with Day IV?
(09:41:47) (Lory) Then we should start tonight with day V tonight.
(09:42:27) (Bill) i'll check and see if i can find it
(09:43:07) (Lory) Sorry for the interruption chatters. But did we not go through Day IV last week?
(09:43:55) (oz) i haven't been here so i'm not sure
(09:43:58) (WalksInSpirit) I'm sorry. I missed last week. :-(
(09:44:11) (merri) don't remember what it was labeled Lory
(09:46:39) (Bill) Their creation took place with that of many millions emerging as an expression of the inexhaustible creativity of God. The six days and nights symbolize states of consciousness and evolvement manifested in the diversity of creation. The following excerpts from the Edgar Cayce readings give an insight into the time element:
(09:47:23) (Bill) “First that of a mass about which there arose the ‘mist’ and then the rising of same with the light breaking over that, as it settled itself as a companion of others in the universe ~~ as it began its natural (or now natural) rotations . . . slowly receding or gathering closer to the sun from which it received its impetus . . . (364-6, A-4.”
(09:48:04) (Bill) “Q-3: It is given in my first life reading that my first appearance on earth was when the Sons of God came together to reason in the elements as to the appearance of man in physical form on earth’s plane. Explain what is meant by the Sons of God and how they came to reason about man’s appearance on earth.
(09:48:50) (Bill) “A-3: In the evolution of those conditions relating to the development upon earth’s plane, and the time came for the dwelling of man in physical forces, the Sons of God came together. (137-13).”
(09:49:30) (Bill) “God moved, the spirit came into activity. In moving it brought light, and then chaos. In this light came creation of that which in the earth came to be matter; in the spheres about the earth, space and time; and in patience it has evolved through those activities until there are the heavens and all the constellations, the stars, the universe as it is known, or sought to be known, by the individual soul-entities in the material plane. (3508-1).”
(09:50:23) (Bill) Little by little it cooled. Many souls entered while it was still in a gaseous state. The Sons of God came together to reason in the elements as co-workers with God. They chose the four elements, fire, water, earth, and air for their expression as man. They were co-creators that helped establish the jewel centers of the earth through which the spiritual forces of evolution would flow.
(09:51:10) (Bill) These centers relate or correspond to the ductless glands of our fleshly bodies which receive and distribute the spiritual and mental forces throughout the body of man.
(09:51:53) (Bill) These centers react to the Christ consciousness beamed to them by the Son (Sun) and to the influences from each sister planet. These rays carry currents of life-giving forces necessary for man’s indwelling in the earth.
(09:52:33) (Bill) Let us look back, at this point, to the spiritual beginning as given in ‘Before the Beginning’ and review briefly the six days of development recorded in Genesis. All creations were imaged first in spirit, as God is Spirit, and unfolded in the material world according to their particular evolutionary image or pattern.
(09:54:44) (Bill) Let us look back, at this point, to the spiritual beginning as given in ‘Before the Beginning’ and review briefly the six days of development recorded in Genesis. All creations were imaged first in spirit, as God is Spirit, and unfolded in the material world according to their particular evolutionary image or pattern.
(09:55:33) (Bill) “Then came the earth materially, through the spirit pushing itself into matter. Spirit was individualized, and then became what we recognize in one another as individual entities. Spirit that uses matter, that uses every influence in the earth’s environ for the glory of the Creative Forces, partakes of and is a part of the universal consciousness.” (3508-1)
(09:56:29) (Bill) “Man was made as man. As given, there was, there is, as we find, only three creations as is given: matter, force, and mind. In each we find that in the forces as is developed into the conditions as we find at the present time. All flesh is not of one flesh, but the developing of (each) one has always remained the same; and has only been to meet the needs of man,
(09:57:18) (Bill) for which there was made all that was made, and man’s evolving ~~ or evolution ~~ has only been that of the gradual growth upward to the mind the Maker , , , Man did not descend from the monkey, but man has evolved ~~ resuscitation, you see ~~ from time to time, here a little, there a little, line upon line, and line upon line.” (3744-4)
(09:58:00) (ron) sometimes i wonder
(09:58:40) (Bill) Garden of Eden:“Before that we find the entity was in the early, early days, when there was the garden called Eden. There we find the entity was among those who looked on the activities of the mother of mankind. The entity then was among the ‘things’, and yet was touched in person, was touched in heart, and sought to know the meaning of same.
(09:59:14) (Bill) . For it saw then, fruit, leaves, trees, which had their spiritual meaning in people’s lives. The name then was Suz.” (5373-1)
(10:01:20) (Bill) Shall we go on? or is that enough for one evening?
(10:01:34) (merri) please continue
(10:02:06) (Bill) God created the earth just as one may create a beautiful thought. Each part, each element sought only to magnify, glorify the Creator. All was in perfect accord with the mind and will of God. Harmony in thought and purpose controlled vibration to bring into expression the elements.
