Post by WalksInSpirit on May 29, 2006 22:01:22 GMT -5
Search For God - Book Two Study: 05-29-06
"Destiny Of The Body"
(09:29:44) (Bill) well if we all focus on our purpose for this lesson this evening for a min. then we'll get going :o)
(09:30:55) (Bill) Lord, use me in whatever way or manner that my body may be as a living example of Thy love to the brethren of our Lord. (262-84.) Amen
(09:31:06) (Cris) Amen
(09:31:09) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:31:12) (merri) Amen
(09:31:30) (Roz) Amen
(09:31:37) (Rodney) shanta
(09:32:40) (Bill) What Is Meant by the Resurrection of the Body? ~~ The body that we have taken from the matter has assumed various forms, sizes, and colors. Hence, with what body shall we be raised?
(09:33:44) (Bill) “The same body ye had from the beginning! or the same body that has been thine throughout the ages! else how could it be individual? The physical, the dust, dissolves; yes. But when it is condensed again, what is it? The same body. It does not beget a different body!” (262-86.)
(09:34:24) (Bill) We have one wave length that is ours. We have one light beam, and on it we must come in, must go back to the Father, or else lose our identity. Then we must seek to purge the body until it is raised a glorified body to be one with the Whole, and yet be our own.
(09:35:04) (Bill) In other words: to know ourselves to be ourselves, yet one with God. He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
(09:35:33) (Bill) How Should We Regard the Experiences of the Physical Body? ~~ What we are today is the result of the way and manner in which we have used the opportunities given to us by God, the Father.
(09:36:03) (Bill) . When we do not take into account our relation to the First Cause, God, we know those things that pertain to the gratification of material desires, that so often turn and rend us. The seed of every plan is within itself; the seed of every living influence is within itself.
(09:36:37) (Bill) So in our acts in relation to our fellowman and to the world as a whole, the results that will be in our experiences are according to that which we have sown, or the manner in which we have dealt with our fellowman.
(09:37:29) (Bill) It is through activity that we may become more and more aware of how we use our opportunities. If we practice error, then error becomes more and more prominent in our dealing with others. If our activity is selfless, then we come like Him who gave Himself for the world. In whatever way we prepare ourselves then the time and place to use that prepared will come.
(09:38:33) (Bill) Let the light of His countenance guide us. He, our Lord, is willing, if we use our body, our mind, our abilities, as channels of expression for Him. As known or experienced by those in the material plane, or in any plane of consciousness, those abilities that we manifested are the outgrowth of the application of opportunities by an individual entity in this or that experience.
(09:39:09) (Bill) Then it may be seen that in aiding others there comes greater aid to us; for it becomes a part of ourselves and a portion of our own experience.
(09:39:37) (Bill) The purpose for which our soul chose to come into this earth plane was to awaken the divine within, which is done through manifesting the fruits of the spirit toward our fellowman.
(09:40:06) (Bill) Then we should do with our might what our hands find to do, leaving the results in the hands of Him who gives the increase. Let us look upon every experience as a necessary element in our own development, knowing that He who clothes the fowls or the air and the lilies of the field will be mindful of those who love His ways.
(09:40:50) (Bill) All in matter, all in form, first began in the urge of mental or spiritual influence, and that which prompted them came into manifestation under the influence of divine guidance. That which is error that which is shame, that which is of disrupting forces, become negligible unless given power by thought, and by activity of the mind.
(09:41:30) (Bill) Not that denying alone makes for nonexistence, but rather that those things presenting themselves as errors, as a disrupting influence, may by used as stepping stones for the creation of those environs in which we may change trial, temptation and hardships, into helpful experiences:
(09:42:07) (Bill) for through the things which He suffered and overcame He became the King of kings, the Lord of lords. So with us it may be found that by using our experiences rightly there may be brought into our consciousness harmony, which is another name for peace, for good, for joy.
(09:42:37) (Bill) . For while flesh and blood that is of the earth may not gain or know glory, the body, the real body ~~ not the superficial, but the real body ~~ may become aware of itself in the presence of the body of God, among its brethren, and a portion of the Whole.
(09:43:15) (Bill) Let us keep our innate faith in the oneness of power in Creative Forces; and as we express it in our activities with our fellowman, as we hold it in our meditation, as we hold it in our mind, so will it be experienced in our inner self. All must pass under the rod, but He has tempered it with mercy and judgment.
(09:43:53) (Bill) So must we temper our judgments, so must we find patience, so must we find those thing within self that make for the answer to us before the Throne of grace. If we would have mercy, we must show mercy to our fellowman, yes, to our enemies, to those who despitefully use us.
(09:44:36) (Bill) Death in the flesh is a birth into the realm of another experience, to those who so live that they are not bound by earthly ties. This does not mean that we do not have our own experience in and about the earth, for we come into the earth plane for the purpose of further development toward a cooperative,
(09:45:04) (Bill) coordinating activity with the Creative Force that manifests through our activities in materiality.
(09:45:22) (Bill) In the earth the choice is by will, while in the interim, between the earthly incarnations, the choice is conditioned by that which has been accomplished by us in manifested form; for we must meet that which we have sown in the body.
(09:46:02) (Bill) How May We Show Ourselves Approved? ~~ Our bodies are only channels through which our souls may manifest the attributes of the spirit of truth in a physical plane. We find ourselves in that state where we are subject to the faults, the failures, the conditions, that work upon our weaknesses.
