Post by WalksInSpirit on May 8, 2006 15:58:52 GMT -5
Astrology Chat: 05-08-06
(02:22:33) (ron) SATURN'S ROLE IN SOUL EVOLUTION
(02:23:14) (ron) Besides giving the urge for changes in the earth plane, Saturn's role in the scheme of soul evolution is one of sorrow and change. To put it another way: the need for changes sends the soul or attracts the soul to Saturn after an earth life in which too many of God's laws have been misused:
(02:25:20) (ron) sorrow and change - this is the textbook for Saturn...to experience the difficulties of life...and as far as i'm concerned the other transiting planets (Jupiter, Sturn, Uranus) bring about change...some changes are a lot easier than the way Saturn burns away the past
(02:25:53) (ron) (Q) What is meant by banishment of a soul from its Maker?
(02:26:12) (ron) (A) ...as given in the beginning to choose for self as in the earthly plane, all insufficient matter is cast unto Saturn. To work out his own salvation as would be termed in the word, the entity or individual banishes itself, or its soul, which is the entity... 3744-3
(02:26:51) (ron) In the spheres of many of the planets within the same solar system, we find they [the entities] are banished to certain conditions in developing about the spheres from which they pass, and again and again and again return from one to another until they are prepared to meet the everlasting Creator of our entire Universe, of which our system is only a very small part.
(02:26:57) (diane) so the soul and the entity are the same thing?
(02:27:34) (ron) i would say so...entity = a being = a soul
(02:27:54) (ron) an individuality
(02:28:01) (diane) ty
(02:35:36) (ron) Finally, to summarize Saturn's function of remolding or reclamation, the following reading compares Saturn with the Earth:
(02:36:10) (ron) For the earth and Saturn are opposites, as it were...to Saturn go those who would renew or begin again, or who have blotted from their experience much that may be set in motion again through other influences and environs that have been a portion of the entity's experience. 945-1
(02:36:41) (Roz) interesting ron
(02:37:32) (ron) renew or begin again .... to burn out the badness with, for example, long-suffering and finally be free from the sins of the past
(02:37:58) (ron) The sex glands are associated with Saturn, according to the readings.
(02:38:10) (ron) URANUS
(02:38:31) (ron) There is less variation between astrology textbooks and the readings in the meaning of Uranus.
(02:38:42) (Roz) cleansing fire ?
(02:40:02) (ron) the changes the Uranus brings are sudden, quick, unexpected...thus forcing one to use their creativity...the choice is how are you going to sove the problem?...the right way or the wrong way...ingenuity is displayed at those times of change
(02:40:35) (ron) One of the astrology magazines says that Uranus is concerned with occultism, originality, altruism, change, independence; the metal, uranium; the ankles, as part of the body; and ruler of the sign Aquarius.
(02:41:00) (diane) good old Uranus
(02:41:08) (ron) McCaffery says: "Uranus is peculiarly the planet of insight into the laws of nature. This insight seems to come in flashes, which reveal just how and when material things can be made more useful. It is the planet of the inventor, and is original and scientific, almost never emotional...Uranus is the planet of electricity. It is sometimes said to be malefic, for
(02:42:28) (ron) when it strikes, it can cause the whole efforts of a lifetime to tumble down and be destroyed. This is usually because the plan of life has been wrong. The old has to be destroyed before something new can enter...It is sometimes said to be the 'planet of revolutionaries, for it is never content to allow old institutions to continue without change. For this reason Saturn and Uranus are ever in mortal conflict..." (pp. 77-78)
(02:43:26) (ron) The keyword for the meaning of Uranus, in the readings, is EXTREMES, as the reader will have noted from allusions to it in the Saturn section. It is also the planet of occultism, as distinct from psychic; which means "of the soul, spiritual," according to the readings.
(02:43:57) (ron) Textbooks state that Uranus is very likely the higher octave of Mercury, just as Neptune is the higher octave of Venus. The readings state that Uranus, in the human glandular system, refers to the thyroid, the will. Textbooks and the readings are not too far apart in their understanding of Uranus; but as usual the readings seem to add a deeper meaning to the concept of Uranus's role.(02:44:32) (ron) Here are some extracts, culled from dozens, on Uranus's extremism:
(02:44:48) (ron) From Uranian influences we find the extremist. And these tendencies...will develop especially through the early teen age years, when there will be moods and...wonderments...These [Uranian tendencies] make for also the intuitive influences and the abilities for the development in the very psychic forces of the entity. 1206-3
(02:45:21) (ron) In the urges from astrological aspects we find Mercury, Uranus, Venus and Jupiter as the influences through which the entity has received an awareness. One of the high mental ability, yet one very extreme in many ways.
