Post by WalksInSpirit on Feb 14, 2006 0:03:12 GMT -5
Search For God: Book One Study: 02-13-06
"Lesson #12: Love"
(21:31:14) (Bill) Our Father, through the love that Thou hast manifested in the world through Thy Son, the Christ, make us more aware of “God is Love’. (262-43, A-1) Amen
(21:31:25) (Cris) Amen
(21:31:28) (merri) Amen
(21:31:37) (friend_to_mankind) Amen
(21:32:26) (Qrious) ameni
(21:32:33) (Bill) Lesson #12 Love.......“And now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.” I Cor. 13.13. R.V.
(21:33:08) (Bill) Introduction: Love is God. The whole law is fulfilled in these three words. Mankind is urged to observe and to cultivate this attribute, for it is through love that physical life is perfected and the continuity of life realized. Life is Creative Force to action and is the expression of love.
(21:34:56) (Bill) Love, divine love, is universal. It is found in the smile of a babe, which indeed is love undefiled, in the beauty of a song, and in a soul raised in praise to the Giver of Light.
(21:35:22) (Bill) There is love manifested in the performance of duty when there is no thought of personal gain, in speaking encouraging words to those seeking an understanding, and in the activities of those doing their best with the talents entrusted to them. Love may be found in a contented heart that is willing to wait until the time is fulfilled when the ideal may be realized. Love that passes understanding is found in His Consciousness.
(21:36:01) (Bill) when there is no thought of personal gain!!!!
(21:36:08) (Bill) Love Manifested: It is the privilege of every soul to find joy in communing with God in nature; for each creation is a complete unit of expression of the Creative Power.
(21:36:38) (Bill) Christ perfectly manifested the love of the Maker. His life and teachings are the inspiration for the regeneration of all mankind. As sons of God we can manifest God’s love if we allow Him to have His way in our lives. Joy comes through service even in toil and pain. Pure, undefiled love is so powerful that men may lay down their lives for others. Self is forgotten.
(21:37:28) (Bill) “Then, come ye, my children, hearken unto that which thou hast attained in thine self, that ye may put on the whole armor and be fruitful in the love of Him who calls that every one should hear, should know, should understand that God is in His heavens and that His love endureth even to those who harden their hearts.
(21:38:03) (Bill) He wills that no one should perish, but rather that in the love manifested in the daily walks, the daily activities of every soul there may be shown the love which impels the surrendering of self as an indication that the Master has spoken with thee.” (262-
(21:38:50) (Bill) The Power of Love: Love is the force that uplifts and inspires mankind. Children starve without it. Men and women wither and decay when it is lacking. It costs nothing, yet is value cannot be measured by material standards. It can lift a wretched human being from the miry clay of despair and set his feet upon the solid rock of respectability and service.
(21:39:59) (Bill) Love is that inexplicable force which brought Jesus to earth so that through Him the way back to the Father might be made plain to the children of men. It caused the Father to give His Son that whosoever believes might have eternal life. Love is that dynamic force which brings into manifestation all things.
(21:40:36) (Bill) . It is the healing force, the cleansing force, and the force that blesses all things we touch. With our hearts filled with love we will see only goodness and purity in everybody and in everything. In the beginning love looked upon the earth and saw that it was good and blessed it.
(21:41:16) (Bill) A love is God, it is, therefore, our abundant supply. Do we lack? Do we love? Do we allow conditions to keep us from the realization of the presence of God? If so, how can we expect the flow of abundance, when we are keeping the channel blocked by our thoughts and attitudes? We are standing in the way of our own success.
(21:41:55) (Bill) . When conditions arise which seem hard to endure, if we would realize that we are workers together with God and that each condition is perhaps some problem in our lives that must be met and overcome, we might stop and count our blessings instead of counting our hardships.
(21:42:21) (Bill) . Only with our hearts filled with love ~~ love for conditions, love for people, love for God ~~ can we fully realize this. Life is growth. We never can grow in knowledge and understanding and really be channels of blessings until we have endured and conquered in ourselves just the things that we would help others to overcome.
(21:42:50) (Bill) Love allows no place for hate and recognizes no evil, but sees all things working together for good. The power of love is unlimited. We alone may set the metes and bounds. We may use it constructively or selfishly. We may uplift our fellowmen or crush ideals, instigate revolts and wreck civilization. It all depends upon whether we are in love with ourselves or are willing to lay down our lives for others.
(21:43:47) (Bill) The Test of Love: “Love suffereth long, and is kind … beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.” (1 Cor. 13.4-7.R.V.) Can we truthfully say, “I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Jesus Christ our Lord”? (2 Rom.8.38,39.)
(21:44:41) (Bill) .) The master said, “This is my commandment, that ye love one another, as I have loved you.” (P.R. see John 13.34.) “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” (John 15.13.) “Love your enemies … that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heave: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.” (Matt. 5.44,45.)
