Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 16, 2005 0:58:07 GMT -5
Search For God - Book One Study: 08-15-05
"Methods Of Meditation"
(08:32:57) (Bill) We must learn to meditate just as we learn to walk or talk or to develop any physical attribute. We must direct our consciousness through desire, controlled by will.
(08:33:17) (Bill) The following suggestions are offered as an outline that may be used by each individual. We are all capable of choosing the form that is most pleasing, most suitable, and most fitting for us as individuals.
(08:33:42) (Bill) . Our various developments fit us to accept and understand different forms. For some, the simplest approach is the best; for others, a complicated procedure is necessary. There must be a spiritual intent and purpose, a true desire to seek His will, not ours, as we enter in.
(08:34:09) (Bill) God is spiritual force and must be sought through a spiritual ideal, set by Him who perfected the way, and who thus became the Way. Let His principles be the guide in the formation of the ideal, the image, that is raised within
(08:34:23) (Roz) energy rises not by the will but by the ideal held
(08:35:33) (Bill) Cleanse the body with pure water. Sit or lie in an easy position, without binding garments about the body. Breath in through the right nostril three times and exhale through the mouth. Breathe in three times through the left nostril and exhale through the right nostril.
(08:36:23) (Bill) btw i read in Venture inawrd this causes us to us both sides oif the brain . WB Torontal
(08:36:51) (Bill) . Then, either with the aid of low music or incantation which carries the self deeper into a sense of oneness with the creative forces of love, enter into the Holy of Holies. As self feels or experiences the raising of this, see it disseminated through the inner eye (not carnal eye) to that which will bring the greater understanding in meeting every condition in the experience of the body.
(08:37:25) (Bill) . Then, we may listen to the music that is made as each center of the body responds to the new Creative Force that is being disseminated, each through its own channel. We will find that, little by little, meditation will enable us to renew ourselves physically, mentally, and spiritually. See 281-28, A-1.
(08:38:45) (Bill) now we have seven experience i'll post that are something we may experience
(08:38:55) (Bill) 1. In meditation some individuals experience a vibratory sensation which seems to move the body from side to side, or backward and forward. This may become a circular motion with the body, bring a fullness and whirling sensation in the head.
(08:39:11) (Bill) 2. Other individuals feel a coolness upon the head and forehead.
(08:39:21) (Bill) 3. Some sense a pulsation in the lower part of the spine. This may come from nerve impulses flowing through the body from the lower genitive centers to other gland centers which control various activities of the physical body. Let us not force these, but so conduct our minds and the activities of our bodies as to leave ourselves channels for such expressions.
(08:39:47) (Bill) 4. Others experience a vibration running up through the body and ending in a sensation of fullness in the head. When we are able to raise within ourselves vibrations that pass through the whole course of the attributes of physical attunements to the disseminating center, or spiritual eye, then our bodies become magnets that may, if properly used, bring healing to others, with a laying on of hands.
(08:40:13) (Bill) 5. A sensation to the eyes is indicative of a healing vibration. Healing of every sort must come first in self before it can be raised in another.
(08:40:37) (Bill) 6. A voice speaking to an individual is a manifestation of an awakening within self of the abilities to associate, connect, and communicate with those influences from without self. Then, as given of old, if there will be held and magnified within the consciousness of self the desire for that Voice, that Presence, which would aid in bringing the various consciousnesses to self, the experiences will be from the universal influences or from His messenger. Magni
(08:41:07) (Lory) Cut off Bill at Magni..........
(08:41:23) (Bill) that Presence, which would aid in bringing the various consciousnesses to self, the experiences will be from the universal influences or from His messenger. Magnify this in self and for self. Be mindful that it is not clothed in some other power.
(08:41:59) (Bill) 7. Then finally, there is the passing into the presence of that which may materialize in voice, feeling, sight, and a consciousness of oneness with the Whole.7. Then finally, there is the passing into the presence of that which may materialize in voice, feeling, sight, and a consciousness of oneness with the Whole.
(08:42:53) (Bill) VI. Conclusion
(08:43:28) (Bill) has the material we have just gone over bring to mind anything that any of you have experienced??
(08:43:43) (merri) yes
(08:44:08) (Roz) Be mindful that it is not clothed in some other power ",what does that mean?
(08:44:08) (Bill) great
(08:44:27) (Lory) Sensation to the eyes the past several nights, Bill.
(08:44:58) (Cris) A definite connection
(08:45:20) (Lory) The last sentence in #6, Bill.
