Post by WalksInSpirit on Apr 24, 2006 22:19:21 GMT -5
Search For God - Book Two Study: 04-24-06
Lesson 4: Desire
(09:29:31) (Bill) okay lets see what this lesson has to offer us this evening!
(09:29:44) (Bill) Father, let Thy desires be my desires. Let my desires, God, be Thy desires, in spirit and in truth. (262-60.) Amen
(09:29:57) (merri) Amen
(09:30:02) (Sandy) Amen
(09:30:02) (Cris) Amen
(09:30:04) (Sophia) amen
(09:30:12) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:30:17) (Stretch) Amen
(09:31:31) (Bill) Introduction: Desire originates in the will. It is of the earth and of the spirit. It is activated, in the realms in which it is directed by that which is the motivating force, through the will and the mental abilities and faculties of the individual. (See 262-64.)
(09:32:25) (Bill) “(Desire) is the basis of evolution, and of life, and of truth. It also takes hold on hell and paves the way for many (who) find themselves oft therein. In spirit, in body, in mind.” (262-60.)
(09:33:06) (Bill) Desire is the power which drives our physical, our spiritual self, while will is the directing force. The positions in which we find ourselves are drawn to us through our desires. Whatever we are physically, mentally or spiritually has been built through desire.
(09:33:47) (Bill) PHYSICAL DESIRES: It is written in the Scriptures, “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” (Gen. 2:7.)
(09:34:47) (Bill) whether we're liked or not would be the results of our actions
(09:34:59) (Bill) Biologically, man makes himself as an animal on the physical plane with three primary urges ~~ self-preservation, propagation of the species, and hunger. These three are forces in man and animal that are instincts.
(09:35:26) (Bill) . If by the force of will man uses them for self-aggrandizement, they then become material desires, and are the basis of carnal influences. In so doing he belittles his spiritual or soul body.
(09:36:08) (Bill) The basis of physical desire is adding to, contributing to, or gathering together, in forces, that which makes for the abilities of each of us to revel in those urges that are of the animal nature. If we are governed by these, there is no recourse for us other than through spirit.
(09:37:12) (Bill) . Our soul was created as a companion with the Creator, able to become aware of itself, yet with influences that require the spiritualizing of the creative power of will. This develops god-likeness in the soul or activity. (See 262-63.)
(09:37:47) (Bill) “ . . . spirit moves in the direction in which it is motivated by will and desire.” (262-64.)
(09:37:57) (Bill) Physical desires which are not spiritualized hinder the development of the consciousness of oneness with God.
(09:38:28) (Bill) “I asked in prayer for three things. All of them were physical desires. One was for the protection of the name of the family, one for comfort, one for some other work to do. The prayer was answered, but it did not bring either peace or harmony, only discord, trouble and greater responsibility. In whatever place we find ourselves, if we have the Christ spirit, we will have peace.” (P.E.)
(09:38:34) (Stretch) Hindere. Thus a temporary state.
(09:39:29) (Bill) MENTAL DESIRES: Let us empty ourselves of desires that are physical in purpose, that our spiritual attitude may be glorified in our walks before our fellowman. Our greater soul development may be found by losing sight of ourselves, by spiritualizing our material desires, and by seeking more and more the Christ Consciousness.
(09:40:13) (Bill) In the garden when the Master prayed, “O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless not as I will,” (Matt. 26:39.) we see the flesh warring with the spirit itself and physical desire spiritualized.
(09:40:50) (Bill) In making our physical desires one with the will of the Father, we will pass through conditions in our experience similar to those of Jesus, who became the Christ. Pray then that His will be done in us, and through us, that we may desire to be channels of blessing to others, in the ways and manners that He sees best. “Not our way, O Lord, but Thy way.”
(09:41:28) (Bill) This is spiritualizing physical desires. In studying desire, we may question in our mind as to whether it is necessary for us to give up all physical desires in order to develop spiritually. It is not necessary to give them up, but it is necessary to spiritualize them, that our desires may be His desires, and His desires, our desires.
(09:42:07) (Bill) “And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also,” (Luke 6:29.) are examples of spiritualizing desire; for in so doing the desire for vengeance becomes spiritualized through love and forgiveness.
(09:42:59) (Bill) This experience is an illustration: “I had reached the place where I must choose whether I should take my place with those who are preparing the way for the coming of His Kingdom, or accept the ease and pleasure the world offered me.
(09:43:27) (Bill) It was a great comfort to me to know that the Master had a similar choice to make, and that in love He overcame desires of the flesh. My prayer was, I cannot bear this alone, my Savior, my Christ. I seek Thy aid.” (P.E.)
(09:44:25) (Bill) The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the gospel of love and forbearance. To be like Him we must spiritualize the desire to get even by doing good to all for His name’s sake.
