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Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 29, 2005 22:15:56 GMT -5
Search For God Study: 08-29-05 Cooperation: Lesson One, Part One (08:32:30) (Bill) well since every one has said the Lord's prayer and are ready quess we'll get started
(08:32:48) (Bill) REALIZATION of COOPERATION ~~ As the realization of a perfect cooperation in Him comes to us, there will come also the knowledge of our oneness with the Creative Force of the Universe. Self-interest will be eliminated. Joy and happiness, found in service, will reign in our hearts.
(08:33:26) (Bill) . Our bodies and our minds will function more perfectly, because the Creative Force, which ever seeks expression in all, has been aroused in us. Understanding will come as quietly as the silent shadows of night, and His everlasting peace will live in our hearts.
(08:33:59) (Bill) There is perhaps no better way to illustrate this realization than to quote a few of the experiences of those who sought light and understanding through cooperation.
(08:34:18) (Bill) “In experiencing cooperation I have been led into a greater field of spiritual understanding and realize that I am a channel through which His will may be done.”
(08:34:40) (Bill) “I experienced in my trials a feeling of cooperation from our study group, in that through their prayers and meditations I realize that nothing but good could come to me. All fear was allayed.
(08:34:48) (Bill) . I knew that justice and mercy would prevail. There came to me a feeling of contentment, a willingness to leave all in His hands, and a realization that all was well.”
(08:35:29) (Bill) “With the cooperation of our study group, I have been better able to understand my own individual purpose in relation to the whole purpose of life. At times, when our cooperation was greatest, I have been able to feel myself being a perfect channel through which God manifested.
(08:35:38) (Bill) . During the nights following such attunements, I have had visions and dreams that were testimonies to me of growth and development.”
(08:37:04) (Estrides) .........what were your visions and dreams?
(08:37:07) (Bill) “I have realized that faithful repetition of efforts which make for cooperation brings at times a feeling of unity with all with whom I work, and a nearness of His presence, which shows that His promise ‘Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them’* is sure.” *Matt. 18.20
(08:37:45) (Bill) “In my meditation I have seen our study group come together and form a complete circle, each member of the group being represented by a dot. Each one in the circle seemed to call the others by name and bless them. The circle now turned to a wheel, the dots becoming spokes.
(08:38:09) (Lory) These are quotes from other meditators, Estrides
(08:38:39) (Estrides) .........ah
(08:39:08) (Bill) These are the goals for each of us to reach in our varied experiences: unity of purpose, oneness of mind ~~ in that His will, not ours, nor our personalities, may be manifested in all that we do and teach.
(08:39:51) (Bill) Let us be patient and untiring in seeking this cooperation, for we will be preparing ourselves to go on in the study and understanding of spiritual forces, and will become active channels for these higher forces.
(08:40:10) (Bill) . We will be better husbands, better wives, better neighbors, and better friends. The little world in which we live will be happier for our being a part of it. We will bring more joy and happiness to those about us and will be manifesting God’s love for man.
(08:40:40) (Qrious) reminds me of the angelic beings with the wheel within wheel thing..written in Ezekiel.
(08:40:41) (Bill) The way is being opened for all who will to have a part in the redemption of mankind. We must keep our hearts singing, not in sorrow but in gladness of purpose, for of all those chosen of Him we should be the happiest.
(08:41:02) (Bill) . May our united efforts go through the ages to those yet unborn, regenerating them to that awakening which makes the souls of men safe in the knowledge of Him who made all things, “and without Him was not any thing made that was made.*
(08:41:29) (Bill) John 1.3
(08:41:41) (Bill) “Not my will but Thine, O Lord, be done in me and through me. Let me ever be a channel of blessings, today, now, to those that I contact in every way. Let my going in, my coming out be in accord with that Thou would have me do, and as the call comes, ‘Here am I, send me, use me’ “ (262-1)
(08:42:45) (Bill) and that for this evening is our lesson now i'll post and exersize Roz has given me to give you then we'll discuss
(08:43:09) (Bill) “Thirty spokes meet in the hub. Where the wheel isn‘t is where its useful”
(08:43:29) (Bill) When Mr. Cayce was asked what was the symbol for the first chapter in A Search for God~ “Cooperation,” he told the group it was a wheel, and went on to explain how each person in there presented a
(08:43:46) (Bill) spoke of that wheel. If a spoke was broken or malfunctioning, the wheel could not do its work prop¬er1~ In order for the wheel to perform with maximum benefit for all, it needed to be strong and whole. It needed the participation and positive energy of every member of the group. The Christ light was at the center Or hub of the wheel. As the light of love, harmony, peace, and understanding flowed from the Christ to each member of the group, the wheel began to t
(08:44:18) (Bill) Here is a concrete example of something we can do to foster the spirit of cooperation in our world. Invite each member of the group to try this exercise and report back when you reach the end of the chapter.