(02:45:44) (ron) Oft...too easily discouraged. Hence...it will require that the entity set a purpose and a goal, and be not deterred from same... 2572-1
(02:45:56) (diane) Amen
(02:46:14) (ron) Those of exceptional abilities with Uranian influence may be well said also to mean exceptional abilities to err, or to be led astray in the direction not best for...self's development. 38-1
(02:46:37) (ron) In Uranus we find the extremes, and the interest in the occult - the mystical. This is well, if it is balanced in the spiritual nature... 2571-1
(02:47:05) (ron) ...in benevolent influences in Mars and Uranus [both in Libra, sign of balance], these bring for the exceptional abilities as respecting intuitive forces for the body, and as for the abilities.. .to quiet those who would show wrath, or any unkindly feelings toward another.
(02:47:32) (ron) Oft will the entity - if trained especially in this formative period - be able to act as oil upon troubled waters, as that inter-between which will make for beauty in the lives of those the entity contacts, making for a bond of sympathy, of union, that will be exceptional...as well as...awakening of abilities within self...that may be the peace-maker,
(02:47:41) (ron) not only among individuals, but in groups, in classes, in states, in masses. [Entity entered from Jupiter, with Venus, Mars, and Uranus also influencing.] 1911-1
(02:48:05) (diane) Abe Lincoln
(02:48:24) (ron) This entity, we find, took its flight, or position, from the planet of Uranus, with Venus and Mercury controlling the destiny in the present earth plane. Hence the necessity of the entity's training, especially, in those elements having to do with purity in love and affection, and of nobleness and goodness...that come with that mode of expressing
(02:48:46) (ron) controlling the destiny in the present earth plane.
(02:48:53) (ron) destiny
(02:49:12) (ron) that earthly urge that has drawn us to the earth time and time again
(02:49:30) (ron) controlling the destiny in the present earth plane.
(02:49:41) (ron) itself...for with the entity under these influences, with the exceptional conditions as come from influences of Uranus, we find that the entity's manifestations in the present plane will be exceptionally good or very bad. 143-1
(02:50:13) (ron) [The entity] is not only a Uranian but an Atlantean, and the combination will be something to deal with! as to temper, as to having its way; for it will have its way, irrespective, for the first fourteen years...
(02:50:36) (ron) As for the aspects in the Uranian influence, we find the extremes. The entity will be at times very beautiful in character - at others very ugly; very beautiful in body and mind - at others the other extreme. For these have an influence, and the entity will be an extremist through the first fourteen years of its experience.
(02:50:59) (diane) challenging kid
(02:51:05) (ron) High mental abilities. One that will make a study of how to have its way...do not break the will...rather give the lesson by precept and example. 1958-1
(02:51:28) (ron) In the Uranian influence...the extremes...For there will be periods, natural to a Uranian, when for a few hours or a few minutes or a few days it will be very, very morose...These will arise... out of nowhere... 2005-1
(02:51:54) (ron) Some readers will get a clue, here at least, as to why they may have sudden and extreme moods which seem to descend from nowhere. Uranus is probably one of the planets under whose influence their entry was made into the earth plane. See the last sentence of the previous reading, and also the following:
(02:52:01) (diane) entity will get the mopes
(02:52:25) (ron) Astrological, then, we find the entity coming under the influence of Mercury, Jupiter, Saturn, Venus and Uranus...
(02:52:41) (ron) In...the Uranian [influences]...periods when there seems to be every condition imaginable awry - whether business relations, social relations, financial conditions - every condition seems awry. Again there are seasons of, most things come too easy. 5-2
(02:53:07) (ron) In Uranus we find the extremes. Thus the entity in spiritual, in mental and in material things finds periods when it is as to the mountaintops and again in the depths of despair. 3706-2
(02:53:27) (ron) The following excerpt indicates that Uranus combined with Mercury accounts for garrulity.