(09:44:45) (Bill) . We must desire that the Lord will us as channels of blessing to all whom we contact day by day, and that there may come in our experience whatever is necessary that we may be cleansed completely; for when our soul shines forth in our daily walks, in our conversation, in our thoughts, in our meditation, we spiritualize our desires in the earth.
(09:45:26) (Bill) As He has given, “It must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence commeth!” (Matt. 18:7.) Let our desires be so unselfish that we may never sin against our fellowman. We must be the arm, the shoulder, the one upon whom someone may lean as he comes in his experience to the knowledge of the love of Christ.
(09:46:07) (Bill) When we have suffered through the acts of others and can realize that the suffering has made us more gentle, more considerate, when we regard with compassion the one who caused the suffering, and desire that nothing but good may come to him, then our desire for revenge has been changed into a spiritual desire.
(09:47:43) (Bill) I think if we are able to digest what has been given in this lesson so far it will be enough for this evening
(09:48:08) (Bill) we can discuse what ever your hearts desire now!
(09:48:51) (Bill) every thing clear as mud or have you all got it down pat?
(09:49:11) (merri) so by changing a negative to a positive we spiritualize the mental thought?
(09:49:13) (MaryAnne) I have an example, I think...along these lines....if any would care to hear it.
(09:49:18) (Lory) Thank you Bill. As always these lessons are priceless and so very important for us to remember and try to obey.
(09:49:35) (Roz) please do Mary Anne
(09:49:37) (lil) put a touch of cinnamon in mine, Cris, okay?
(09:49:40) (Lory) Indeed, MaryAnne
(09:49:41) (WalksInSpirit) Thank you Bill! Great lesson!
(09:49:49) (lil) well done, Bill
(09:49:49) (Cris) ok
(09:49:50) (Bill) yes merri we spiritualize it by manifesting what we know in our heart to be the right thing
(09:50:07) (Cris) I'd like to hear it MaryAnne
(09:50:16) (MaryAnne) My son was being trained to drive a truck cross country by a wonderful man. He learned later that this particular trainer....
(09:50:22) (Bill) and as you know Lory you and i get to read them a few times extra :o)
(09:50:30) (MaryAnne) had been trained by someone who was quite abusive in his language...
(09:50:38) (Bill) Love to hear it MaryAnne
(09:50:50) (MaryAnne) so he decided he would take it as it came and do better himself...
(09:51:03) (MaryAnne) my son was the beneficiary of his forebearance and choice
(09:51:10) (MaryAnne) the end.
(09:51:34) (Roz) great lesson Mary Anne thanks
(09:51:54) (merri) wonderful example MaryAnne
(09:52:41) (MaryAnne) It sometimes seems to me it is from these small kindnesses that the greater miracles come to us.
(09:53:11) (Bill) that MaryAnne is one way we learn by example in this case your sons teacher learned fro anothers poor example :o)
(09:53:11) (MaryAnne) Well, actually it seems that way to me always.
(09:53:12) (Cris) Sometimes the small things in life make all the difference
(09:53:18) (Lory) You are right MaryAnne, it is always the smallest of things that seem to be the most important.
(09:53:19) (Roz) and by example rather than preaching
(09:53:51) (MaryAnne) Yes, Roz...example is always best
(09:54:15) (merri) that one small kindness can change a life
(09:55:29) (Roz) often times actions speaks so loud ya cant hear the words
(09:55:41) (Bill) and a miss quided comment can cause a lot of resentment
(09:56:11) (merri) so desire is directed by will....we desire something and will "made us do it"?
(09:56:51) (MaryAnne) Yes, Bill...that is always a danger
(09:57:25) (Cris) ego can get us in trouble too
(09:57:59) (MaryAnne) I have trouble at times balacing the ego and properly directed will
(09:58:17) (Bill) Cris its our ego we must spiritulize setting self aside
(09:58:32) (Roz) esp when we think that our truth is the truth
(09:58:37) (lil) I'm not too good at that yet
(09:58:41) (Stretch) Or how does one reach a certain objective. The right way or the wrong way. Stepping on others?
(09:58:49) (lil) balancing the ego
(09:59:02) (Bill) we must use our will to direct our desires in a manner which is fitting with His will
(09:59:03) (Gordito) You cannot serve two masters.
(09:59:18) (KingShao) Always the wisdom of man is foolishness to God
(09:59:29) (Lory) Explain please, Bill, how to go about spiritualizing a desire.
(10:00:02) (lil) yes, please do
(10:00:09) (Gordito) As Cayce gave, "Only the Christ Consciousaness may understand the Christ Consciousness.
(10:00:11) (Bill) your sesires must be for the benifit of all not just for the angrandisment of self
(10:00:16) (Bill) desires
(10:00:21) (Gordito) No application no understanding.
(10:00:29) (KingShao) I Agree
(10:00:30) (WalksInSpirit) The thing about getting too preachy is... when you start that, you immediately turn off your "audience." 99% of what you're trying to convey is never heard. So, actions are a far better way to convey things.
