Post by WalksInSpirit on Oct 16, 2006 17:57:28 GMT -5
RELIGION THROUGH THE ASTROLOGICAL AGES: 10-16-06
ron says: RELIGION THROUGH THE ASTROLOGICAL AGES by David Perkins
JohnB says: tell me some thing on the horse in Chinese astrology
JohnB says: ron
ron says: jb, i'm not into Chinese Astrology....i bet you can get this information from the Internet
ron says: HOW RELIGIONS “FOLLOW” EACH SIGN OF THE ZODIAC
Blu says: I think Qrious is into that John B
ron says: The concept of an 'astrological age' is the result of the Moon causing the earth to "wobble" on its axis (the affects you can observe in real life by watching a toy top that has a constant wobble while it is spinning). This motion causes the positions of the stars to rotate as seen from the earth, and in today's diagram you can see how this wobble affects what we use the north star.
ron says: now, that was an easy understandable explanation of this "wobble" wasn't it?
Blu says: yep, very easy
ron says: Today the earth's north celestial pole points towards Polaris (the present day north star), however in 500 BC it was pointing towards Kochab (which the ancient Greeks used as their north star). In 12,000 years Vega will be our north star and eventually the circle will come to Polaris again. It takes the earth 25,800 years to go through one of these cycles, which is called the processional year, or the great year.
ron says: This movement also causes a BACKWARD rotation of the zodiac signs we use in sidereal astrology, so that approximately every 2,100 years, each star sign takes turn being the constellation the Sun is in front of on the first day of spring.
ron says: now, it is clarified how the astrological ages are determined...for instance, the Piscean age, and the Aquarian age
ron says: Technically, whatever zodiac sign is behind the Sun on the first day of spring is what 'age' we are in. Over the last 2,000 years we were in the age of Pisces since the Sun is in front of the constellation Pisces on the first day of spring. It is now slowly changing, and soon (and for the NEXT 2,000 or so years) the constellation behind the Sun on the first day of spring will be Aquarius.
Blu says: soon as in a few years Ron?
ron says: it is based upon that "wobble" again
ron says: thus giving it a 2000 approx. cycle
ron says: Why do all the newspapers, most astrologers, and books have the first day of spring, March 21, as being "Aries"? This is because they use what is called a "Tropical zodiac", a system that sets up the signs based on the seasons, and plots the planet positions in relation to the earth.
ron says: The type of astrology that uses the actual position of the planets in relation to the stars is called "Sidereal astrology". The Sidereal system, then, is used to determine what "age" we are in, since the Tropical zodiac doesn't measure, or work with, any of the heavenly bodies OUTSIDE our own solar system.
ron says: sorry, i did not clarify that important point....the Age is determined thru the use the Sidereal system
Blu says: I got that
Lynn says: ok
ron says: When there is a clear night sky you can go out and see the reason why it is difficult to determine when the Aquarian age, or when ANY "age" really begins. This is because there is no clear boundaries as to where one constellation ends and another begins (plus in some cases they even overlap!). Officially the age of Aquarius will begin when the sign of Aquarius is the zodiac sign behind the Sun on the first day of spring.
Blu says: That is understandable
Lynn says: When will that be, ron?
ron says: Usually when measuring any great time cycles such as ages, or even the rise and fall of civilizations (such as ancient Egypt or Rome) it is usually difficult to give one specific date as to when they begin and end. There are many valid opinions based on astrological and other occurrences as to when the Aquarian age starts, from as early as 1984, now, to 2001, 2012, 2157, and even as late as 2374.
Blu says: LOL, that explains the song "this is the Age of Aquarius!"