(10:02:44) (Bill) All creation found its normal expression in peace. The flesh was not a part of the early pattern; it came later, and was the creation or expression of those souls desiring to become a part of the developing elements. With it came selfishness, disorganization and disharmony.
(10:03:10) (Bill) . The heavenly state of consciousness fled before it. Not until God breathed the breath of life upon the body of Adam was harmony reborn.
(10:03:43) (Bill) “Q-2: The second problem concerns that which is variously called evil, darkness, sin, negation. Should it be said that this condition existed as a necessary element of creation, and the soul, given free will, found itself with the power to indulge in it, or lost itself in it?
(10:04:03) (Bill) Or should it be said that this is a condition created by the activity of the soul itself? Should it be described, in either case, as a state of consciousness, a gradual lack of awareness of self and self’s relation to God?
(10:04:25) (Bill) “A-2: It is the free will and its losing itself in its relationship to God.” (5749-14)
(10:04:49) (Bill) “As the entity then, an individual, then applies, it becomes aware ~~ through patience, through time, through space ~~ of its relationship to the Godhead ~~ Father, Son, Holy Spirit. In self it finds body, mind, soul. As the Son is the builder, so is the mind the builder in the individual.” 3508-1
(10:05:29) (Bill) “Q-16: Should Jesus be described as the Soul who first went through the cycle of earthly lives to attain perfection in the planetary lives also?
(10:05:58) (Bill) “A-16: He should be. This is as the man, see?” (5749-14)
(10:06:27) (Bill) “Then, when there are those experiences in the life of an entity in the material plane, when expression is given to that which is the prompting or directing influence in the life of an individual entity, it is ever those that draw nearer to the universal consciousness of the Christ that come closer to the perfect relationship to the Creative Forces or God,
(10:06:55) (Bill) , the Father ~~ which the man Jesus attained when He gave of Himself to the world, that through Him by and in Him each entity might come to know the true relationship with the Father.” (3357-2)
(10:07:26) (Bill) “Q-9: Must the solar cycle be finished on earth, or can it be completed on another planet, or does each planet have a cycle of its own which must be finished?
(10:07:49) (Bill) “A-9: If it is begun on the earth it must be finished on the earth. The solar system of which the earth is a part is only a portion of the whole. For, as indicated in the number of planets about the earth, they are of one and the same ~~ and they are relative one to another. It is the cycle of the whole system that is finished, see?” (5749-14)
(10:08:22) (Bill) “Q-23: Do souls become entangled in other systems as they did in this system?
(10:08:33) (Bill) “A-23: In other systems that represent the same as the earth does in this system, yes.” (5749-14)
(10:08:46) (Bill) “Q-8: Can oneness be attained or the finish of evolution reached ~~ on any system, or must it be in a particular one?
(10:09:04) (Bill) “A-8: Depending on what system the entity has entered, to be sure. It may be completed in any of the many systems.” (5749-14)
(10:09:31) (merri) wonder what those other systems are
(10:09:51) (Lory2) I think the other planets of this galaxy, merri.
(10:10:34) (Lory2) The planes around Jupiter, Mars, Venus, etc. etc.
(10:11:09) (merri) aren't they part of the earth's solar system?
(10:11:25) (Lory2) Yes, but they have their own planes.
(10:12:03) (merri) then there must be others
(10:12:11) (gilly) Bill as my daughter would say that is Deep
(10:12:21) (gilly) :-)
(10:12:28) (Lory2) There are other solar systems, merri, but the earth's solar system is the one in which are now occupying.
(10:12:46) (Bill) Merri i wouls think it is only in this plane of existance we are physical beings the Cayce readings say there are planes of existance all around us
(10:12:49) (merri) I understand that and that was not my question
(10:13:20) (Lory2) Sorry, merri, did I misunderstand?
(10:13:40) (merri) I guess
(10:13:58) (Lory2) Please state your question again. Maybe Bill can answer it better.
(10:14:17) (merri) don't worry about it was just thinking outloud! lol
(10:15:21) (ron) other three dimensional systems were mentioned where a soul may interact with and complete a particular cycle...but, only if similiar earth conditions where one has began or started with
(10:15:37) (Leon) Maybe were confined to the Milky Way galaxy . this solar system may not have been our first stop but one of many.
(10:15:49) (Lory2) That is correct ron.
(10:16:13) (ron) especially making reference to this galaxy as lory just said...this is our universe
(10:16:56) (Bill) we can grow in all planes od existance but in this physical plane is our greatest opportunity because it is only on this plane we have physical senses where we can fully experience the result of our choices
(10:17:24) (ron) and the mystery of Sun (Son) worship has been revealed as well...the giver of Light and Life
(10:17:48) (ron) must be many Sons of God within our Universe
(10:18:28) (Lory2) And so many are so evil, ron.