(09:46:34) (Bill) These may work through environmental and hereditary influences or through associations, yet there is the awareness in our experiences that God, Creative Force, has prepared the way of escape from those things that so easily beset us, if we call upon Him in sincerity. Our activities are our voluntary choice.
(09:47:23) (Bill) . We have been given the manner, the way in which the Christ Consciousness is manifested in the earth, through Jesus. He came as man that through His example, love, patience, and hope might be shown. This He exemplified in His activity that we might choose, as He, to do that which is right, just, sincere, and honest, in our activities one with another.
(09:48:04) (Bill) . “Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” (Matt. 25:40.)
(09:48:38) (Bill) The way is simple. Yet those who would seek through the mysteries of nature, the mysteries of the manifestations of life in the earth or those who would see the activities of their neighbors, friends, or associates,
(09:49:17) (Bill) rather than listen to that which may be had through the still small voice from within, become troubled and wondering, and then fearful, until there come periods when the sureness of self is lacking.
(09:49:47) (Bill) What are the requirements then, that we may become aware of His presence abiding with us? They are that we manifest love, patience, hope, charity, tolerance, and faith in our daily life.
(09:50:15) (Bill) These words, these expressions, these as visualized objects may be within us, and when we make such manifest in conversation, in example, in precept to those whom we meet day by day, we become aware of the Christ Consciousness.
(09:50:52) (Bill) Know the truth for the truth’s sake. “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” (Mark 13:31.)
(09:51:03) (Bill) .) Let not, then, the cares of the world, the deceitfulness of riches, pomp, glory, or fame, hinder us from applying in our relationship with our fellowman those laws through which we may become aware of His presence.
(09:51:29) (Bill) That offences must come, is true, but woe to him who bring them to pass!
(09:51:46) (Bill) May we not be idle in doing that which we know to be right. Let our activities be positive, our love be without dissimulation. “Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.” (Rom. 12:9.)
(09:52:26) (Bill) As we have seen in our own body that which has brought the fires of nature, the turmoil of disease, the wonderments even of distress, and as we have seen those influences, those powers, in nature that are manifestations of His love to man, we know that in our weakness,
(09:52:51) (Bill) in our strength, on Him alone can we lean for strength. He has prepared a way. We, in any phase of our experience, are only the channels to make application, or to give helpful understanding to others. His abiding presence is in and with us.
(09:53:24) (Bill) The destiny of the body lies with us. We can take only a perfect body back to our Maker. (See 696-3._
(09:53:51) (Bill) and thats the end of the lesson Destiny of the Body
(09:54:18) (Cris) Thanks Bill we appreciate your time
(09:54:36) (Bill) was if straight forward or does anyone have questions
(09:54:37) (WalksInSpirit) Thank you for a great chat and great presentation, Bill!
(09:55:13) (Roz) thanks Bill
(09:55:20) (Bill) Your very welcome it is always my pleasure to present this material because i need the reminder more than most
(10:00:52) (Bill) The way is simple. Yet those who would seek through the mysteries of nature, the mysteries of the manifestations of life in the earth or those who would see the activities of their neighbors, friends, or associates, rather than listen to that which may be had through the still small voice from within, become troubled and wondering, and then fearful, until there come periods when the sureness of self is lacking.
(10:01:34) (Bill) so what this is say is look within for our guidance not out and about is my take on it
(10:01:53) (Bill) let Jesus example be our guide
(10:01:54) (MaryAnne) That is my take as well Bill.
(10:02:01) (merri) yes but not sure i agree with that statement
(10:02:32) (merri) at least not the whole statement
(10:02:49) (MaryAnne) Please expand on that, merri
(10:02:56) (merri) without seeking the mysteries there won't be any progress
(10:03:24) (merri) no advancement or understanding
(10:04:05) (MaryAnne) I see. I take a somewhat different view in that as we seek within the mysteries are revealed as we are ready to understand them.
(10:04:20) (MaryAnne) That is my particular take.
(10:04:37) (Gordito) The Mystic seeks the Mysteries to the Kingdom of God and mans Relationship To God.
(10:04:42) (Bill) i think what its saying Merri is to use your own judgment , your own truth, not to be swayed by the grass that looks greener on the other side of the fence
(10:04:51) (Gordito) Within.
(10:05:14) (merri) that is probably part of it Bill
(10:05:59) (Bill) yes Gordito put your faith in the small still voice within and go straight ahead
(10:06:00) (merri) but I still think one must question and seek and do something to find some of the answers
(10:06:22) (Bill) eg. Merri :o)
(10:06:28) (Gordito) Once the Truth is found within yourself you may then be able to find it outside of yourself as well.
(10:06:48) (Gordito) If you can't find it within, you won't See It without.
(10:07:29) (Bill) We find ourselves in that state where we are subject to the faults, the failures, the conditions, that work upon our weaknesses. These may work through environmental and hereditary influences or through associations, yet there is the awareness in our experiences that God, Creative Force, has prepared the way of escape from those things that so easily beset us, if we call upon Him in sincerity.
(10:07:55) (Gordito) His Will isd the means of escape.
(10:08:43) (merri) but that is only the negative side Bill
(10:09:35) (Bill) Merri i think we have to keep these statements in context with the lesson of building a perfect body
(10:09:54) (Bill) the real body as the lesson said
(10:10:16) (Gordito) Through acting in the correct manner you may Receive the Pronmtings of Hisw Wilkl Through the Spirit of Christ when seld has been laid aside in the seeking of doing His Will not your own.