(08:44:34) (Bill) Select someone in your family, job, neighborhood, I or study group ~with whom you have been having
(08:44:46) (Bill) Select someone in your family, job, neighborhood, I or study group ~with whom you have been havingdifficulties or who, for any reason, has become a source of irritation to you. For one week, pray each day for a better and reexamine your attitude toward the person under consideration. You will be able to observe definite, positive changes in the other person and yourself. (Repeat th
(08:44:56) (Bill) Let thy prayer be continually:
(08:45:05) (Bill) “NOT MY WILL BUT THINE, 0 LORD, BE DONE IN AND THROUGH ME. LET ME EVER BE A CHANNEL OF BLESSINGS, TODAY, NOW, TO THOSE THAT I CONTACT, IN EVERY WAY LET MY GOING IN, MINE COMING OUT BE IN ACCORD WITH THAT THOU WOULD HAVE ME DO. AND AS THE CALL COMES ‘HERE AM L Send ME use ME!” p262-3)
(08:46:48) (Lory) Would this exercise, praying for my new Beau, be beneficial, Bill? I have been having difficulty wirh him. Almost more than I can handle. lol
(08:47:13) (lily) i like that idea Bill ... I will use that ... thank you
(08:48:29) (Bill) Lory all good things come to pass with effort :o)
(08:48:52) (Bill) okay how do you feel about this state ment ?
(08:48:53) (Estrides) ,,,,,,,,,,I think it is natural in me...........I don't eat locusts either or wear camels hair......this is the carnal world afterall......
(08:48:55) (Bill) As the realization of a perfect cooperation in Him comes to us, there will come also the knowledge of our oneness with the Creative Force of the Universe. Self-interest will be eliminated. Joy and happiness, found in service, will reign in our hearts.
(08:49:02) (Bill) . Our bodies and our minds will function more perfectly, because the Creative Force, which ever seeks expression in all, has been aroused in us. Understanding will come as quietly as the silent shadows of night, and His everlasting peace will live in our hearts.
(08:49:25) (lily) nice
(08:49:52) (patricia) beautiful Bill
(08:49:56) (Bill) any here experienceing this yet :o)?
(08:50:09) (lily) yes
(08:50:15) (Lory) The people who wrote this did a marvelous job. The words are beautiful and extremely meaningful.(08:50:32) (Bill) i've had glimpses but yet to be consistant
(08:50:48) (Raleigh) yes bill / i am surrounded by thos e i can assist
(08:50:51) (Lory) Close and almost., here.
(08:51:50) (Cris) This is a wonderful reminder of how to pray and love those who step on your last nerve
(08:51:58) (virtual_girl) thanks Bill..love and light shine upon you all.
(08:52:00) (lily) yes
(08:52:45) (Bill) this next statement made by a member of the original group is stated one way and i'll give you an example of how i experience a simular instance
(08:52:48) (Bill) “In experiencing cooperation I have been led into a greater field of spiritual understanding and realize that I am a channel through which His will may be done.”
(08:52:49) (Qrious) not so easy to forgive a wrong.. but with practice .. anythings possible huh.
(08:53:00) (Raleigh) yes
(08:54:03) (Bill) when i have a complaint with a store or customer i go face them with a positive attitude and love in my heart Not Superficial) and as a result always have a good experience because they always meet or exceed my expectations
(08:54:40) (Lory) Proper attitude Bill always succeeds.
