Post by WalksInSpirit on Oct 24, 2005 22:07:39 GMT -5
Search For God: Book One Study: 10-24-05
"Lesson Five: Virtue & Understanding"
(08:29:15) (Bill) in the mean time the affirmation is :: Let virtue and understanding be in me, for my defense is in Thee O lord, my Redeemer; for Thou hearest the prayer of the upright in heart. (262-17, A-14.) Amen
(08:31:19) (Bill) Okay this evening we'll get going on virtue and understanding where we left off last wk.
(08:31:26) (Bill) Virtue and Understanding Are Essential to Right Living, or righteous living. They are needed in meeting the daily problems of life that arise within us as well as in our relationships with others. We sincerely desire that our standards be correct, but none of us can choose aright unless we are guided by the Holy Spirit.
(08:32:04) (Bill) It is hard to know the original cause or the final result of a decision influencing another. We may not know what trial or tribulation may have caused a brother to err. If we know, it is because we have ourselves experienced some similar tribulation.
(08:32:38) (Bill) . It is then that our standards are measured by Him who abides within our holy temple, and they fit perfectly with the Ideal within our less fortunate brother. We have no cause to find fault or condemn.
(08:33:50) (Bill) Virtue and understanding are the requisites for spiritual work. What we do not possess we cannot give. What we do not live we cannot teach others to live. Unless we are pure, how can we expect others to be pure?
(08:34:14) (Bill) ? Our very words and acts condemn us. We must be and know before we can direct, or before we can rightly guide others who are seeking the safe harbor.
(08:34:52) (Bill) There is a desire in each of us to live better day by day. We wish to reach a certain goal. If we are choosing the highest, the best, we will not be satisfied with anything less. It is well for us to remember that the highest goal is not reached at a single bound, but step by step ~~ here a little, there a little.
(08:35:50) (Bill) . It is encouraging to know that no good deed is lost, not even a good intention; but all are built within our very souls and will bear fruits, some thirty, some fifty and some a hundredfold. It is by deeds, righteous deeds, that we rise. “We climb to heaven leaning on the arm of a brother whom we have helped.” (281-4.)
(08:36:24) (Bill) The way to virtue and understanding is through prayer and meditation. The approach to all understanding must come from a proper concept of our needs in the physical, the mental, and the spiritual phases of our lives. This is the approach of the Master Jesus.
(08:36:51) (Bill) Others may point the way, but have they the virtue and understanding of Him who said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life?” (John 14.6.) He proclaimed no way except the one He, Himself, had trod. He so lived the way that He could say, “Follow me.” (Luke 11.9) The way is open to all.
(08:36:53) (ky-mike) well said bill !
(08:37:28) (Bill) We are moving along the path when we begin to see ourselves as others see us, when no unkind thought of our brother is allowed to lodge in our hearts, and when we seek earnestly to be pure in heart, pure in mind, pure in body and pure in soul.
(08:37:58) (Bill) The way is straight and narrow, so narrow that we must have no will but the Father’s, that we must have no purpose but to do His work, and that we must have no aim but to reach the Christ Consciousness. This leads to virtue and understanding. “Seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.! (Luke 11.9.)
(08:38:52) (Bill) well thats enough material for us to swallow in one evening so now lets hash it over
(08:38:59) (Raleigh) yes ok
(08:39:04) (Raleigh) ty bill
(08:39:25) (Raleigh) well i seek perfection bill
(08:39:31) (Raleigh) i others
(08:39:33) (Bill) Virtue and Understanding Are Essential to Right Living, or righteous living. They are needed in meeting the daily problems of life that arise within us as well as in our relationships with others. We sincerely desire that our standards be correct, but none of us can choose aright unless we are guided by the Holy Spirit.
(08:39:44) (Raleigh) so this is not correct?
(08:39:48) (Roz) are you goin g to teach meditation bill
(08:39:52) (friend_to_mankind) Righteousness is of the Lord
(08:40:33) (Walt) Well, the statement "We climb to heaven leaning on the arm of a brother whom we have helped.? " is not entirely correct
(08:40:35) (Bill) guided by the hole spirit now there's the 1st challenge we face setting self aside and letting the Spirit be our guide
(08:40:51) (Raleigh) k
(08:40:56) (Raleigh) why walt
(08:41:26) (Roz) explain please Walt
(08:41:36) (Bill) maybe after book one Roz we went over it at the beginning of this book but interest was low :o(
(08:41:47) (Walt) the bible is specific about the requirements for getting into heaven and good deeds is not one of those requirements.....being baptized, confessing our faith etc. are required
(08:41:48) (Raleigh) in service i see walt
(08:41:55) (Roz) okie Bill
(08:42:15) (Raleigh) well yes / but works are nessisary as well
(08:42:18) (Lory) Heaven is here and now....here on earth....
(08:42:36) (Bill) so Walt some confession and no action on our part is sufficient??
(08:42:39) (Raleigh) faith without works is dead walt
(08:42:44) (Walt) yes.......necessary, but not "the way" or stepping stones
(08:42:50) (Q) wouldn't this be in line with seeking the kingdom first.. and His righteousness... Walt?
(08:42:52) (WalksInSpirit) But, not all denominations of Christianity believe that one has to be baptized in order to get to Heaven.
(08:43:18) (Walt) they help, but no matter how many good deeds one does, if the other requirements are not met, ya ain't gunna go there
(08:43:24) (ky-mike) true wis
(08:43:37) (Bill) i thinbk there's a good possibility we've been bathed in the Holy Spirit and just fail to eccept it
(08:43:40) (friend_to_mankind) All who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved
(08:43:45) (One) It is true, no one enters into His Kingdom who is not leaning on the arm of someone they have helped.
