Post by WalksInSpirit on Jan 30, 2006 22:39:57 GMT -5
Search For God: Book One Study: 01-30-06
"the Cross And The Crown"
(09:30:15) (Bill) well time to focus folks on our purpose for this evenings chat
(09:30:42) (Bill) hope every ones days was a great one :o)
(09:30:50) (Bill) Our Father, our God, as we approach that, that may give us a better insight of what He bore in the cross, what His glory may be in the crown, may thy blessings ~~ as promised through Him ~~ be with us as we study together in His name (262-34) Amen
(09:31:04) (patricia) Amen
(09:31:11) (friend_to_mankind) Amen
(09:31:13) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:31:14) (Blu) Amen
(09:31:15) (Qrious) ameni
(09:31:15) (merri) Amen
(09:31:16) (Cris) Amen
(09:31:17) (Lory) Amen
(09:33:02) (Bill) We must bear what He bore because we must travel the same way to perfection that He traveled. Along that way are experiences that all must have in order to gain the power and the knowledge of overcoming. As He took upon Himself the burden of the world, so we, in our own little world, must take upon ourselves the burdens of those about us.
(09:33:16) (Qrious) guestions.. its short for suggested questions. fyi.
(09:33:47) (Bill) The yoke is easier because the burden is lighter. He bore it all. We bear only our part. In so doing we may become conscious of our real purpose to glorify the Creator and come to know that, after all, our crosses are only misunderstandings and misapplications of His laws. To practice, not preach, demands strength, power, and faith in the Ideal.
(09:34:31) (Bill) Experience alone in overcoming can give a complete understanding of that it means for another to suffer, and yet not yield ~~ to bear and forbear, and through it all love and forgive.
(09:35:16) (Bill) His yoke is easy because His presence abides with us, protecting us and sharing the burdens that otherwise would be too heavy for us to bear. Then, too, as we come to understand the meaning of our crosses and His abiding presence, our sufferings become lessons of wisdom, our turmoil more peaceful,
(09:35:54) (Bill) and we rejoice as we find ourselves growing more and more into the likeness of Him who, by the way of the cross, became the Lord of lords and the King of kings.
(09:36:29) (Bill) His presence within is ever a bulwark of reserve power that enables us to resolve to acquit ourselves as men, to fight the battle, to win the race, and to wear the crown. Our Advocate with the Father keeps open the channel through which spiritual energy flows to us, so that we can make ourselves fit channels for passing on the truth to others
(09:37:12) (Bill) . Spiritual understanding brings the knowledge that matter is the tool with which we may shape the nobler life into a likeness of the Creator. Harmony with His will, understanding, and application of His laws will bring at all times peace not tumult, joy not sorrow, love not hate, and strength not weakness.
(09:37:47) (Bill) . With His aid and the knowledge of His Spirit bearing witness with our spirit, the yoke that we are called upon to bear becomes, in fact, easy; and the burdens laid upon us are, indeed, light.
(09:38:14) (Bill) Does the life lived according to our own faith, our own understanding, and our own walking in His presence explain why each soul must bear a cross?
(09:38:37) (Bill) As we seek to apply that learned in previous lessons dealing with attributes of the soul which should be magnified through our daily activities, we begin to realize our lack of application of those essential elements or attributes.
(09:39:13) (Bill) . We realize that we bear crosses because we have not yet learned to give complete expression to our soul faculties. We gradually realize how much of the inner self we have covered up; pushed aside for what we considered the more important desires of the conscious self.
(09:39:47) (Bill) . In so doing we have pushed ourselves further and further away from God. How well we begin to comprehend that our crosses are created by ourselves!
(09:40:18) (Bill) On the other hand, as we learn and apply these attributes of the soul, there comes joy and peace in the realization that the inner self is awakening and that it is ever on the alert to express itself through the exercising of faith, virtue, and understanding.
(09:40:44) (Bill) . Our relationships with others are made more perfect, and the ideal is set in Him. We see our crosses in a new light; we begin to catch a glimpse of the glory of the crown. We come to the realization of having, in truth, a part in the divine plan.