(10:00:34) (Gordito) The more application the more understanding.
(10:00:36) (Stretch) That was a brilliant statement I must say.
(10:00:40) (Cris) I've learned to step back and mentally view a situation before opening my mouth. I come from a large family and hurt feelings can last a long time if you aren't careful
(10:00:48) (Blu) another example would be blessing your food before eating
(10:01:03) (lil) well, Bill, how then do the money grubbing "holy men" on TV get by with what they do? they seem not to be punished for any of that
(10:01:09) (Lory) But if I wish a chocolate bar, and it is not for the benefit of all, how do I spiritualize that action, Bill?
(10:01:24) (lil) you give it to me, Lory & save any problem from happening!
(10:01:28) (Cris) It's health food for you Lory
(10:01:31) (Roz) great statement Bill
(10:01:33) (Gordito) Good thing the Ways of God are Above the Ways of man.
(10:01:34) (Blu) LOL
(10:01:45) (merri) LOL
(10:01:45) (Lory) lol lil
(10:01:55) (WalksInSpirit) We may not see the punishment, Lil, but who knows what kinds of private Hells they endure. And I believe they DO answer.
(10:02:01) (lil) known as thinking ahead!
(10:02:08) (Bill) Lil its not for us to concern what others or how others wish to conduct themselves it is our resonsibility to be concerned how we conduct ourselves
(10:02:23) (MaryAnne) They may ever not suffer any hells in this lifetime
(10:02:33) (Stretch) Right on, Bill.
(10:02:41) (lil) well, yeah, Bill - nobody is as hard on me, as ME!
(10:03:52) (Blu) Lory, all good things come from god and giving thanks is a way of spiritualizing the food.
(10:04:30) (Lory) Ah, Blu, so all I need to do then is ask for God's blessing and thank him for my chocolate bar?
(10:04:49) (Blu) Sure, and don't eat the whole box of them
(10:05:18) (lil) now there's the problem - with low blood sugar, if I eat one, want the others - right now!
(10:05:31) (lil) shouldn't have the first one, of course
(10:06:32) (lil) well, Lory - there goes our cup of hot chocolate!
(10:08:36) (Bill) Desire originates in the will. It is of the earth and of the spirit. It is activated, in the realms in which it is directed by that which is the motivating force, through the will and the mental abilities and faculties of the individual. (See 262-64.)
(10:09:19) (Bill) through the will and the mental abilities and faculties of the individual
(10:09:32) (Bill) “(Desire) is the basis of evolution, and of life, and of truth. It also takes hold on hell and paves the way for many (who) find themselves oft therein. In spirit, in body, in mind.” (262-60.)
(10:09:39) (WalksInSpirit) While I believe it's more what comes out of the man that defiles the body, we're still to treat the body as a temple. (I take to mean: respect, bless our food before we ingest it, etc.) I mean, you can't very well treat it like a honky tonk and expect to do very well.
(10:10:31) (Stretch) Yea. Lots of Honky Tonkin' going on these days.
(10:11:24) (Bill) Desire is the power which drives our physical, our spiritual self, while will is the directing force.
(10:11:29) (Roz) Thanks Bill for the chat
(10:11:58) (Bill) . The positions in which we find ourselves are drawn to us through our desires. Whatever we are physically, mentally or spiritually has been built through desire.
(10:12:36) (Gladrielle) However we do must consider Karma, Bill
(10:12:49) (Bill) see W_E like you said desire even effects our physical so best look after it
(10:13:01) (Bill) why Glad
(10:13:15) (merri) karma is built by desire
(10:13:38) (merri) or the result of desire
(10:13:40) (Bill) live our life in such a way only good will come of it
(10:13:42) (Gladrielle) Karma is built through ......emotional attachment
(10:13:57) (Stretch) Emtional carry overs from previous experiences in the earth.
(10:14:17) (Gladrielle) It is a major part....I do agree
(10:14:29) (Bill) If by the force of will man uses them for self-aggrandizement, they then become material desires, and are the basis of carnal influences. In so doing he belittles his spiritual or soul body.
(10:14:32) (merri) more than one aspect of our lives results in karma
(10:15:02) (Gladrielle) Are we not living energy?
(10:15:15) (merri) yes
(10:15:29) (Gladrielle) We are but what we think we are
(10:15:37) (Gordito) But to what vibration?
(10:15:48) (Stretch) Is not all life living energy?
(10:15:49) (Gladrielle) That is a personal aspect
(10:15:51) (Gordito) We build upon that.
(10:15:53) (Bill) and so direct that energy in a manner fitting guided by the Christ Spirit within
(10:15:57) (Stretch) Is not all creation living energy?
(10:16:02) (KingShao) so don't think and be what God wants you to be
(10:16:07) (Gordito) Yes.
(10:16:17) (Gladrielle) If I may
(10:16:36) (Gordito) But the difference in the vibrations masnifested are the result of what you have done.