(08:55:10) (patricia) yes, Bill, that definately works better than meeting them like a raging bull
(08:55:38) (Qrious) I call them out and remind them of their function.. to serve the customers interest.. not the facilities.
(08:55:40) (Bill) an example is 2 wks. ago i knocked a tooth out and when i whent to get a repair the deturist said she would like to make me a new set of teeth ate no charged but i offered her $200 hundred to cover expensises that made both of us happy
(08:56:25) (Qrious) 200,, you got a great deal.
(08:56:53) (Raleigh) very kind of you both bill
(08:56:59) (Bill) yes Q better than 1.500
(08:57:09) (Raleigh) wow
(08:57:10) (Qrious) yep.. have first hand knowledge.
(08:57:19) (Bill) this next guote is a good one for all of us
(08:57:21) (Bill) “I experienced in my trials a feeling of cooperation from our study group, in that through their prayers and meditations I realize that nothing but good could come to me. All fear was allayed. I knew that justice and mercy would prevail. There came to me a feeling of contentment, a willingness to leave all in His hands, and a realization that all was well.”
(08:58:30) (Lory) Your tooth story reminded me when last week I returned to have the caps put on two teeth. Prior to that temporaries were used and I spit gook, paste or whatever for two weeks. I made a joke of it and had everyone laughing before I left. I too felt pretty good about my attitude too.
(08:58:52) (Bill) we've all been comiong here long enough to put this into practice maybe just havn't met it with the necessary faith :o)
(08:59:21) (Lory) Agreed, Bill. I am one of the guilty.
(08:59:42) (Bill) “I have realized that faithful repetition of efforts which make for cooperation brings at times a feeling of unity with all with whom I work, and a nearness of His presence, which shows that His promise ‘Where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them’* is sure.” *Matt. 18.20
(08:59:52) (Raleigh) i am aproaching 100 percent faith as well bill
(09:00:21) (Bill) Ral i'm approaching 100% wishful thinking :o)
(09:00:28) (Raleigh) :)
(09:00:38) (Raleigh) think and your it
(09:00:43) (Cris) I prayed over the situation with my son's house buying this week and he changed his mind about getting one that I felt uneasy about
(09:01:04) (Lory) Great Cris.
(09:01:19) (Bill) that last quote is for BW repetion in faith to get a job :o)
(09:02:43) (Bill) These are the goals for each of us to reach in our varied experiences: unity of purpose, oneness of mind ~~ in that His will, not ours, nor our personalities, may be manifested in all that we do and teach.
(09:03:23) (Bill) keeping our personallities out of the picture is the most likely down fall we'll encounter
(09:03:55) (Qrious) wouldn't ego be a better word.. cause I like me.
(09:04:07) (Roz) look how far this chat has come a few yrs ago we had no hosts no SFG study
(09:04:25) (Bill) Q that would be the context of that particular statement
(09:05:22) (Bill) its our real self we love or should love not the material minded self gratify one :o)
(09:06:01) (Bill) Let us be patient and untiring in seeking this cooperation, for we will be preparing ourselves to go on in the study and understanding of spiritual forces,
(09:06:14) (Bill) Patient. Patiecnet :o)
(09:06:33) (Qrious) i learned that the conscious self.. the one we created through our own experience.. uses logic .. that gets in the way of the Superconscious.. that is our true being... is that the same?
(09:07:10) (BlackWolf) As in keep trying even during those times when nothing happens and it seems to be a dead end.
(09:07:34) (Lory) Amen, BW
(09:07:35) (Bill) Q logic is okay once we're on the path because it is not the materialist logic many aquire in this physical world |
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Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 29, 2005 22:36:27 GMT -5
Cooperation: Lesson One: 08-29-05, Part Two (09:08:01) (Qrious) logic .. as in the mind.. sort of thing?
(09:08:12) (Bill) yes BW because you have faith a know the right job will be thier for you when you finally find it
(09:09:45) (Bill) remember the Universal Laws Q ? when we studied then they told us what to expect and know that it will mnaterialize provide we open the right doors with our highest choices
(09:09:59) (Roz) even better than you can imagine BW
(09:10:31) (Qrious) I was refering to the mind.. that joins the spirit.. and then becomes the consciousness.. when the vessel is no longer in use.