(02:53:46) (ron) Easily might the entity become one that would talk of self too much.
(02:54:02) (ron) While the entity will ever be a good listener, do direct the entity so that there is always the consideration for others.
(02:54:21) (ron) Astrologically - we find Uranus (the extremist, of course, in same), Mercury (the high mental abilities; for at least eight to ten experiences...). 2922-1
(02:54:46) (ron) In a reading on the evolution of the soul, we find that after the soul has gone to Saturn for reclamation, the return can be, or perhaps must be, through Uranus. Here are portions of the reading:
(02:55:15) (ron) must be, through Uranus
(02:55:24) (ron) i wonder if that is true for all?
(02:55:45) (diane) hard to say
(02:55:56) (ron) Cleansing thru Saturn then must pass thru Uranus(02:56:18) (ron) since Uranus = freedom
(02:56:23) (diane) soul being put to the test!
(02:56:46) (ron) ...know that every thought and act, is that being builded...in their sojourns in the spheres - make for this entering in. As in earth...matter takes all its various forms of presentation of ...energy, or force, as radiated from the various effects of this solar aspect...all force in THIS [earth] sphere taking on that appearance...known as threefold, or the aspects of a
(02:57:18) (ron) threefold nature. As in Jupiter - taking on those ennobling forces, whether they be from earth, from Venus, from Mercury, from Mars...As in Saturn - that [sphere] to whom all insufficient matter is cast from its remolding...either re-entering through those of the
(02:57:44) (ron) Uranian - which makes for the accentuations of very good or very bad, and making, in their relationships...for EXTRAORDINARY conditions; taking on those forces known in earth's plane as from occult influences. 311-2
(02:59:53) (diane) so, our souls really are hanging out on a planet
(03:00:11) (ron) it looks that way
(03:00:18) (diane) soul chooses the planet?
(03:00:24) (ron) yes
(03:01:08) (crystal) is that means other planets have beings too?
(03:01:29) (ron) yes...but not in a three dimensional sense
(03:01:57) (ron) only the earth experience is that three dimensional eperience
(03:03:22) (ron) do you know that if one sojourns on, i think it might be Neptune, there is an eight dimensional understanding, conception of the Universe, or God
(02:23:14) (ron) Besides giving the urge for changes in the earth plane, Saturn's role in the scheme of soul evolution is one of sorrow and change. To put it another way: the need for changes sends the soul or attracts the soul to Saturn after an earth life in which too many of God's laws have been misused:
(02:25:20) (ron) sorrow and change - this is the textbook for Saturn...to experience the difficulties of life...and as far as i'm concerned the other transiting planets (Jupiter, Sturn, Uranus) bring about change...some changes are a lot easier than the way Saturn burns away the past
(02:25:53) (ron) (Q) What is meant by banishment of a soul from its Maker?
(02:26:12) (ron) (A) ...as given in the beginning to choose for self as in the earthly plane, all insufficient matter is cast unto Saturn. To work out his own salvation as would be termed in the word, the entity or individual banishes itself, or its soul, which is the entity... 3744-3
(02:26:51) (ron) In the spheres of many of the planets within the same solar system, we find they [the entities] are banished to certain conditions in developing about the spheres from which they pass, and again and again and again return from one to another until they are prepared to meet the everlasting Creator of our entire Universe, of which our system is only a very small part.
(02:26:57) (diane) so the soul and the entity are the same thing?
(02:27:34) (ron) i would say so...entity = a being = a soul
(02:27:54) (ron) an individuality
(02:28:01) (diane) ty
(02:35:36) (ron) Finally, to summarize Saturn's function of remolding or reclamation, the following reading compares Saturn with the Earth:
(02:36:10) (ron) For the earth and Saturn are opposites, as it were...to Saturn go those who would renew or begin again, or who have blotted from their experience much that may be set in motion again through other influences and environs that have been a portion of the entity's experience. 945-1
(02:36:41) (Roz) interesting ron
(02:37:32) (ron) renew or begin again .... to burn out the badness with, for example, long-suffering and finally be free from the sins of the past
(02:37:58) (ron) The sex glands are associated with Saturn, according to the readings.
(02:38:10) (ron) URANUS
(02:38:31) (ron) There is less variation between astrology textbooks and the readings in the meaning of Uranus.