Blu says: Somebody was wishing it in!
ron says: as for the Age of Aquarius...most astrologers use the year 2000 as the symbolic beginning...but, i think in my opinion, it actually begins with the Pole Shift...i have selected 2012, in and around that period of time as the true, possible beginning of the Age of Aquarius...but this is only for me
ron says: ASTROLOGICAL AGES - A BRIEF HISTORY
ron says: During the Age of Leo, around 10,000 BC, indications suggest this period was the height of what is known as Sun worship (which relates to Leo since the Sun rules Leo). While this practice eventually faded in many parts of the world, it did remain prominent in several parts of the world, particularly Latin America, with what later developed as the Mayan, Inca, and Aztec civilizations.
ron says: and, of course, Egypt
Blu says: That is interesting...like it was meant to be that way
ron says: and the building of the Great Pyramid and Sphinx...the Sphinx having a connection with the sign of Leo
ron says: much of religious history is geared to cyclic changes regardless of the little wills a mankind...you either change or get left behind
ron says: and start all over again, whatever that may mean
Blu says: and this is only kindergarten! Sheesh!
ron says: The Age of Cancer, around 8,000 BC, is the time speculated as to the occurrence of the great floods that are described in nearly every major culture (including the Bible). This is also the period when many cultures had religious practices that involved worship of the Moon - the heavenly body that rules Cancer
ron says: In the case of China, the Moon was the primary element used to describe spiritual occurrence and also used to time their metaphysical practice. Even today the Moon is more significant than the Sun in Chinese astrological interpretations, and plays the primary role in their calendar, (the Chinese New Year is calculated on the movement of the Moon, not the Sun).
Blu says: I did not realize that
Blu says: interesting
ron says: Around 6,000 BC begins the Age of Gemini - which also coincides with the period when humans began experimenting with what would become writing, which is an attribute associated with Gemini. This also marks the time when many cultures worshipped twin gods, either in spirits or actual human brothers/sisters.
ron says: Gemini is an Air Sign...air signs deal with things regarding the mind...thus various forms of communications
ron says: In one example, an ancient religion of this period from the Mesopotamia describes the legend of Tiamat, a giant monster that once covered everything in the universe. The god Murduk sliced Tiamat in two with his sword, which half became heaven and the other half lived to become the earth (signifying that heaven and earth were 'twins' of the same being).
Blu says: I see where this is going, we will be able to see what mankind will be doing if we look at the signs and where we are going through them
ron says: THE AGE OF TAURUS (approximately 4220 BC. - 2160 BC.)
ron says: yes
ron says: Taurus is a fixed earth sign, focusing on the material, and these descriptions closely associate with the fundamental changes of this period that brought on an important evolution in the human experience.
ron says: It is during this age that several groups of peoples began to settle (fixed), and grow from the cultivation of the land (earth) through extensive agriculture. Instead of tribal groups wandering around searching for food, the MATERIAL aspect of food was conquered, so it could be in supply all year long.
ron says: This development lead to another aspect of Taurus characteristics: the love of beauty from the Venus influence and therefore the massive production of art. Since these early cultures did not spend all their time collecting food, there was then time to develop art and other pursuits which then enriched their society. We can say that in the age of Taurus was the first true material establishment of civilization.
Blu says: Interesting
ron says: the planet Venus is artistic, music etc
ron says: The best known civilization of this period is of course ancient Egypt, and later the ancient Greek historian Herodotus once wrote of the Egyptians and their earth:
ron says: "They gather in the fruits of the earth with less labor than any other people, for they have not the toil of breaking up the furrow with the plow. When the river comes of its own accord and irrigates their fields, and having irrigated them, subsides. Each man sows his own land, waits for harvest time, and then gathers it in."
ron says: This passage is an interesting observation, since it points out that perhaps one reason why the Egyptians were so successful in their agriculture was simply because it was so easy. If so, this would suggest another attribute often associated with Taurus, the desire for ease (which is sometimes seen as laziness), was important for the development agriculture.
ron says: THE BULL IN RELIGION
ron says: During the age of Taurus, bulls and their worship were prevalent in many cultures, among them the Bull of Minos, and the Minotaur of the Cretan Labyrinth. At certain times of the year, young boys and girls were ceremoniously sacrificed to the Bull god through sport.
ron says: remember Taurus the Bull
Blu says: yes
ron says: During these religious festivals, young people jumped through the horns of the bull, and sometimes even danced on top of them. It is actually from this practice that modern sport of bull fighting evolved.
ron says: The bull was a major figure in the religion of the Chaldeans, and in many of their temples one can still see the winged bulls that were carved and painted on the walls. In the Middle east, many of the nomadic tribes worshipped the "golden calf" as described in the old testament.
ron says: It was also during this time that the Hindus had legend of Krishna - the "Christ" of his era - who was said to have been a herder of cows. It is also during the age to Taurus that the holiness of cows - and of course bulls - in the Hindu faith was formed, which still exists even today.