(10:18:35) (ron) and the lowest vibration such a high soul can manifest on a three dimensional plane is Fire
(10:20:02) (ron) the sign of Leo is a Fire sign ruled by the Sun interpreted as Love
(10:20:24) (ron) especially its offspring of mind and body
(10:21:40) (ron) sorry to throw in my own interpretations on related subjects
(10:22:04) (Bill) how is fire manifested Ron? other than a match or lighter
(10:22:27) (ron) flint stone
(10:22:52) (ron) how about human desire?
(10:22:53) (WalksInSpirit) That's interesting, Ron. My People see Fire as Sacred, and during sweat lodge, the opening of the lodge is set facing the Sacred Fire where the stones are heated, because the Spirits pass through the fire (like a portal almost) and enter the Lodge.
(10:23:11) (Bill) i don't understand a lot of this stuff
(10:23:47) (ron) i have been interested in symbols and beginnings, metaphysics for a long time
(10:23:49) (Lory2) That's why we are in a study, Bill. Most of do not understand it. But by golly, we sure are thinking a lot. :-)
(10:23:53) (oz) there is also an astral fire?
(10:24:21) (ron) my theosophical interests help clarify much leaving much behind that i do not understand
(10:24:54) (ron) but took years for my tiny mind to comprehend just a tiny bit
(10:25:04) (WalksInSpirit) Plus, a symbol of the Holy Spirit is Fire. To be "Baptized In The Holy Spirit" is said to be "Baptized By Fire" instead of water.
(10:25:21) (WalksInSpirit) And God spoke through the Burning Bush.
(10:25:32) (Lory2) How interesting, Walks.
(10:25:42) (ron) purifying of the emotions and the purifying of the heart
(10:25:58) (merri) is fire considered a low vibration ron?
(10:26:10) (ron) and if one looked at the face of God one will go blind
(10:26:17) (WalksInSpirit) That's why the Methodist Church uses the Cross and the Flame as their seal, to symbolize the Holy Spirit.
(10:26:34) (ron) no merri...very high and advanced spirit-soul
(10:26:54) (ron) just look at the our Sun's responsibilities
(10:26:55) (kazu) hm
(10:26:57) (oz) what about air
(10:27:00) (Lory2) I thought air was the highest, ron.
(10:27:14) (ron) symbol of the mind
(10:27:50) (ron) the intellect...where mankind has to overcome the emotional nature with reason
(10:27:52) (Lory2) Breath was the final making of man.
(10:28:23) (ron) Able's name by definition = vapor
(10:29:09) (WalksInSpirit) Cool, Ron! I didn't know that!
(10:29:10) (ron) Eve's name = life
(10:29:12) (Anonymous) how do i look that up?
(10:29:31) (WalksInSpirit) You should be able to Google it, Anon.
(10:29:57) (ron) the same way i did by personal effort because of my desire to learn...do as i did
(10:29:58) (Anonymous) very funny
(10:30:01) (Lory2) Golly, this stuff is really deep. In the next book, The River of Time, it goes into this very thing, ron.
(10:30:11) (WalksInSpirit) Just Google "Able's name definition" or "Able's name meaning" and you should come up with something.
(10:30:21) (WalksInSpirit) I'm serious, Anon!
(10:30:47) (WalksInSpirit) You can Google anything!
(10:30:50) (ron) i am fascinated with this topic of Bill's...i'm very glad he started on the Trilogy
(10:31:28) (ron) as well as Bill's Universal Laws
(10:31:37) (Bill) so every one is busy contmeplating how they miss used their free will :o)
(10:31:48) (ron) lol bill
(10:31:51) (Anonymoo) lol
(10:32:05) (Anonymoo) just add it to my list
(10:32:14) (MaryAnne) I have been repenting in leisure, Bill
(10:32:24) (Anonymous) all of us never knew we had free will
(10:32:26) (Anonymoo) lol MA me too MA
(10:32:35) (merri) LOL MA
(10:32:58) (ron) try meditation that will help you to develop your Will
(10:33:10) (merri) did you think somebody else made your choices for you Anon?
(10:33:14) (ron) but the key word is Patience
(10:33:36) (MaryAnne) I agree ron...patience is most importance
(10:33:53) (ron) another word for Time
(10:34:08) (Lory2) ‘And in the process of time it came to pass that Cain brought the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord. And Abel also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering; but unto Cain and his offering He had no respect. And Cain was very wroth and his countenance fell.’ Genesis 4:3-5
(10:34:09) (Bill) Love and Light to each of you sleep well(10:34:53) (Lory2) Cain and Abel are symbols that refer tack to this activity of the Sons of Lucifer as they tried to placate or atone to their gods by material sacrifices. The activity of Abel the reading identify with that of the Children of the Law of One, who still adhered to one God, while Cain was the ‘offspring of Lucifer’.