(02:38:42) (Roz) cleansing fire ?
(02:40:02) (ron) the changes the Uranus brings are sudden, quick, unexpected...thus forcing one to use their creativity...the choice is how are you going to sove the problem?...the right way or the wrong way...ingenuity is displayed at those times of change
(02:40:35) (ron) One of the astrology magazines says that Uranus is concerned with occultism, originality, altruism, change, independence; the metal, uranium; the ankles, as part of the body; and ruler of the sign Aquarius.
(02:41:00) (diane) good old Uranus
(02:41:08) (ron) McCaffery says: "Uranus is peculiarly the planet of insight into the laws of nature. This insight seems to come in flashes, which reveal just how and when material things can be made more useful. It is the planet of the inventor, and is original and scientific, almost never emotional...Uranus is the planet of electricity. It is sometimes said to be malefic, for
(02:42:28) (ron) when it strikes, it can cause the whole efforts of a lifetime to tumble down and be destroyed. This is usually because the plan of life has been wrong. The old has to be destroyed before something new can enter...It is sometimes said to be the 'planet of revolutionaries, for it is never content to allow old institutions to continue without change. For this reason Saturn and Uranus are ever in mortal conflict..." (pp. 77-78)
(02:43:26) (ron) The keyword for the meaning of Uranus, in the readings, is EXTREMES, as the reader will have noted from allusions to it in the Saturn section. It is also the planet of occultism, as distinct from psychic; which means "of the soul, spiritual," according to the readings.
(02:43:57) (ron) Textbooks state that Uranus is very likely the higher octave of Mercury, just as Neptune is the higher octave of Venus. The readings state that Uranus, in the human glandular system, refers to the thyroid, the will. Textbooks and the readings are not too far apart in their understanding of Uranus; but as usual the readings seem to add a deeper meaning to the concept of Uranus's role.(02:44:32) (ron) Here are some extracts, culled from dozens, on Uranus's extremism:
(02:44:48) (ron) From Uranian influences we find the extremist. And these tendencies...will develop especially through the early teen age years, when there will be moods and...wonderments...These [Uranian tendencies] make for also the intuitive influences and the abilities for the development in the very psychic forces of the entity. 1206-3
(02:45:21) (ron) In the urges from astrological aspects we find Mercury, Uranus, Venus and Jupiter as the influences through which the entity has received an awareness. One of the high mental ability, yet one very extreme in many ways.
(02:45:44) (ron) Oft...too easily discouraged. Hence...it will require that the entity set a purpose and a goal, and be not deterred from same... 2572-1
(02:45:56) (diane) Amen
(02:46:14) (ron) Those of exceptional abilities with Uranian influence may be well said also to mean exceptional abilities to err, or to be led astray in the direction not best for...self's development. 38-1
(02:46:37) (ron) In Uranus we find the extremes, and the interest in the occult - the mystical. This is well, if it is balanced in the spiritual nature... 2571-1
(02:47:05) (ron) ...in benevolent influences in Mars and Uranus [both in Libra, sign of balance], these bring for the exceptional abilities as respecting intuitive forces for the body, and as for the abilities.. .to quiet those who would show wrath, or any unkindly feelings toward another.
(02:47:32) (ron) Oft will the entity - if trained especially in this formative period - be able to act as oil upon troubled waters, as that inter-between which will make for beauty in the lives of those the entity contacts, making for a bond of sympathy, of union, that will be exceptional...as well as...awakening of abilities within self...that may be the peace-maker,
(02:47:41) (ron) not only among individuals, but in groups, in classes, in states, in masses. [Entity entered from Jupiter, with Venus, Mars, and Uranus also influencing.] 1911-1
(02:48:05) (diane) Abe Lincoln
(02:48:24) (ron) This entity, we find, took its flight, or position, from the planet of Uranus, with Venus and Mercury controlling the destiny in the present earth plane. Hence the necessity of the entity's training, especially, in those elements having to do with purity in love and affection, and of nobleness and goodness...that come with that mode of expressing
(02:48:46) (ron) controlling the destiny in the present earth plane.
(02:48:53) (ron) destiny
(02:49:12) (ron) that earthly urge that has drawn us to the earth time and time again
(02:49:30) (ron) controlling the destiny in the present earth plane.