(21:45:46) (Bill) .) He that does not love his worst enemy has not even begun to develop. The Father’s love is the golden thread that is woven throughout the Scriptures, which enlarges and spreads until the whole law is fulfilled in “God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
(21:46:18) (Bill) (John 3.16.) To fulfill the law of love is more than simply to love those who love us, for by so doing we have not reached the faintest conception of divine love.
(21:47:20) (Bill) Well i think thats enough to give us some disscusion material and digest for one evening
(21:47:31) (lilith) well done, Bill!
(21:47:52) (Cris) That was so appropriate for tomorrow
(21:48:03) (Bill) straight forward or does anyone need help here?
(21:48:11) (Qrious) how do you love your enemy.. an enemy is an enemy for a reason.
(21:48:20) (lilith) what's tomorrow, Cris?
(21:48:24) (diane) ty Bill
(09:48:31) (Bill) you all understand unconditional love ?
(09:48:38) (Cris) Valentine Day
(09:48:38) (lilith) agree with that, Q - exakl
(09:48:59) (Qrious) God made conditions.. hence the law.
(09:49:04) (Bill) yes Q his reason why allow the enemy to draw you down to his level?
(09:49:08) (merri) whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life doesn't sound like unconditional love
(09:49:31) (Qrious) what if my enemy was up a level cause I'm so dumb.?
(09:49:41) (Shauna) Interesting, merri.
(09:49:48) (jazz) then your dumb
(09:50:11) (merri) it implies a condition
(09:50:25) (merri) must be met
(09:50:30) (Bill) it does in the proper context Merri
(09:51:02) (merri) so what's the proper context
(09:51:06) (tim) it is indeed really hard to love those who do evil as a matter of policy
(09:51:08) (Qrious) yes it does merri.. cause its only applicable to whom.. soever.
(09:51:11) (Shauna) There are necessary conditions to Gods love and those conditions are erected by us. Through what channels do we allow God´s love to flow. The scripture says, I have loved Jacob and hated Esau. This was before they were born.
(09:51:46) (Bill) Him captital H is refuring to the Christ Spirit and in that recognition we are freed by manifesting it in our lives It is unconditional Love!
(09:53:00) (merri) call me thick Bill but that doesn't compute
(09:53:06) (lilith) How could that be, "I have loved Jacob & hated Esau" - before they were born - anyone/?
(09:53:21) (Gordito) Mis quote by the Jews.
(09:53:23) (Qrious) Jesus had conditions.. only those who does his fathers will is in the family.
(09:53:40) (MaryAnne) That isn't quite true Q
(09:53:43) (Qrious) well lilith.. Shauna is correct.. before they were born.
(09:53:57) (merri) if there are conditions attached it is not "unconditional Love"
(09:53:59) (Gordito) He loved what Jacob stood for and hated what Esau stood for.
(09:54:00) (lilith) not doubting that - HOW????
(09:54:11) (Gordito) Not the individual.
(09:54:20) (Shauna) Why does Jesus say, I will spew thee out of my mouth. Is that love?
(09:54:24) (Qrious) read about Jeremiah.. he was chosen before birth by god .. lilith.
(09:54:28) (Bill) God is unconditional Love Jesus in overcoming the earth became a manifestation of God on earth thus in understanding and applying this example in our lives we overcome death
(09:54:37) (jazz) to freely give of oneself for the best and highest good.........to be of service
(09:54:44) (lilith) missed that,Q - will re-read
(09:55:15) (Qrious) well MaryAnne.. jesus did not get along with the pharasee's for a reason .. and he called them names also.
(09:55:32) (jazz) love is just that.........Love.
(09:55:37) (MaryAnne) Yes, I know Q, but that was only a temporary condition
(09:55:55) (Qrious) temp.. how?
(09:56:04) (jazz) everything else is extraneious
(09:56:06) (lilith) beyond me that a baby could be hated before it was born - never will understand that
(09:56:25) (lilith) how does that compute with "love everyone?":
(09:56:30) (MaryAnne) God has willed that none shall perish...and none will....but we must choose at some point
(09:56:37) (Bill) yes Jazz give unconditionally without expectations
(09:56:39) (jazz) it is that connection with the One
(09:56:39) (Qrious) it was written.. lilith.. you are known before given birth.. whats so hard?
(09:57:11) (lilith) still difficult for me to think ac hild is hated before birth - always will be
(09:57:15) (Shauna) I believe scripture says, God hateth the proud? Are there any of us who are not proud in some respects in some degrees?