(08:47:18) (Lory) something other than the Creative Force, such as other spirits maybe?
(08:47:18) (BlackWolf) To me meditation, or what I do which imitates it, is not acompanied by sensations. This is true of group meditation I have been in, nothin happens. I just experience an aware silence.
(08:47:18) (Bill) Roz i think what it means is not to get a puffy head and thing that you've come to that point on your own but to give credit where it is due, but then again i may be out to lunch
(08:48:10) (merri) I notice no mention made of saying an affirmation before starting meditation
(08:48:13) (Cris) I think people feel the awareness in meditation in many different ways
(08:48:28) (Roz) or the prayer of protection
(08:48:32) (lily) of course
(08:48:32) (Cris) they more you meditate the more you fine tune your own connection
(08:48:37) (Lory) That comes with the lessons, I think, merri, does it not?
(08:48:38) (Bill) thats simular to me BW i've only had the odd glimse of these expereinces but then i don't meditate near often enough
(08:48:53) (BlackWolf) Blessings patricia, lily and merlin.
(08:49:17) (BlackWolf) Difficult to meditate when mending a septic tank. :o)
(08:49:51) (lily) meditation is a three dimensional experience ... there is nothing you need do to fine tune your connection ... you are the connection :)
(08:49:51) (ron) especially regarding its mesmerizing frangrance
(08:49:52) (Bill) merri i thing we did that last wk. preparation this wk. were on to methods but your right prayer of protection i should have metioned again
(08:50:17) (Cris) yes but you go deeper over the years
(08:50:43) (Cris) you have more awareness when seeking answers
(08:50:48) (lily) you can go deep in an instant if you choose
(08:52:12) (Seven) It is an amaizing topic, and i have gone thru the book with a study group, many moons ago.
(08:52:50) (Bill) okay now we'll get on with the conclusion then chat about the whole subject some more
(08:52:54) (Bill) If self-development is our aim, then we must begin just where we are. It will do no good idly to wish to be in some other condition or surrounding, for, unless we have mastered our present one, the second state will be worse than the first. The first and last obstacle to overcome is understanding ourselves.
(08:53:57) (Bill) good point for each of us to remember , first understand ourselves :o)
(08:54:03) (Bill) . Until we are fully aware of all that constitutes our existence we have no right to say that this or that is the aim and goal of life. Our capacities and abilities are of the highest creation. Let us not fool ourselves by accepting anything but the fullest expression of consciousness.
(08:54:49) (Bill) Meditation is the safest and surest way to understand ourselves. It is the key to the door which is closed on the real world for most of us. Let us study and know ourselves, It is a command, an entreaty.
(08:54:59) (Bill) . Let us dare to seek, not blindly, but with faith, that we may find “the noble self”. See 281-7, A-11-14. Our approaches and results may differ, but the same understanding, the same point of consciousness, and the same state of awareness are the ultimate goals. Two attitudes are essential:
(08:55:32) (Bill) 1. A strong desire to seek truth.
(08:55:40) (Bill) 2. A constant, consistent effort to move forward.
(08:56:05) (Bill) Let us be continuous and regular in meditation. Broken periods of meditation will accomplish little. Be active in holding the ideal, and be regular in awakening the inner self.
(08:56:15) (Bill) In the end the reward is well worth the effort expended. Most of us waste hours each day when just a few moments spent in daily search within would bring more peace and joy, and more true happiness, than any physical activity.
(08:56:45) (Bill) Then let us first seek the kingdom of heaven. Where is the kingdom of heaven? It is within. What He gave of old is a true today as it was in the beginning. Let us call on Him and know that our bodies are temples of the living God. There He has promised to meet us.
(08:57:06) (Bill) Are we afraid? Are we ashamed? Have we so belittled our opportunities, have we so defamed our own bodies and our own minds that we are ashamed to have our God meet us within our tabernacles? If such is the case, let us set our houses in order.
(08:57:28) (merlin) my time for meditation is usually around 2-3 in the morning.
(08:57:51) (Bill) There are spiritual centers in our bodies which are points of physical contact between the physical organism and the soul. These connections are just as real as the nerve centers and fibers which carry impulses from one of the sense organs to the brain.
(08:58:20) (Bill) There is a bowl that must day be broken, and a cord that must one day be severed from the physical body of each individual. The ultimate goal of each soul’s searching is a greater awareness of God.
(08:58:48) (Bill) . Through meditation we may increase this awareness in daily life and prepare the way for the change called death to bring us another step forward toward the goal.