(10:10:26) (merri) I understand that Bill but it also has to be taken in context of our daily life
(10:11:01) (merri) and not only stating the negative aspects
(10:11:11) (Bill) What are the requirements then, that we may become aware of His presence abiding with us? They are that we manifest love, patience, hope, charity, tolerance, and faith in our daily life. These words, these expressions, these as visualized objects may be within us, and when we make such manifest in conversation, in example, in precept to those whom we meet day by day, we become aware of the Christ Consciousness.
(10:12:38) (Gordito) The Consciousness of the Spirit and the abilities to apply Same are the differences in the Christ consciousness and the Christ Spirit. Those with the abilities to Call Upon, to be so unselfish as to allow the Spirit to opperate in selfs stead are Aware of the Spirits Activity. While those that may be conscious or aware of a Truth may not wholly make It their own with out that which has been given in Matthew, "He thast would have Life, must give life." Cay
(10:14:37) (Bill) Merri it is by faith and application of our knowledge we leave these negative aspects behind and don't give them any foder by not dwelling on them with good positive attitudes and applications
(10:16:19) (merri) and it is by seeking, in my opinion, that one finds the knowledge to apply
(10:16:30) (Bill) The seed of every plan is within itself; the seed of every living influence is within itself. So in our acts in relation to our fellowman and to the world as a whole, the results that will be in our experiences are according to that which we have sown, or the manner in which we have dealt with our fellowman.
(10:17:04) (Bill) It is through activity that we may become more and more aware of how we use our opportunities. If we practice error, then error becomes more and more prominent in our dealing with others. If our activity is selfless, then we come like Him who gave Himself for the world. In whatever way we prepare ourselves then the time and place to use that prepared will come.
(10:18:09) (merri) yes it is all within self but what make one become aware of this
(10:18:29) (merri) do you just get a flash?
(10:18:33) (Gordito) The subconscious mind may only be fully understood when viewed from the Spiritual View Point or Aspect. The conscious mind rarely receives the the Entrance of the Truth in the subconscious, save through rest, sleep, or when such consciousnesses are subjecated through the act of the individual, as in the case of Cayce. Cayce 900-59
(10:18:45) (KingShao) Just as he transcends every word,and he transcends every voice and he transcends every mind and he transcends everything and he transcends every silence ,so it is with those who are that which he is
(10:18:53) (merri) do you wake up one day and say "gee I've got it!"
(10:19:22) (Bill) once you find the knowledge Merri you still have to judge it for its credibility then you have to make the choice to apply it , yes Merri that does happen during the process of life
(10:20:12) (Gordito) You wake up in any case and one day you've entered into a Place of Silence Which Moves You In His Will.
(10:20:28) (merri) I don't see that happening without alot of imput Bill
(10:20:36) (Gordito) By the Promptings of His Spirit.
(10:20:50) (Gordito) Reborn then of Spirit.
(10:21:02) (Bill) like here in this chat room for example we seek but the still small voice within is going to be or should be the guide to whether or not your going to use the knowledge gained here
(10:21:33) (Gordito) The idea is to allow That Small Still Voice To Become Your Voice.
(10:22:25) (KingShao) called Silence because of the Peace and Tranquility
(10:23:06) (Gordito) Silver and gold are those necessary elements that are needed in body when mind has been Attuned To God. Cayce 3491-1
(10:23:48) (merri) so in essence we are seeking the mysteries aren't we?
(10:24:23) (Gordito) The Mysteries to Understanding Your True Nature In Relationship To God and Each Other.
(10:24:39) (Gordito) Which are sought within.
(10:25:22) (KingShao) Quiet
(10:25:22) (Bill) seek to find our true self within?
(10:25:34) (merri) much is sought without before the within becomes known
(10:25:42) (Gordito) No
(10:26:08) (Gordito) The Within is made Aware of through applying that which is given within.
(10:26:35) (merri) if one is not aware how can you apply
(10:26:45) (Gordito) You won't finfd It in any book, or in the words anyone gives you till you finfd It within yourself first.
(10:26:49) (merri) by chance, lol
(10:26:56) (Gordito) Until then they are just words to you.
(10:27:39) (Gordito) Through seeking.
(10:27:47) (Gordito) God Supplys.
(10:27:58) (merri) well that's what I've been saying!!
(10:28:11) (Bill) The purpose for which our soul chose to come into this earth plane was to awaken the divine within, which is done through manifesting the fruits of the spirit toward our fellowman.
(10:28:28) (Gordito) I don't believe Cayce because he is Cayce, but because He Coincides To the Truth within myself.
(10:29:38) (Bill) . Then we should do with our might what our hands find to do, leaving the results in the hands of Him who gives the increase.
(10:30:45) (Gordito) Give all power unto Power Itself. All will unto the Will of the One.
(10:30:51) (Bill) all our seeking should be how to better serve that all may be made aware of the Christ Spirit which abides in each of us
(10:31:07) (Gordito) Yes Bill;
(10:31:11) (Bill) Let us look upon every experience as a necessary element in our own development, knowing that He who clothes the fowls or the air and the lilies of the field will be mindful of those who love His ways.
(10:31:44) (Gordito) Cayce gave the greatest thing one could do was to help another to attain the Christ Consciousness.
(10:32:09) (Gordito) He also gave ones will must be in submission to the Will of the Giver first.
(10:35:54) (Bill) All must pass under the rod, but He has tempered it with mercy and judgment. So must we temper our judgments, so must we find patience, so must we find those thing within self that make for the answer to us before the Throne of grace. If we would have mercy, we must show mercy to our fellowman, yes, to our enemies, to those who despitefully use us.