(08:43:58) (Raleigh) faith without works / explain that 1 walt
(08:43:58) (Q) you are correct Walks.. the example would be the two criminals that were on the cross with Jesus.
(08:43:59) (gilly) walt you should not be so judgementle and closed minded
(08:44:00) (Lory) That is what theologians believe, but I am not sure theologians are always correct....:-)
(08:44:30) (Walt) Well, the devil knows there is a god, and he does what he thinks are good deeds, but he will not make it
(08:45:10) (One) Of course no one enters into His Kingdom save through His Will.
(08:45:10) (Bill) It is hard to know the original cause or the final result of a decision influencing another. We may not know what trial or tribulation may have caused a brother to err. If we know, it is because we have ourselves experienced some similar tribulation.
(08:45:17) (WalksInSpirit) Right, Qrious. Jesus didn't say to the theif, "This day you shall be with me in Paradise... right after we get down from here and baptize you!" He said "This day you shall be with me in paradise."
(08:45:25) (Raleigh) yes however we must follow his example yes / so this is works ok
(08:45:33) (Raleigh) fact
(08:45:53) (Q) yeppers WIS.
(08:46:52) (Bill) well this evening we are just covering one of the steps to heaven not the leap in one bound and vitue and understanding is one of those steps
(08:46:56) (Raleigh) well its true / faith without works ya know
(08:47:01) (Bill) It is then that our standards are measured by Him who abides within our holy temple, and they fit perfectly with the Ideal within our less fortunate brother. We have no cause to find fault or condemn.
(08:47:09) (Raleigh) got him mad
(08:48:17) (Bill) every ones intitled their opinion but we must judge by its fruits
(08:48:20) (Q) I don't believe so Ral.. I think that these thoughts are just alien to him.. if he would test them to let them stand on there own.. who knows?
(08:48:22) (Bill) Virtue and understanding are the requisites for spiritual work. What we do not possess we cannot give. What we do not live we cannot teach others to live. Unless we are pure, how can we expect others to be pure? Our very words and acts condemn us. We must be and know before we can direct, or before we can rightly guide others who are seeking the safe harbor.
(08:48:39) (Raleigh) ok q ty
(08:49:40) (Raleigh) ok bill / got it that was my question ty
(08:49:46) (Roz) probably just semantics
(08:49:59) (BlackWolf) Living an ethical life = virtue, cleans the auric field and smoothens the connection with our subconscious and higher self.
(08:50:28) (Bill) that last statement puts pressure on me and a feeling of lack of worthyness even though i'm only copying this material from a Cayce book
(08:50:33) (Q) The Christ - consciousness is a univesal consciousness of the Father Spirit.. the Jesus consciousness is that which man builds in his body as worship.
(08:50:48) (Raleigh) your fine bill
(08:52:02) (Bill) There is a desire in each of us to live better day by day. We wish to reach a certain goal. If we are choosing the highest, the best, we will not be satisfied with anything less. It is well for us to remember that the highest goal is not reached at a single bound, but step by step ~~ here a little, there a little.
(08:52:04) (One) Those who are so unselfish as toi allow the Spirit to Operate in their stead are aware of the Spirits Activities; yet those who just touch upon It may not wholy make It their own.
(08:52:28) (Q) I think your doing just fine Bill.. don't be so hard on yourself.. people only take what they are willing to swallow.. or are prepared to recieved.
(08:52:49) (Bill) ty Q
(08:52:57) (ky-mike) an open mind .... is a good thing
(08:53:07) (Raleigh) yes mike
(08:53:46) (patricia) a mind is like a parachute, it only works when it is open
(08:53:57) (Raleigh) lol
(08:53:59) (Raleigh) k
(08:54:00) (ky-mike) neat pat
(08:54:00) (merri) like that pat
(08:54:04) (One) Open to Him, not just open.
(08:54:07) (BlackWolf) Nice observation patricia. :o)
(08:54:09) (Roz) sometime s the mind is so open everything falls out
(08:54:18) (Bill) reaching a goal in a single bound is what most desire patience is out of the question whjich puts a person in a position to tend to give up rather than seek with patience and love
(08:54:18) (patricia) lol Roz
(08:54:31) (One) A mind just open not protected by the Spirit of Christ is in jeopardy.
(08:54:39) (Raleigh) hey princess / im going to use that ok / what do i owe you / lol
(08:55:23) (Bill) yes One its intensions must be of the highest good and protected with the love of the Spirit
(08:55:26) (Q) Just think.. everything in all of these teachings will be under scrutiny by anyone finding it in direct conflict with their established beliefs.. and thats o.k.. it is when one suspends his views temporarally will they will at least give an ear to anothers point of view... your alright by me Bill.
(08:55:31) (friend_to_mankind) II Timothy 3:12 Yea ,and all that will live godly in Christ Jesusshall suffer persecution.
(08:55:50) (Raleigh) lol
(08:56:03) (Raleigh) im still laughin at roz lol
(08:56:14) (ky-mike) well i gota get up early..., blessings roomie
(08:56:18) (Raleigh) oh roz funny
(08:56:20) (Bill) . It is encouraging to know that no good deed is lost, not even a good intention; but all are built within our very souls and will bear fruits, some thirty, some fifty and some a hundredfold. It is by deeds, righteous deeds, that we rise. “We climb to heaven leaning on the arm of a brother whom we have helped.” (281-4.)
(08:56:41) (Roz) at least someone has a established belief
(08:56:48) (Q) and just leave the increase to God.. then all will be well.
(08:57:29) (Q) that was a blanket statement Roz.. for lack of a better word.
(08:58:32) (Raleigh) so bill hmmmm
(08:58:36) (Bill) what we build with our intesions and actions becomes our future and by doing so and things start coming together for us we get incouragement
(08:59:16) (Raleigh) ok then so if i am expecting those about me to be perfectthen
(08:59:19) (Raleigh) do i?