(09:10:34) (BlackWolf) ((((((Roz))))))
(09:11:07) (patricia) Q, superconsciousness
(09:11:25) (Bill) like begets like. we reap what we sow' and many sublaws as well every thing we do sets a law into actrion eg. BW wishs a job so already that has set a law into action and at a given time it will materialize
(09:12:20) (patricia) oops, i think i read that wrong Q. it is the subconscious that takes over when we die and it then becomes the conscious
(09:12:24) (Qrious) in a physical manifestation.. the conscious has a veil.. that causes us to not remember our past experiences.. but when dead.. it is the only true consciounce that existed in the first place.
(09:12:39) (Bill) what our goal is Q is to meld all our consciousnesses into one mind or consciousness so the God self and conscious mind are one
(09:12:44) (Roz) and we see him in the perfect job
(09:13:52) (Qrious) I learned that the subconscious is only used for the autonomic system.. that keeps the vessel alive.. and the true consciousness .. goes about visitin' other places.. like when Cayce was having a dream about Jesus.. on a boat .. and he was giving a reading at the same time.
(09:14:37) (Qrious) the subconscious takes care of the body.. like when in a coma.
(09:15:19) (Bill) the conciousness and autonomis system are not of the same its would be the function of the brain to deal with the systems
(09:15:29) (Qrious) because the mind.. is an undivided aspect of the true being..
(09:15:51) (Bill) your consciousness is what separated you from animals
(09:16:05) (Roz) also heart beat , breathing, and teh lydig is the mind intelligence of the cellular body
(09:16:17) (Qrious) then.. the Cayce essence.. that went about dreaming would be considered the mind... correct?
(09:16:51) (merri) the subconscious, Q
(09:16:56) (Bill) there is but one mind The Mind the one that created us we are a part of that Mind
(09:16:59) (Qrious) and the harmonious triune.. that spoke thru him was the what?
(09:17:48) (Qrious) I believe we are the Superconscious Mind.
(09:17:53) (merri) in dreaming the conscious mind is set aside and the subconscious becomes the conscious
(09:18:15) (Bill) that harmonious triue would be the result of co operation with the One Mind :o)
(09:18:45) (Qrious) that only allowed certain memories to be given to the conscious self.. so as to not confused the new incanation in its path of self- creating itself.
(09:19:43) (Qrious) I believe the subconscious to be the primal instinct of survival merri.
(09:20:01) (Bill) if you are refuring to only certain memorys as a result of reincarnation that is the result of drinking from the fountain of forgetfulness :o)
(09:20:04) (merri) that may be one aspect, Q
(09:20:27) (Bill) or river
(09:20:35) (merri) everything we are talking about here tonight are all aspects of the mind
(09:20:44) (Qrious) well.. there was a bowl mentioned as well as the silver cord.. was there not Bill.
(09:20:47) (BlackWolf) Which keg is that Bill, I'll avoid it. :o)
(09:22:24) (Qrious) I agree merri.. all are aspects of the mind.
(09:23:28) (merri) yes Q and we tend to seperate them and keep them from merging
(09:23:55) (merri) as they should
(09:23:59) (Qrious) the readings did say that it had to be separated for a reason.
(09:24:56) (merri) what was the reason Q?
(09:25:15) (Bill) BTW that ends the lesson in book one on co operation next wk. we'll be carrying on with Know Thy Self
(09:25:26) (merri) I thought the goal, Ideal was to merge into the Oneness
(09:25:33) (Qrious) but in death... it joins the Superconscious .. and I feel that... it is in this.. that we find our true identity.. oh.. the reason.. was for like if you found out you were a murderer and things like that.
(09:26:16) (Qrious) you know.. the Iscariot sort of lot.
(09:26:18) (merri) but that will be shown to you if you are ready for it
(09:27:04) (Bill) Q when we reach the super there will be no need to return until that time only the conswcious and the subconscious become one at death or ones passing
(09:27:40) (Bill) that is the reason dead people are no smater than the living
(09:27:55) (Qrious) the conscious taking the place of the sub.. is what ya mean.?