(10:36:50) (Gordito) Must be bord of water and bloood; Cayce gave Water as the cleasing of the reincanation experience and Blood as being Born Again by allowing the Spirit of His Consciousness to be the Manifesting Force in your life.
(10:36:56) (Gordito) Yes that is true Bill
(10:37:03) (Gordito) born
(10:38:17) (Bill) every one of these lesson basicly go over the same thing just giving us different angles of perseption so we may grasp a straw here and there accordding to our understanding so we may a basis for application in our lives
(10:38:27) (Gordito) Yes
(10:39:43) (Bill) i'm going to repost a paragraph i found interesting
(10:40:06) (Bill) Death in the flesh is a birth into the realm of another experience, to those who so live that they are not bound by earthly ties. This does not mean that we do not have our own experience in and about the earth, for we come into the earth plane for the purpose of further development toward a cooperative, coordinating activity with the Creative Force that manifests through our activities in materiality.
(10:40:13) (Bill) In the earth the choice is by will, while in the interim, between the earthly incarnations, the choice is conditioned by that which has been accomplished by us in manifested form; for we must meet that which we have sown in the body.
(10:41:32) (merri) what is your perception of that statement Bill
(10:41:37) (Bill) though i've read this many many times i'd forgot its implications
(10:41:37) (Bill) though i've read this many many times i'd forgot its implications
(10:42:21) (merri) how is the choice conditioned by that which has been accomplished by us in manifested form?
(10:42:46) (Bill) Merri to me its says we have more opportunity in the earths sphere to make choices than in the next releam
(10:43:15) (MaryAnne) To me that ties in with Cayce saying it is not what we say or do but what we are that matters.
(10:43:30) (Bill) i've simplified my answer to you cause i'd have to write a book for explanation
(10:43:35) (merri) our choices are based on our development as far as the next realm is concerned?
(10:44:23) (Gordito) What we say, think, do, manifest in consciousnesss makes us what we are.
(10:44:30) (Bill) maybe our lessons in the next realm are based on what we've choosen to do with the opportunities while here
(10:44:35) (merri) but don't we become what we are by what we say and do MaryAnn?
(10:45:37) (MaryAnne) Not necessarily merri...I think it means what we say and do reflects what we are...saying without meaning means little
(10:45:51) (Gordito) Yes what you are taught, where you go in the afterlife, in the interim, depends upon what you make out of thye earthly experience.
(10:46:11) (MaryAnne) It has to do with some saying Christ, Christ and being rejected...while others do not know the Christ and are not rejected
(10:46:31) (merri) so if we have made bad choices here it limits our choices in the next realm?
(10:46:37) (Bill) we are not necessarily who we pretend to be but are that which we manifest many are hiding behind masks
(10:47:01) (Bill) don't judge a man by his words judge him by his actions
(10:47:21) (Gordito) The Consciousness of the Spirit and the abilities to apply Same are the differences in the Christ consciousness and the Christ Spirit. Those with the abilities to Call Upon, to be so unselfish as to allow the Spirit to opperate in selfs stead are Aware of the Spirits Activity. While those that may be conscious or aware of a Truth may not wholly make It their own with out that which has been given in Matthew, "He that would have Life, must give life." Cayc
(10:47:30) (Gordito) Do not judge.
(10:47:43) (Gordito) Least ye be judged in like manner.
(10:47:52) (MaryAnne) I am trying to find a way to word this....and this may not be clear.....we have choices here but experience the result of our choices in the next realm
(10:48:16) (Gordito) Karma and cause and effect.
(10:48:21) (Bill) Merri maybe what it means is the lessons in the next realm will be governed by the choices we've made here and it is this realm where the greats opportunities ly for the greatest development
(10:48:25) (Gordito) Cause and effect is current.
(10:48:31) (Gordito) Karma carries over.
(10:48:53) (MaryAnne) Karma is just thinking patterns and those can be easily changed.
(10:49:32) (Gordito) Karma is law and must be met by all.
(10:49:38) (Bill) karma is just another way of saying we make our own bed and must sleep in it
(10:49:49) (merri) lol
(10:49:57) (Gordito) Thinking patterns and karma are not the same.
(10:50:30) (Gordito) Thinking patterns affect your thoughts, words asnd actions which create your karma.
(10:50:35) (MaryAnne) According to Cayce they are the same
(10:51:01) (Bill) karma are the stepping stones we've set before our selves to over come and grow some times the steps are higher than others but all must be overcome
(10:52:30) (Bill) thoughts are things, thoughts created our future, if we choose to make lower choices with our thought patterns the steps to over come will be set according ly
(10:52:34) (Gordito) Karma the balance kept between the lessons needed and the balace of the actions, words and thoughts which have created the jhkarma.
(10:53:51) (Gordito) Under the Law of Grace you may be forgiven of the sins which have brought about the necessity for the lessonms which still must be learned.
(10:54:11) (Gordito) That is why it is best to meet your karma in Him by Way of Grace.
(10:55:27) (Bill) . The seed of every plan is within itself; the seed of every living influence is within itself. So in our acts in relation to our fellowman and to the world as a whole, the results that will be in our experiences are according to that which we have sown, or the manner in which we have dealt with our fellowman.