(08:59:25) (Bill) The way to virtue and understanding is through prayer and meditation. The approach to all understanding must come from a proper concept of our needs in the physical, the mental, and the spiritual phases of our lives. This is the approach of the Master Jesus.
(09:00:02) (merri) how does virtue and understanding come thru prayer
(09:00:06) (Q) the Cayce reading said that perfection is our goal Ral.. as it is written.. be ye perfect.. as thy father in heaven is perfect.
(09:00:18) (Raleigh) yes ok
(09:00:22) (Bill) not that there are not many examples over time for us to learn from
(09:00:23) (One) And application Bill.
(09:00:24) (Raleigh) grace yes
(09:00:34) (Raleigh) application ok
(09:00:36) (Bill) yes One
(09:01:00) (One) Applying what you Receive bin meditation in your lives.
(09:01:11) (Bill) in the asking merri - then in the listening during meditation
(09:01:22) (Raleigh) k
(09:01:24) (Roz) we learn from each other virtue andunderstanding
(09:01:32) (merri) is prayer always asking?
(09:01:39) (Bill) yes Roz
(09:01:41) (Q) knowledge is said to assist virtue.. and understanding is the reward for having virtue.. so maybe a little info would be of some help.
(09:01:46) (One) True Understanding lies ever in Him.
(09:01:57) (Bill) for me merri it is giving thanks
(09:02:03) (ernie) yes roz
(09:02:04) (Raleigh) hmmm / i demand in prayer lol
(09:02:07) (One) It comes through prayer, meditation, and application.
(09:02:21) (merri) yes Bill wondered it that came into the picture
(09:02:24) (Raleigh) like jacob raslez god / :)
(09:02:35) (Moira) solomon's requests come to mind
(09:02:41) (Roz) you have to listen Raleigh, not demand
(09:02:47) (Raleigh) k
(09:02:59) (Raleigh) meditation i listen yes ok
(09:03:25) (Raleigh) in prayer i speak to my dad upstairs
(09:03:25) (Bill) apply the true as you know and believe it to be and the way will be given
(09:03:42) (Raleigh) ask for the keys to the car / :)
(09:03:42) (One) As Cayce gave, Repentance then is, "Not my will O God, but Your Will be done, in me through me."
(09:03:43) (Q) Virtue is said to be the seasoning of Faith.. the essence of Hope.
(09:04:01) (friend_to_mankind) II Timothy All Scripyure is givenby inspiration of Godm, and is profitable for doctrine ,for reproof,for correction,for instruction in righteousness .Thjat the man of God may be perfect ,thouroughly furnished unto all good works
(09:04:11) (One) Offering yourself to Him as dis the Master is virtuous
(09:04:17) (Bill) Others may point the way, but have they the virtue and understanding of Him who said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life?” (John 14.6.) He proclaimed no way except the one He, Himself, had trod. He so lived the way that He could say, “Follow me.” (Luke 11.9) The way is open to all.
(09:04:21) (BlackWolf) In prayer and in meditation, it is best to be a mountain lake awaiting the rains. :o)
(09:04:33) (Raleigh) huh
(09:04:41) (Raleigh) what b/w?
(09:05:26) (Bill) good one BW
(09:05:28) (Raleigh) oh ok
(09:05:38) (Raleigh) i see it now yes b/w ty
(09:05:38) (Bill) We are moving along the path when we begin to see ourselves as others see us, when no unkind thought of our brother is allowed to lodge in our hearts, and when we seek earnestly to be pure in heart, pure in mind, pure in body and pure in soul.
(09:05:51) (virtual_girl) beautiful Nickwhy! :o)
(09:06:16) (Raleigh) oh nickers / you impress all here huh / :)
(09:06:30) (Bill) when no unkind word enters our heart now there's a habit we all could use some practice with :o)
(09:06:43) (patricia) Amen to that Bill
(09:07:02) (Roz) you too Bill?
(09:07:09) (Bill) and i'm probably at the top of the list
(09:07:10) (Raleigh) hmmm
(09:07:13) (Q) well.. the readings did have a lesson on that one.. to see within each.. that we would worship in our God.
(09:07:15) (Raleigh) yeh bill
(09:07:17) (Raleigh) you?
(09:07:32) (One) Cayce said the lesson for the first sixs months should be One....One, One, One! Oneness of God; Oneness of Purpose; Oneness of Time; Oneness in every effort; Oneness! Oneness! Oneness! Cayce 900-429
(09:07:43) (BlackWolf) So true, Bill
(09:07:49) (Moira) cute One
(09:08:11) (Raleigh) oh yes one / gee ive not recalled that 1 for years ty
(09:08:16) (Q) in that light.. it would help to see the things that would bring us together and not keep us separate.. in thought or deed.
(09:08:38) (Bill) yes Q
(09:08:39) (Bill) The way is straight and narrow, so narrow that we must have no will but the Father’s, that we must have no purpose but to do His work, and that we must have no aim but to reach the Christ Consciousness. This leads to virtue and understanding. “Seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.! (Luke 11.9.)
(09:08:43) (Raleigh) gee ty one / :)
(09:08:49) (friend_to_mankind) See only the pure ,the good ! For until you are able to see within the life and activities of those you have come to hate the most ,something you worship in the Creator ,you haven't begun to think straight
(09:09:01) (friend_to_mankind) cayce 1776-1
(09:09:11) (Raleigh) hey one
(09:09:15) (Raleigh) hey
(09:09:20) (Bill) yes Friend
(09:09:44) (Bill) look for the God in all who's path we cross
(09:09:46) (Raleigh) did you know tjhhat is person 900 that is the shinx face / yup
(09:10:07) (Q) Then we should consider.. what should we be doing .. about the things.. that Jesus gave us charge over.. as good stewards... that might make us behave.