(09:27:56) (merri) I agree Q about the superconscious, the soul mind
(09:28:21) (Bill) no in passing the subconscious take over for the conscious
(09:28:52) (LoveInfinity) and the 3rd party is for the 2nd party
(09:28:56) (merri) yes and the superconscious becomes the subconscious
(09:29:07) (Bill) the subconscious is the soul mind and holds all the memories of all our lives expereiunces
(09:29:11) (BlackWolf) That echoes the poems of Homer in the Odyssey, when Odysseus visited the underworld and conversed with those gone beyond.
(09:29:39) (merri) don't agree Bill
(09:29:41) (Qrious) that is precisely what I was gettin' at..I don't think the sub.. even has a place in the consciousness.. thats all..
(09:30:24) (patricia) Bill, thought that the superconscious was the soul mind
(09:30:31) (merri) subconscious is the memory of our experiences, superconscious is our soul memory
(09:30:56) (Qrious) it's like this merri... how does the light.. pass thru the patern.. into the physical.. when the light has been dimmed.. like under a bushel.. or sub wise?
(09:31:54) (merri) not sure what you are asking there, Q
(09:32:27) (Qrious) remember.. how that the mind is the builder.. and the spirit sort of thing.?
(09:32:39) (merri) yes
(09:32:49) (Bill) okay merri i'll quote from Cayce here and you may be right :o) The mind is not the brain, which is used by the mi9nd. The Cayce material further notes that the superconsciousn in turn becomes the soul mind or the acrtive consciousness in eternity
(09:33:25) (Qrious) what exactly is the consciousness consisting of.. the identity of a person.. that claims.. I am.. is it not the mind?
(09:33:26) (merri) yes Bill, that was my understanding
(09:33:43) (patricia) okay Bill, that is what merri and i said
(09:33:54) (patricia) superconscious is soul mind
(09:34:26) (Qrious) a God-consciousness is it not.. the Super?
(09:35:19) (merri) yes you could term it as such...superconscious=God consciousness
(09:35:34) (Qrious) yet the spirit is the life.. but without the mind.. no patern can be created.. therefore it is dependent on the mind.
(09:35:50) (Qrious) so the mind is the you.
(09:36:00) (merri) it all goes back to the beginning
(09:36:15) (merri) the beginning of the soul's creation
(09:36:29) (merri) and the memory thereof
(09:36:35) (Bill) the superconscious is the soul mind. It is that mind formed by the will acting upon spirit. the subconscious is that pprtion of the mind formed by the superconscious acting upon spirit. The conscious mind is formed as a result of the subconscious acting upon spirit. as life moves outward in our being we have the oppertunity to act upon it at each level so we may add new aspects to ourselves.
(09:36:57) (Qrious) yes.. the memory of why we must return.. to he whom created us.
(09:37:14) (BlackWolf) My conscious mind is confused. :o)
(09:37:19) (merri) the subconscious is the recording of the soul's journey
(09:37:28) (LoveInfinity) not dependent on the mind but of God's love and light
(09:37:41) (merri) lol BW
(09:37:54) (Qrious) the super acts upon the spirit. the spirit the will and the will to the Mind.
(09:38:35) (merri) the conscious mind is the outward manifestation in the physical
(09:39:00) (merri) to know what level you are at you have only to look and know self
(09:39:24) (Qrious) the sub formed by the super.. then later the conscious.. do you follow me.
(09:39:52) (Bill) unconfuse it BW i don't think any of this info is relavent whats relevent is that we always be true to our beliefs as we see them and make the highest choices we know how at any given time
(09:40:12) (LoveInfinity) amen Bill, The end
(09:40:20) (merri) all part of the plan, Bill
(09:40:22) (Moira) you go Bill
(09:40:33) (ernie) amen bill
(09:40:38) (Qrious) it is a fun wheel of infor to talk about tho aint it.. a sharing of information.. talking about the hub.
(09:40:55) (merri) but with understanding comes a more relevent manifestation
(09:41:15) (Moira) you go merri
(09:41:23) (merri) in the physical
(09:41:48) (Bill) the manifestation will result regardless whether we have any knowledge of these consciousnesses or not is my feeling
(09:42:37) (Qrious) i thought we needed to use a patern Bill.