(09:57:16) (Gordito) If someone saqys, "I love God."but hates his brother, he is a liar.., After all if he haqs no lovee for the brother whom he has seen, he can scarcely have lo0ve for His God whom he has never Seen. John !st Letter Chapter 4
(09:57:16) (Qrious) none will.. I have to totally disagree with you Mary Anne.. cause satan aint gonna make it.
(09:57:18) (jazz) I love you unconditionally
(09:57:20) (lilith) probably not as far advanced as you people
(09:57:30) (Bill) Q thats a given we were all created at the same time so of course we'd be known
(09:57:46) (MaryAnne) There is no longer a satan, Q.
(09:58:00) (Qrious) was atempting to answer liliths question Bill.
(09:58:11) (Gordito) Satan is man lower swelf nature.;l
(09:58:15) (Qrious) no satan.. oh.. o.k. to each his own.
(09:58:15) (lilith) ty y'all
(09:58:17) (Gordito) It still exists.
(09:58:21) (jazz) it is that word that says so much to each one, and it is in that moment of love that all falls away and the now is prevelent in all we are
(09:58:26) (Shauna) And God hated the soul created at the same time? I note, God often differentiates those he loves from those he does not care for.
(09:58:47) (MaryAnne) Only in the minds of the writers, Shauna
(09:58:47) (Bill) Satan is mans ego self when saying get thee behind me Satan is refuring to conscious self
(09:58:54) (Bill) Means
(09:58:55) (Gordito) People seeking excuses for wrong doing....tsk...tsk.
(09:58:56) (Cris) When I read adn meditate I understand that God loves us all just as we are uncondtitionally - remember the bible was edited by man and ministers so it may not be an exaqct translation
(09:59:07) (Gordito) Yes Bill
(09:59:34) (Gordito) God Loves ius all.
(09:59:38) (Shauna) Therefore, Mary Anne, we must discern between what is in the mind of the writers and the mind of the spirit? This confuses me. How am I to know.
(09:59:43) (Gordito) Does he respect us all no.
(10:00:04) (Gordito) He Respects those who love all as if they are a Creation of Gods.
(10:00:14) (Gordito) Then ya got somethin copmin.
(10:00:15) (merri) you know that for a fact Gordito
(10:00:19) (Qrious) Bill.. cayce reading said..As ye have seen him go, so will He return again.... that is litteral.. not symbolically.
(10:00:25) (Gordito) Otherwise al;l ya got is more of the samer.
(10:00:32) (Shauna) Do you love the mosquito who is indeed a creation of Gods, Gordito?
(10:00:37) (Bill) well One i beleive He respects us all but not some of the choices we make in conducting ourselves
(10:00:41) (MaryAnne) Shauna, we must all learn as we go.
(10:00:51) (jazz) quibble as we may, it still does not change love it is only our perception that changes
(10:00:52) (Gordito) God is not a respecter ofr ppersons.
(10:01:04) (Gordito) Both Cayce and the Master gave that.
(10:01:10) (Bill) correct
(10:01:10) (Gordito) Look at the way we act.
(10:01:17) (Gordito) Cant Resopect that.
(10:01:21) (Gordito) Youy cxan love us.
(10:01:27) (Cris) God's love is eternal for everyone but we decide if we want his love by our actions
(10:01:30) (Gordito) But yaq can't Respecvt that.
(10:01:36) (Shauna) If a father punishes his son for lifting the DVD, that action appears to be hate but is it not truely love?
(10:01:39) (Gordito) \We got to earn that back.
(10:01:51) (Gordito) As Cayce gave there is but One Way to repent.
(10:02:02) (jazz) love
(10:02:03) (lilith) tuff luv, Shauna, that what you mean?
(10:02:12) (Bill) knock and the door will be opened there is always for us a way of escape from our lower choices through Him
(10:02:21) (Qrious) then explain this Injunction given to Amilius.. Keep thine self separate; Of that seen but Not seen?
(10:02:31) (Shauna) So, if I do not approve of your actions, Cris, then I can be like God and not give my love.
(10:02:34) (Gordito) Yes Bill
(10:02:39) (jazz) to give freely of the self, without explanation
(10:02:41) (Bill) that means everyone not just some choosen few
(10:02:59) (MaryAnne) I agree...that mean everyone
(10:03:00) (Gordito) \"Not my will, but Yours O God." Cayce gave as the Way to repent.
(10:03:11) (Gordito) Yes Bill
(10:03:18) (Cris) I never said God didn't give love I said it is up to us if we want to accept God's love
(10:03:21) (Qrious) many are called.. but few are chosen.. is how I read it.
(10:03:23) (Gordito) Universal UUnconditionally.
(10:03:24) (jazz) does anyone live with love in his/her heart all the time?
(10:03:28) (MaryAnne) But it seem that to know what the will of God is we must first learn how to listen.
(10:03:32) (jazz) is this achievable?