(09:10:48) (friend_to_mankind) Do ever in self that thou knowest to be right, though it may make of self an outcast to your neighbor cayce 373-2
(09:10:51) (Q) In a manner.. of Oneness to our fellow man?
(09:11:11) (Bill) Q we are stewards of the earth and all within just that the responsibility tends to slip our minds occasi0onally :o)
(09:11:11) (Raleigh) cant be made to q / free will deal here q
(09:11:30) (BlackWolf) That is an interesting quote, friend-to-mankind
(09:12:33) (Bill) yes F_T_M go srate ahead shamlessly
(09:12:34) (Raleigh) rats i missed bill / lol
(09:12:47) (friend_to_mankind) that's where the persecution comes in
(09:13:03) (Q) We.. have been given a charge Ral.. to feed the sheep and tend the lambs.. its in what manner or frame of thought that should be considered.. if done with consternation.. the we shall reap what has sown.. if in the glory of God.. than God shall be glorified in all that we do.
(09:13:19) (One) Be blameless before Him.
(09:13:55) (Q) free will is a given.. but consider this.. he who would take hold of the plow and looks back... is not worthy.
(09:14:11) (friend_to_mankind) Will you conform to what the standard Quo is or dare to change the world you live in and be willing to suffer for it
(09:14:15) (Bill) live your truth to the fullest shamelessly and consistantly as to be a living example
(09:15:39) (Q) That would be answered FTM.. as .. In proportion of the faith that one has in God.. and the increase of faith asked for if in need of it for the task at hand.. if found worthy.
(09:15:53) (friend_to_mankind) Once the shoulder has been set to the plow and looking back then no longer fit for the Kingdom
(09:15:54) (virtual_girl) what is an example of "consistently"
(09:16:18) (Raleigh) yes ftm / a lesson i am leaning that 1
(09:16:44) (Bill) daily not just when the tide is flowing your way Kim
(09:16:44) (Q) It would be the Impelling Force of the Universal Consciousness.. focussed upon one with the gumption to make a stand for God.
(09:16:57) (virtual_girl) i c thanks
(09:17:35) (Q) They worship me with there lips.. but there ways are far from me... laymans terms.
(09:17:40) (friend_to_mankind) Onward Christian soldiers marching as to war with the cross of Jesus going on before
(09:17:55) (BlackWolf) The inconceivable idea of remaining standing while around you hurricane force winds swirl.
(09:18:01) (Raleigh) yes roz
(09:18:26) (Wanda) I thiink you have to be careful that Rightousness does not become self-rightousness
(09:18:34) (friend_to_mankind) Heaven is obtained through many trials and tribulations
(09:18:34) (One) Willingness to be used by Him. Willingness to loose that which keeps one in perpetual separation from His Will, His Light, because it cannot exist There so it will no go quietly into the Light.
(09:18:48) (Roz) and Light is not saying ,not heavy
(09:18:49) (Raleigh) hmmm yes wanda however---
(09:19:06) (Q) Amen to that Wanda.. cause in that the sin Pride.. lies in wait.
(09:19:38) (Raleigh) others will not think higher of you than you do of yourself / yet dont think to highly of yourself ok wanda
(09:19:53) (Raleigh) :)
(09:19:59) (Wanda) I won't Ral
(09:20:07) (Raleigh) yes
(09:20:13) (Q) Ral.. you probably missread Wandas statement.
(09:20:20) (Raleigh) hmm
(09:20:21) (Raleigh) k
(09:20:23) (Raleigh) ty q
(09:20:32) (Q) It was just a statement . .. and only that.
(09:21:15) (merri) Well now that we have all talked the talk are you willing to do the walk?
(09:21:33) (One) It is enough to try....it is not enough to not try.
(09:23:14) (BlackWolf) Let us avoid doing to another that which we think is our just judgement on that person.
(09:23:23) (One) Yes.
(09:23:33) (Roz) indeed Bw
(09:23:38) (One) That happens allot....evern in here.
(09:23:51) (One) Such as name calling.
(09:23:52) (Raleigh) that ec said that only 1 in a million are sincere ok / so merri i pray i be omong them ok / i am
(09:23:54) (BlackWolf) In this way we avoid mixing our own problems into another's path.
(09:24:18) (One) Judging another to be worthy of being belittled is wrong.
(09:24:21) (Raleigh) ok merri / true story oki
(09:24:25) (Q) how about calling it a misperception until notified BW.. lol.
(09:26:03) (One) Speading malicious gossip is wrong.....this too happens in here.
(09:26:17) (Wanda) I like the way you put that Nick. Mixing our own problems into another's path. Sometimes we don't even see it as such
(09:26:35) (One) Why say one thing and do another.
(09:26:36) (Q) I like it when someone points out my lack.. of whatever I did.. sometimes I can be stupid.. or my timing sucks.. and I want to know.. So whisper it to me if you feel so inclined.
(09:26:45) (One) Be true to yourself and to God.
(09:27:01) (Q) Not all at once mind you.. lol.
(09:27:02) (One) Quit being a hypocrite
(09:27:11) (One) Do what's right.
(09:27:36) (One) Be an example for others to follow leading them ever higher towards Him.
(09:27:55) (One) Don't take others down withgyou because you are bitter.
(09:28:34) (Q) who's bitter One.?
(09:28:59) (Q) Or.. is that just a statement?
(09:29:15) (One) Both.
(09:29:38) (Q) I see it as .. we may not all get along.. but we can still all gather around for a common cause. Its fun.
(09:29:38) (BlackWolf) True, yet, to think that others are "whatever reprehensible language you think of" and therefore to discard them is losing sight of the universality of oneself.
(09:30:28) (Moira) Ty Bill your posts were meaningful to me tonight
(09:30:35) (One) This place should be kept Holy.