(10:57:13) (Bill) in the application of our highest truths as we know them we fall into Grace or are acting accordingly to His will and grace will adjust our karma accordingly
(10:59:45) (merri) TY for tonight's interesting study Bill
(11:00:57) (Bill) what the Cayce readings say is there's no escapeing our karma but some of the severity can be lessoned by our applying God's will in our lives and recieving grace
(09:30:55) (Bill) Lord, use me in whatever way or manner that my body may be as a living example of Thy love to the brethren of our Lord. (262-84.) Amen
(09:31:06) (Cris) Amen
(09:31:09) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:31:12) (merri) Amen
(09:31:30) (Roz) Amen
(09:31:37) (Rodney) shanta
(09:32:40) (Bill) What Is Meant by the Resurrection of the Body? ~~ The body that we have taken from the matter has assumed various forms, sizes, and colors. Hence, with what body shall we be raised?
(09:33:44) (Bill) “The same body ye had from the beginning! or the same body that has been thine throughout the ages! else how could it be individual? The physical, the dust, dissolves; yes. But when it is condensed again, what is it? The same body. It does not beget a different body!” (262-86.)
(09:34:24) (Bill) We have one wave length that is ours. We have one light beam, and on it we must come in, must go back to the Father, or else lose our identity. Then we must seek to purge the body until it is raised a glorified body to be one with the Whole, and yet be our own.
(09:35:04) (Bill) In other words: to know ourselves to be ourselves, yet one with God. He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
(09:35:33) (Bill) How Should We Regard the Experiences of the Physical Body? ~~ What we are today is the result of the way and manner in which we have used the opportunities given to us by God, the Father.
(09:36:03) (Bill) . When we do not take into account our relation to the First Cause, God, we know those things that pertain to the gratification of material desires, that so often turn and rend us. The seed of every plan is within itself; the seed of every living influence is within itself.
(09:36:37) (Bill) So in our acts in relation to our fellowman and to the world as a whole, the results that will be in our experiences are according to that which we have sown, or the manner in which we have dealt with our fellowman.
(09:37:29) (Bill) It is through activity that we may become more and more aware of how we use our opportunities. If we practice error, then error becomes more and more prominent in our dealing with others. If our activity is selfless, then we come like Him who gave Himself for the world. In whatever way we prepare ourselves then the time and place to use that prepared will come.
(09:38:33) (Bill) Let the light of His countenance guide us. He, our Lord, is willing, if we use our body, our mind, our abilities, as channels of expression for Him. As known or experienced by those in the material plane, or in any plane of consciousness, those abilities that we manifested are the outgrowth of the application of opportunities by an individual entity in this or that experience.
(09:39:09) (Bill) Then it may be seen that in aiding others there comes greater aid to us; for it becomes a part of ourselves and a portion of our own experience.
(09:39:37) (Bill) The purpose for which our soul chose to come into this earth plane was to awaken the divine within, which is done through manifesting the fruits of the spirit toward our fellowman.
(09:40:06) (Bill) Then we should do with our might what our hands find to do, leaving the results in the hands of Him who gives the increase. Let us look upon every experience as a necessary element in our own development, knowing that He who clothes the fowls or the air and the lilies of the field will be mindful of those who love His ways.
(09:40:50) (Bill) All in matter, all in form, first began in the urge of mental or spiritual influence, and that which prompted them came into manifestation under the influence of divine guidance. That which is error that which is shame, that which is of disrupting forces, become negligible unless given power by thought, and by activity of the mind.
(09:41:30) (Bill) Not that denying alone makes for nonexistence, but rather that those things presenting themselves as errors, as a disrupting influence, may by used as stepping stones for the creation of those environs in which we may change trial, temptation and hardships, into helpful experiences:
(09:42:07) (Bill) for through the things which He suffered and overcame He became the King of kings, the Lord of lords. So with us it may be found that by using our experiences rightly there may be brought into our consciousness harmony, which is another name for peace, for good, for joy.
(09:42:37) (Bill) . For while flesh and blood that is of the earth may not gain or know glory, the body, the real body ~~ not the superficial, but the real body ~~ may become aware of itself in the presence of the body of God, among its brethren, and a portion of the Whole.
(09:43:15) (Bill) Let us keep our innate faith in the oneness of power in Creative Forces; and as we express it in our activities with our fellowman, as we hold it in our meditation, as we hold it in our mind, so will it be experienced in our inner self. All must pass under the rod, but He has tempered it with mercy and judgment.
(09:43:53) (Bill) So must we temper our judgments, so must we find patience, so must we find those thing within self that make for the answer to us before the Throne of grace. If we would have mercy, we must show mercy to our fellowman, yes, to our enemies, to those who despitefully use us.
(09:44:36) (Bill) Death in the flesh is a birth into the realm of another experience, to those who so live that they are not bound by earthly ties. This does not mean that we do not have our own experience in and about the earth, for we come into the earth plane for the purpose of further development toward a cooperative,
(09:45:04) (Bill) coordinating activity with the Creative Force that manifests through our activities in materiality.
(09:45:22) (Bill) In the earth the choice is by will, while in the interim, between the earthly incarnations, the choice is conditioned by that which has been accomplished by us in manifested form; for we must meet that which we have sown in the body.
(09:46:02) (Bill) How May We Show Ourselves Approved? ~~ Our bodies are only channels through which our souls may manifest the attributes of the spirit of truth in a physical plane. We find ourselves in that state where we are subject to the faults, the failures, the conditions, that work upon our weaknesses.
(09:46:34) (Bill) These may work through environmental and hereditary influences or through associations, yet there is the awareness in our experiences that God, Creative Force, has prepared the way of escape from those things that so easily beset us, if we call upon Him in sincerity. Our activities are our voluntary choice.
