Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 8, 2005 19:19:52 GMT -5
Astrology Chat: 08-08-05, Part One
(01:29:48) (ron) ARE Searchlight / July 1960 / ESOTERIC ASTROLOGY IN THE EDGAR CAYCE READINGS by Margaret Gammon
(01:30:20) (ron) No actual count has been made, but a conservative estimate by one close to the Edgar Cayce readings indicates that at least 75% of the Life Readings contain references to astrological factors: planets, sojourns in environs or dimensions outside of the earth plane, signs of the Zodiac, urges from planets or planes having the greatest influence upon individual lives - that is, irrespective of will.
(01:31:10) (ron) Curiosity was aroused at this left-handed endorsement of "astrology" and in subsequent readings more questions were asked about such influences. Bits and pieces of enlightenment began to come through; but mainly the fact, reiterated over and over, that no urge from the planets, sun or moon, aspects of zodiacal signs was stronger than the will of the entity. Inasmuch as the foremost exponents of astrology were beginning to voice this same principle, in
(01:31:48) (ron) modified form - especially those interested in psychological or esoteric astrology -- some confusion still persisted as to whether astrology was really important in the life, or whether the readings were just giving background influences. If so, what were their specific nature? Why were they mentioned at all, unless the understanding of such influences could be made practical? Every reading keynoted the de-sire to give helpful and practical and usable understanding.
(01:32:38) (ron) If so, what were their specific nature? Why were they mentioned at all, unless the understanding of such influences could be made practical? Every reading keynoted the de-sire to give helpful and practical and usable understanding to the individual.
(01:33:40) (ron) Then others who were interested in general metaphysical information and wanted to formulate a pattern of understanding began asking general questions in Life Readings and "Mental-Spiritual" Readings. Astrology began to fit into the picture of reincarnation and soul evolution. This pat-tern went further than the astrologers' concepts, and
(01:34:10) (ron) it was somewhat different. The meanings of some planets, as taught by astrology, were altered; others were verified. Most important, the proper use of astrology was out-lined for those seeking information and self-knowledge. What emerged was the great Cosmic Plan for Man, in his search for the way back to God.
(01:34:42) (ron) The basic structure, the fundamental framework of the Plan is clearly stated many times in the readings; but there are gaps in the information about astrology and these gaps could probably have been easily filled in if someone had thought to ask the right questions when readings were given. Or, for all we know, the information may be already
(01:35:15) (ron) here, buried until such time as enough research is done to un-cover the facts. Answers to these un-asked questions may have been given directly or indirectly, by inference and implication from answers to other questions, and as time goes on may be pieced out to fill in the blank spaces. At the present time, therefore, a statement of what the readings
(01:35:54) (ron) say about astrology and soul evolution is necessarily incomplete, as far as some details are concerned.
(01:36:13) (ron) Is it proper for us to study astrology, or the effects of the planets on our lives? Would we understand our-selves better if we did? These questions were asked in reading No. 3744, a general reading. The answer was yes.
(01:36:51) (ron) THE GREAT EXAMPLE
(01:37:17) (ron) Reading No. 3744 consisted of a series of four readings to obtain answers to metaphysical questions dealing with things of the mind, the soul, the life after death, astrology and others. The question above (No. 35) was answered thus:
(01:37:44) (ron) "When studied right; very, very, very much worth while!... By [studying] that influence in [the light of] the knowledge already obtained by mortal man [Jesus]. Show more of this knowledge into lives; emphasizing more understanding that the WILL MUST EVER BE THE GUIDING FACTOR to lead man on, ever upward."
(01:38:20) (ron) Question No. 36 persisted: In what way should astrology be used to help man in the present 3-dimensional plane? The answer was:
(01:38:38) (ron) "The position of the planets which make the TENDENCIES in a given life, without reference to the will [should be studied]. Then let man. . . under-stand how will may overcome; for we all must overcome if we would in any wise enter in.
(01:39:18) (ron) "Not that the position [of the planets] gives man the transport. But the force manifested in the creation of man offers a choice between good and evil. By exercising it, the HIGHEST WILL FORCE may be manifested more greatly in man [by the study of astrology]. Do that!"
(01:39:56) (ron) We have in answer No. 35, above, more than a mere inkling that Jesus who became the Christ obtained the necessary information from his own planetary sojourns and He made perfect and constructive use of it in His own life, or lives upon earth, putting it into practice in subjection to the will. This may be a strange concept to those who have not yet
(01:40:29) (ron) come to the belief that the Christ soul incarnated many times in the earth, showing the way to man by traveling his entire road. (For more information, refer to the April -1958 Searchlight, "That Ye Might Know Him Better", by Nell Clair Monte.) (C-203-Publication List)
(01:40:56) (ron) Other readings confirmed the explanation that the Christ soul showed man the whole way, in this earth and in other planes. In No 3645-L-1 we have:
(01:42:20) (ron) (For more information, refer to the April -1958 Searchlight, "That Ye Might Know Him Better", by Nell Clair Monte.) (C-203-Publication List)
(01:42:40) (ron) Other readings confirmed the explanation that the Christ soul showed man the whole way, in this earth and in other planes. In No 3645-L-1 we have:
(01:43:02) (ron) "For the entity entered not merely by chance. For the earth is a causation world, and in the earth cause and effect are the natural laws. As each soul enters this material plane, its purpose is to meet - or give - the les-sons or truths, so
(01:43:21) (ron) that others also may gain more knowledge of the purpose for which each soul enters. For did the Master Jesus come by chance? Or was it not according to the preparations made from the very foundations of the world? . . . Then ye, as
(01:43:45) (ron) a soul-entity, sought companion-ship with God, in the beginning. Then there was loss of that companionship by thy choice of what would satisfy . . . only the material desire. So ye, AS DID THE MASTER, enter again and again; coming to fulfill the Law. . ."