(10:35:35) (ron) Cain = metal worker = things that pertain to the earth, or earthly...emphasis on the emotional nature
(10:35:38) (Leon) The the son of god doesnt need physical senses . These senses make us to appear separate . Our relationship with god is ONE. We only thought we misused free will. Everything is Perfect.
(10:35:44) (Lory2) The activity of Abel the reading identify with that of the Children of the Law of One, who still adhered to one God, while Cain was the ‘offspring of Lucifer’. Their attitudes, the difference in their offerings and the manner of their offering gives an insight into the results of the constructive and destructive activity that has been a part of all people’s experience as they identify themselves with the earth.
(10:36:15) (ron) Cain was a farmer...again pertaining to things of the earth or earthly
(10:36:30) (Lory2) When Cain realized that his offering was unacceptable, his reaction was to destroy that which made him appear inferior (Abel, the accepted), and make himself superior. Isn’t this the very thing of which we are still guilty in our lives today?
(10:37:12) (MaryAnne) Yes, indeed it is Lory
(10:37:16) (ron) Able sacrified to the Lord...what did he sacrifice? his lower nature and thatis favorable in the mind of God
(10:37:38) (Anonymous) one tryed not so hard the other gave it his all
(10:37:38) (ron) that is why Able is favored more than Cain
(10:38:16) (ron) and Cain was the first earthly incarnation of Judas by the way
(10:38:20) (Anonymous) yes
(10:38:35) (ron) and the father of the tribe of Judah
(10:39:03) (Leon) Only the ego plays favors -- not god
(10:39:14) (Lory2) This is really interesting stuff. Very deep and very often so very difficult to understand. Even some of Cayce's explanations are not sufficient without prolonged study.
(10:39:45) (ron) yes lory...there is so much to learn and so difficult to understand
(10:40:04) (Anonymous) when you are ready to give it your all, then you will see the face of God
(10:40:19) (Lory2) That is why this Trilogy is so great.
(10:40:30) (ron) here we go again
(10:40:44) (ron) yes i enjoy the Trilogy
(10:40:54) (Lory2) Where are we going ron? :-)
(10:41:21) (Anonymous) in the mean time one second at a time
(10:41:22) (ron) i suppose back to where we started from
(10:41:28) (ron) and then what?
(10:41:43) (ron) graduate to our own little solar system lol
(10:41:51) (Lory2) Not me. My purpose in life is progress right now, not perfection.
(10:42:01) (Anonymous) for that is all that you have
(10:42:13) (ron) the object of my affection
(10:43:11) (Leon) Isaiah 45 :7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. It's not our doing chats, were innocent.
(10:43:19) (Anonymous) a
(10:43:30) (Anonymous) amen
(09:31:37) (Bill) Father, God, in Thy mercy, in Thy love, be Thou with us now. For we know and we speak of Thy love. And help us then to put away, for the hour, the cares of this life; that we may know in truth that the spirit and the lamb say, “Come.” Let them that hear also say “Come.” Let all that will, come and drink of the Water of life. (262-113.) Amen
(09:31:43) (Lory) Amen
(09:31:47) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:31:59) (merri) Amen
(09:32:16) (oz) Amen
(09:32:17) (ron) amen
(09:32:27) (gilly) amen
(09:33:25) (Bill) THE RIVER of TIME Part 1
(09:33:39) (Bill) PREFACE: The material for this study book is drawn from the psychic readings of Edgar Cayce received during a period of forty years of his life. Over 14,000 of these readings are at the Foundation headquarters at Virginia Beach, Virginia. The point of view expressed in the use of this material is that of the present compiler.
(09:33:56) (Leon) Let this energy of the God Spirit be expressed while we maintain the beauty in the world around us, and develop the beauty within us.
(09:34:12) (Bill) TY Leon
(09:34:14) (Leon) amen
(09:34:21) (Bill) *( Quotations from the Edgar Cayce readings are clearly distinguishable from the rest of the text and are given verbatim. Where words or phrases are added, they are enclosed in brackets ~~ (thus ).
(09:34:46) (Bill) Through a study of this information, we begin to gain a concept of ourselves as Sons of God, as souls, and as man. We may become aware of a philosophy that introduces a vast panorama of solar and universal evolution in which man plays many parts.
(09:35:27) (Bill) As our solar system evolved into that which God had imaged, the elements ~~ fire, earth, air, and water ~~ were chosen for the earth’s creation, and the mists began to gather. So began earth’s sphere of influence, and our infant planet was set upon its evolutionary pathway.