(10:16:51) (Gladrielle) Are we not made in the image of our Creator?
(10:16:59) (Gordito) Originally.
(10:17:23) (Gladrielle) Does spirit....ever die?
(10:17:31) (Gordito) But man through his own desires has become less then what he Was At His Inception, when All Were As Gods.
(10:17:34) (Sandy) Gordito, so what do you mean by originally?
(10:17:42) (lil) not if you equate spirit with soul
(10:17:50) (lil) never
(10:17:56) (Gladrielle) Do we not recognize our source....spiritually speaking
(10:18:04) (Gordito) As Cayce gave, m"Our souls are a mere shadow of Their Fornmer Glory and Stature.
(10:18:17) (Stretch) The image was created in the Beginning and has not changed since. Only our impatience is being expressed.
(10:18:20) (lil) you always were good at this, Glad
(10:18:24) (Gordito) When God Made Us In His Image.
(10:18:42) (lil) enjoy listening to you, as always
(10:18:42) (Gordito) When He Moved and Lewft Portions of Himself In His Wake.,
(10:18:50) (Lory) Spirit and Soul are not the same.
(10:19:09) (Gordito) The Image He Saved Isw the Same.
(10:19:12) (Stretch) And what is that "Image"? It is that each entity has a Will, a Mind, and Spirit.
(10:19:13) (Gordito) \We have changes.
(10:19:22) (Gordito) Through our manifestations.
(10:19:30) (Bill) Gladrielle it is up to us to recognize our true selves if we did we most likely wouldn't be here
(10:19:31) (Gordito) We have become far less then we were.
(10:19:43) (Gordito) When we were in His Plans.
(10:20:05) (Gordito) But Jesus showed the Way to nRegain Our Former Glory.
(10:20:17) (KingShao) Yes
(10:21:03) (Gordito) No the Image Is In His Inception of What Each Should Be vat Our Inception.
(10:21:05) (Bill) through manifesting the Christ Spirit within during our daily lives
(10:21:10) (Gladrielle) Shall we speak of "free will"?
(10:21:17) (Gordito) That Is The Image He Retains.
(10:21:28) (Stretch) A very peculiar thought. I must think upon that.
(10:21:41) (Gordito) That is why it is through the loss of self that you Regain Your Former Estate.
(10:21:53) (KingShao) I Agree
(10:22:13) (Gladrielle) Forgive me......I do not understand
(10:22:41) (Bill) well according to Cayce the only self we should be setting asside is our ego self
(10:22:43) (Stretch) At times, I'm also very agreable.
(10:23:06) (Gordito) When the conscious kji9nd, has been laid aside, the sub-conscious mind subplants it, allowing the Super Conscious to come through.
(10:23:07) (Stretch) But at other times I can be very disagreeable.
(10:23:11) (Gordito) That is the Way.
(10:23:23) (KingShao) Yes
(10:23:44) (Stretch) And at other times I just can't mke up my mind.
(10:23:49) (Gordito) Self lost in doing His Will, the conscious mind being laid aside, lost in His Will, is the result.
(10:23:51) (Gladrielle) Stretch.......that is acceptable.....for are we not all.......lol
(10:24:08) (Bill) Our soul was created as a companion with the Creator, able to become aware of itself, yet with influences that require the spiritualizing of the creative power of will. This develops god-likeness in the soul or activity. (See 262-63.)
(10:24:22) (Lory) I have learned to check my mind and change it if necessary. :-)
(10:24:38) (Bill) able to become aware of itself, yet with influences that require the spiritualizing of the creative power of will.
(10:24:45) (Gladrielle) A change of mind.....is healthy Lory
(10:24:53) (Stretch) Right on there Glad. Also, sometimes I think I'm not all there.
(10:25:12) (Gladrielle) lol.......Stretch.......
(10:25:34) (Gordito) it is through change in the mind that change in ones life comes about.
(10:25:46) (Gordito) Different mind set....different life.
(10:25:59) (Gladrielle) It is but a step..Gordito
(10:26:01) (Stretch) And, I've noticed, that I'm not the only one that is not all there.
(10:26:13) (Gordito) You then have different needs and your life changes by His Hand.
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(10:26:19) (Lory) Touche, Stretch
(10:26:37) (KingShao) freedom from self
(10:26:54) (Gladrielle) Freedom of thought, King
(10:26:55) (Stretch) Some may call that a mental spiritualzing process.
(10:27:08) (Bill) in the Cayce readings my understanding is we are to bring the sub and super consciousness to the for front so our consciousness is one
(10:27:26) (Gordito) Yes freedom from thought.
(10:27:33) (Gladrielle) Bill.....if I may say
(10:27:35) (Gordito) Freedom from having to think.
(10:27:45) (Gordito) Becoming then the Answer to all things.
(10:27:53) (Gordito) Takes some work.
(10:28:04) (Gladrielle) My intention is not to offend.........we are free.......we simply forget
(10:28:07) (Lory) Would it not be better to go the other way, Bill?