(09:30:56) (Wanda) I see this as a melting pot for peace.
(09:31:02) (merri) this is a meeting place One
(09:31:09) (merri) not a shrine
(09:31:15) (Raleigh) and no q
(08:31:19) (Bill) Okay this evening we'll get going on virtue and understanding where we left off last wk.
(08:31:26) (Bill) Virtue and Understanding Are Essential to Right Living, or righteous living. They are needed in meeting the daily problems of life that arise within us as well as in our relationships with others. We sincerely desire that our standards be correct, but none of us can choose aright unless we are guided by the Holy Spirit.
(08:32:04) (Bill) It is hard to know the original cause or the final result of a decision influencing another. We may not know what trial or tribulation may have caused a brother to err. If we know, it is because we have ourselves experienced some similar tribulation.
(08:32:38) (Bill) . It is then that our standards are measured by Him who abides within our holy temple, and they fit perfectly with the Ideal within our less fortunate brother. We have no cause to find fault or condemn.
(08:33:50) (Bill) Virtue and understanding are the requisites for spiritual work. What we do not possess we cannot give. What we do not live we cannot teach others to live. Unless we are pure, how can we expect others to be pure?
(08:34:14) (Bill) ? Our very words and acts condemn us. We must be and know before we can direct, or before we can rightly guide others who are seeking the safe harbor.
(08:34:52) (Bill) There is a desire in each of us to live better day by day. We wish to reach a certain goal. If we are choosing the highest, the best, we will not be satisfied with anything less. It is well for us to remember that the highest goal is not reached at a single bound, but step by step ~~ here a little, there a little.
(08:35:50) (Bill) . It is encouraging to know that no good deed is lost, not even a good intention; but all are built within our very souls and will bear fruits, some thirty, some fifty and some a hundredfold. It is by deeds, righteous deeds, that we rise. “We climb to heaven leaning on the arm of a brother whom we have helped.” (281-4.)
(08:36:24) (Bill) The way to virtue and understanding is through prayer and meditation. The approach to all understanding must come from a proper concept of our needs in the physical, the mental, and the spiritual phases of our lives. This is the approach of the Master Jesus.
(08:36:51) (Bill) Others may point the way, but have they the virtue and understanding of Him who said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life?” (John 14.6.) He proclaimed no way except the one He, Himself, had trod. He so lived the way that He could say, “Follow me.” (Luke 11.9) The way is open to all.
(08:36:53) (ky-mike) well said bill !
(08:37:28) (Bill) We are moving along the path when we begin to see ourselves as others see us, when no unkind thought of our brother is allowed to lodge in our hearts, and when we seek earnestly to be pure in heart, pure in mind, pure in body and pure in soul.
(08:37:58) (Bill) The way is straight and narrow, so narrow that we must have no will but the Father’s, that we must have no purpose but to do His work, and that we must have no aim but to reach the Christ Consciousness. This leads to virtue and understanding. “Seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.! (Luke 11.9.)
(08:38:52) (Bill) well thats enough material for us to swallow in one evening so now lets hash it over
(08:38:59) (Raleigh) yes ok
(08:39:04) (Raleigh) ty bill
(08:39:25) (Raleigh) well i seek perfection bill
(08:39:31) (Raleigh) i others
(08:39:33) (Bill) Virtue and Understanding Are Essential to Right Living, or righteous living. They are needed in meeting the daily problems of life that arise within us as well as in our relationships with others. We sincerely desire that our standards be correct, but none of us can choose aright unless we are guided by the Holy Spirit.
(08:39:44) (Raleigh) so this is not correct?
(08:39:48) (Roz) are you goin g to teach meditation bill
(08:39:52) (friend_to_mankind) Righteousness is of the Lord
(08:40:33) (Walt) Well, the statement "We climb to heaven leaning on the arm of a brother whom we have helped.? " is not entirely correct
(08:40:35) (Bill) guided by the hole spirit now there's the 1st challenge we face setting self aside and letting the Spirit be our guide
(08:40:51) (Raleigh) k
(08:40:56) (Raleigh) why walt
(08:41:26) (Roz) explain please Walt
(08:41:36) (Bill) maybe after book one Roz we went over it at the beginning of this book but interest was low :o(
(08:41:47) (Walt) the bible is specific about the requirements for getting into heaven and good deeds is not one of those requirements.....being baptized, confessing our faith etc. are required
(08:41:48) (Raleigh) in service i see walt
(08:41:55) (Roz) okie Bill
(08:42:15) (Raleigh) well yes / but works are nessisary as well
(08:42:18) (Lory) Heaven is here and now....here on earth....
(08:42:36) (Bill) so Walt some confession and no action on our part is sufficient??
(08:42:39) (Raleigh) faith without works is dead walt
(08:42:44) (Walt) yes.......necessary, but not "the way" or stepping stones
(08:42:50) (Q) wouldn't this be in line with seeking the kingdom first.. and His righteousness... Walt?
(08:42:52) (WalksInSpirit) But, not all denominations of Christianity believe that one has to be baptized in order to get to Heaven.
(08:43:18) (Walt) they help, but no matter how many good deeds one does, if the other requirements are not met, ya ain't gunna go there
(08:43:24) (ky-mike) true wis
(08:43:37) (Bill) i thinbk there's a good possibility we've been bathed in the Holy Spirit and just fail to eccept it
(08:43:40) (friend_to_mankind) All who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved
(08:43:45) (One) It is true, no one enters into His Kingdom who is not leaning on the arm of someone they have helped.
(08:43:58) (Raleigh) faith without works / explain that 1 walt
(08:43:58) (Q) you are correct Walks.. the example would be the two criminals that were on the cross with Jesus.