(10:03:44) (lilith) not I, jazz, not sure I would even want to
(10:03:45) (Cris) God loves unconditionally
(10:03:48) (Gordito) Everyone must be worthy of our love, but we don't have to respect thyeir actions.
(10:03:49) (MaryAnne) jazz, I think it is achievable
(10:03:57) (Shauna) If I am to give you something, I must present it in a way in which you can accept. I s that not correct, Cris?
(10:04:08) (Bill) the Cayces reading like the bible are just trying to teach us all the facets of love in order to understand and express God's will in our lives
(10:04:13) (jazz) is it achievable with every decision, every thought and every action we choose
(10:04:17) (lilith) am far from hating the deed, but loving the , what - "deeder?"""
(10:04:23) (Shauna) If I give you a ten dollar bill wrapped in s...and vomit will you accept it?
(10:04:29) (Gordito) Mass murderer cannibol typoes are to be loves but their actions leave something to be desired.
(10:04:37) (Shauna) I must give my love in a form in which you can accept it or I am not really giving it.
(10:04:45) (Qrious) Jesus learn from Obedience... and that states certain critiria to be assertained.. its a simple condition.
(10:04:49) (MaryAnne) Cayce said that the whole of the law was to love God and neighbor, everything else ever written was someone's attempt to explain it.
(10:04:59) (Gordito) Yes Q
(10:05:01) (jazz) only if the ten dollar bill was on fire.
(10:05:15) (Bill) yes Shauna
(10:05:21) (jazz) love a good show
(10:05:27) (Qrious) so.. unconditional Love is not real... to me at least.
(10:05:28) (Gordito) Cayce stated as a one word definition disobedience.
(10:05:35) (Shauna) We can not expect others to receive love any ol way we give it.
(10:05:36) (Gordito) Sin
(10:05:37) (jazz) love is accepted as it should be on all levels
(10:05:40) (Bill) that is correct MaryAnne
(10:05:47) (Shauna) We have to give it in a way they can receive it.
(10:05:57) (merri) glad you know that Cris because I find religious dogma puts alot of conditions on when it comes to being in the presence of Him
(10:05:58) (Shauna) Or we´re not giving love.
(10:06:00) (jazz) it is not up to us to put qaualifiers on love, yet we certainly love to do it
(10:06:03) (Cris) When you take judgement out of love it comes much easier to love
(10:06:04) (Gordito) \Obidience is the opposite of sin./
(10:06:09) (Gordito) then correct?
(10:06:12) (MaryAnne) \Sometimes just the love is sufficient..no one necessarily needs to know we give it.
(10:06:19) (Qrious) Jesus told Mary .. to go Sin no more.. that is a condition.
(10:06:20) (Bill) Shauna that is part of our learning process how to give as well as how to except
(10:06:29) (Gordito) No
(10:06:37) (Cris) if we stop judging those around us we can accept and love them for who they are not what they are or did
(10:06:40) (Gordito) That is a condition to her actions.
(10:06:41) (Qrious) Jesus told all he healed.. thy faith... has made them whole.. that is a condition.
(10:06:49) (Shauna) So why hasn´t God learned how to give to every one., Bill?
(10:06:50) (Gordito) Cayce gave we can judge actions.
(10:06:57) (jazz) and then the "word", wow did this start a dialogue
(10:07:04) (Gordito) But we caqnnot judge another unworthy of our love.
(10:07:15) (friend_to_mankind) Love the way God makes a difference
(10:07:41) (Shauna) I love satan. God created Satan and still gives him entrance to heaven to negotiate over ment. Read Job 1st chapter.
(10:07:44) (lilith) and there is that heavy word "judge" again - who among us does not do it???
(10:07:44) (Cris) I never say somone is unworthy what we dislike in others is what we dislike in ourselves
(10:07:51) (Qrious) whatsoever thou thinketh.. that means it came from the heart Gordito... and that defilest a man.. and the action can be found akin to the thought.. don't try and separate sin with actions.
(10:07:53) (jazz) let's go back to communication with love
(10:07:54) (Bill) Shauna God has no need to learn tyhat everyone has free will to make their own choices
(10:07:59) (Gordito) We may judge actions.
(10:08:05) (jazz) but ego does love a good challenge
(10:08:12) (Gordito) According to Cayce it is wise to judge asctions.
(10:08:26) (Gordito) BHGut we must love akll as if They Are A Creation of Gods.
(10:08:27) (Shauna) Then let those who want my love, make the choice of which I approve, Bill.
(10:08:31) (Cris) judging is a human trait in some instances itis hard not to do it
(10:08:50) (Shauna) That´s what you said God gives in that manner.
(10:09:28) (friend_to_mankind) man makes his plans but the final outcome is in God's hands
(10:09:33) (Bill) nothing wrong with judging how can you possibly make any dissions without first making a judgment?