(09:41:14) (Bill) Why has the cross been chosen rather than some other philosophy that might correlate the material and spiritual life?
(09:41:44) (Bill) The cross is the emblem of the subjective self of the One who bore the burden of the world. It is chosen not because of the personality of the great teacher, Jesus the man, but because of the way to the Father made plain through Jesus the Christ.
(09:42:34) (Bill) . It is the symbol of the life and teachings of Him who stirred the souls of men to express in all other forms of truth. It is a part of the truth of the world and the whole truth for those who choose its standard. It answers every question of the soul that is ready for light and satisfied the longing of the innermost being.
(09:43:43) (Bill) . It is a symbol of the way of truth and light, universal in appeal, eternal and impelling, yet personal in application. In seeking the divine, we have taken Jesus the Christ as our Ideal, for we find in Him the embodiment of all truth throughout the ages. Others may point the way. He said, “I AM THE WAY.” (John 14.6)..Hello Kazu
(09:44:31) (Bill) Why is the cross, the emblem of shame, necessary for those who seek the crown?
(09:44:47) (Bill) We consider a cross an emblem of shame, for innately we realize it is symbolic of opposition to God’s law. As in the beginning, the misuse of power given unto us brought suffering in this material world.
(09:44:47) (Sophia) yes .. *I AM* Christ speaks of the I AM presence
(09:45:18) (Sophia) i do not consider the cross an emblem of shame
(09:45:36) (Bill) . The cross is the emblem of shame to those who in the material world judge from appearance. It calls for humility, not stubbornness. It calls for suffering, not retorts. It calls for patience, not impetuosity. It calls for love of enemies, not hatred. It called for forgiveness, not unforgiveness. All this must be borne in the cross that the crown may be laid upon the brow of the real heir, and not the usurper, who would never understand his subjects no
(09:45:49) (patricia) me either Sophia, i hold the cross up as a sign of victory
(09:46:19) (patricia) oops sorry Bill
(09:46:37) (Bill) :o) some times it pays to wait a sec
(09:46:45) (Lory) Bill it cut off at 'subject no'.......
(09:46:50) (Bill) . Who else has cleared the way for mankind and said to all, “who so ever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother’? (Matt. 12.50)
(09:46:53) (patricia) Shame on me
(09:47:14) (Bill) It calls for patience, not impetuosity. It calls for love of enemies, not hatred. It called for forgiveness, not unforgiveness. All this must be borne in the cross that the crown may be laid upon the brow of the real heir, and not the usurper, who would never understand his subjects nor the road to true development.
(09:47:23) (Bill) Who else has cleared the way for mankind and said to all, “who so ever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother’? (Matt. 12.50)
(09:48:16) (Bill) hello Blue okay folks that the material for this evening feel free to say what evers on your mind now or forever hold your piece :o)
(09:50:19) (Bill) To practice, not preach, demands strength, power, and faith in the Ideal. Experience alone in overcoming can give a complete understanding of that it means for another to suffer, and yet not yield ~~ to bear and forbear, and through it all love and forgive.
(09:51:01) (Indigo) To practice, and What?
(09:51:22) (Qrious) I know I practice what I preach..with no qualms about it.. lol
(09:51:43) (Lory) I find what you said about application is very important Bill. To learn and know but not apply is nearly useless knowledge.
(09:51:50) (patricia) I need more practice
(09:52:21) (merri) To do the Talk Indigo you must also do the Walk!
(09:53:37) (Bill) from experience i've found you cannot truly understand anothers suffering until you've persojnaly had the experience even then it is your experience and does not trully give you what they may be feeling
(09:55:57) (tim_bob) Thank you Bill....Good night, all...
(09:56:34) (patricia) Bill, hard to believe that each of us has a part in the Divine Plan.
(09:56:43) (Qrious) Solya.. ya just missed the cross bearing class.. it was awesome.. hope it aint done yet.
(09:57:04) (Qrious) it will keep ya hangin' though.. lol
(09:57:05) (Lory) We would not have been created, Patricia, if we were not part of the plan....don't you think?