(02:49:41) (ron) itself...for with the entity under these influences, with the exceptional conditions as come from influences of Uranus, we find that the entity's manifestations in the present plane will be exceptionally good or very bad. 143-1
(02:50:13) (ron) [The entity] is not only a Uranian but an Atlantean, and the combination will be something to deal with! as to temper, as to having its way; for it will have its way, irrespective, for the first fourteen years...
(02:50:36) (ron) As for the aspects in the Uranian influence, we find the extremes. The entity will be at times very beautiful in character - at others very ugly; very beautiful in body and mind - at others the other extreme. For these have an influence, and the entity will be an extremist through the first fourteen years of its experience.
(02:50:59) (diane) challenging kid
(02:51:05) (ron) High mental abilities. One that will make a study of how to have its way...do not break the will...rather give the lesson by precept and example. 1958-1
(02:51:28) (ron) In the Uranian influence...the extremes...For there will be periods, natural to a Uranian, when for a few hours or a few minutes or a few days it will be very, very morose...These will arise... out of nowhere... 2005-1
(02:51:54) (ron) Some readers will get a clue, here at least, as to why they may have sudden and extreme moods which seem to descend from nowhere. Uranus is probably one of the planets under whose influence their entry was made into the earth plane. See the last sentence of the previous reading, and also the following:
(02:52:01) (diane) entity will get the mopes
(02:52:25) (ron) Astrological, then, we find the entity coming under the influence of Mercury, Jupiter, Saturn, Venus and Uranus...
(02:52:41) (ron) In...the Uranian [influences]...periods when there seems to be every condition imaginable awry - whether business relations, social relations, financial conditions - every condition seems awry. Again there are seasons of, most things come too easy. 5-2
(02:53:07) (ron) In Uranus we find the extremes. Thus the entity in spiritual, in mental and in material things finds periods when it is as to the mountaintops and again in the depths of despair. 3706-2
(02:53:27) (ron) The following excerpt indicates that Uranus combined with Mercury accounts for garrulity.
(02:53:46) (ron) Easily might the entity become one that would talk of self too much.
(02:54:02) (ron) While the entity will ever be a good listener, do direct the entity so that there is always the consideration for others.
(02:54:21) (ron) Astrologically - we find Uranus (the extremist, of course, in same), Mercury (the high mental abilities; for at least eight to ten experiences...). 2922-1
(02:54:46) (ron) In a reading on the evolution of the soul, we find that after the soul has gone to Saturn for reclamation, the return can be, or perhaps must be, through Uranus. Here are portions of the reading:
(02:55:15) (ron) must be, through Uranus
(02:55:24) (ron) i wonder if that is true for all?
(02:55:45) (diane) hard to say
(02:55:56) (ron) Cleansing thru Saturn then must pass thru Uranus(02:56:18) (ron) since Uranus = freedom
(02:56:23) (diane) soul being put to the test!
(02:56:46) (ron) ...know that every thought and act, is that being builded...in their sojourns in the spheres - make for this entering in. As in earth...matter takes all its various forms of presentation of ...energy, or force, as radiated from the various effects of this solar aspect...all force in THIS [earth] sphere taking on that appearance...known as threefold, or the aspects of a
(02:57:18) (ron) threefold nature. As in Jupiter - taking on those ennobling forces, whether they be from earth, from Venus, from Mercury, from Mars...As in Saturn - that [sphere] to whom all insufficient matter is cast from its remolding...either re-entering through those of the
(02:57:44) (ron) Uranian - which makes for the accentuations of very good or very bad, and making, in their relationships...for EXTRAORDINARY conditions; taking on those forces known in earth's plane as from occult influences. 311-2
(02:59:53) (diane) so, our souls really are hanging out on a planet
(03:00:11) (ron) it looks that way
(03:00:18) (diane) soul chooses the planet?
(03:00:24) (ron) yes
(03:01:08) (crystal) is that means other planets have beings too?
(03:01:29) (ron) yes...but not in a three dimensional sense
(03:01:57) (ron) only the earth experience is that three dimensional eperience
(03:03:22) (ron) do you know that if one sojourns on, i think it might be Neptune, there is an eight dimensional understanding, conception of the Universe, or God