(10:09:38) (MaryAnne) Cris, we do judge...it is so tempting and I do it often, alas...but I try to take it day upon day, line upon line, precept upon precept and I do hope ot grow
(21:31:25) (Cris) Amen
(21:31:28) (merri) Amen
(21:31:37) (friend_to_mankind) Amen
(21:32:26) (Qrious) ameni
(21:32:33) (Bill) Lesson #12 Love.......“And now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.” I Cor. 13.13. R.V.
(21:33:08) (Bill) Introduction: Love is God. The whole law is fulfilled in these three words. Mankind is urged to observe and to cultivate this attribute, for it is through love that physical life is perfected and the continuity of life realized. Life is Creative Force to action and is the expression of love.
(21:34:56) (Bill) Love, divine love, is universal. It is found in the smile of a babe, which indeed is love undefiled, in the beauty of a song, and in a soul raised in praise to the Giver of Light.
(21:35:22) (Bill) There is love manifested in the performance of duty when there is no thought of personal gain, in speaking encouraging words to those seeking an understanding, and in the activities of those doing their best with the talents entrusted to them. Love may be found in a contented heart that is willing to wait until the time is fulfilled when the ideal may be realized. Love that passes understanding is found in His Consciousness.
(21:36:01) (Bill) when there is no thought of personal gain!!!!
(21:36:08) (Bill) Love Manifested: It is the privilege of every soul to find joy in communing with God in nature; for each creation is a complete unit of expression of the Creative Power.
(21:36:38) (Bill) Christ perfectly manifested the love of the Maker. His life and teachings are the inspiration for the regeneration of all mankind. As sons of God we can manifest God’s love if we allow Him to have His way in our lives. Joy comes through service even in toil and pain. Pure, undefiled love is so powerful that men may lay down their lives for others. Self is forgotten.
(21:37:28) (Bill) “Then, come ye, my children, hearken unto that which thou hast attained in thine self, that ye may put on the whole armor and be fruitful in the love of Him who calls that every one should hear, should know, should understand that God is in His heavens and that His love endureth even to those who harden their hearts.
(21:38:03) (Bill) He wills that no one should perish, but rather that in the love manifested in the daily walks, the daily activities of every soul there may be shown the love which impels the surrendering of self as an indication that the Master has spoken with thee.” (262-
(21:38:50) (Bill) The Power of Love: Love is the force that uplifts and inspires mankind. Children starve without it. Men and women wither and decay when it is lacking. It costs nothing, yet is value cannot be measured by material standards. It can lift a wretched human being from the miry clay of despair and set his feet upon the solid rock of respectability and service.
(21:39:59) (Bill) Love is that inexplicable force which brought Jesus to earth so that through Him the way back to the Father might be made plain to the children of men. It caused the Father to give His Son that whosoever believes might have eternal life. Love is that dynamic force which brings into manifestation all things.
(21:40:36) (Bill) . It is the healing force, the cleansing force, and the force that blesses all things we touch. With our hearts filled with love we will see only goodness and purity in everybody and in everything. In the beginning love looked upon the earth and saw that it was good and blessed it.
(21:41:16) (Bill) A love is God, it is, therefore, our abundant supply. Do we lack? Do we love? Do we allow conditions to keep us from the realization of the presence of God? If so, how can we expect the flow of abundance, when we are keeping the channel blocked by our thoughts and attitudes? We are standing in the way of our own success.
(21:41:55) (Bill) . When conditions arise which seem hard to endure, if we would realize that we are workers together with God and that each condition is perhaps some problem in our lives that must be met and overcome, we might stop and count our blessings instead of counting our hardships.
(21:42:21) (Bill) . Only with our hearts filled with love ~~ love for conditions, love for people, love for God ~~ can we fully realize this. Life is growth. We never can grow in knowledge and understanding and really be channels of blessings until we have endured and conquered in ourselves just the things that we would help others to overcome.
(21:42:50) (Bill) Love allows no place for hate and recognizes no evil, but sees all things working together for good. The power of love is unlimited. We alone may set the metes and bounds. We may use it constructively or selfishly. We may uplift our fellowmen or crush ideals, instigate revolts and wreck civilization. It all depends upon whether we are in love with ourselves or are willing to lay down our lives for others.
(21:43:47) (Bill) The Test of Love: “Love suffereth long, and is kind … beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.” (1 Cor. 13.4-7.R.V.) Can we truthfully say, “I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Jesus Christ our Lord”? (2 Rom.8.38,39.)
(21:44:41) (Bill) .) The master said, “This is my commandment, that ye love one another, as I have loved you.” (P.R. see John 13.34.) “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” (John 15.13.) “Love your enemies … that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heave: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.” (Matt. 5.44,45.)