Blu says: Oh yeah, that is true
ron says: i wonder if the age of Taurus ended, or was to end, with Moses
Blu says: When god forbids the worship of those things it's like He is preparing us for the new age
Blu says: That would be interesting to find out Ron
Blu says: Good point
ron says: when the worship of the golden calf was started up at MT. Sinai
ron says: In the Egyptian religion a living bull was a representative of the god Apis, who resided over the underworld (the domain of Scorpio which is the polar opposite of Taurus). In the same way monks in Tibet have their teacher reincarnated through various lives, the Egyptian priests believed that every so often Apis would come to them occasionally as a bull.
ron says: This was said to have occurred when the bull had the markings of the other three fixed signs of the zodiac: a white triangle on his forehead (Aquarius), the mark of the eagle on his back (Scorpio), and in his mouth, a beetle (the scarab), a creature who was associated with Leo during this time.
Blu says: oh! and now the American Indian is looking at the White buffalo Calf !
ron says: could be, blu
Blu says: Oh yeah
ron says: The pharaoh of Egypt had two elements which symbolized his power, and the one representing religion was closely associated to the influence of Taurus. On his head was the crown which represented his unifying political leadership, (which had been divided earlier into an Upper and Lower Egypt - a leftover from the duality of the previous Age of Gemini).
Blu says: That calf is a symbol of change
ron says: In his hand he held the Ankh - the symbol of life - which represented his leadership in religious affairs. The Ankh closely resembles the symbol for Venus (the planet that rules Taurus), for it is a circle on top of a cross.
Blu says: The call it "Miracle"
ron says: Later we will see that even in later ages, the zodiac symbol of the age also came to represent the religion of the period: with the sacrificial lamb in the age of Aries, and the symbol for the fish (Christianity) in the age of Pisces.
ron says: I've started going thru all the signs, started Aries, do you want me to continue or should skip over to the more current Ages, such as to start with Pisces, Aquarius and Aries (starting now)?
Blu says: yes
Blu says: sorry had to let the cat in
Blu says: I want to see where this is going
ron says: ok
Blu says: if that is easiest
JohnB says: tell me some thing on the horse in Chinese astrology
JohnB says: ron
ron says: jb, i'm not into Chinese Astrology....i bet you can get this information from the Internet
ron says: HOW RELIGIONS “FOLLOW” EACH SIGN OF THE ZODIAC
Blu says: I think Qrious is into that John B
ron says: The concept of an 'astrological age' is the result of the Moon causing the earth to "wobble" on its axis (the affects you can observe in real life by watching a toy top that has a constant wobble while it is spinning). This motion causes the positions of the stars to rotate as seen from the earth, and in today's diagram you can see how this wobble affects what we use the north star.
ron says: now, that was an easy understandable explanation of this "wobble" wasn't it?
Blu says: yep, very easy
ron says: Today the earth's north celestial pole points towards Polaris (the present day north star), however in 500 BC it was pointing towards Kochab (which the ancient Greeks used as their north star). In 12,000 years Vega will be our north star and eventually the circle will come to Polaris again. It takes the earth 25,800 years to go through one of these cycles, which is called the processional year, or the great year.
ron says: This movement also causes a BACKWARD rotation of the zodiac signs we use in sidereal astrology, so that approximately every 2,100 years, each star sign takes turn being the constellation the Sun is in front of on the first day of spring.
ron says: now, it is clarified how the astrological ages are determined...for instance, the Piscean age, and the Aquarian age
ron says: Technically, whatever zodiac sign is behind the Sun on the first day of spring is what 'age' we are in. Over the last 2,000 years we were in the age of Pisces since the Sun is in front of the constellation Pisces on the first day of spring. It is now slowly changing, and soon (and for the NEXT 2,000 or so years) the constellation behind the Sun on the first day of spring will be Aquarius.