(10:28:13) (KingShao) A channel of Blessing to mankind
(09:29:44) (Bill) Father, let Thy desires be my desires. Let my desires, God, be Thy desires, in spirit and in truth. (262-60.) Amen
(09:29:57) (merri) Amen
(09:30:02) (Sandy) Amen
(09:30:02) (Cris) Amen
(09:30:04) (Sophia) amen
(09:30:12) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:30:17) (Stretch) Amen
(09:31:31) (Bill) Introduction: Desire originates in the will. It is of the earth and of the spirit. It is activated, in the realms in which it is directed by that which is the motivating force, through the will and the mental abilities and faculties of the individual. (See 262-64.)
(09:32:25) (Bill) “(Desire) is the basis of evolution, and of life, and of truth. It also takes hold on hell and paves the way for many (who) find themselves oft therein. In spirit, in body, in mind.” (262-60.)
(09:33:06) (Bill) Desire is the power which drives our physical, our spiritual self, while will is the directing force. The positions in which we find ourselves are drawn to us through our desires. Whatever we are physically, mentally or spiritually has been built through desire.
(09:33:47) (Bill) PHYSICAL DESIRES: It is written in the Scriptures, “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” (Gen. 2:7.)
(09:34:47) (Bill) whether we're liked or not would be the results of our actions
(09:34:59) (Bill) Biologically, man makes himself as an animal on the physical plane with three primary urges ~~ self-preservation, propagation of the species, and hunger. These three are forces in man and animal that are instincts.
(09:35:26) (Bill) . If by the force of will man uses them for self-aggrandizement, they then become material desires, and are the basis of carnal influences. In so doing he belittles his spiritual or soul body.
(09:36:08) (Bill) The basis of physical desire is adding to, contributing to, or gathering together, in forces, that which makes for the abilities of each of us to revel in those urges that are of the animal nature. If we are governed by these, there is no recourse for us other than through spirit.
(09:37:12) (Bill) . Our soul was created as a companion with the Creator, able to become aware of itself, yet with influences that require the spiritualizing of the creative power of will. This develops god-likeness in the soul or activity. (See 262-63.)
(09:37:47) (Bill) “ . . . spirit moves in the direction in which it is motivated by will and desire.” (262-64.)
(09:37:57) (Bill) Physical desires which are not spiritualized hinder the development of the consciousness of oneness with God.
(09:38:28) (Bill) “I asked in prayer for three things. All of them were physical desires. One was for the protection of the name of the family, one for comfort, one for some other work to do. The prayer was answered, but it did not bring either peace or harmony, only discord, trouble and greater responsibility. In whatever place we find ourselves, if we have the Christ spirit, we will have peace.” (P.E.)
(09:38:34) (Stretch) Hindere. Thus a temporary state.
(09:39:29) (Bill) MENTAL DESIRES: Let us empty ourselves of desires that are physical in purpose, that our spiritual attitude may be glorified in our walks before our fellowman. Our greater soul development may be found by losing sight of ourselves, by spiritualizing our material desires, and by seeking more and more the Christ Consciousness.
(09:40:13) (Bill) In the garden when the Master prayed, “O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless not as I will,” (Matt. 26:39.) we see the flesh warring with the spirit itself and physical desire spiritualized.
(09:40:50) (Bill) In making our physical desires one with the will of the Father, we will pass through conditions in our experience similar to those of Jesus, who became the Christ. Pray then that His will be done in us, and through us, that we may desire to be channels of blessing to others, in the ways and manners that He sees best. “Not our way, O Lord, but Thy way.”
(09:41:28) (Bill) This is spiritualizing physical desires. In studying desire, we may question in our mind as to whether it is necessary for us to give up all physical desires in order to develop spiritually. It is not necessary to give them up, but it is necessary to spiritualize them, that our desires may be His desires, and His desires, our desires.
(09:42:07) (Bill) “And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also,” (Luke 6:29.) are examples of spiritualizing desire; for in so doing the desire for vengeance becomes spiritualized through love and forgiveness.
(09:42:59) (Bill) This experience is an illustration: “I had reached the place where I must choose whether I should take my place with those who are preparing the way for the coming of His Kingdom, or accept the ease and pleasure the world offered me.
(09:43:27) (Bill) It was a great comfort to me to know that the Master had a similar choice to make, and that in love He overcame desires of the flesh. My prayer was, I cannot bear this alone, my Savior, my Christ. I seek Thy aid.” (P.E.)
(09:44:25) (Bill) The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the gospel of love and forbearance. To be like Him we must spiritualize the desire to get even by doing good to all for His name’s sake.
(09:44:45) (Bill) . We must desire that the Lord will us as channels of blessing to all whom we contact day by day, and that there may come in our experience whatever is necessary that we may be cleansed completely; for when our soul shines forth in our daily walks, in our conversation, in our thoughts, in our meditation, we spiritualize our desires in the earth.
