Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 29, 2006 21:25:48 GMT -5
Astrology Chat: 08-28-06
ron says: AN EDGAR CAYCE READING ON MEDITATION
ron says: In the minds of many there is little or no difference between meditation and prayer. And there are many gathered here who through their studies of various forms have very definite ideas as to meditation and prayer.
ron says: There are others who care not whether there be such a thing as meditation, but depend upon someone else to do their thinking, or are satisfied to allow circumstance to take its course and hope that sometime, somewhere, conditions and circumstances will adjust themselves to such a way that the best that may be will be their lot.
true_eagle_mike says: cayce allways started with a prayer
ron says: Yet, to most of you, there must be something else - some desire, something that has prompted you in one manner or another to seek to be here now, that you may gather something from a word, from an act, that will either give thee hope or make thee better satisfied with thy present lot, or to justify thee in the course ye now pursue.
true_eagle_mike says: yes
ron says: To each of you, then, we would give a word:
ron says: Ye all find yourselves confused at times, respecting from whence ye came and whither ye goeth. Ye find yourselves with bodies, with minds - not all beautiful, not all clean, not all pure in thine own sight or in thy neighbor's. And there are many who care more for the outward appearance than that which prompts the heart in its activity or in its seeking. .
ron says: But, ye ask, what has this to do with Meditation? What IS Meditation?
ron says: IT IS NOT MUSING, NOT DAY DREAMING; BUT AS YE FIND YOUR BODIES MADE UP OF THE PHYSICAL, MENTAL AND SPIRITUAL, IT IS THE ATTUNING OF THE MENTAL BODY AND THE PHYSICAL BODY TO THEIR SPIRITUAL SOURCE.
true_eagle_mike says: a quieting of the mind
ron says: Many say that ye have no consciousness of having a soul - yet the very fact that ye hope, that ye have a desire for better things; the very fact that ye are able to be sorry or glad; indicates an activity of the mind that takes hold upon something that is not temporal in its nature -
ron says: something that passeth not away with the last breath that is drawn, but which takes hold upon the very source of its beginning - the SOUL - that which WAS MADE IN THE IMAGE OF THY MAKER - NOT THY BODY, NO - NOT THY MIND, BUT THY SOUL WAS MADE IN THE IMAGE OF THY CREATOR.
ron says: Then, it is the attuning of thy physical and mental attributes seeking to know the relationship to the Maker. That is true meditation.
true_eagle_mike says: tuneing in
ron says: How do you accomplish same? How would ye as an individual go about learning to meditate?
ron says: For ye must learn to meditate just as ye have learned to walk; to talk; to express any of the physical attributes of thy mind with relation to the facts, the attitudes, the conditions, the environs of thy daily surroundings.
ron says: Then there must be a conscious contact between that which is a part of thy body-physical, thy body-mental, and thy soul-body, or thy super-consciousness. The names indicate that ye have given these metes and bounds, while the soul is boundless - AND IS REPRESENTED BY MANY MEANS OR MEASURES OR MANNERS IN THE EXPRESSIONS IN THE MIND OF EACH OF YOU.
DB says: metes?
Anonymous says: measures
DB says: ty
Anonymous says: yw
ron says: But there are physical contacts which the anatomist finds Not, who would look for imagination of the mind. Yet it is found that within the body there are channels, there are ducts, there are glands, there are activities that perform no-one-knows-what in a living, moving, thinking being. In many individuals such become dormant. Many have become atrophied. Why? NON-USAGE! NON-ACTIVITY!
true_eagle_mike says: took me years
DB says: if you dont use it you lose it?
true_eagle_mike says: yesu do
Anonymous says: hey hey move it or lose it
Lynn says: When I was a child, I learned to relax and ask a question. Then the answer would come. It still works that way for me.
true_eagle_mike says: called the awakeing
DB says: cool im understanding this one
true_eagle_mike says: an med is the sacred silence
ron says: Because the desires of the appetite, self-indulgences and such, have so glossed over or used up the abilities in these directions, that they become only wastes, as it were, in the spiritual life of an individual who has so abused or misused those abilities that have been given him for the greater activity.