(09:47:23) (Bill) . We have been given the manner, the way in which the Christ Consciousness is manifested in the earth, through Jesus. He came as man that through His example, love, patience, and hope might be shown. This He exemplified in His activity that we might choose, as He, to do that which is right, just, sincere, and honest, in our activities one with another.
(09:48:04) (Bill) . “Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.” (Matt. 25:40.)
(09:48:38) (Bill) The way is simple. Yet those who would seek through the mysteries of nature, the mysteries of the manifestations of life in the earth or those who would see the activities of their neighbors, friends, or associates,
(09:49:17) (Bill) rather than listen to that which may be had through the still small voice from within, become troubled and wondering, and then fearful, until there come periods when the sureness of self is lacking.
(09:49:47) (Bill) What are the requirements then, that we may become aware of His presence abiding with us? They are that we manifest love, patience, hope, charity, tolerance, and faith in our daily life.
(09:50:15) (Bill) These words, these expressions, these as visualized objects may be within us, and when we make such manifest in conversation, in example, in precept to those whom we meet day by day, we become aware of the Christ Consciousness.
(09:50:52) (Bill) Know the truth for the truth’s sake. “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” (Mark 13:31.)
(09:51:03) (Bill) .) Let not, then, the cares of the world, the deceitfulness of riches, pomp, glory, or fame, hinder us from applying in our relationship with our fellowman those laws through which we may become aware of His presence.
(09:51:29) (Bill) That offences must come, is true, but woe to him who bring them to pass!
(09:51:46) (Bill) May we not be idle in doing that which we know to be right. Let our activities be positive, our love be without dissimulation. “Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.” (Rom. 12:9.)
(09:52:26) (Bill) As we have seen in our own body that which has brought the fires of nature, the turmoil of disease, the wonderments even of distress, and as we have seen those influences, those powers, in nature that are manifestations of His love to man, we know that in our weakness,
(09:52:51) (Bill) in our strength, on Him alone can we lean for strength. He has prepared a way. We, in any phase of our experience, are only the channels to make application, or to give helpful understanding to others. His abiding presence is in and with us.
(09:53:24) (Bill) The destiny of the body lies with us. We can take only a perfect body back to our Maker. (See 696-3._
(09:53:51) (Bill) and thats the end of the lesson Destiny of the Body
(09:54:18) (Cris) Thanks Bill we appreciate your time
(09:54:36) (Bill) was if straight forward or does anyone have questions
(09:54:37) (WalksInSpirit) Thank you for a great chat and great presentation, Bill!
(09:55:13) (Roz) thanks Bill
(09:55:20) (Bill) Your very welcome it is always my pleasure to present this material because i need the reminder more than most
(10:00:52) (Bill) The way is simple. Yet those who would seek through the mysteries of nature, the mysteries of the manifestations of life in the earth or those who would see the activities of their neighbors, friends, or associates, rather than listen to that which may be had through the still small voice from within, become troubled and wondering, and then fearful, until there come periods when the sureness of self is lacking.
(10:01:34) (Bill) so what this is say is look within for our guidance not out and about is my take on it
(10:01:53) (Bill) let Jesus example be our guide
(10:01:54) (MaryAnne) That is my take as well Bill.
(10:02:01) (merri) yes but not sure i agree with that statement
(10:02:32) (merri) at least not the whole statement
(10:02:49) (MaryAnne) Please expand on that, merri
(10:02:56) (merri) without seeking the mysteries there won't be any progress
(10:03:24) (merri) no advancement or understanding
(10:04:05) (MaryAnne) I see. I take a somewhat different view in that as we seek within the mysteries are revealed as we are ready to understand them.
(10:04:20) (MaryAnne) That is my particular take.
(10:04:37) (Gordito) The Mystic seeks the Mysteries to the Kingdom of God and mans Relationship To God.
(10:04:42) (Bill) i think what its saying Merri is to use your own judgment , your own truth, not to be swayed by the grass that looks greener on the other side of the fence
(10:04:51) (Gordito) Within.
(10:05:14) (merri) that is probably part of it Bill
(10:05:59) (Bill) yes Gordito put your faith in the small still voice within and go straight ahead
(10:06:00) (merri) but I still think one must question and seek and do something to find some of the answers
(10:06:22) (Bill) eg. Merri :o)
(10:06:28) (Gordito) Once the Truth is found within yourself you may then be able to find it outside of yourself as well.
(10:06:48) (Gordito) If you can't find it within, you won't See It without.
(10:07:29) (Bill) We find ourselves in that state where we are subject to the faults, the failures, the conditions, that work upon our weaknesses. These may work through environmental and hereditary influences or through associations, yet there is the awareness in our experiences that God, Creative Force, has prepared the way of escape from those things that so easily beset us, if we call upon Him in sincerity.
(10:07:55) (Gordito) His Will isd the means of escape.
(10:08:43) (merri) but that is only the negative side Bill
(10:09:35) (Bill) Merri i think we have to keep these statements in context with the lesson of building a perfect body
(10:09:54) (Bill) the real body as the lesson said
(10:10:16) (Gordito) Through acting in the correct manner you may Receive the Pronmtings of Hisw Wilkl Through the Spirit of Christ when seld has been laid aside in the seeking of doing His Will not your own.