(09:35:59) (Bill) “The worlds were created and are still in creation in this heterogeneous mass as is called the outer sphere, or those portions as man looks up to in space. The mists that are gathering. What’s the beginning of this? In this same beginning so began the earth’s sphere. (900-340.)”
(09:36:41) (Bill) As we pursue this line of thinking it becomes apparent that the earth, even in its nebulous form, drew the Sons of God into its creations. As Sons of God they were co-workers with Him and active in all His creations. The Sons of Lucifer, those Sons of God who had turned away from their Creator, came also into these solar realms and participated in their activity.
(09:37:26) (Bill) Book One in this series of writing, ‘Before The Beginning’, took up the creation and history of the soul in its spiritual evolution as given in the Edgar Cayce readings in correlation with the Book of Genesis, Chapter I, and Chapter II to an including the 7th verse:
(09:37:53) (Bill) ‘And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.’
(09:38:11) (Bill) To understand fully how man became a living soul, it will be well to study this first work as a prelude to the present one.
(09:38:55) (Bill) “In man’s analysis and understanding of himself it is as well to know from whence he came as to know whither he is going. (5753-1).”
(09:39:10) (Bill) Whence came man, and whither does he go?
(09:39:18) (Bill) CHAPTER I: This narrative begins with Genesis 2:7, and relates the manner in which the soul took up its material expression.
(09:39:50) (Bill) To gain a clear understanding of the manner of the advent of man into the planet earth, let us look far, far backward, to the beginning of the formation of this sphere and its sister planets, which make up our solar system. They were not created solely for man, as is the generally accepted concept, nor were they created within the six days and nights as we measure time.
(09:39:56) (Lory) Excuse me Bill.
(09:40:20) (Bill) possibly
(09:40:35) (Lory) We were through Day III last week.
(09:41:01) (Bill) where we suppose to be?
(09:41:25) (Bill) finished IV last wk.
(09:41:27) (Lory) I don't know for sure. But if we were would we not start tonight with Day IV?
(09:41:47) (Lory) Then we should start tonight with day V tonight.
(09:42:27) (Bill) i'll check and see if i can find it
(09:43:07) (Lory) Sorry for the interruption chatters. But did we not go through Day IV last week?
(09:43:55) (oz) i haven't been here so i'm not sure
(09:43:58) (WalksInSpirit) I'm sorry. I missed last week. :-(
(09:44:11) (merri) don't remember what it was labeled Lory
(09:46:39) (Bill) Their creation took place with that of many millions emerging as an expression of the inexhaustible creativity of God. The six days and nights symbolize states of consciousness and evolvement manifested in the diversity of creation. The following excerpts from the Edgar Cayce readings give an insight into the time element:
(09:47:23) (Bill) “First that of a mass about which there arose the ‘mist’ and then the rising of same with the light breaking over that, as it settled itself as a companion of others in the universe ~~ as it began its natural (or now natural) rotations . . . slowly receding or gathering closer to the sun from which it received its impetus . . . (364-6, A-4.”
(09:48:04) (Bill) “Q-3: It is given in my first life reading that my first appearance on earth was when the Sons of God came together to reason in the elements as to the appearance of man in physical form on earth’s plane. Explain what is meant by the Sons of God and how they came to reason about man’s appearance on earth.
(09:48:50) (Bill) “A-3: In the evolution of those conditions relating to the development upon earth’s plane, and the time came for the dwelling of man in physical forces, the Sons of God came together. (137-13).”
(09:49:30) (Bill) “God moved, the spirit came into activity. In moving it brought light, and then chaos. In this light came creation of that which in the earth came to be matter; in the spheres about the earth, space and time; and in patience it has evolved through those activities until there are the heavens and all the constellations, the stars, the universe as it is known, or sought to be known, by the individual soul-entities in the material plane. (3508-1).”
(09:50:23) (Bill) Little by little it cooled. Many souls entered while it was still in a gaseous state. The Sons of God came together to reason in the elements as co-workers with God. They chose the four elements, fire, water, earth, and air for their expression as man. They were co-creators that helped establish the jewel centers of the earth through which the spiritual forces of evolution would flow.
(09:51:10) (Bill) These centers relate or correspond to the ductless glands of our fleshly bodies which receive and distribute the spiritual and mental forces throughout the body of man.
(09:51:53) (Bill) These centers react to the Christ consciousness beamed to them by the Son (Sun) and to the influences from each sister planet. These rays carry currents of life-giving forces necessary for man’s indwelling in the earth.
(09:52:33) (Bill) Let us look back, at this point, to the spiritual beginning as given in ‘Before the Beginning’ and review briefly the six days of development recorded in Genesis. All creations were imaged first in spirit, as God is Spirit, and unfolded in the material world according to their particular evolutionary image or pattern.