Blu says: ouch
ron says: THEN PURIFY THY MIND IF YE WOULD MEDITATE. HOW? DEPENDING ON WHAT IS THY CONCEPT OF PURIFICATION! DOES IT MEAN TO THEE A MIXING UP A LOT OF OTHER THINGS; OR THE SETTING ASIDE OF SELF, A WASHING WITH WATER, A CLEANSING OR PURIFYING BY FIRE, OR WHAT NOT?
Lynn says: Wash me with hyssop and I shall be clean.
ron says: WHATEVER THY CONCEPT IS, BE TRUE TO THINE INNER SELF. LIVE THAT CHOICE YE MAKE - DO IT! NOT MERELY SAY IT, BUT DO IT!
true_eagle_mike says: u said it ron
ron says: Purify thy body. Shut thyself away from the cares of the world. Think on those things ye would do to have thy God meet thee face to face. “Ah,“ ye say, “but many are not able to speak to God!”
Lynn says: many do not listen
ron says: Many, ye say, are fearful. Why? Have ye gone so far astray that ye cannot approach Him who is all-merciful? HE KNOWS THEY DESIRES AND THY NEEDS, AND CAN ONLY SUPPLY ACCORDING TO THE PURPOSES THAT YE WOULD PERFORM WITHIN THINE OWN SELF.
ron says: THY
ron says: HE KNOWS THY DESIRES AND THY NEEDS, AND CAN ONLY SUPPLY ACCORDING TO THE PURPOSES THAT YE WOULD PERFORM WITHIN THINE OWN SELF.
Anonymous says: key word is ALL merciful
Blu says: If you will be my people, I will be Thy God
ron says: Then, purify thy body physically. Sanctify thy body, as the laws were given of old, for tomorrow the Lord would speak with thee - as a father speaketh to his children. Has God changed? Have ye wandered so far away? Know ye not that, as He has given, “IF YE WILL BE MY CHILDREN, I WILL BE THY GOD?“ and “THOUGH YE WANDER FAR AWAY, IF YE WILL BUT CALL, I WILL HEAR?“
Lynn says: Draw nigh unto me and I will draw nigh unto thee Bible
ron says: If any of you say, “Yes, but it was spoken to those of old we have no part in such,” then indeed ye have no part! They that would know God, would know their own souls, would know how to meditate or to talk with God, must believe that He IS - and that He rewards those who seek to know and to do His biddings.
Anonymous says: my mind has just returned to planet earth
Anonymous says: ty for the alignment:)
ron says: That which He gave of old is as new today as it was in the beginning of man's seeking to know His will, if ye will but call on Him WITHIN THINE INNER SELF! KNOW THAT THY BODY IS THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD. THERE HE HAS PROMISED TO MEET THEE!
true_eagle_mike says: cayce said that ... talk to jesus ^i^
ron says: Are ye afraid? Are ye ashamed? Have ye so belittled thy opportunities, have ye so defamed thine own body and thine own mind that ye are ashamed to have thy God meet thee within thine own tabernacle?
ron says: Then, woe be unto thee, unless ye set thy house in order! For as has been indicated, there are physical contacts in thine own body with thine own soul, thine own mind. Does anyone have to demonstrate to you that if you touch a needle, pain will be felt?
Blu says: NO!
ron says: Ye are told that such an awareness is an activity of consciousness which passes along the nervous system to and from the brain. THEN JUST THE SAME THERE ARE THE CONTACTS WITH THAT WHICH IS ETERNAL WITHIN THY PHYSICAL BODY.
ron says: FOR THERE IS THE BOWL THAT MUST ONE DAY BE BROKEN, THE CORD THAT MUST ONE DAY BE SEVERED FROM THINE OWN PHYSICAL BODY - AND TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY IS TO BE PRESENT WITH GOD.
true_eagle_mike says: an i say wooooooooooooooo
ron says: What IS thy God? Are thine ambitions only set in whether ye shall eat tomorrow, or as to wherewithal ye shall be clothed? Ye of little faith, ye of little hope, that allow such to become the paramount issues in thine own consciousness!
ron says: Know ye not that ye are His? For ye are of His making! He hath willed that ye shall not perish, but hath left it WITH THEE as to whether ye ever become aware of thy relationship with Him or not. In thine own house, in thine own body, THERE are the means for the approach -
ron says: through the desire first to know Him; putting that desire into activity by purging the body and mind of those things that ye know, or even conceive of, as being hindrances -
Anonymous says: (this is astrology?)
ron says: NOT WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAYS! IT ISN’T WHAT YOU WANT SOMEONE ELSE TO GIVE!