(09:45:26) (Bill) As He has given, “It must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence commeth!” (Matt. 18:7.) Let our desires be so unselfish that we may never sin against our fellowman. We must be the arm, the shoulder, the one upon whom someone may lean as he comes in his experience to the knowledge of the love of Christ.
(09:46:07) (Bill) When we have suffered through the acts of others and can realize that the suffering has made us more gentle, more considerate, when we regard with compassion the one who caused the suffering, and desire that nothing but good may come to him, then our desire for revenge has been changed into a spiritual desire.
(09:47:43) (Bill) I think if we are able to digest what has been given in this lesson so far it will be enough for this evening
(09:48:08) (Bill) we can discuse what ever your hearts desire now!
(09:48:51) (Bill) every thing clear as mud or have you all got it down pat?
(09:49:11) (merri) so by changing a negative to a positive we spiritualize the mental thought?
(09:49:13) (MaryAnne) I have an example, I think...along these lines....if any would care to hear it.
(09:49:18) (Lory) Thank you Bill. As always these lessons are priceless and so very important for us to remember and try to obey.
(09:49:35) (Roz) please do Mary Anne
(09:49:37) (lil) put a touch of cinnamon in mine, Cris, okay?
(09:49:40) (Lory) Indeed, MaryAnne
(09:49:41) (WalksInSpirit) Thank you Bill! Great lesson!
(09:49:49) (lil) well done, Bill
(09:49:49) (Cris) ok
(09:49:50) (Bill) yes merri we spiritualize it by manifesting what we know in our heart to be the right thing
(09:50:07) (Cris) I'd like to hear it MaryAnne
(09:50:16) (MaryAnne) My son was being trained to drive a truck cross country by a wonderful man. He learned later that this particular trainer....
(09:50:22) (Bill) and as you know Lory you and i get to read them a few times extra :o)
(09:50:30) (MaryAnne) had been trained by someone who was quite abusive in his language...
(09:50:38) (Bill) Love to hear it MaryAnne
(09:50:50) (MaryAnne) so he decided he would take it as it came and do better himself...
(09:51:03) (MaryAnne) my son was the beneficiary of his forebearance and choice
(09:51:10) (MaryAnne) the end.
(09:51:34) (Roz) great lesson Mary Anne thanks
(09:51:54) (merri) wonderful example MaryAnne
(09:52:41) (MaryAnne) It sometimes seems to me it is from these small kindnesses that the greater miracles come to us.
(09:53:11) (Bill) that MaryAnne is one way we learn by example in this case your sons teacher learned fro anothers poor example :o)
(09:53:11) (MaryAnne) Well, actually it seems that way to me always.
(09:53:12) (Cris) Sometimes the small things in life make all the difference
(09:53:18) (Lory) You are right MaryAnne, it is always the smallest of things that seem to be the most important.
(09:53:19) (Roz) and by example rather than preaching
(09:53:51) (MaryAnne) Yes, Roz...example is always best
(09:54:15) (merri) that one small kindness can change a life
(09:55:29) (Roz) often times actions speaks so loud ya cant hear the words
(09:55:41) (Bill) and a miss quided comment can cause a lot of resentment
(09:56:11) (merri) so desire is directed by will....we desire something and will "made us do it"?
(09:56:51) (MaryAnne) Yes, Bill...that is always a danger
(09:57:25) (Cris) ego can get us in trouble too
(09:57:59) (MaryAnne) I have trouble at times balacing the ego and properly directed will
(09:58:17) (Bill) Cris its our ego we must spiritulize setting self aside
(09:58:32) (Roz) esp when we think that our truth is the truth
(09:58:37) (lil) I'm not too good at that yet
(09:58:41) (Stretch) Or how does one reach a certain objective. The right way or the wrong way. Stepping on others?
(09:58:49) (lil) balancing the ego
(09:59:02) (Bill) we must use our will to direct our desires in a manner which is fitting with His will
(09:59:03) (Gordito) You cannot serve two masters.
(09:59:18) (KingShao) Always the wisdom of man is foolishness to God
(09:59:29) (Lory) Explain please, Bill, how to go about spiritualizing a desire.
(10:00:02) (lil) yes, please do
(10:00:09) (Gordito) As Cayce gave, "Only the Christ Consciousaness may understand the Christ Consciousness.
(10:00:11) (Bill) your sesires must be for the benifit of all not just for the angrandisment of self
(10:00:16) (Bill) desires
(10:00:21) (Gordito) No application no understanding.
(10:00:29) (KingShao) I Agree
(10:00:30) (WalksInSpirit) The thing about getting too preachy is... when you start that, you immediately turn off your "audience." 99% of what you're trying to convey is never heard. So, actions are a far better way to convey things.
(10:00:34) (Gordito) The more application the more understanding.
(10:00:36) (Stretch) That was a brilliant statement I must say.