(21:45:46) (Bill) .) He that does not love his worst enemy has not even begun to develop. The Father’s love is the golden thread that is woven throughout the Scriptures, which enlarges and spreads until the whole law is fulfilled in “God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
(21:46:18) (Bill) (John 3.16.) To fulfill the law of love is more than simply to love those who love us, for by so doing we have not reached the faintest conception of divine love.
(21:47:20) (Bill) Well i think thats enough to give us some disscusion material and digest for one evening
(21:47:31) (lilith) well done, Bill!
(21:47:52) (Cris) That was so appropriate for tomorrow
(21:48:03) (Bill) straight forward or does anyone need help here?
(21:48:11) (Qrious) how do you love your enemy.. an enemy is an enemy for a reason.
(21:48:20) (lilith) what's tomorrow, Cris?
(21:48:24) (diane) ty Bill
(09:48:31) (Bill) you all understand unconditional love ?
(09:48:38) (Cris) Valentine Day
(09:48:38) (lilith) agree with that, Q - exakl
(09:48:59) (Qrious) God made conditions.. hence the law.
(09:49:04) (Bill) yes Q his reason why allow the enemy to draw you down to his level?
(09:49:08) (merri) whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life doesn't sound like unconditional love
(09:49:31) (Qrious) what if my enemy was up a level cause I'm so dumb.?
(09:49:41) (Shauna) Interesting, merri.
(09:49:48) (jazz) then your dumb
(09:50:11) (merri) it implies a condition
(09:50:25) (merri) must be met
(09:50:30) (Bill) it does in the proper context Merri
(09:51:02) (merri) so what's the proper context
(09:51:06) (tim) it is indeed really hard to love those who do evil as a matter of policy
(09:51:08) (Qrious) yes it does merri.. cause its only applicable to whom.. soever.
(09:51:11) (Shauna) There are necessary conditions to Gods love and those conditions are erected by us. Through what channels do we allow God´s love to flow. The scripture says, I have loved Jacob and hated Esau. This was before they were born.
(09:51:46) (Bill) Him captital H is refuring to the Christ Spirit and in that recognition we are freed by manifesting it in our lives It is unconditional Love!
(09:53:00) (merri) call me thick Bill but that doesn't compute
(09:53:06) (lilith) How could that be, "I have loved Jacob & hated Esau" - before they were born - anyone/?
(09:53:21) (Gordito) Mis quote by the Jews.
(09:53:23) (Qrious) Jesus had conditions.. only those who does his fathers will is in the family.
(09:53:40) (MaryAnne) That isn't quite true Q
(09:53:43) (Qrious) well lilith.. Shauna is correct.. before they were born.
(09:53:57) (merri) if there are conditions attached it is not "unconditional Love"
(09:53:59) (Gordito) He loved what Jacob stood for and hated what Esau stood for.
(09:54:00) (lilith) not doubting that - HOW????
(09:54:11) (Gordito) Not the individual.
(09:54:20) (Shauna) Why does Jesus say, I will spew thee out of my mouth. Is that love?
(09:54:24) (Qrious) read about Jeremiah.. he was chosen before birth by god .. lilith.
(09:54:28) (Bill) God is unconditional Love Jesus in overcoming the earth became a manifestation of God on earth thus in understanding and applying this example in our lives we overcome death
(09:54:37) (jazz) to freely give of oneself for the best and highest good.........to be of service
(09:54:44) (lilith) missed that,Q - will re-read
(09:55:15) (Qrious) well MaryAnne.. jesus did not get along with the pharasee's for a reason .. and he called them names also.
(09:55:32) (jazz) love is just that.........Love.
(09:55:37) (MaryAnne) Yes, I know Q, but that was only a temporary condition
(09:55:55) (Qrious) temp.. how?
(09:56:04) (jazz) everything else is extraneious
(09:56:06) (lilith) beyond me that a baby could be hated before it was born - never will understand that
(09:56:25) (lilith) how does that compute with "love everyone?":
(09:56:30) (MaryAnne) God has willed that none shall perish...and none will....but we must choose at some point
(09:56:37) (Bill) yes Jazz give unconditionally without expectations
(09:56:39) (jazz) it is that connection with the One
(09:56:39) (Qrious) it was written.. lilith.. you are known before given birth.. whats so hard?
(09:57:11) (lilith) still difficult for me to think ac hild is hated before birth - always will be
(09:57:15) (Shauna) I believe scripture says, God hateth the proud? Are there any of us who are not proud in some respects in some degrees?
(09:57:16) (Gordito) If someone saqys, "I love God."but hates his brother, he is a liar.., After all if he haqs no lovee for the brother whom he has seen, he can scarcely have lo0ve for His God whom he has never Seen. John !st Letter Chapter 4
(09:57:16) (Qrious) none will.. I have to totally disagree with you Mary Anne.. cause satan aint gonna make it.