(09:57:12) (hi_all) The Nahuas (who inherited the Aztec and pre-Aztec philosophy) viewed their cosmology in terms of the horizontal world (cem-a-nahuac) and the heavens. These heavens were comparible to a blue dome. Within this blue dome, run different regions of the heavens which are separated by what they described as celestial crossbars.
(09:57:39) (Solya) Oh man, and I have so MUCH experience.
(09:57:45) (patricia) Well, can't help but wonder about it Lory
(09:58:01) (Bill) yes and no Pat hard to concieve just how much love our Creator has for us that He has given us so much power over our own lives
(09:58:14) (Lory) Of course, patricia, curiosity keeps us interested....:-)
(09:58:43) (Solya) Q, I like the pentecostal preacher who said, ¨When God sends tribulation, he expects you to tribulate.¨ Believe me I can howl with tthe best of them.
(09:58:46) (hi_all) The crossbars function as floor levels or passages between the heavens allowing various celestial bodies to move freely from region to region
(09:58:56) (Bill) true love is the ability to let go! i quess has somethiong to do with it
(09:59:06) (Qrious) well Solya.. it is a dog eat dog world.. lol
(09:59:08) (patricia) okay, so are those that try and test us also playing their part, or are they just taking it on theirselves to play devils advocate?
(09:59:18) (Solya) to Q
(09:59:48) (Blu) I think you can look at it both ways patricia!
(10:00:00) (Qrious) naw. not advocate.. we just step in.. lol
(10:00:00) (Lory) We do not need to let others pull our strings, or press our buttons, patricia.
(10:00:25) (Bill) Pat any test you or any one else gets are the result of our own choices made at one time or another
(10:00:34) (patricia) hmmm, i guess i have not learned how to do that Lory
(10:00:36) (hi_all) Hence, the crossbars, together with the "Cross of Light" and the foliated "Cross" configurations, mark the Sacred places on the Earth
(10:00:44) (Blu) either way it is Self that we are continuously meeting...at least that is what Bill has said on occassion! ;-D
(10:00:44) (Qrious) Bill is psychic Solya.. was talking about crosses.. it was neat.
(10:01:04) (Solya) lets whisper, Q I´m supposed to be practicing being good.
(10:01:23) (Lory) lol Solya
(10:01:28) (Qrious) naw.. lets not Solya.. people will begin to talk. lol
(10:01:29) (Indigo) hmmmm......
(10:01:32) (hi_all) This is where the Merkabah came from the heavens to the Earth, and rose again from the Earth to the Heavens
(10:01:34) (kazu) barnma are you here???
(10:01:47) (Solya) Then lets give them something to talk about I am very creative.
(10:01:50) (patricia) patience and tolerance...... that is what i am here to learn. Whew!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
(10:02:27) (Indigo) (constantly wiping forehead)
(10:02:29) (patricia) lol. lets practice together
(10:02:41) (hi_all) Crosses were used in religious practices, even before the message of Jesus was preached in Mesoamerica
(10:02:43) (Blu) Pat we are like a giant rock polisher and we are all rough stones
(10:02:46) (Qrious) whats a foliated cross hi-all.. a cross made of flowers... uh.. I should be asking Indigo.
(10:02:56) (Bill) His presence within is ever a bulwark of reserve power that enables us to resolve to acquit ourselves as men, to fight the battle, to win the race, and to wear the crown. Our Advocate with the Father keeps open the channel through which spiritual energy flows to us, so that we can make ourselves fit channels for passing on the truth to others.
(10:02:57) (Solya) I´ll bet you I can be harder to be patient with then yuo can!! practice
(10:03:06) (Solya) Patricia
(10:03:11) (Barnma) I'm here, just trying to read really fast and keep up
(10:03:11) (Barnma) lol
(10:03:16) (Indigo) hmmmmm....
(10:04:09) (Solya) But remember, Cayce said Jesus used to laugh a LOT.
(10:04:36) (Lory) Patience is a by-product of tribulations; it isn't granted, it is learned......