(08:43:59) (gilly) walt you should not be so judgementle and closed minded
(08:44:00) (Lory) That is what theologians believe, but I am not sure theologians are always correct....:-)
(08:44:30) (Walt) Well, the devil knows there is a god, and he does what he thinks are good deeds, but he will not make it
(08:45:10) (One) Of course no one enters into His Kingdom save through His Will.
(08:45:10) (Bill) It is hard to know the original cause or the final result of a decision influencing another. We may not know what trial or tribulation may have caused a brother to err. If we know, it is because we have ourselves experienced some similar tribulation.
(08:45:17) (WalksInSpirit) Right, Qrious. Jesus didn't say to the theif, "This day you shall be with me in Paradise... right after we get down from here and baptize you!" He said "This day you shall be with me in paradise."
(08:45:25) (Raleigh) yes however we must follow his example yes / so this is works ok
(08:45:33) (Raleigh) fact
(08:45:53) (Q) yeppers WIS.
(08:46:52) (Bill) well this evening we are just covering one of the steps to heaven not the leap in one bound and vitue and understanding is one of those steps
(08:46:56) (Raleigh) well its true / faith without works ya know
(08:47:01) (Bill) It is then that our standards are measured by Him who abides within our holy temple, and they fit perfectly with the Ideal within our less fortunate brother. We have no cause to find fault or condemn.
(08:47:09) (Raleigh) got him mad
(08:48:17) (Bill) every ones intitled their opinion but we must judge by its fruits
(08:48:20) (Q) I don't believe so Ral.. I think that these thoughts are just alien to him.. if he would test them to let them stand on there own.. who knows?
(08:48:22) (Bill) Virtue and understanding are the requisites for spiritual work. What we do not possess we cannot give. What we do not live we cannot teach others to live. Unless we are pure, how can we expect others to be pure? Our very words and acts condemn us. We must be and know before we can direct, or before we can rightly guide others who are seeking the safe harbor.
(08:48:39) (Raleigh) ok q ty
(08:49:40) (Raleigh) ok bill / got it that was my question ty
(08:49:46) (Roz) probably just semantics
(08:49:59) (BlackWolf) Living an ethical life = virtue, cleans the auric field and smoothens the connection with our subconscious and higher self.
(08:50:28) (Bill) that last statement puts pressure on me and a feeling of lack of worthyness even though i'm only copying this material from a Cayce book
(08:50:33) (Q) The Christ - consciousness is a univesal consciousness of the Father Spirit.. the Jesus consciousness is that which man builds in his body as worship.
(08:50:48) (Raleigh) your fine bill
(08:52:02) (Bill) There is a desire in each of us to live better day by day. We wish to reach a certain goal. If we are choosing the highest, the best, we will not be satisfied with anything less. It is well for us to remember that the highest goal is not reached at a single bound, but step by step ~~ here a little, there a little.
(08:52:04) (One) Those who are so unselfish as toi allow the Spirit to Operate in their stead are aware of the Spirits Activities; yet those who just touch upon It may not wholy make It their own.
(08:52:28) (Q) I think your doing just fine Bill.. don't be so hard on yourself.. people only take what they are willing to swallow.. or are prepared to recieved.
(08:52:49) (Bill) ty Q
(08:52:57) (ky-mike) an open mind .... is a good thing
(08:53:07) (Raleigh) yes mike
(08:53:46) (patricia) a mind is like a parachute, it only works when it is open
(08:53:57) (Raleigh) lol
(08:53:59) (Raleigh) k
(08:54:00) (ky-mike) neat pat
(08:54:00) (merri) like that pat
(08:54:04) (One) Open to Him, not just open.
(08:54:07) (BlackWolf) Nice observation patricia. :o)
(08:54:09) (Roz) sometime s the mind is so open everything falls out
(08:54:18) (Bill) reaching a goal in a single bound is what most desire patience is out of the question whjich puts a person in a position to tend to give up rather than seek with patience and love
(08:54:18) (patricia) lol Roz
(08:54:31) (One) A mind just open not protected by the Spirit of Christ is in jeopardy.
(08:54:39) (Raleigh) hey princess / im going to use that ok / what do i owe you / lol
(08:55:23) (Bill) yes One its intensions must be of the highest good and protected with the love of the Spirit
(08:55:26) (Q) Just think.. everything in all of these teachings will be under scrutiny by anyone finding it in direct conflict with their established beliefs.. and thats o.k.. it is when one suspends his views temporarally will they will at least give an ear to anothers point of view... your alright by me Bill.
(08:55:31) (friend_to_mankind) II Timothy 3:12 Yea ,and all that will live godly in Christ Jesusshall suffer persecution.
(08:55:50) (Raleigh) lol
(08:56:03) (Raleigh) im still laughin at roz lol
(08:56:14) (ky-mike) well i gota get up early..., blessings roomie
(08:56:18) (Raleigh) oh roz funny
(08:56:20) (Bill) . It is encouraging to know that no good deed is lost, not even a good intention; but all are built within our very souls and will bear fruits, some thirty, some fifty and some a hundredfold. It is by deeds, righteous deeds, that we rise. “We climb to heaven leaning on the arm of a brother whom we have helped.” (281-4.)
(08:56:41) (Roz) at least someone has a established belief
(08:56:48) (Q) and just leave the increase to God.. then all will be well.
(08:57:29) (Q) that was a blanket statement Roz.. for lack of a better word.
(08:58:32) (Raleigh) so bill hmmmm
(08:58:36) (Bill) what we build with our intesions and actions becomes our future and by doing so and things start coming together for us we get incouragement
(08:59:16) (Raleigh) ok then so if i am expecting those about me to be perfectthen
(08:59:19) (Raleigh) do i?
(08:59:25) (Bill) The way to virtue and understanding is through prayer and meditation. The approach to all understanding must come from a proper concept of our needs in the physical, the mental, and the spiritual phases of our lives. This is the approach of the Master Jesus.