(09:57:18) (jazz) I love you unconditionally
(09:57:20) (lilith) probably not as far advanced as you people
(09:57:30) (Bill) Q thats a given we were all created at the same time so of course we'd be known
(09:57:46) (MaryAnne) There is no longer a satan, Q.
(09:58:00) (Qrious) was atempting to answer liliths question Bill.
(09:58:11) (Gordito) Satan is man lower swelf nature.;l
(09:58:15) (Qrious) no satan.. oh.. o.k. to each his own.
(09:58:15) (lilith) ty y'all
(09:58:17) (Gordito) It still exists.
(09:58:21) (jazz) it is that word that says so much to each one, and it is in that moment of love that all falls away and the now is prevelent in all we are
(09:58:26) (Shauna) And God hated the soul created at the same time? I note, God often differentiates those he loves from those he does not care for.
(09:58:47) (MaryAnne) Only in the minds of the writers, Shauna
(09:58:47) (Bill) Satan is mans ego self when saying get thee behind me Satan is refuring to conscious self
(09:58:54) (Bill) Means
(09:58:55) (Gordito) People seeking excuses for wrong doing....tsk...tsk.
(09:58:56) (Cris) When I read adn meditate I understand that God loves us all just as we are uncondtitionally - remember the bible was edited by man and ministers so it may not be an exaqct translation
(09:59:07) (Gordito) Yes Bill
(09:59:34) (Gordito) God Loves ius all.
(09:59:38) (Shauna) Therefore, Mary Anne, we must discern between what is in the mind of the writers and the mind of the spirit? This confuses me. How am I to know.
(09:59:43) (Gordito) Does he respect us all no.
(10:00:04) (Gordito) He Respects those who love all as if they are a Creation of Gods.
(10:00:14) (Gordito) Then ya got somethin copmin.
(10:00:15) (merri) you know that for a fact Gordito
(10:00:19) (Qrious) Bill.. cayce reading said..As ye have seen him go, so will He return again.... that is litteral.. not symbolically.
(10:00:25) (Gordito) Otherwise al;l ya got is more of the samer.
(10:00:32) (Shauna) Do you love the mosquito who is indeed a creation of Gods, Gordito?
(10:00:37) (Bill) well One i beleive He respects us all but not some of the choices we make in conducting ourselves
(10:00:41) (MaryAnne) Shauna, we must all learn as we go.
(10:00:51) (jazz) quibble as we may, it still does not change love it is only our perception that changes
(10:00:52) (Gordito) God is not a respecter ofr ppersons.
(10:01:04) (Gordito) Both Cayce and the Master gave that.
(10:01:10) (Bill) correct
(10:01:10) (Gordito) Look at the way we act.
(10:01:17) (Gordito) Cant Resopect that.
(10:01:21) (Gordito) Youy cxan love us.
(10:01:27) (Cris) God's love is eternal for everyone but we decide if we want his love by our actions
(10:01:30) (Gordito) But yaq can't Respecvt that.
(10:01:36) (Shauna) If a father punishes his son for lifting the DVD, that action appears to be hate but is it not truely love?
(10:01:39) (Gordito) \We got to earn that back.
(10:01:51) (Gordito) As Cayce gave there is but One Way to repent.
(10:02:02) (jazz) love
(10:02:03) (lilith) tuff luv, Shauna, that what you mean?
(10:02:12) (Bill) knock and the door will be opened there is always for us a way of escape from our lower choices through Him
(10:02:21) (Qrious) then explain this Injunction given to Amilius.. Keep thine self separate; Of that seen but Not seen?
(10:02:31) (Shauna) So, if I do not approve of your actions, Cris, then I can be like God and not give my love.
(10:02:34) (Gordito) Yes Bill
(10:02:39) (jazz) to give freely of the self, without explanation
(10:02:41) (Bill) that means everyone not just some choosen few
(10:02:59) (MaryAnne) I agree...that mean everyone
(10:03:00) (Gordito) \"Not my will, but Yours O God." Cayce gave as the Way to repent.
(10:03:11) (Gordito) Yes Bill
(10:03:18) (Cris) I never said God didn't give love I said it is up to us if we want to accept God's love
(10:03:21) (Qrious) many are called.. but few are chosen.. is how I read it.
(10:03:23) (Gordito) Universal UUnconditionally.
(10:03:24) (jazz) does anyone live with love in his/her heart all the time?
(10:03:28) (MaryAnne) But it seem that to know what the will of God is we must first learn how to listen.
(10:03:32) (jazz) is this achievable?
(10:03:44) (lilith) not I, jazz, not sure I would even want to
(10:03:45) (Cris) God loves unconditionally
(10:03:48) (Gordito) Everyone must be worthy of our love, but we don't have to respect thyeir actions.