Blu says: Anon we are taking a break from astrology
Anonymous says: OoOo
true_eagle_mike says: cacy said
ron says: As Moses gave of old, it isn't who will descend from heaven to bring you a message, nor who would come from over the seas, but 10, ye find Him within thine own heart, within thine own consciousness; if ye will but MEDITATE, open thy heart, thy mind!
Anonymous says: ps
true_eagle_mike says: cayce
Blu says: Sorry if the chat title misled you, we have a lot of astroliogy chats posted from the past in the Red Path message board
Anonymous says: I see
Lynn says: We take daily baths, most of us. We also need to shower with spirit as often as we percieve we got a little dirty on that one.
Lynn says: Then we are clean for meditation or whatever
ron says: LET THY BODY AND MIND BE CHANNELS THAT YE MAY DO THE THINGS YE ASK GOD TO DO FOR YOU! THUS YE COME TO KNOW HIM.
Blu says: Prayer for forgiveness is a great cleanser
true_eagle_mike says: yes
Lynn says: yep
ron says: Would ye ask God to do for ye that which ye would not do for your brother? If ye would, ye are selfish and know not God! For as ye do it unto the least of thy brethren, ye do it unto thy Maker. These are not mere words - they are that which ye will EXPERIENCE if ye would know Him at all.
Lynn says: Then God got tired of it and told me those things were not sins. lol
true_eagle_mike says: to walk the path of christ ^i^
ron says: For He is not past finding out; if ye will know Him, tune in to Him. Turn, look, hope, act in such a way that ye EXPECT Him, thy God, to meet thee face to face. “BE NOT AFRAID, IT IS I” saith He who came to those seeking to know their relationship with their Maker. And because He came walking in the night, in the darkness, even upon the waters, they were afraid.
ron says: Yea, many of you become afraid, because of the things that ye hear - for ye say, 'I do not understand - I do not comprehend\' WHY? Have ye so belittled thyself, thy body, thy mind, thy consciousness, that thou hast made of no effect those opportunities within thine own consciousness to know thy Maker?
ron says: Then to all of you:
Blu says: Looks like we have
Anonymous says: yes listen to your own heart over and above what the others say
ron says: Purify thy body, thy mind. Consecrate thyselves in prayer, yes - but not as he who prayed: “I thank Thee I am not like other fellows!” Rather let there be in thy heart that humbleness - for ye MUST humble thyself if ye would know him - and come with an open, seeking, contrite heart, desirous of having the way shown to thee.
ron says: And when thou art shown, turn not thy face the other way; but be true to that vision that is given thee.
Anonymous says: therin lies the truth right/
Blu says: we are in accord
ron says: And He will speak, for His promise has been, “WHEN YE CALL I WILL HEAR, AND WILL ANSWER SPEEDILY.“ Then, when He speaks, open thy heart, thy mind to the glories that are thine.
true_eagle_mike says: right
ron says: Accept them through that attuning, through meditation of thy consciousness, thy desire to know the Living God; and say and live within thyself as He of old gave, “Others may do as they may, but as for me, I will worship - yea, I will serve the living God.”