(10:04:44) (Qrious) thats foliated Indigo.. not dilapidated.. lol
(10:05:16) (hi_all) The Crosses were used to indicate the life-giving fusion (like jazz Walker) of Divine Wisdom with the primal element of Earth, taking place through the energy grids which are as "tools" for the transposing of energy into light
(09:30:42) (Bill) hope every ones days was a great one :o)
(09:30:50) (Bill) Our Father, our God, as we approach that, that may give us a better insight of what He bore in the cross, what His glory may be in the crown, may thy blessings ~~ as promised through Him ~~ be with us as we study together in His name (262-34) Amen
(09:31:04) (patricia) Amen
(09:31:11) (friend_to_mankind) Amen
(09:31:13) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:31:14) (Blu) Amen
(09:31:15) (Qrious) ameni
(09:31:15) (merri) Amen
(09:31:16) (Cris) Amen
(09:31:17) (Lory) Amen
(09:33:02) (Bill) We must bear what He bore because we must travel the same way to perfection that He traveled. Along that way are experiences that all must have in order to gain the power and the knowledge of overcoming. As He took upon Himself the burden of the world, so we, in our own little world, must take upon ourselves the burdens of those about us.
(09:33:16) (Qrious) guestions.. its short for suggested questions. fyi.
(09:33:47) (Bill) The yoke is easier because the burden is lighter. He bore it all. We bear only our part. In so doing we may become conscious of our real purpose to glorify the Creator and come to know that, after all, our crosses are only misunderstandings and misapplications of His laws. To practice, not preach, demands strength, power, and faith in the Ideal.
(09:34:31) (Bill) Experience alone in overcoming can give a complete understanding of that it means for another to suffer, and yet not yield ~~ to bear and forbear, and through it all love and forgive.
(09:35:16) (Bill) His yoke is easy because His presence abides with us, protecting us and sharing the burdens that otherwise would be too heavy for us to bear. Then, too, as we come to understand the meaning of our crosses and His abiding presence, our sufferings become lessons of wisdom, our turmoil more peaceful,
(09:35:54) (Bill) and we rejoice as we find ourselves growing more and more into the likeness of Him who, by the way of the cross, became the Lord of lords and the King of kings.
(09:36:29) (Bill) His presence within is ever a bulwark of reserve power that enables us to resolve to acquit ourselves as men, to fight the battle, to win the race, and to wear the crown. Our Advocate with the Father keeps open the channel through which spiritual energy flows to us, so that we can make ourselves fit channels for passing on the truth to others
(09:37:12) (Bill) . Spiritual understanding brings the knowledge that matter is the tool with which we may shape the nobler life into a likeness of the Creator. Harmony with His will, understanding, and application of His laws will bring at all times peace not tumult, joy not sorrow, love not hate, and strength not weakness.
(09:37:47) (Bill) . With His aid and the knowledge of His Spirit bearing witness with our spirit, the yoke that we are called upon to bear becomes, in fact, easy; and the burdens laid upon us are, indeed, light.
(09:38:14) (Bill) Does the life lived according to our own faith, our own understanding, and our own walking in His presence explain why each soul must bear a cross?
(09:38:37) (Bill) As we seek to apply that learned in previous lessons dealing with attributes of the soul which should be magnified through our daily activities, we begin to realize our lack of application of those essential elements or attributes.
(09:39:13) (Bill) . We realize that we bear crosses because we have not yet learned to give complete expression to our soul faculties. We gradually realize how much of the inner self we have covered up; pushed aside for what we considered the more important desires of the conscious self.
(09:39:47) (Bill) . In so doing we have pushed ourselves further and further away from God. How well we begin to comprehend that our crosses are created by ourselves!
(09:40:18) (Bill) On the other hand, as we learn and apply these attributes of the soul, there comes joy and peace in the realization that the inner self is awakening and that it is ever on the alert to express itself through the exercising of faith, virtue, and understanding.
(09:40:44) (Bill) . Our relationships with others are made more perfect, and the ideal is set in Him. We see our crosses in a new light; we begin to catch a glimpse of the glory of the crown. We come to the realization of having, in truth, a part in the divine plan.
(09:41:14) (Bill) Why has the cross been chosen rather than some other philosophy that might correlate the material and spiritual life?