(09:00:02) (merri) how does virtue and understanding come thru prayer
(09:00:06) (Q) the Cayce reading said that perfection is our goal Ral.. as it is written.. be ye perfect.. as thy father in heaven is perfect.
(09:00:18) (Raleigh) yes ok
(09:00:22) (Bill) not that there are not many examples over time for us to learn from
(09:00:23) (One) And application Bill.
(09:00:24) (Raleigh) grace yes
(09:00:34) (Raleigh) application ok
(09:00:36) (Bill) yes One
(09:01:00) (One) Applying what you Receive bin meditation in your lives.
(09:01:11) (Bill) in the asking merri - then in the listening during meditation
(09:01:22) (Raleigh) k
(09:01:24) (Roz) we learn from each other virtue andunderstanding
(09:01:32) (merri) is prayer always asking?
(09:01:39) (Bill) yes Roz
(09:01:41) (Q) knowledge is said to assist virtue.. and understanding is the reward for having virtue.. so maybe a little info would be of some help.
(09:01:46) (One) True Understanding lies ever in Him.
(09:01:57) (Bill) for me merri it is giving thanks
(09:02:03) (ernie) yes roz
(09:02:04) (Raleigh) hmmm / i demand in prayer lol
(09:02:07) (One) It comes through prayer, meditation, and application.
(09:02:21) (merri) yes Bill wondered it that came into the picture
(09:02:24) (Raleigh) like jacob raslez god / :)
(09:02:35) (Moira) solomon's requests come to mind
(09:02:41) (Roz) you have to listen Raleigh, not demand
(09:02:47) (Raleigh) k
(09:02:59) (Raleigh) meditation i listen yes ok
(09:03:25) (Raleigh) in prayer i speak to my dad upstairs
(09:03:25) (Bill) apply the true as you know and believe it to be and the way will be given
(09:03:42) (Raleigh) ask for the keys to the car / :)
(09:03:42) (One) As Cayce gave, Repentance then is, "Not my will O God, but Your Will be done, in me through me."
(09:03:43) (Q) Virtue is said to be the seasoning of Faith.. the essence of Hope.
(09:04:01) (friend_to_mankind) II Timothy All Scripyure is givenby inspiration of Godm, and is profitable for doctrine ,for reproof,for correction,for instruction in righteousness .Thjat the man of God may be perfect ,thouroughly furnished unto all good works
(09:04:11) (One) Offering yourself to Him as dis the Master is virtuous
(09:04:17) (Bill) Others may point the way, but have they the virtue and understanding of Him who said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life?” (John 14.6.) He proclaimed no way except the one He, Himself, had trod. He so lived the way that He could say, “Follow me.” (Luke 11.9) The way is open to all.
(09:04:21) (BlackWolf) In prayer and in meditation, it is best to be a mountain lake awaiting the rains. :o)
(09:04:33) (Raleigh) huh
(09:04:41) (Raleigh) what b/w?
(09:05:26) (Bill) good one BW
(09:05:28) (Raleigh) oh ok
(09:05:38) (Raleigh) i see it now yes b/w ty
(09:05:38) (Bill) We are moving along the path when we begin to see ourselves as others see us, when no unkind thought of our brother is allowed to lodge in our hearts, and when we seek earnestly to be pure in heart, pure in mind, pure in body and pure in soul.
(09:05:51) (virtual_girl) beautiful Nickwhy! :o)
(09:06:16) (Raleigh) oh nickers / you impress all here huh / :)
(09:06:30) (Bill) when no unkind word enters our heart now there's a habit we all could use some practice with :o)
(09:06:43) (patricia) Amen to that Bill
(09:07:02) (Roz) you too Bill?
(09:07:09) (Bill) and i'm probably at the top of the list
(09:07:10) (Raleigh) hmmm
(09:07:13) (Q) well.. the readings did have a lesson on that one.. to see within each.. that we would worship in our God.
(09:07:15) (Raleigh) yeh bill
(09:07:17) (Raleigh) you?
(09:07:32) (One) Cayce said the lesson for the first sixs months should be One....One, One, One! Oneness of God; Oneness of Purpose; Oneness of Time; Oneness in every effort; Oneness! Oneness! Oneness! Cayce 900-429
(09:07:43) (BlackWolf) So true, Bill
(09:07:49) (Moira) cute One
(09:08:11) (Raleigh) oh yes one / gee ive not recalled that 1 for years ty
(09:08:16) (Q) in that light.. it would help to see the things that would bring us together and not keep us separate.. in thought or deed.
(09:08:38) (Bill) yes Q
(09:08:39) (Bill) The way is straight and narrow, so narrow that we must have no will but the Father’s, that we must have no purpose but to do His work, and that we must have no aim but to reach the Christ Consciousness. This leads to virtue and understanding. “Seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.! (Luke 11.9.)
(09:08:43) (Raleigh) gee ty one / :)
(09:08:49) (friend_to_mankind) See only the pure ,the good ! For until you are able to see within the life and activities of those you have come to hate the most ,something you worship in the Creator ,you haven't begun to think straight
(09:09:01) (friend_to_mankind) cayce 1776-1
(09:09:11) (Raleigh) hey one
(09:09:15) (Raleigh) hey
(09:09:20) (Bill) yes Friend
(09:09:44) (Bill) look for the God in all who's path we cross
(09:09:46) (Raleigh) did you know tjhhat is person 900 that is the shinx face / yup
(09:10:07) (Q) Then we should consider.. what should we be doing .. about the things.. that Jesus gave us charge over.. as good stewards... that might make us behave.
(09:10:48) (friend_to_mankind) Do ever in self that thou knowest to be right, though it may make of self an outcast to your neighbor cayce 373-2
(09:10:51) (Q) In a manner.. of Oneness to our fellow man?