Anonymous says: Im getting the scent of fresh apples :) lol
Blu says: wow!
true_eagle_mike says: the knowing !
ron says: HE IS NOT FAR FROM THEE! HE IS CLOSER THAN THY RIGHT HAND. HE STANDETH AT THE DOOR OF THY HEART! WILL Y BID HIM ENTER? OR WILL YE TURN AWAY?” (281-41)
ron says: END
ron says: for today
Roz says: super lesson ron
Blu says: Wonderful Ron, I needed to be reminded of these things
true_eagle_mike says: ty ron .. inspiring
Lynn says: wonderful, Ron. Thank you.
ron says: In the minds of many there is little or no difference between meditation and prayer. And there are many gathered here who through their studies of various forms have very definite ideas as to meditation and prayer.
ron says: There are others who care not whether there be such a thing as meditation, but depend upon someone else to do their thinking, or are satisfied to allow circumstance to take its course and hope that sometime, somewhere, conditions and circumstances will adjust themselves to such a way that the best that may be will be their lot.
true_eagle_mike says: cayce allways started with a prayer
ron says: Yet, to most of you, there must be something else - some desire, something that has prompted you in one manner or another to seek to be here now, that you may gather something from a word, from an act, that will either give thee hope or make thee better satisfied with thy present lot, or to justify thee in the course ye now pursue.
true_eagle_mike says: yes
ron says: To each of you, then, we would give a word:
ron says: Ye all find yourselves confused at times, respecting from whence ye came and whither ye goeth. Ye find yourselves with bodies, with minds - not all beautiful, not all clean, not all pure in thine own sight or in thy neighbor's. And there are many who care more for the outward appearance than that which prompts the heart in its activity or in its seeking. .
ron says: But, ye ask, what has this to do with Meditation? What IS Meditation?
ron says: IT IS NOT MUSING, NOT DAY DREAMING; BUT AS YE FIND YOUR BODIES MADE UP OF THE PHYSICAL, MENTAL AND SPIRITUAL, IT IS THE ATTUNING OF THE MENTAL BODY AND THE PHYSICAL BODY TO THEIR SPIRITUAL SOURCE.
true_eagle_mike says: a quieting of the mind
ron says: Many say that ye have no consciousness of having a soul - yet the very fact that ye hope, that ye have a desire for better things; the very fact that ye are able to be sorry or glad; indicates an activity of the mind that takes hold upon something that is not temporal in its nature -
ron says: something that passeth not away with the last breath that is drawn, but which takes hold upon the very source of its beginning - the SOUL - that which WAS MADE IN THE IMAGE OF THY MAKER - NOT THY BODY, NO - NOT THY MIND, BUT THY SOUL WAS MADE IN THE IMAGE OF THY CREATOR.
ron says: Then, it is the attuning of thy physical and mental attributes seeking to know the relationship to the Maker. That is true meditation.
true_eagle_mike says: tuneing in
ron says: How do you accomplish same? How would ye as an individual go about learning to meditate?
ron says: For ye must learn to meditate just as ye have learned to walk; to talk; to express any of the physical attributes of thy mind with relation to the facts, the attitudes, the conditions, the environs of thy daily surroundings.
ron says: Then there must be a conscious contact between that which is a part of thy body-physical, thy body-mental, and thy soul-body, or thy super-consciousness. The names indicate that ye have given these metes and bounds, while the soul is boundless - AND IS REPRESENTED BY MANY MEANS OR MEASURES OR MANNERS IN THE EXPRESSIONS IN THE MIND OF EACH OF YOU.
DB says: metes?
Anonymous says: measures
DB says: ty
Anonymous says: yw
ron says: But there are physical contacts which the anatomist finds Not, who would look for imagination of the mind. Yet it is found that within the body there are channels, there are ducts, there are glands, there are activities that perform no-one-knows-what in a living, moving, thinking being. In many individuals such become dormant. Many have become atrophied. Why? NON-USAGE! NON-ACTIVITY!
true_eagle_mike says: took me years
DB says: if you dont use it you lose it?
true_eagle_mike says: yesu do
Anonymous says: hey hey move it or lose it
Lynn says: When I was a child, I learned to relax and ask a question. Then the answer would come. It still works that way for me.
true_eagle_mike says: called the awakeing
DB says: cool im understanding this one
true_eagle_mike says: an med is the sacred silence
ron says: Because the desires of the appetite, self-indulgences and such, have so glossed over or used up the abilities in these directions, that they become only wastes, as it were, in the spiritual life of an individual who has so abused or misused those abilities that have been given him for the greater activity.