(10:00:40) (Cris) I've learned to step back and mentally view a situation before opening my mouth. I come from a large family and hurt feelings can last a long time if you aren't careful
(10:00:48) (Blu) another example would be blessing your food before eating
(10:01:03) (lil) well, Bill, how then do the money grubbing "holy men" on TV get by with what they do? they seem not to be punished for any of that
(10:01:09) (Lory) But if I wish a chocolate bar, and it is not for the benefit of all, how do I spiritualize that action, Bill?
(10:01:24) (lil) you give it to me, Lory & save any problem from happening!
(10:01:28) (Cris) It's health food for you Lory
(10:01:31) (Roz) great statement Bill
(10:01:33) (Gordito) Good thing the Ways of God are Above the Ways of man.
(10:01:34) (Blu) LOL
(10:01:45) (merri) LOL
(10:01:45) (Lory) lol lil
(10:01:55) (WalksInSpirit) We may not see the punishment, Lil, but who knows what kinds of private Hells they endure. And I believe they DO answer.
(10:02:01) (lil) known as thinking ahead!
(10:02:08) (Bill) Lil its not for us to concern what others or how others wish to conduct themselves it is our resonsibility to be concerned how we conduct ourselves
(10:02:23) (MaryAnne) They may ever not suffer any hells in this lifetime
(10:02:33) (Stretch) Right on, Bill.
(10:02:41) (lil) well, yeah, Bill - nobody is as hard on me, as ME!
(10:03:52) (Blu) Lory, all good things come from god and giving thanks is a way of spiritualizing the food.
(10:04:30) (Lory) Ah, Blu, so all I need to do then is ask for God's blessing and thank him for my chocolate bar?
(10:04:49) (Blu) Sure, and don't eat the whole box of them
(10:05:18) (lil) now there's the problem - with low blood sugar, if I eat one, want the others - right now!
(10:05:31) (lil) shouldn't have the first one, of course
(10:06:32) (lil) well, Lory - there goes our cup of hot chocolate!
(10:08:36) (Bill) Desire originates in the will. It is of the earth and of the spirit. It is activated, in the realms in which it is directed by that which is the motivating force, through the will and the mental abilities and faculties of the individual. (See 262-64.)
(10:09:19) (Bill) through the will and the mental abilities and faculties of the individual
(10:09:32) (Bill) “(Desire) is the basis of evolution, and of life, and of truth. It also takes hold on hell and paves the way for many (who) find themselves oft therein. In spirit, in body, in mind.” (262-60.)
(10:09:39) (WalksInSpirit) While I believe it's more what comes out of the man that defiles the body, we're still to treat the body as a temple. (I take to mean: respect, bless our food before we ingest it, etc.) I mean, you can't very well treat it like a honky tonk and expect to do very well.
(10:10:31) (Stretch) Yea. Lots of Honky Tonkin' going on these days.
(10:11:24) (Bill) Desire is the power which drives our physical, our spiritual self, while will is the directing force.
(10:11:29) (Roz) Thanks Bill for the chat
(10:11:58) (Bill) . The positions in which we find ourselves are drawn to us through our desires. Whatever we are physically, mentally or spiritually has been built through desire.
(10:12:36) (Gladrielle) However we do must consider Karma, Bill
(10:12:49) (Bill) see W_E like you said desire even effects our physical so best look after it
(10:13:01) (Bill) why Glad
(10:13:15) (merri) karma is built by desire
(10:13:38) (merri) or the result of desire
(10:13:40) (Bill) live our life in such a way only good will come of it
(10:13:42) (Gladrielle) Karma is built through ......emotional attachment
(10:13:57) (Stretch) Emtional carry overs from previous experiences in the earth.
(10:14:17) (Gladrielle) It is a major part....I do agree
(10:14:29) (Bill) If by the force of will man uses them for self-aggrandizement, they then become material desires, and are the basis of carnal influences. In so doing he belittles his spiritual or soul body.
(10:14:32) (merri) more than one aspect of our lives results in karma
(10:15:02) (Gladrielle) Are we not living energy?
(10:15:15) (merri) yes
(10:15:29) (Gladrielle) We are but what we think we are
(10:15:37) (Gordito) But to what vibration?
(10:15:48) (Stretch) Is not all life living energy?
(10:15:49) (Gladrielle) That is a personal aspect
(10:15:51) (Gordito) We build upon that.
(10:15:53) (Bill) and so direct that energy in a manner fitting guided by the Christ Spirit within
(10:15:57) (Stretch) Is not all creation living energy?
(10:16:02) (KingShao) so don't think and be what God wants you to be
(10:16:07) (Gordito) Yes.
(10:16:17) (Gladrielle) If I may
(10:16:36) (Gordito) But the difference in the vibrations masnifested are the result of what you have done.
(10:16:51) (Gladrielle) Are we not made in the image of our Creator?
(10:16:59) (Gordito) Originally.