(10:10:26) (merri) I understand that Bill but it also has to be taken in context of our daily life
(10:11:01) (merri) and not only stating the negative aspects
(10:11:11) (Bill) What are the requirements then, that we may become aware of His presence abiding with us? They are that we manifest love, patience, hope, charity, tolerance, and faith in our daily life. These words, these expressions, these as visualized objects may be within us, and when we make such manifest in conversation, in example, in precept to those whom we meet day by day, we become aware of the Christ Consciousness.
(10:12:38) (Gordito) The Consciousness of the Spirit and the abilities to apply Same are the differences in the Christ consciousness and the Christ Spirit. Those with the abilities to Call Upon, to be so unselfish as to allow the Spirit to opperate in selfs stead are Aware of the Spirits Activity. While those that may be conscious or aware of a Truth may not wholly make It their own with out that which has been given in Matthew, "He thast would have Life, must give life." Cay
(10:14:37) (Bill) Merri it is by faith and application of our knowledge we leave these negative aspects behind and don't give them any foder by not dwelling on them with good positive attitudes and applications
(10:16:19) (merri) and it is by seeking, in my opinion, that one finds the knowledge to apply
(10:16:30) (Bill) The seed of every plan is within itself; the seed of every living influence is within itself. So in our acts in relation to our fellowman and to the world as a whole, the results that will be in our experiences are according to that which we have sown, or the manner in which we have dealt with our fellowman.
(10:17:04) (Bill) It is through activity that we may become more and more aware of how we use our opportunities. If we practice error, then error becomes more and more prominent in our dealing with others. If our activity is selfless, then we come like Him who gave Himself for the world. In whatever way we prepare ourselves then the time and place to use that prepared will come.
(10:18:09) (merri) yes it is all within self but what make one become aware of this
(10:18:29) (merri) do you just get a flash?
(10:18:33) (Gordito) The subconscious mind may only be fully understood when viewed from the Spiritual View Point or Aspect. The conscious mind rarely receives the the Entrance of the Truth in the subconscious, save through rest, sleep, or when such consciousnesses are subjecated through the act of the individual, as in the case of Cayce. Cayce 900-59
(10:18:45) (KingShao) Just as he transcends every word,and he transcends every voice and he transcends every mind and he transcends everything and he transcends every silence ,so it is with those who are that which he is
(10:18:53) (merri) do you wake up one day and say "gee I've got it!"
(10:19:22) (Bill) once you find the knowledge Merri you still have to judge it for its credibility then you have to make the choice to apply it , yes Merri that does happen during the process of life
(10:20:12) (Gordito) You wake up in any case and one day you've entered into a Place of Silence Which Moves You In His Will.
(10:20:28) (merri) I don't see that happening without alot of imput Bill
(10:20:36) (Gordito) By the Promptings of His Spirit.
(10:20:50) (Gordito) Reborn then of Spirit.
(10:21:02) (Bill) like here in this chat room for example we seek but the still small voice within is going to be or should be the guide to whether or not your going to use the knowledge gained here
(10:21:33) (Gordito) The idea is to allow That Small Still Voice To Become Your Voice.
(10:22:25) (KingShao) called Silence because of the Peace and Tranquility
(10:23:06) (Gordito) Silver and gold are those necessary elements that are needed in body when mind has been Attuned To God. Cayce 3491-1
(10:23:48) (merri) so in essence we are seeking the mysteries aren't we?
(10:24:23) (Gordito) The Mysteries to Understanding Your True Nature In Relationship To God and Each Other.
(10:24:39) (Gordito) Which are sought within.
(10:25:22) (KingShao) Quiet
(10:25:22) (Bill) seek to find our true self within?
(10:25:34) (merri) much is sought without before the within becomes known
(10:25:42) (Gordito) No
(10:26:08) (Gordito) The Within is made Aware of through applying that which is given within.
(10:26:35) (merri) if one is not aware how can you apply
(10:26:45) (Gordito) You won't finfd It in any book, or in the words anyone gives you till you finfd It within yourself first.
(10:26:49) (merri) by chance, lol
(10:26:56) (Gordito) Until then they are just words to you.
(10:27:39) (Gordito) Through seeking.
(10:27:47) (Gordito) God Supplys.
(10:27:58) (merri) well that's what I've been saying!!
(10:28:11) (Bill) The purpose for which our soul chose to come into this earth plane was to awaken the divine within, which is done through manifesting the fruits of the spirit toward our fellowman.
(10:28:28) (Gordito) I don't believe Cayce because he is Cayce, but because He Coincides To the Truth within myself.
(10:29:38) (Bill) . Then we should do with our might what our hands find to do, leaving the results in the hands of Him who gives the increase.
(10:30:45) (Gordito) Give all power unto Power Itself. All will unto the Will of the One.
(10:30:51) (Bill) all our seeking should be how to better serve that all may be made aware of the Christ Spirit which abides in each of us
(10:31:07) (Gordito) Yes Bill;
(10:31:11) (Bill) Let us look upon every experience as a necessary element in our own development, knowing that He who clothes the fowls or the air and the lilies of the field will be mindful of those who love His ways.
(10:31:44) (Gordito) Cayce gave the greatest thing one could do was to help another to attain the Christ Consciousness.
(10:32:09) (Gordito) He also gave ones will must be in submission to the Will of the Giver first.
(10:35:54) (Bill) All must pass under the rod, but He has tempered it with mercy and judgment. So must we temper our judgments, so must we find patience, so must we find those thing within self that make for the answer to us before the Throne of grace. If we would have mercy, we must show mercy to our fellowman, yes, to our enemies, to those who despitefully use us.