(08:59:15) (Bill) What is our God? Are we ambitious only as to whether we shall eat tomorrow or as to wherewithal we shall be clothed? We are of little faith and of little hope who allow such to become the paramount issues in our consciousness. Know we not that we are His? We are of His making.
(08:59:56) (Bill) He has willed that we shall not perish, but has left it with us as to whether we become even aware of our relationships with Him. In our houses, our bodies, there are ways for the approach ~~ through the desire to know Him. We put that desire into activity by purging our bodies and our minds of those things that we know, or even conceive of, as being hindrances.
(09:00:43) (Bill) It has been given of old that it was not for those who would descend from heaven to bring us a message, or those who would come from over the seas, but that we would find Him within our own hearts and consciousnesses.
(09:01:17) (Bill) Would we ask God to do for us what we would not do for our brother? If we would, we are selfish and cannot know God, for as we do it unto the least of our brethren, we do it unto our Maker. These are not mere words ~~ they can be experiences, if we seek to know Him.
(09:01:54) (Bill) . He is not past finding out. If we would know Him, we must turn to Him; look, hope, and act in such a way that we expect Him, our God, to meet us face to face. “Be not afraid; it is I,” See Matt.14..27, said He who came to those seeking to know their relationship with their Maker.
(09:02:37) (Bill) Many of us become afraid because of the things that we hear, and we say, “I do not understand, I do not comprehend”. Why? Have we so belittled ourselves, our bodies, our minds, and our consciousnesses that we have seared and made of no effect those opportunities within us to know our maker?
(09:03:04) (Bill) Let us purify our bodies and our minds. Let us consecrate ourselves in prayer. Let there be humbleness in our hearts, for we must humble ourselves if we would know Him, and come with an open, seeking, contrite spirit, desirous of having the way shown to us.
(09:03:44) (Bill) When we are shown the way, let us not turn away, but be true to the vision that is given us. He will speak, for His promise has been “When ye call I will hear and will answer speedily”. See Ps. 102:2. Then when He speaks, let us open our hearts and our minds to the opportunities and glories that are ours.
(09:04:12) (Bill) . We can accept them through attuning our consciousnesses to the Christ Consciousness in meditation. Then we can say and mean it, “Let others do as they may, but as for us, we will worship ~~ yea, we will serve ~~ the living God”. See Joshua 24.15.
(09:04:47) (Bill) Even in those times of greatest trial He is not far from us. He is closer than our right hand. He stands at the door of our hearts. Will we bid Him enter, or will we turn Him away? See 281-41
(09:06:23) (Bill) now we can chat away that is the end of this evenings lesson eccept for your imput :o) and hello to each of you who've come in i've not recieved
(09:06:39) (Seven) thank you Bill
(09:07:09) (kim) thank you Bill, your words are always wise :o)
(09:07:13) (WalksInSpirit) Great info, Bill! Thank you!
(09:07:13) (patricia) thank you Bill,
(09:07:28) (merlin) great material bill, ty
(09:07:31) (ron) very helpful bill
(09:07:41) (Bill) your very welcome this material is some thing i need to go over often to keep it in upper most mind
(09:07:44) (Roz) good job Bill
(09:08:06) (merri) kudo's Bill an excellent review
(09:09:52) (Cris) Bill when you said attuning it is a process in meditation - it really is
(09:11:54) (Bill) yes Cris it is (attuning)
(09:13:14) (Bill) Proper attunement is necessary for true meditation. A perfect attunement may be made with the Ideal, the Infinite, when we make our minds and our wills one with His in word, action, intent, and purpose. Let us pray, “Father, not my will but Thine be done in and through me,” Edgar Cayce Reading 262-1, and mean it.
(09:14:39) (Bill) well if every ones satisfied we can carry on with open chat and if something comes to mind concerning the lesson just speak out :o)
(09:15:27) (ernie) amen bil
(09:15:33) (ernie) l
(09:16:43) (merri) has anyone ever had a bad experience when meditating ?
(09:17:25) (Bill) not i merri and have even forgot my prayer a couple times :o(
(09:17:36) (patricia) i have not merri
(09:18:10) (merri) neither have I but I was wondering if anyone ever had one......
(09:18:14) (Bill) just that some times its more refreshing than others
(09:18:29) (LoveInfinity) I did merri, I feel out of the chair once
(09:18:57) (LoveInfinity) I meditate on the couch now, lol
(09:19:00) (merri) lol, not centered enough!!