(09:41:44) (Bill) The cross is the emblem of the subjective self of the One who bore the burden of the world. It is chosen not because of the personality of the great teacher, Jesus the man, but because of the way to the Father made plain through Jesus the Christ.
(09:42:34) (Bill) . It is the symbol of the life and teachings of Him who stirred the souls of men to express in all other forms of truth. It is a part of the truth of the world and the whole truth for those who choose its standard. It answers every question of the soul that is ready for light and satisfied the longing of the innermost being.
(09:43:43) (Bill) . It is a symbol of the way of truth and light, universal in appeal, eternal and impelling, yet personal in application. In seeking the divine, we have taken Jesus the Christ as our Ideal, for we find in Him the embodiment of all truth throughout the ages. Others may point the way. He said, “I AM THE WAY.” (John 14.6)..Hello Kazu
(09:44:31) (Bill) Why is the cross, the emblem of shame, necessary for those who seek the crown?
(09:44:47) (Bill) We consider a cross an emblem of shame, for innately we realize it is symbolic of opposition to God’s law. As in the beginning, the misuse of power given unto us brought suffering in this material world.
(09:44:47) (Sophia) yes .. *I AM* Christ speaks of the I AM presence
(09:45:18) (Sophia) i do not consider the cross an emblem of shame
(09:45:36) (Bill) . The cross is the emblem of shame to those who in the material world judge from appearance. It calls for humility, not stubbornness. It calls for suffering, not retorts. It calls for patience, not impetuosity. It calls for love of enemies, not hatred. It called for forgiveness, not unforgiveness. All this must be borne in the cross that the crown may be laid upon the brow of the real heir, and not the usurper, who would never understand his subjects no
(09:45:49) (patricia) me either Sophia, i hold the cross up as a sign of victory
(09:46:19) (patricia) oops sorry Bill
(09:46:37) (Bill) :o) some times it pays to wait a sec
(09:46:45) (Lory) Bill it cut off at 'subject no'.......
(09:46:50) (Bill) . Who else has cleared the way for mankind and said to all, “who so ever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother’? (Matt. 12.50)
(09:46:53) (patricia) Shame on me
(09:47:14) (Bill) It calls for patience, not impetuosity. It calls for love of enemies, not hatred. It called for forgiveness, not unforgiveness. All this must be borne in the cross that the crown may be laid upon the brow of the real heir, and not the usurper, who would never understand his subjects nor the road to true development.
(09:47:23) (Bill) Who else has cleared the way for mankind and said to all, “who so ever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother’? (Matt. 12.50)
(09:48:16) (Bill) hello Blue okay folks that the material for this evening feel free to say what evers on your mind now or forever hold your piece :o)
(09:50:19) (Bill) To practice, not preach, demands strength, power, and faith in the Ideal. Experience alone in overcoming can give a complete understanding of that it means for another to suffer, and yet not yield ~~ to bear and forbear, and through it all love and forgive.
(09:51:01) (Indigo) To practice, and What?
(09:51:22) (Qrious) I know I practice what I preach..with no qualms about it.. lol
(09:51:43) (Lory) I find what you said about application is very important Bill. To learn and know but not apply is nearly useless knowledge.
(09:51:50) (patricia) I need more practice
(09:52:21) (merri) To do the Talk Indigo you must also do the Walk!
(09:53:37) (Bill) from experience i've found you cannot truly understand anothers suffering until you've persojnaly had the experience even then it is your experience and does not trully give you what they may be feeling
(09:55:57) (tim_bob) Thank you Bill....Good night, all...
(09:56:34) (patricia) Bill, hard to believe that each of us has a part in the Divine Plan.
(09:56:43) (Qrious) Solya.. ya just missed the cross bearing class.. it was awesome.. hope it aint done yet.
(09:57:04) (Qrious) it will keep ya hangin' though.. lol
(09:57:05) (Lory) We would not have been created, Patricia, if we were not part of the plan....don't you think?
(09:57:12) (hi_all) The Nahuas (who inherited the Aztec and pre-Aztec philosophy) viewed their cosmology in terms of the horizontal world (cem-a-nahuac) and the heavens. These heavens were comparible to a blue dome. Within this blue dome, run different regions of the heavens which are separated by what they described as celestial crossbars.