(09:54:44) (Bill) Let us look back, at this point, to the spiritual beginning as given in ‘Before the Beginning’ and review briefly the six days of development recorded in Genesis. All creations were imaged first in spirit, as God is Spirit, and unfolded in the material world according to their particular evolutionary image or pattern.
(09:55:33) (Bill) “Then came the earth materially, through the spirit pushing itself into matter. Spirit was individualized, and then became what we recognize in one another as individual entities. Spirit that uses matter, that uses every influence in the earth’s environ for the glory of the Creative Forces, partakes of and is a part of the universal consciousness.” (3508-1)
(09:56:29) (Bill) “Man was made as man. As given, there was, there is, as we find, only three creations as is given: matter, force, and mind. In each we find that in the forces as is developed into the conditions as we find at the present time. All flesh is not of one flesh, but the developing of (each) one has always remained the same; and has only been to meet the needs of man,
(09:57:18) (Bill) for which there was made all that was made, and man’s evolving ~~ or evolution ~~ has only been that of the gradual growth upward to the mind the Maker , , , Man did not descend from the monkey, but man has evolved ~~ resuscitation, you see ~~ from time to time, here a little, there a little, line upon line, and line upon line.” (3744-4)
(09:58:00) (ron) sometimes i wonder
(09:58:40) (Bill) Garden of Eden:“Before that we find the entity was in the early, early days, when there was the garden called Eden. There we find the entity was among those who looked on the activities of the mother of mankind. The entity then was among the ‘things’, and yet was touched in person, was touched in heart, and sought to know the meaning of same.
(09:59:14) (Bill) . For it saw then, fruit, leaves, trees, which had their spiritual meaning in people’s lives. The name then was Suz.” (5373-1)
(10:01:20) (Bill) Shall we go on? or is that enough for one evening?
(10:01:34) (merri) please continue
(10:02:06) (Bill) God created the earth just as one may create a beautiful thought. Each part, each element sought only to magnify, glorify the Creator. All was in perfect accord with the mind and will of God. Harmony in thought and purpose controlled vibration to bring into expression the elements.
(10:02:44) (Bill) All creation found its normal expression in peace. The flesh was not a part of the early pattern; it came later, and was the creation or expression of those souls desiring to become a part of the developing elements. With it came selfishness, disorganization and disharmony.
(10:03:10) (Bill) . The heavenly state of consciousness fled before it. Not until God breathed the breath of life upon the body of Adam was harmony reborn.
(10:03:43) (Bill) “Q-2: The second problem concerns that which is variously called evil, darkness, sin, negation. Should it be said that this condition existed as a necessary element of creation, and the soul, given free will, found itself with the power to indulge in it, or lost itself in it?
(10:04:03) (Bill) Or should it be said that this is a condition created by the activity of the soul itself? Should it be described, in either case, as a state of consciousness, a gradual lack of awareness of self and self’s relation to God?
(10:04:25) (Bill) “A-2: It is the free will and its losing itself in its relationship to God.” (5749-14)
(10:04:49) (Bill) “As the entity then, an individual, then applies, it becomes aware ~~ through patience, through time, through space ~~ of its relationship to the Godhead ~~ Father, Son, Holy Spirit. In self it finds body, mind, soul. As the Son is the builder, so is the mind the builder in the individual.” 3508-1
(10:05:29) (Bill) “Q-16: Should Jesus be described as the Soul who first went through the cycle of earthly lives to attain perfection in the planetary lives also?
(10:05:58) (Bill) “A-16: He should be. This is as the man, see?” (5749-14)
(10:06:27) (Bill) “Then, when there are those experiences in the life of an entity in the material plane, when expression is given to that which is the prompting or directing influence in the life of an individual entity, it is ever those that draw nearer to the universal consciousness of the Christ that come closer to the perfect relationship to the Creative Forces or God,
(10:06:55) (Bill) , the Father ~~ which the man Jesus attained when He gave of Himself to the world, that through Him by and in Him each entity might come to know the true relationship with the Father.” (3357-2)
(10:07:26) (Bill) “Q-9: Must the solar cycle be finished on earth, or can it be completed on another planet, or does each planet have a cycle of its own which must be finished?
(10:07:49) (Bill) “A-9: If it is begun on the earth it must be finished on the earth. The solar system of which the earth is a part is only a portion of the whole. For, as indicated in the number of planets about the earth, they are of one and the same ~~ and they are relative one to another. It is the cycle of the whole system that is finished, see?” (5749-14)
(10:08:22) (Bill) “Q-23: Do souls become entangled in other systems as they did in this system?
(10:08:33) (Bill) “A-23: In other systems that represent the same as the earth does in this system, yes.” (5749-14)
(10:08:46) (Bill) “Q-8: Can oneness be attained or the finish of evolution reached ~~ on any system, or must it be in a particular one?