(10:36:50) (Gordito) Must be bord of water and bloood; Cayce gave Water as the cleasing of the reincanation experience and Blood as being Born Again by allowing the Spirit of His Consciousness to be the Manifesting Force in your life.
(10:36:56) (Gordito) Yes that is true Bill
(10:37:03) (Gordito) born
(10:38:17) (Bill) every one of these lesson basicly go over the same thing just giving us different angles of perseption so we may grasp a straw here and there accordding to our understanding so we may a basis for application in our lives
(10:38:27) (Gordito) Yes
(10:39:43) (Bill) i'm going to repost a paragraph i found interesting
(10:40:06) (Bill) Death in the flesh is a birth into the realm of another experience, to those who so live that they are not bound by earthly ties. This does not mean that we do not have our own experience in and about the earth, for we come into the earth plane for the purpose of further development toward a cooperative, coordinating activity with the Creative Force that manifests through our activities in materiality.
(10:40:13) (Bill) In the earth the choice is by will, while in the interim, between the earthly incarnations, the choice is conditioned by that which has been accomplished by us in manifested form; for we must meet that which we have sown in the body.
(10:41:32) (merri) what is your perception of that statement Bill
(10:41:37) (Bill) though i've read this many many times i'd forgot its implications
(10:41:37) (Bill) though i've read this many many times i'd forgot its implications
(10:42:21) (merri) how is the choice conditioned by that which has been accomplished by us in manifested form?
(10:42:46) (Bill) Merri to me its says we have more opportunity in the earths sphere to make choices than in the next releam
(10:43:15) (MaryAnne) To me that ties in with Cayce saying it is not what we say or do but what we are that matters.
(10:43:30) (Bill) i've simplified my answer to you cause i'd have to write a book for explanation
(10:43:35) (merri) our choices are based on our development as far as the next realm is concerned?
(10:44:23) (Gordito) What we say, think, do, manifest in consciousnesss makes us what we are.
(10:44:30) (Bill) maybe our lessons in the next realm are based on what we've choosen to do with the opportunities while here
(10:44:35) (merri) but don't we become what we are by what we say and do MaryAnn?
(10:45:37) (MaryAnne) Not necessarily merri...I think it means what we say and do reflects what we are...saying without meaning means little
(10:45:51) (Gordito) Yes what you are taught, where you go in the afterlife, in the interim, depends upon what you make out of thye earthly experience.
(10:46:11) (MaryAnne) It has to do with some saying Christ, Christ and being rejected...while others do not know the Christ and are not rejected
(10:46:31) (merri) so if we have made bad choices here it limits our choices in the next realm?
(10:46:37) (Bill) we are not necessarily who we pretend to be but are that which we manifest many are hiding behind masks
(10:47:01) (Bill) don't judge a man by his words judge him by his actions
(10:47:21) (Gordito) The Consciousness of the Spirit and the abilities to apply Same are the differences in the Christ consciousness and the Christ Spirit. Those with the abilities to Call Upon, to be so unselfish as to allow the Spirit to opperate in selfs stead are Aware of the Spirits Activity. While those that may be conscious or aware of a Truth may not wholly make It their own with out that which has been given in Matthew, "He that would have Life, must give life." Cayc
(10:47:30) (Gordito) Do not judge.
(10:47:43) (Gordito) Least ye be judged in like manner.
(10:47:52) (MaryAnne) I am trying to find a way to word this....and this may not be clear.....we have choices here but experience the result of our choices in the next realm
(10:48:16) (Gordito) Karma and cause and effect.
(10:48:21) (Bill) Merri maybe what it means is the lessons in the next realm will be governed by the choices we've made here and it is this realm where the greats opportunities ly for the greatest development
(10:48:25) (Gordito) Cause and effect is current.
(10:48:31) (Gordito) Karma carries over.
(10:48:53) (MaryAnne) Karma is just thinking patterns and those can be easily changed.
(10:49:32) (Gordito) Karma is law and must be met by all.
(10:49:38) (Bill) karma is just another way of saying we make our own bed and must sleep in it
(10:49:49) (merri) lol
(10:49:57) (Gordito) Thinking patterns and karma are not the same.
(10:50:30) (Gordito) Thinking patterns affect your thoughts, words asnd actions which create your karma.
(10:50:35) (MaryAnne) According to Cayce they are the same
(10:51:01) (Bill) karma are the stepping stones we've set before our selves to over come and grow some times the steps are higher than others but all must be overcome
(10:52:30) (Bill) thoughts are things, thoughts created our future, if we choose to make lower choices with our thought patterns the steps to over come will be set according ly
(10:52:34) (Gordito) Karma the balance kept between the lessons needed and the balace of the actions, words and thoughts which have created the jhkarma.
(10:53:51) (Gordito) Under the Law of Grace you may be forgiven of the sins which have brought about the necessity for the lessonms which still must be learned.
(10:54:11) (Gordito) That is why it is best to meet your karma in Him by Way of Grace.
(10:55:27) (Bill) . The seed of every plan is within itself; the seed of every living influence is within itself. So in our acts in relation to our fellowman and to the world as a whole, the results that will be in our experiences are according to that which we have sown, or the manner in which we have dealt with our fellowman.
(10:57:13) (Bill) in the application of our highest truths as we know them we fall into Grace or are acting accordingly to His will and grace will adjust our karma accordingly
(10:59:45) (merri) TY for tonight's interesting study Bill
(11:00:57) (Bill) what the Cayce readings say is there's no escapeing our karma but some of the severity can be lessoned by our applying God's will in our lives and recieving grace