(09:11:11) (Bill) Q we are stewards of the earth and all within just that the responsibility tends to slip our minds occasi0onally :o)
(09:11:11) (Raleigh) cant be made to q / free will deal here q
(09:11:30) (BlackWolf) That is an interesting quote, friend-to-mankind
(09:12:33) (Bill) yes F_T_M go srate ahead shamlessly
(09:12:34) (Raleigh) rats i missed bill / lol
(09:12:47) (friend_to_mankind) that's where the persecution comes in
(09:13:03) (Q) We.. have been given a charge Ral.. to feed the sheep and tend the lambs.. its in what manner or frame of thought that should be considered.. if done with consternation.. the we shall reap what has sown.. if in the glory of God.. than God shall be glorified in all that we do.
(09:13:19) (One) Be blameless before Him.
(09:13:55) (Q) free will is a given.. but consider this.. he who would take hold of the plow and looks back... is not worthy.
(09:14:11) (friend_to_mankind) Will you conform to what the standard Quo is or dare to change the world you live in and be willing to suffer for it
(09:14:15) (Bill) live your truth to the fullest shamelessly and consistantly as to be a living example
(09:15:39) (Q) That would be answered FTM.. as .. In proportion of the faith that one has in God.. and the increase of faith asked for if in need of it for the task at hand.. if found worthy.
(09:15:53) (friend_to_mankind) Once the shoulder has been set to the plow and looking back then no longer fit for the Kingdom
(09:15:54) (virtual_girl) what is an example of "consistently"
(09:16:18) (Raleigh) yes ftm / a lesson i am leaning that 1
(09:16:44) (Bill) daily not just when the tide is flowing your way Kim
(09:16:44) (Q) It would be the Impelling Force of the Universal Consciousness.. focussed upon one with the gumption to make a stand for God.
(09:16:57) (virtual_girl) i c thanks
(09:17:35) (Q) They worship me with there lips.. but there ways are far from me... laymans terms.
(09:17:40) (friend_to_mankind) Onward Christian soldiers marching as to war with the cross of Jesus going on before
(09:17:55) (BlackWolf) The inconceivable idea of remaining standing while around you hurricane force winds swirl.
(09:18:01) (Raleigh) yes roz
(09:18:26) (Wanda) I thiink you have to be careful that Rightousness does not become self-rightousness
(09:18:34) (friend_to_mankind) Heaven is obtained through many trials and tribulations
(09:18:34) (One) Willingness to be used by Him. Willingness to loose that which keeps one in perpetual separation from His Will, His Light, because it cannot exist There so it will no go quietly into the Light.
(09:18:48) (Roz) and Light is not saying ,not heavy
(09:18:49) (Raleigh) hmmm yes wanda however---
(09:19:06) (Q) Amen to that Wanda.. cause in that the sin Pride.. lies in wait.
(09:19:38) (Raleigh) others will not think higher of you than you do of yourself / yet dont think to highly of yourself ok wanda
(09:19:53) (Raleigh) :)
(09:19:59) (Wanda) I won't Ral
(09:20:07) (Raleigh) yes
(09:20:13) (Q) Ral.. you probably missread Wandas statement.
(09:20:20) (Raleigh) hmm
(09:20:21) (Raleigh) k
(09:20:23) (Raleigh) ty q
(09:20:32) (Q) It was just a statement . .. and only that.
(09:21:15) (merri) Well now that we have all talked the talk are you willing to do the walk?
(09:21:33) (One) It is enough to try....it is not enough to not try.
(09:23:14) (BlackWolf) Let us avoid doing to another that which we think is our just judgement on that person.
(09:23:23) (One) Yes.
(09:23:33) (Roz) indeed Bw
(09:23:38) (One) That happens allot....evern in here.
(09:23:51) (One) Such as name calling.
(09:23:52) (Raleigh) that ec said that only 1 in a million are sincere ok / so merri i pray i be omong them ok / i am
(09:23:54) (BlackWolf) In this way we avoid mixing our own problems into another's path.
(09:24:18) (One) Judging another to be worthy of being belittled is wrong.
(09:24:21) (Raleigh) ok merri / true story oki
(09:24:25) (Q) how about calling it a misperception until notified BW.. lol.
(09:26:03) (One) Speading malicious gossip is wrong.....this too happens in here.
(09:26:17) (Wanda) I like the way you put that Nick. Mixing our own problems into another's path. Sometimes we don't even see it as such
(09:26:35) (One) Why say one thing and do another.
(09:26:36) (Q) I like it when someone points out my lack.. of whatever I did.. sometimes I can be stupid.. or my timing sucks.. and I want to know.. So whisper it to me if you feel so inclined.
(09:26:45) (One) Be true to yourself and to God.
(09:27:01) (Q) Not all at once mind you.. lol.
(09:27:02) (One) Quit being a hypocrite
(09:27:11) (One) Do what's right.
(09:27:36) (One) Be an example for others to follow leading them ever higher towards Him.
(09:27:55) (One) Don't take others down withgyou because you are bitter.
(09:28:34) (Q) who's bitter One.?
(09:28:59) (Q) Or.. is that just a statement?
(09:29:15) (One) Both.
(09:29:38) (Q) I see it as .. we may not all get along.. but we can still all gather around for a common cause. Its fun.
(09:29:38) (BlackWolf) True, yet, to think that others are "whatever reprehensible language you think of" and therefore to discard them is losing sight of the universality of oneself.
(09:30:28) (Moira) Ty Bill your posts were meaningful to me tonight
(09:30:35) (One) This place should be kept Holy.
(09:30:56) (Wanda) I see this as a melting pot for peace.
(09:31:02) (merri) this is a meeting place One
(09:31:09) (merri) not a shrine
(09:31:15) (Raleigh) and no q