(10:09:04) (Bill) “A-8: Depending on what system the entity has entered, to be sure. It may be completed in any of the many systems.” (5749-14)
(10:09:31) (merri) wonder what those other systems are
(10:09:51) (Lory2) I think the other planets of this galaxy, merri.
(10:10:34) (Lory2) The planes around Jupiter, Mars, Venus, etc. etc.
(10:11:09) (merri) aren't they part of the earth's solar system?
(10:11:25) (Lory2) Yes, but they have their own planes.
(10:12:03) (merri) then there must be others
(10:12:11) (gilly) Bill as my daughter would say that is Deep
(10:12:21) (gilly) :-)
(10:12:28) (Lory2) There are other solar systems, merri, but the earth's solar system is the one in which are now occupying.
(10:12:46) (Bill) Merri i wouls think it is only in this plane of existance we are physical beings the Cayce readings say there are planes of existance all around us
(10:12:49) (merri) I understand that and that was not my question
(10:13:20) (Lory2) Sorry, merri, did I misunderstand?
(10:13:40) (merri) I guess
(10:13:58) (Lory2) Please state your question again. Maybe Bill can answer it better.
(10:14:17) (merri) don't worry about it was just thinking outloud! lol
(10:15:21) (ron) other three dimensional systems were mentioned where a soul may interact with and complete a particular cycle...but, only if similiar earth conditions where one has began or started with
(10:15:37) (Leon) Maybe were confined to the Milky Way galaxy . this solar system may not have been our first stop but one of many.
(10:15:49) (Lory2) That is correct ron.
(10:16:13) (ron) especially making reference to this galaxy as lory just said...this is our universe
(10:16:56) (Bill) we can grow in all planes od existance but in this physical plane is our greatest opportunity because it is only on this plane we have physical senses where we can fully experience the result of our choices
(10:17:24) (ron) and the mystery of Sun (Son) worship has been revealed as well...the giver of Light and Life
(10:17:48) (ron) must be many Sons of God within our Universe
(10:18:28) (Lory2) And so many are so evil, ron.
(10:18:35) (ron) and the lowest vibration such a high soul can manifest on a three dimensional plane is Fire
(10:20:02) (ron) the sign of Leo is a Fire sign ruled by the Sun interpreted as Love
(10:20:24) (ron) especially its offspring of mind and body
(10:21:40) (ron) sorry to throw in my own interpretations on related subjects
(10:22:04) (Bill) how is fire manifested Ron? other than a match or lighter
(10:22:27) (ron) flint stone
(10:22:52) (ron) how about human desire?
(10:22:53) (WalksInSpirit) That's interesting, Ron. My People see Fire as Sacred, and during sweat lodge, the opening of the lodge is set facing the Sacred Fire where the stones are heated, because the Spirits pass through the fire (like a portal almost) and enter the Lodge.
(10:23:11) (Bill) i don't understand a lot of this stuff
(10:23:47) (ron) i have been interested in symbols and beginnings, metaphysics for a long time
(10:23:49) (Lory2) That's why we are in a study, Bill. Most of do not understand it. But by golly, we sure are thinking a lot. :-)
(10:23:53) (oz) there is also an astral fire?
(10:24:21) (ron) my theosophical interests help clarify much leaving much behind that i do not understand
(10:24:54) (ron) but took years for my tiny mind to comprehend just a tiny bit
(10:25:04) (WalksInSpirit) Plus, a symbol of the Holy Spirit is Fire. To be "Baptized In The Holy Spirit" is said to be "Baptized By Fire" instead of water.
(10:25:21) (WalksInSpirit) And God spoke through the Burning Bush.
(10:25:32) (Lory2) How interesting, Walks.
(10:25:42) (ron) purifying of the emotions and the purifying of the heart
(10:25:58) (merri) is fire considered a low vibration ron?
(10:26:10) (ron) and if one looked at the face of God one will go blind
(10:26:17) (WalksInSpirit) That's why the Methodist Church uses the Cross and the Flame as their seal, to symbolize the Holy Spirit.
(10:26:34) (ron) no merri...very high and advanced spirit-soul
(10:26:54) (ron) just look at the our Sun's responsibilities
(10:26:55) (kazu) hm
(10:26:57) (oz) what about air
(10:27:00) (Lory2) I thought air was the highest, ron.
(10:27:14) (ron) symbol of the mind
(10:27:50) (ron) the intellect...where mankind has to overcome the emotional nature with reason
(10:27:52) (Lory2) Breath was the final making of man.
(10:28:23) (ron) Able's name by definition = vapor
(10:29:09) (WalksInSpirit) Cool, Ron! I didn't know that!
(10:29:10) (ron) Eve's name = life
(10:29:12) (Anonymous) how do i look that up?
(10:29:31) (WalksInSpirit) You should be able to Google it, Anon.