Blu says: ouch
ron says: THEN PURIFY THY MIND IF YE WOULD MEDITATE. HOW? DEPENDING ON WHAT IS THY CONCEPT OF PURIFICATION! DOES IT MEAN TO THEE A MIXING UP A LOT OF OTHER THINGS; OR THE SETTING ASIDE OF SELF, A WASHING WITH WATER, A CLEANSING OR PURIFYING BY FIRE, OR WHAT NOT?
Lynn says: Wash me with hyssop and I shall be clean.
ron says: WHATEVER THY CONCEPT IS, BE TRUE TO THINE INNER SELF. LIVE THAT CHOICE YE MAKE - DO IT! NOT MERELY SAY IT, BUT DO IT!
true_eagle_mike says: u said it ron
ron says: Purify thy body. Shut thyself away from the cares of the world. Think on those things ye would do to have thy God meet thee face to face. “Ah,“ ye say, “but many are not able to speak to God!”
Lynn says: many do not listen
ron says: Many, ye say, are fearful. Why? Have ye gone so far astray that ye cannot approach Him who is all-merciful? HE KNOWS THEY DESIRES AND THY NEEDS, AND CAN ONLY SUPPLY ACCORDING TO THE PURPOSES THAT YE WOULD PERFORM WITHIN THINE OWN SELF.
ron says: THY
ron says: HE KNOWS THY DESIRES AND THY NEEDS, AND CAN ONLY SUPPLY ACCORDING TO THE PURPOSES THAT YE WOULD PERFORM WITHIN THINE OWN SELF.
Anonymous says: key word is ALL merciful
Blu says: If you will be my people, I will be Thy God
ron says: Then, purify thy body physically. Sanctify thy body, as the laws were given of old, for tomorrow the Lord would speak with thee - as a father speaketh to his children. Has God changed? Have ye wandered so far away? Know ye not that, as He has given, “IF YE WILL BE MY CHILDREN, I WILL BE THY GOD?“ and “THOUGH YE WANDER FAR AWAY, IF YE WILL BUT CALL, I WILL HEAR?“
Lynn says: Draw nigh unto me and I will draw nigh unto thee Bible
ron says: If any of you say, “Yes, but it was spoken to those of old we have no part in such,” then indeed ye have no part! They that would know God, would know their own souls, would know how to meditate or to talk with God, must believe that He IS - and that He rewards those who seek to know and to do His biddings.
Anonymous says: my mind has just returned to planet earth
Anonymous says: ty for the alignment:)
ron says: That which He gave of old is as new today as it was in the beginning of man's seeking to know His will, if ye will but call on Him WITHIN THINE INNER SELF! KNOW THAT THY BODY IS THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD. THERE HE HAS PROMISED TO MEET THEE!
true_eagle_mike says: cayce said that ... talk to jesus ^i^
ron says: Are ye afraid? Are ye ashamed? Have ye so belittled thy opportunities, have ye so defamed thine own body and thine own mind that ye are ashamed to have thy God meet thee within thine own tabernacle?
ron says: Then, woe be unto thee, unless ye set thy house in order! For as has been indicated, there are physical contacts in thine own body with thine own soul, thine own mind. Does anyone have to demonstrate to you that if you touch a needle, pain will be felt?
Blu says: NO!
ron says: Ye are told that such an awareness is an activity of consciousness which passes along the nervous system to and from the brain. THEN JUST THE SAME THERE ARE THE CONTACTS WITH THAT WHICH IS ETERNAL WITHIN THY PHYSICAL BODY.
ron says: FOR THERE IS THE BOWL THAT MUST ONE DAY BE BROKEN, THE CORD THAT MUST ONE DAY BE SEVERED FROM THINE OWN PHYSICAL BODY - AND TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY IS TO BE PRESENT WITH GOD.
true_eagle_mike says: an i say wooooooooooooooo
ron says: What IS thy God? Are thine ambitions only set in whether ye shall eat tomorrow, or as to wherewithal ye shall be clothed? Ye of little faith, ye of little hope, that allow such to become the paramount issues in thine own consciousness!
ron says: Know ye not that ye are His? For ye are of His making! He hath willed that ye shall not perish, but hath left it WITH THEE as to whether ye ever become aware of thy relationship with Him or not. In thine own house, in thine own body, THERE are the means for the approach -
ron says: through the desire first to know Him; putting that desire into activity by purging the body and mind of those things that ye know, or even conceive of, as being hindrances -
Anonymous says: (this is astrology?)
ron says: NOT WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAYS! IT ISN’T WHAT YOU WANT SOMEONE ELSE TO GIVE!