(10:03:49) (MaryAnne) jazz, I think it is achievable
(10:03:57) (Shauna) If I am to give you something, I must present it in a way in which you can accept. I s that not correct, Cris?
(10:04:08) (Bill) the Cayces reading like the bible are just trying to teach us all the facets of love in order to understand and express God's will in our lives
(10:04:13) (jazz) is it achievable with every decision, every thought and every action we choose
(10:04:17) (lilith) am far from hating the deed, but loving the , what - "deeder?"""
(10:04:23) (Shauna) If I give you a ten dollar bill wrapped in s...and vomit will you accept it?
(10:04:29) (Gordito) Mass murderer cannibol typoes are to be loves but their actions leave something to be desired.
(10:04:37) (Shauna) I must give my love in a form in which you can accept it or I am not really giving it.
(10:04:45) (Qrious) Jesus learn from Obedience... and that states certain critiria to be assertained.. its a simple condition.
(10:04:49) (MaryAnne) Cayce said that the whole of the law was to love God and neighbor, everything else ever written was someone's attempt to explain it.
(10:04:59) (Gordito) Yes Q
(10:05:01) (jazz) only if the ten dollar bill was on fire.
(10:05:15) (Bill) yes Shauna
(10:05:21) (jazz) love a good show
(10:05:27) (Qrious) so.. unconditional Love is not real... to me at least.
(10:05:28) (Gordito) Cayce stated as a one word definition disobedience.
(10:05:35) (Shauna) We can not expect others to receive love any ol way we give it.
(10:05:36) (Gordito) Sin
(10:05:37) (jazz) love is accepted as it should be on all levels
(10:05:40) (Bill) that is correct MaryAnne
(10:05:47) (Shauna) We have to give it in a way they can receive it.
(10:05:57) (merri) glad you know that Cris because I find religious dogma puts alot of conditions on when it comes to being in the presence of Him
(10:05:58) (Shauna) Or we´re not giving love.
(10:06:00) (jazz) it is not up to us to put qaualifiers on love, yet we certainly love to do it
(10:06:03) (Cris) When you take judgement out of love it comes much easier to love
(10:06:04) (Gordito) \Obidience is the opposite of sin./
(10:06:09) (Gordito) then correct?
(10:06:12) (MaryAnne) \Sometimes just the love is sufficient..no one necessarily needs to know we give it.
(10:06:19) (Qrious) Jesus told Mary .. to go Sin no more.. that is a condition.
(10:06:20) (Bill) Shauna that is part of our learning process how to give as well as how to except
(10:06:29) (Gordito) No
(10:06:37) (Cris) if we stop judging those around us we can accept and love them for who they are not what they are or did
(10:06:40) (Gordito) That is a condition to her actions.
(10:06:41) (Qrious) Jesus told all he healed.. thy faith... has made them whole.. that is a condition.
(10:06:49) (Shauna) So why hasn´t God learned how to give to every one., Bill?
(10:06:50) (Gordito) Cayce gave we can judge actions.
(10:06:57) (jazz) and then the "word", wow did this start a dialogue
(10:07:04) (Gordito) But we caqnnot judge another unworthy of our love.
(10:07:15) (friend_to_mankind) Love the way God makes a difference
(10:07:41) (Shauna) I love satan. God created Satan and still gives him entrance to heaven to negotiate over ment. Read Job 1st chapter.
(10:07:44) (lilith) and there is that heavy word "judge" again - who among us does not do it???
(10:07:44) (Cris) I never say somone is unworthy what we dislike in others is what we dislike in ourselves
(10:07:51) (Qrious) whatsoever thou thinketh.. that means it came from the heart Gordito... and that defilest a man.. and the action can be found akin to the thought.. don't try and separate sin with actions.
(10:07:53) (jazz) let's go back to communication with love
(10:07:54) (Bill) Shauna God has no need to learn tyhat everyone has free will to make their own choices
(10:07:59) (Gordito) We may judge actions.
(10:08:05) (jazz) but ego does love a good challenge
(10:08:12) (Gordito) According to Cayce it is wise to judge asctions.
(10:08:26) (Gordito) BHGut we must love akll as if They Are A Creation of Gods.
(10:08:27) (Shauna) Then let those who want my love, make the choice of which I approve, Bill.
(10:08:31) (Cris) judging is a human trait in some instances itis hard not to do it
(10:08:50) (Shauna) That´s what you said God gives in that manner.
(10:09:28) (friend_to_mankind) man makes his plans but the final outcome is in God's hands
(10:09:33) (Bill) nothing wrong with judging how can you possibly make any dissions without first making a judgment?
(10:09:38) (MaryAnne) Cris, we do judge...it is so tempting and I do it often, alas...but I try to take it day upon day, line upon line, precept upon precept and I do hope ot grow