(10:29:57) (ron) the same way i did by personal effort because of my desire to learn...do as i did
(10:29:58) (Anonymous) very funny
(10:30:01) (Lory2) Golly, this stuff is really deep. In the next book, The River of Time, it goes into this very thing, ron.
(10:30:11) (WalksInSpirit) Just Google "Able's name definition" or "Able's name meaning" and you should come up with something.
(10:30:21) (WalksInSpirit) I'm serious, Anon!
(10:30:47) (WalksInSpirit) You can Google anything!
(10:30:50) (ron) i am fascinated with this topic of Bill's...i'm very glad he started on the Trilogy
(10:31:28) (ron) as well as Bill's Universal Laws
(10:31:37) (Bill) so every one is busy contmeplating how they miss used their free will :o)
(10:31:48) (ron) lol bill
(10:31:51) (Anonymoo) lol
(10:32:05) (Anonymoo) just add it to my list
(10:32:14) (MaryAnne) I have been repenting in leisure, Bill
(10:32:24) (Anonymous) all of us never knew we had free will
(10:32:26) (Anonymoo) lol MA me too MA
(10:32:35) (merri) LOL MA
(10:32:58) (ron) try meditation that will help you to develop your Will
(10:33:10) (merri) did you think somebody else made your choices for you Anon?
(10:33:14) (ron) but the key word is Patience
(10:33:36) (MaryAnne) I agree ron...patience is most importance
(10:33:53) (ron) another word for Time
(10:34:08) (Lory2) ‘And in the process of time it came to pass that Cain brought the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord. And Abel also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering; but unto Cain and his offering He had no respect. And Cain was very wroth and his countenance fell.’ Genesis 4:3-5
(10:34:09) (Bill) Love and Light to each of you sleep well(10:34:53) (Lory2) Cain and Abel are symbols that refer tack to this activity of the Sons of Lucifer as they tried to placate or atone to their gods by material sacrifices. The activity of Abel the reading identify with that of the Children of the Law of One, who still adhered to one God, while Cain was the ‘offspring of Lucifer’.
(10:35:35) (ron) Cain = metal worker = things that pertain to the earth, or earthly...emphasis on the emotional nature
(10:35:38) (Leon) The the son of god doesnt need physical senses . These senses make us to appear separate . Our relationship with god is ONE. We only thought we misused free will. Everything is Perfect.
(10:35:44) (Lory2) The activity of Abel the reading identify with that of the Children of the Law of One, who still adhered to one God, while Cain was the ‘offspring of Lucifer’. Their attitudes, the difference in their offerings and the manner of their offering gives an insight into the results of the constructive and destructive activity that has been a part of all people’s experience as they identify themselves with the earth.
(10:36:15) (ron) Cain was a farmer...again pertaining to things of the earth or earthly
(10:36:30) (Lory2) When Cain realized that his offering was unacceptable, his reaction was to destroy that which made him appear inferior (Abel, the accepted), and make himself superior. Isn’t this the very thing of which we are still guilty in our lives today?
(10:37:12) (MaryAnne) Yes, indeed it is Lory
(10:37:16) (ron) Able sacrified to the Lord...what did he sacrifice? his lower nature and thatis favorable in the mind of God
(10:37:38) (Anonymous) one tryed not so hard the other gave it his all
(10:37:38) (ron) that is why Able is favored more than Cain
(10:38:16) (ron) and Cain was the first earthly incarnation of Judas by the way
(10:38:20) (Anonymous) yes
(10:38:35) (ron) and the father of the tribe of Judah
(10:39:03) (Leon) Only the ego plays favors -- not god
(10:39:14) (Lory2) This is really interesting stuff. Very deep and very often so very difficult to understand. Even some of Cayce's explanations are not sufficient without prolonged study.
(10:39:45) (ron) yes lory...there is so much to learn and so difficult to understand
(10:40:04) (Anonymous) when you are ready to give it your all, then you will see the face of God
(10:40:19) (Lory2) That is why this Trilogy is so great.
(10:40:30) (ron) here we go again
(10:40:44) (ron) yes i enjoy the Trilogy
(10:40:54) (Lory2) Where are we going ron? :-)
(10:41:21) (Anonymous) in the mean time one second at a time
(10:41:22) (ron) i suppose back to where we started from
(10:41:28) (ron) and then what?
(10:41:43) (ron) graduate to our own little solar system lol
(10:41:51) (Lory2) Not me. My purpose in life is progress right now, not perfection.
(10:42:01) (Anonymous) for that is all that you have
(10:42:13) (ron) the object of my affection
(10:43:11) (Leon) Isaiah 45 :7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. It's not our doing chats, were innocent.
(10:43:19) (Anonymous) a
(10:43:30) (Anonymous) amen