Blu says: Anon we are taking a break from astrology
Anonymous says: OoOo
true_eagle_mike says: cacy said
ron says: As Moses gave of old, it isn't who will descend from heaven to bring you a message, nor who would come from over the seas, but 10, ye find Him within thine own heart, within thine own consciousness; if ye will but MEDITATE, open thy heart, thy mind!
Anonymous says: ps
true_eagle_mike says: cayce
Blu says: Sorry if the chat title misled you, we have a lot of astroliogy chats posted from the past in the Red Path message board
Anonymous says: I see
Lynn says: We take daily baths, most of us. We also need to shower with spirit as often as we percieve we got a little dirty on that one.
Lynn says: Then we are clean for meditation or whatever
ron says: LET THY BODY AND MIND BE CHANNELS THAT YE MAY DO THE THINGS YE ASK GOD TO DO FOR YOU! THUS YE COME TO KNOW HIM.
Blu says: Prayer for forgiveness is a great cleanser
true_eagle_mike says: yes
Lynn says: yep
ron says: Would ye ask God to do for ye that which ye would not do for your brother? If ye would, ye are selfish and know not God! For as ye do it unto the least of thy brethren, ye do it unto thy Maker. These are not mere words - they are that which ye will EXPERIENCE if ye would know Him at all.
Lynn says: Then God got tired of it and told me those things were not sins. lol
true_eagle_mike says: to walk the path of christ ^i^
ron says: For He is not past finding out; if ye will know Him, tune in to Him. Turn, look, hope, act in such a way that ye EXPECT Him, thy God, to meet thee face to face. “BE NOT AFRAID, IT IS I” saith He who came to those seeking to know their relationship with their Maker. And because He came walking in the night, in the darkness, even upon the waters, they were afraid.
ron says: Yea, many of you become afraid, because of the things that ye hear - for ye say, 'I do not understand - I do not comprehend\' WHY? Have ye so belittled thyself, thy body, thy mind, thy consciousness, that thou hast made of no effect those opportunities within thine own consciousness to know thy Maker?
ron says: Then to all of you:
Blu says: Looks like we have
Anonymous says: yes listen to your own heart over and above what the others say
ron says: Purify thy body, thy mind. Consecrate thyselves in prayer, yes - but not as he who prayed: “I thank Thee I am not like other fellows!” Rather let there be in thy heart that humbleness - for ye MUST humble thyself if ye would know him - and come with an open, seeking, contrite heart, desirous of having the way shown to thee.
ron says: And when thou art shown, turn not thy face the other way; but be true to that vision that is given thee.
Anonymous says: therin lies the truth right/
Blu says: we are in accord
ron says: And He will speak, for His promise has been, “WHEN YE CALL I WILL HEAR, AND WILL ANSWER SPEEDILY.“ Then, when He speaks, open thy heart, thy mind to the glories that are thine.
true_eagle_mike says: right
ron says: Accept them through that attuning, through meditation of thy consciousness, thy desire to know the Living God; and say and live within thyself as He of old gave, “Others may do as they may, but as for me, I will worship - yea, I will serve the living God.”
Anonymous says: Im getting the scent of fresh apples :) lol
Blu says: wow!
true_eagle_mike says: the knowing !
ron says: HE IS NOT FAR FROM THEE! HE IS CLOSER THAN THY RIGHT HAND. HE STANDETH AT THE DOOR OF THY HEART! WILL Y BID HIM ENTER? OR WILL YE TURN AWAY?” (281-41)
ron says: END
ron says: for today
Roz says: super lesson ron
Blu says: Wonderful Ron, I needed to be reminded of these things
true_eagle_mike says: ty ron .. inspiring
Lynn says: wonderful, Ron. Thank you.