(10:17:23) (Gladrielle) Does spirit....ever die?
(10:17:31) (Gordito) But man through his own desires has become less then what he Was At His Inception, when All Were As Gods.
(10:17:34) (Sandy) Gordito, so what do you mean by originally?
(10:17:42) (lil) not if you equate spirit with soul
(10:17:50) (lil) never
(10:17:56) (Gladrielle) Do we not recognize our source....spiritually speaking
(10:18:04) (Gordito) As Cayce gave, m"Our souls are a mere shadow of Their Fornmer Glory and Stature.
(10:18:17) (Stretch) The image was created in the Beginning and has not changed since. Only our impatience is being expressed.
(10:18:20) (lil) you always were good at this, Glad
(10:18:24) (Gordito) When God Made Us In His Image.
(10:18:42) (lil) enjoy listening to you, as always
(10:18:42) (Gordito) When He Moved and Lewft Portions of Himself In His Wake.,
(10:18:50) (Lory) Spirit and Soul are not the same.
(10:19:09) (Gordito) The Image He Saved Isw the Same.
(10:19:12) (Stretch) And what is that "Image"? It is that each entity has a Will, a Mind, and Spirit.
(10:19:13) (Gordito) \We have changes.
(10:19:22) (Gordito) Through our manifestations.
(10:19:30) (Bill) Gladrielle it is up to us to recognize our true selves if we did we most likely wouldn't be here
(10:19:31) (Gordito) We have become far less then we were.
(10:19:43) (Gordito) When we were in His Plans.
(10:20:05) (Gordito) But Jesus showed the Way to nRegain Our Former Glory.
(10:20:17) (KingShao) Yes
(10:21:03) (Gordito) No the Image Is In His Inception of What Each Should Be vat Our Inception.
(10:21:05) (Bill) through manifesting the Christ Spirit within during our daily lives
(10:21:10) (Gladrielle) Shall we speak of "free will"?
(10:21:17) (Gordito) That Is The Image He Retains.
(10:21:28) (Stretch) A very peculiar thought. I must think upon that.
(10:21:41) (Gordito) That is why it is through the loss of self that you Regain Your Former Estate.
(10:21:53) (KingShao) I Agree
(10:22:13) (Gladrielle) Forgive me......I do not understand
(10:22:41) (Bill) well according to Cayce the only self we should be setting asside is our ego self
(10:22:43) (Stretch) At times, I'm also very agreable.
(10:23:06) (Gordito) When the conscious kji9nd, has been laid aside, the sub-conscious mind subplants it, allowing the Super Conscious to come through.
(10:23:07) (Stretch) But at other times I can be very disagreeable.
(10:23:11) (Gordito) That is the Way.
(10:23:23) (KingShao) Yes
(10:23:44) (Stretch) And at other times I just can't mke up my mind.
(10:23:49) (Gordito) Self lost in doing His Will, the conscious mind being laid aside, lost in His Will, is the result.
(10:23:51) (Gladrielle) Stretch.......that is acceptable.....for are we not all.......lol
(10:24:08) (Bill) Our soul was created as a companion with the Creator, able to become aware of itself, yet with influences that require the spiritualizing of the creative power of will. This develops god-likeness in the soul or activity. (See 262-63.)
(10:24:22) (Lory) I have learned to check my mind and change it if necessary. :-)
(10:24:38) (Bill) able to become aware of itself, yet with influences that require the spiritualizing of the creative power of will.
(10:24:45) (Gladrielle) A change of mind.....is healthy Lory
(10:24:53) (Stretch) Right on there Glad. Also, sometimes I think I'm not all there.
(10:25:12) (Gladrielle) lol.......Stretch.......
(10:25:34) (Gordito) it is through change in the mind that change in ones life comes about.
(10:25:46) (Gordito) Different mind set....different life.
(10:25:59) (Gladrielle) It is but a step..Gordito
(10:26:01) (Stretch) And, I've noticed, that I'm not the only one that is not all there.
(10:26:13) (Gordito) You then have different needs and your life changes by His Hand.
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(10:26:19) (Lory) Touche, Stretch
(10:26:37) (KingShao) freedom from self
(10:26:54) (Gladrielle) Freedom of thought, King
(10:26:55) (Stretch) Some may call that a mental spiritualzing process.
(10:27:08) (Bill) in the Cayce readings my understanding is we are to bring the sub and super consciousness to the for front so our consciousness is one
(10:27:26) (Gordito) Yes freedom from thought.
(10:27:33) (Gladrielle) Bill.....if I may say
(10:27:35) (Gordito) Freedom from having to think.
(10:27:45) (Gordito) Becoming then the Answer to all things.
(10:27:53) (Gordito) Takes some work.
(10:28:04) (Gladrielle) My intention is not to offend.........we are free.......we simply forget
(10:28:07) (Lory) Would it not be better to go the other way, Bill?
(10:28:13) (KingShao) A channel of Blessing to mankind