(09:19:02) (kim) lol
(09:19:10) (Bill) next time love Put pillows on the floor you'll feel better when you land :o)
(09:19:22) (patricia) lol Love, if anyone could do that, it would be you! lol
(09:19:36) (LoveInfinity) thinking about getting a bean bag now, lol
(09:20:11) (BlackWolf) It could be posible to have a bad experience if meditating in a haunted house.
(09:20:15) (LoveInfinity) doctor always said I had an easy time relaxing
(09:20:19) (merri) good Idea! not so far to fall!
(09:20:30) (ron) then, best not to meditate in bill
(09:20:33) (ron) s house
(09:21:12) (merri) why do you say that, BW?
(09:21:27) (ernie) i think if you really consentrate real hard you coould have a bad one
(09:21:34) (Bill) evidently we are opening ourselves to the forces at will when we med. so if weak it is very posible to have troubling experiences
(09:21:53) (ron) depends on houw you are conducting your life
(09:21:57) (BlackWolf) Something like what WalksinSpirit was saying yesterday about being in a house like that.
(09:21:57) (ernie) yes
(09:21:59) (ernie) ron
(09:22:05) (Bill) thats why it is so criticale to say the parayer or a prayer of protection
(09:22:21) (merri) agree
(09:22:26) (ernie) si\
(09:22:40) (LoveInfinity) U"d be amazed when praying for protection how the Angels go to work
(09:22:43) (Roz) we are opening ourselves to the unseen forces
(09:23:09) (ron) like attracts like
(09:23:20) (BlackWolf) What if you can meditate, yet know not how to protect yourself. Like the prayer of protection does nothing for you. In the wrong place you could be at risk.
(09:23:34) (Bill) yes ron some are more suseptable than others
(09:23:47) (ernie) dont go there
(09:24:05) (ron) that is why, as far as i'm concerned, that the prayer of protection is needed
(09:24:11) (ernie) unless you got to then double protect
(09:24:58) (Roz) what could unseen forces produce?
(09:25:16) (Bill) BW i'm sure that but setting your ideal before hand your putting in place certain forces that will aid in your protection as long as your ideal is of the highest intent
(09:25:16) (ernie) anything you can imagine Roz
(09:25:30) (ron) perhaps, self-awareness of self's weaknesses that are to be dealt with
(09:26:08) (Roz) discarnates?
(09:26:39) (ron) an over sensitivity
(09:26:44) (Roz) open karmic patterns we have not yet dealth with?
(09:26:48) (Bill) those who have spirits lurking about them for one reason or another are much more at risk these would be spirits such people are attracting to themselves
(09:27:03) (BlackWolf) Outside forces could be discarnates.
(09:27:12) (Roz) and attaching themselves to one
(09:27:17) (Bill) yes BW
(09:27:18) (ernie) i gotim good ones thank God
(09:27:18) (merri) surely if one's Ideal is of the highest the Angels will be at work
(09:27:35) (ron) a gradual awareness...one step at a time egarding what is to be dealt with...from my point of view
(09:27:43) (ron) regarding
(09:27:50) (kim) unseen forces are spirits that have chosen not to go to the light - they are sad/lonely - they cause a lot of trouble, this I know
(09:27:53) (Bill) it would certainly be benificial Merri
(09:29:01) (Roz) lookingto attach themselves to ppl to use their energies
(09:29:15) (Bill) i'm sure there are many levels of deprived spirits lurking about that have not chosen to seek light
(09:29:43) (BlackWolf) Not all are parasitic, though, some are just confused and in a panic.
(09:29:59) (Bill) yes BW thats for sure
(09:30:59) (Roz) whether they mean to be parasitic they can be
(09:32:05) (Lory) Evil spirits then can be controlled with the prayer of protection. That is where I left off. Anything else good happen I should know about?
(09:32:47) (Bill) btw i have had personal experience concerning bad or evil spirits and delt with them
(09:33:03) (Bill) not during med. though
(09:33:07) (Lory) How did you deal with them, Bill?
(09:33:18) (Roz) will you tel us about it bill?
(09:34:25) (WalksInSpirit) Please tell us, Bill.
(09:34:39) (Bill) once when entering a hotel room apporox. 40 yrs. ago in a seedy part of Vancouver a presence raised the hair on the back of my neck and a very cold sensation came over me
(09:34:46) (ron) bill, really thanks, i have further insights regarding meditation...just a little thing for myself, i suppose
(09:36:25) (Bill) fortuneatly i had been reading the bible some time earlier and had read that all you had to do was tell them to be gone in the name of Jesus Christ and it worked instantly
(09:36:32) (Roz) how did you deal with it?