(09:42:45) (Qrious) to create our Ideal.
(09:42:48) (merri) that is fine for you Bill but not everyone is the same
(09:43:10) (Bill) your right Merri manyh are happy with confusion :o)
(09:43:14) (Qrious) and the Mind is the builder.
(09:43:30) (Moira) my experience is one of the authenticity of feeling
(09:43:39) (patricia) i thought the pattern was the Christ
(09:43:50) (merri) lol only if they let themselves be confused, Bill!
(09:45:11) (merri) We use the pattern if the Way is forgotten
(09:45:19) (Bill) the knowledge of the different consciousnesses puts thing into a perspective for our understanding of the workings of the one Mind so we can see the transition when it occurs as a result of our studies and putting into action our knowledge and makeing higher choices in our lives
(09:45:51) (merri) exactly!
(09:46:28) (Moira) I learned something today that makes me very sad
(09:46:41) (Qrious) I look upon this information as the narrow road Bill.. many are called but few are chosen.. If we.. are the fortunate ones to know this.. wouldn't it behoove us to understand and teach the Way correctly?
(09:46:44) (merri) so sorry Moira
(09:46:55) (Moira) :( ty merri
(09:47:02) (Bill) eg. some are interested on chackras on my list they are rock bottom cause i know by putting the laws into action the chackras will take care of themselves
(09:47:36) (merri) as you once told us Bill, there are many paths
(09:47:51) (Bill) yes merri some thing for every one
(09:48:00) (Moira) and some are at different levels
(09:48:04) (Qrious) any other way was supposedly a robbers way.. wasn't it.
(09:48:08) (BlackWolf) (((((Moira)))) what is making you sad?
(09:48:27) (Moira) I cant believe you asked me that BW
(09:49:07) (Moira) because it is what I have learned of what some can do with their powers
(09:50:21) (merri) we still stumble, Moira
(09:50:29) (merri) or we wouldn't be here
(09:50:35) (Qrious) I guess I'd just best leave well enough alone.. thanx anyway Bill.. and especially you merri.
(09:50:50) (Bill) there is knothing that can over come our will
(09:50:50) (merri) been a pleasure, Q
(09:51:19) (BlackWolf) Do you mean the siddhis as they are known in yoga? The higher perceptions that appear as one advances and which are very hypnotizing?
(09:51:19) (Qrious) all three of us have a different perception.. its facinating.
(09:51:28) (merri) yes
(09:51:37) (merri) keep an open mind
(09:51:48) (Moira) oh yes Bill certain emotional states make ppl vulnerable
(09:51:52) (merri) we can all learn from others perception
(09:52:17) (Moira) like those who have been victimized are especially susceptible
(09:52:50) (Bill) there may be only one road but there are many paths leading to that road
(09:52:58) (BlackWolf) Nervous conditions can spiral downward if not treated and cared for.
(09:53:19) (merri) agree, Bill
(09:53:52) (Qrious) well now... if you put it that way Bill.. of course.
(09:54:21) (Qrious) gotta admit tho.. it was food for thought.
(09:54:40) (Bill) no one perseption has the whole cheese we each only have a piece
(09:56:24) (BlackWolf) What happened that made you aware of this, Moira?
(09:56:56) (Moira) I know of some people who are doing it BW :(
(09:57:12) (BlackWolf) For material gain?
(09:57:18) (Qrious) just couldn't shake the feeling that the path was sort of like the Conscious to Spirt .. breadcrumbs.. leaving a trail.
(09:57:20) (Moira) I read a book that tells how its done
(09:57:33) (Moira) sometimes BW
(09:58:10) (Qrious) just like how dreams are deciphered... there is a formula..
(09:58:41) (sammie) my formula is clarifying cause and effect.
(09:58:47) (sammie) Is there another way?
(09:58:55) (Qrious) Mind.. Body.. and Spirit.. is it.. and how the dream affects these aspects of the person... with the symbols that they use.
(09:58:56) (BlackWolf) One needs to be careful, it is better to have a master teach you. But the integrity and the sense of appreciation of both master and apprentice must be impeccable. Otherwise both run the risk of getting lost in phantasmagoria.
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