Blu says: soon as in a few years Ron?
ron says: it is based upon that "wobble" again
ron says: thus giving it a 2000 approx. cycle
ron says: Why do all the newspapers, most astrologers, and books have the first day of spring, March 21, as being "Aries"? This is because they use what is called a "Tropical zodiac", a system that sets up the signs based on the seasons, and plots the planet positions in relation to the earth.
ron says: The type of astrology that uses the actual position of the planets in relation to the stars is called "Sidereal astrology". The Sidereal system, then, is used to determine what "age" we are in, since the Tropical zodiac doesn't measure, or work with, any of the heavenly bodies OUTSIDE our own solar system.
ron says: sorry, i did not clarify that important point....the Age is determined thru the use the Sidereal system
Blu says: I got that
Lynn says: ok
ron says: When there is a clear night sky you can go out and see the reason why it is difficult to determine when the Aquarian age, or when ANY "age" really begins. This is because there is no clear boundaries as to where one constellation ends and another begins (plus in some cases they even overlap!). Officially the age of Aquarius will begin when the sign of Aquarius is the zodiac sign behind the Sun on the first day of spring.
Blu says: That is understandable
Lynn says: When will that be, ron?
ron says: Usually when measuring any great time cycles such as ages, or even the rise and fall of civilizations (such as ancient Egypt or Rome) it is usually difficult to give one specific date as to when they begin and end. There are many valid opinions based on astrological and other occurrences as to when the Aquarian age starts, from as early as 1984, now, to 2001, 2012, 2157, and even as late as 2374.
Blu says: LOL, that explains the song "this is the Age of Aquarius!"
Blu says: Somebody was wishing it in!
ron says: as for the Age of Aquarius...most astrologers use the year 2000 as the symbolic beginning...but, i think in my opinion, it actually begins with the Pole Shift...i have selected 2012, in and around that period of time as the true, possible beginning of the Age of Aquarius...but this is only for me
ron says: ASTROLOGICAL AGES - A BRIEF HISTORY
ron says: During the Age of Leo, around 10,000 BC, indications suggest this period was the height of what is known as Sun worship (which relates to Leo since the Sun rules Leo). While this practice eventually faded in many parts of the world, it did remain prominent in several parts of the world, particularly Latin America, with what later developed as the Mayan, Inca, and Aztec civilizations.
ron says: and, of course, Egypt
Blu says: That is interesting...like it was meant to be that way
ron says: and the building of the Great Pyramid and Sphinx...the Sphinx having a connection with the sign of Leo
ron says: much of religious history is geared to cyclic changes regardless of the little wills a mankind...you either change or get left behind
ron says: and start all over again, whatever that may mean
Blu says: and this is only kindergarten! Sheesh!
ron says: The Age of Cancer, around 8,000 BC, is the time speculated as to the occurrence of the great floods that are described in nearly every major culture (including the Bible). This is also the period when many cultures had religious practices that involved worship of the Moon - the heavenly body that rules Cancer
ron says: In the case of China, the Moon was the primary element used to describe spiritual occurrence and also used to time their metaphysical practice. Even today the Moon is more significant than the Sun in Chinese astrological interpretations, and plays the primary role in their calendar, (the Chinese New Year is calculated on the movement of the Moon, not the Sun).
Blu says: I did not realize that
Blu says: interesting
ron says: Around 6,000 BC begins the Age of Gemini - which also coincides with the period when humans began experimenting with what would become writing, which is an attribute associated with Gemini. This also marks the time when many cultures worshipped twin gods, either in spirits or actual human brothers/sisters.
ron says: Gemini is an Air Sign...air signs deal with things regarding the mind...thus various forms of communications
ron says: In one example, an ancient religion of this period from the Mesopotamia describes the legend of Tiamat, a giant monster that once covered everything in the universe. The god Murduk sliced Tiamat in two with his sword, which half became heaven and the other half lived to become the earth (signifying that heaven and earth were 'twins' of the same being).
Blu says: I see where this is going, we will be able to see what mankind will be doing if we look at the signs and where we are going through them
ron says: THE AGE OF TAURUS (approximately 4220 BC. - 2160 BC.)
ron says: yes
ron says: Taurus is a fixed earth sign, focusing on the material, and these descriptions closely associate with the fundamental changes of this period that brought on an important evolution in the human experience.
ron says: It is during this age that several groups of peoples began to settle (fixed), and grow from the cultivation of the land (earth) through extensive agriculture. Instead of tribal groups wandering around searching for food, the MATERIAL aspect of food was conquered, so it could be in supply all year long.
ron says: This development lead to another aspect of Taurus characteristics: the love of beauty from the Venus influence and therefore the massive production of art. Since these early cultures did not spend all their time collecting food, there was then time to develop art and other pursuits which then enriched their society. We can say that in the age of Taurus was the first true material establishment of civilization.