(09:37:00) (patricia) they left?
(09:37:22) (Bill) i don't tremember the exsact words but at the time i used then exactly as they were worded in the bible
(09:37:28) (Lory) Do you suppose those spirits we left over from a previous tenant of the room?
(09:37:45) (Lory) were left over?
(09:38:02) (Bill) Lory i would have been a deceased one
(09:38:28) (Lory) Really? Are all spirits deceased?
(09:38:33) (WalksInSpirit) Bill, my Grandmother told me something similar when I was just a little boy. She told me whenever I saw a spirit, ask it what in the name of Jesus does it want? She said, if it is good, it will tell me. If it's bad, it will have to leave at the mention of His name.
(09:38:41) (Bill) in that part of the city there are many murders and not so nice people so anything is possible
(09:39:19) (Bill) never go wrong that way W_E
(09:40:11) (Lory) I guess that is a dumb question. But can some spirits never have incarnated?
(09:40:15) (Bill) i also had another hair raiseing experince but at this moment can't remember the cercumstances just that i had the experience and it was very tramatic
(09:41:07) (Bill) we each at some point are a part of the spirit world Lory
(09:42:00) (Lory) Well, I was thinking that an obe for me or you or any of us could be attacked by a bad spirit and that would mean that we are not deceased, right?
(09:42:29) (Bill) the coices we make along this path are what will determ the next stage of our existance
(09:43:19) (Lory) Could you and I have an obe and meet during meditation?
(09:43:48) (Roz) you do not leave your body when you meditate
(09:43:49) (Lory) Anyone, please answer.
(09:43:53) (Bill) i don't think we are all that vonerable when having an obe but thats only an opinion
(09:44:07) (merri) yes Lory
(09:44:16) (merri) it has been done
(09:44:18) (Lory) Then when do you leave it, Roz?
(09:44:19) (WalksInSpirit) Grandmother, I'm real sensitive to spirits. I see 'em & feel 'em a lot. And I had a bad experience with evil before. But what I do so as to not ever experience that again is I ask for The Creator to block all evil from me. And in 13 or 14 yrs, I have not had another run-in with evil like I had.
(09:44:19) (Roz) you use your body
(09:44:24) (patricia) it is not only possible Lori, i happened with EC and a friend of his Elsie Sechrist. they used to meet in meditation every morning at 2am i think
(09:44:28) (Roz) in sleep
(09:45:25) (LoveInfinity) Your right bill we are not, Angels are very close to protect us, and even more so when called
(09:45:28) (patricia) well, at least that is what i read
(09:46:07) (Lory) Thank you Walks. Interesting.
(09:46:35) (WalksInSpirit) Sorta like a "spiritual firewall" ;-)
(09:47:03) (LoveInfinity) Rebuke works, lol
(09:47:13) (Bill) you could have evil spirits in your presants while in some altered states but when you have properly prepared yourself you wouldn't be at risk
(09:47:31) (Lory) But only if you ask for protection, Love?
(09:48:07) (WalksInSpirit) Important thing here.... Ol Scratch can't do anything without our permission. We have to allow him to work. He can't hurt us, unless we allow it. he can't enter our space unless we allow it!
(09:48:30) (Bill) all information recieved may not be of the highest intent that is why it is our resonsiblity to judge it but its fruits as Cayce did
(09:48:31) (Lory) Ah I see, Bill. OK. Have always hesitated to meditate for that reason. Did not understand it.
(09:48:53) (LoveInfinity) Just because your hear Lory dont ever underestimate the light you were before you crossed over we are all powerful lights of God, We can protect ourselves
(09:49:14) (LoveInfinity) and the Angels we stand right beside you
(09:49:41) (Lory) Thank you Love. Have always trusted my guardian angel.
(09:50:34) (Lory) But that was while I am awake, not asleep.
(09:50:36) (Bill) but during meditation when properly attuned that is a different ball game we are then seeking only the highest and entering into God's light
(09:51:03) (Bill) far cry from channeling for seeking
(09:51:26) (ron) and to avoid being sidetracked along the way
(09:52:58) (Roz) indeed Bill
(09:54:08) (Bill) well folks i have to make a few calls to get tomorrow organized its certainly been my pleasure to share with you this evening
(09:54:29) (Bill) Love and Light to each of you
(09:54:32) (WalksInSpirit) Night Blessings Bill! Thanks for a great chat!
(09:54:46) (merri) Blessings Bill