(09:57:39) (Solya) Oh man, and I have so MUCH experience.
(09:57:45) (patricia) Well, can't help but wonder about it Lory
(09:58:01) (Bill) yes and no Pat hard to concieve just how much love our Creator has for us that He has given us so much power over our own lives
(09:58:14) (Lory) Of course, patricia, curiosity keeps us interested....:-)
(09:58:43) (Solya) Q, I like the pentecostal preacher who said, ¨When God sends tribulation, he expects you to tribulate.¨ Believe me I can howl with tthe best of them.
(09:58:46) (hi_all) The crossbars function as floor levels or passages between the heavens allowing various celestial bodies to move freely from region to region
(09:58:56) (Bill) true love is the ability to let go! i quess has somethiong to do with it
(09:59:06) (Qrious) well Solya.. it is a dog eat dog world.. lol
(09:59:08) (patricia) okay, so are those that try and test us also playing their part, or are they just taking it on theirselves to play devils advocate?
(09:59:18) (Solya) to Q
(09:59:48) (Blu) I think you can look at it both ways patricia!
(10:00:00) (Qrious) naw. not advocate.. we just step in.. lol
(10:00:00) (Lory) We do not need to let others pull our strings, or press our buttons, patricia.
(10:00:25) (Bill) Pat any test you or any one else gets are the result of our own choices made at one time or another
(10:00:34) (patricia) hmmm, i guess i have not learned how to do that Lory
(10:00:36) (hi_all) Hence, the crossbars, together with the "Cross of Light" and the foliated "Cross" configurations, mark the Sacred places on the Earth
(10:00:44) (Blu) either way it is Self that we are continuously meeting...at least that is what Bill has said on occassion! ;-D
(10:00:44) (Qrious) Bill is psychic Solya.. was talking about crosses.. it was neat.
(10:01:04) (Solya) lets whisper, Q I´m supposed to be practicing being good.
(10:01:23) (Lory) lol Solya
(10:01:28) (Qrious) naw.. lets not Solya.. people will begin to talk. lol
(10:01:29) (Indigo) hmmmm......
(10:01:32) (hi_all) This is where the Merkabah came from the heavens to the Earth, and rose again from the Earth to the Heavens
(10:01:34) (kazu) barnma are you here???
(10:01:47) (Solya) Then lets give them something to talk about I am very creative.
(10:01:50) (patricia) patience and tolerance...... that is what i am here to learn. Whew!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
(10:02:27) (Indigo) (constantly wiping forehead)
(10:02:29) (patricia) lol. lets practice together
(10:02:41) (hi_all) Crosses were used in religious practices, even before the message of Jesus was preached in Mesoamerica
(10:02:43) (Blu) Pat we are like a giant rock polisher and we are all rough stones
(10:02:46) (Qrious) whats a foliated cross hi-all.. a cross made of flowers... uh.. I should be asking Indigo.
(10:02:56) (Bill) His presence within is ever a bulwark of reserve power that enables us to resolve to acquit ourselves as men, to fight the battle, to win the race, and to wear the crown. Our Advocate with the Father keeps open the channel through which spiritual energy flows to us, so that we can make ourselves fit channels for passing on the truth to others.
(10:02:57) (Solya) I´ll bet you I can be harder to be patient with then yuo can!! practice
(10:03:06) (Solya) Patricia
(10:03:11) (Barnma) I'm here, just trying to read really fast and keep up
(10:03:11) (Barnma) lol
(10:03:16) (Indigo) hmmmmm....
(10:04:09) (Solya) But remember, Cayce said Jesus used to laugh a LOT.
(10:04:36) (Lory) Patience is a by-product of tribulations; it isn't granted, it is learned......
(10:04:44) (Qrious) thats foliated Indigo.. not dilapidated.. lol
(10:05:16) (hi_all) The Crosses were used to indicate the life-giving fusion (like jazz Walker) of Divine Wisdom with the primal element of Earth, taking place through the energy grids which are as "tools" for the transposing of energy into light