Blu says: Interesting
ron says: the planet Venus is artistic, music etc
ron says: The best known civilization of this period is of course ancient Egypt, and later the ancient Greek historian Herodotus once wrote of the Egyptians and their earth:
ron says: "They gather in the fruits of the earth with less labor than any other people, for they have not the toil of breaking up the furrow with the plow. When the river comes of its own accord and irrigates their fields, and having irrigated them, subsides. Each man sows his own land, waits for harvest time, and then gathers it in."
ron says: This passage is an interesting observation, since it points out that perhaps one reason why the Egyptians were so successful in their agriculture was simply because it was so easy. If so, this would suggest another attribute often associated with Taurus, the desire for ease (which is sometimes seen as laziness), was important for the development agriculture.
ron says: THE BULL IN RELIGION
ron says: During the age of Taurus, bulls and their worship were prevalent in many cultures, among them the Bull of Minos, and the Minotaur of the Cretan Labyrinth. At certain times of the year, young boys and girls were ceremoniously sacrificed to the Bull god through sport.
ron says: remember Taurus the Bull
Blu says: yes
ron says: During these religious festivals, young people jumped through the horns of the bull, and sometimes even danced on top of them. It is actually from this practice that modern sport of bull fighting evolved.
ron says: The bull was a major figure in the religion of the Chaldeans, and in many of their temples one can still see the winged bulls that were carved and painted on the walls. In the Middle east, many of the nomadic tribes worshipped the "golden calf" as described in the old testament.
ron says: It was also during this time that the Hindus had legend of Krishna - the "Christ" of his era - who was said to have been a herder of cows. It is also during the age to Taurus that the holiness of cows - and of course bulls - in the Hindu faith was formed, which still exists even today.
Blu says: Oh yeah, that is true
ron says: i wonder if the age of Taurus ended, or was to end, with Moses
Blu says: When god forbids the worship of those things it's like He is preparing us for the new age
Blu says: That would be interesting to find out Ron
Blu says: Good point
ron says: when the worship of the golden calf was started up at MT. Sinai
ron says: In the Egyptian religion a living bull was a representative of the god Apis, who resided over the underworld (the domain of Scorpio which is the polar opposite of Taurus). In the same way monks in Tibet have their teacher reincarnated through various lives, the Egyptian priests believed that every so often Apis would come to them occasionally as a bull.
ron says: This was said to have occurred when the bull had the markings of the other three fixed signs of the zodiac: a white triangle on his forehead (Aquarius), the mark of the eagle on his back (Scorpio), and in his mouth, a beetle (the scarab), a creature who was associated with Leo during this time.
Blu says: oh! and now the American Indian is looking at the White buffalo Calf !
ron says: could be, blu
Blu says: Oh yeah
ron says: The pharaoh of Egypt had two elements which symbolized his power, and the one representing religion was closely associated to the influence of Taurus. On his head was the crown which represented his unifying political leadership, (which had been divided earlier into an Upper and Lower Egypt - a leftover from the duality of the previous Age of Gemini).
Blu says: That calf is a symbol of change
ron says: In his hand he held the Ankh - the symbol of life - which represented his leadership in religious affairs. The Ankh closely resembles the symbol for Venus (the planet that rules Taurus), for it is a circle on top of a cross.
Blu says: The call it "Miracle"
ron says: Later we will see that even in later ages, the zodiac symbol of the age also came to represent the religion of the period: with the sacrificial lamb in the age of Aries, and the symbol for the fish (Christianity) in the age of Pisces.
ron says: I've started going thru all the signs, started Aries, do you want me to continue or should skip over to the more current Ages, such as to start with Pisces, Aquarius and Aries (starting now)?
Blu says: yes
Blu says: sorry had to let the cat in
Blu says: I want to see where this is going
ron says: ok
Blu says: if that is easiest