(01:44:19) (ron) And in No. 900-10, we have: "When the soul (of Jesus) reached that development in which it reached the earth's plane, it became the model in the flesh; which it had reached through development in those spheres, or planets as known in the earth's plane; obtaining then the ONE IN ALL.
(01:44:55) (ron) "As in Mercury, pertaining to mind; as in Mars, to madness; in earth, as to Flesh; in Venus, as to Love; in Jupiter, to Strength; in Saturn, as to the beginning of earthly woes - that to which all insufficient matter is cast for the beginning;
(01:45:26) (ron) in Uranus, as to the Psychic; in Neptune, to the Mystic; in Septimus, as to Consciousness; in Arcturus, as to the Developing."
(01:46:07) (ron) some feel that Septimus is Pluto...the 7th planet when counting from the Earth
(01:46:07) (Anonymous) What book does these lessons come from please?
(01:46:26) (vjh) then when Cayce referred to Septimus, it was Pluto, not yet discovered.
(01:46:54) (ron) ARE Searchlight / July 1960 / ESOTERIC ASTROLOGY IN THE EDGAR CAYCE READINGS by Margaret Gammon
(01:47:26) (vjh) Yes but when Cayce gave that reading, then Pluto wasn't discovered.
(01:47:36) (ron) ok vjh
(01:47:42) (Anonymous) Thank you very much.
(01:48:09) (ron) One of the points of our ignorance is what the readings meant by Septimus, whether Septimus is Pluto or some other planet. Pluto is not mentioned by name in any reading so far discovered by this writer. Further re-search may
(01:48:31) (ron) uncover additional in-formation.
(01:49:00) (ron) Question 31 in reading No. 3744 asked for the names of the principal planets, and the answer was: "Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn, Uranus, Septimus." Note that the question asked for the PRINCIPLE planets, and that
(01:49:25) (ron) Neptune was omitted in this list. Septimus is 7th in the list. There is much here we do not understand.
(01:49:46) (ron) PLANETARY DIMENSIONS
(01:50:07) (ron) The Christ-soul that incarnated in Jesus, then, set the example for man in a far wider scope or plan than some of us have realized, with our sights on the 3-dimensional earth. We learn from reading No. 5002-L-1 that the Earth has 3
(01:50:31) (ron) dimensions; Mercury has 2 ; Venus has 4; Jupiter 7; Uranus 8; and Saturn 1. This leaves Mars, Neptune and Pluto (Septimus?) for dimensions 5, 6 and 7.
(01:51:06) (ron) "These, then, are URGES," continues this same reading for an individual. "Thus confusions at times. Yet the entity is ever a play actor to itself, and too often this is evidenced in experiences with others. Not always is the entity taken
(01:51:11) (diane) thought jupiter was 7
(01:51:49) (ron) seriously. Mercury is mind; or the awareness of that consciousness. Venus indicates beauty and activity, depending upon whether this is acted upon by material, mental or by spiritual purposes. For as indicated, these [urges] enter the
(01:52:17) (ron) fourth dimension of consciousness. Thus beauty, as possessed in self - in body, in mind, in soul. Don't abuse it . . .Also from Venus ye find thy abilities as an actress, as song writer, as dancer - as in all principles that may be applied
(01:52:43) (ron) to everything pertaining to beauty. Use these abilities, don't abuse them."
(01:53:02) (ron) This analysis of Mercury and Venus has been cited because it seems to be an explanation of urges stemming from sojourns in Mercury and Venus.
(01:53:25) (ron) The soul-entity, w hen not incarnated in the earth, must dwell at some time or other (not in any fixed sequence, the readings say) in all dimensions. In what sequence then? Apparently according to the need of the soul.
(01:54:06) (ron) Q-4. "Do these other systems have a planet like earth, which is a focal point for the meeting and material expression of its forces and principles?"
(01:54:29) (ron) A-4. "Relatively so; IN WHATEVER DIMENSION OF CONSCIOUSNESS or aware-ness IS NECESSARY TO . . . THE AROUSAL OF THE SOUL TO ITS NEED - its awareness of the Maker, the Word, the Spirit. . .
(01:55:03) (ron) "As He has given: every soul shall give account of the deeds done in the body. What body? The body of mind, the body of physical manifestation, the body of spirit. Each in its own sphere, its own realm.
(01:55:35) (ron) "Earth, in this solar system, represents merely three dimensions. Then how many dimensions are in this solar system? EIGHT! What position does the earth occupy? The third! What position do others occupy? Their relative
(01:56:01) (ron) relationship ONE TO ANOTHER." (No. 5755-2)
(01:56:26) (ron) Esoterically, the 3rd dimensional Earth puts a limitation upon our thinking seems to be what reading No. 4035-L-l is saying: "For the entity finds itself a body, mind and soul: three. Or the earth consciousness is a 3-dimensional plane
(01:56:51) (ron) in one. So man's concept of the God-head is 3-dimensional: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The communication, or activity, or motivating force, then we find, is 3-dimensional: time, space and patience. None of these exists in fact,
(01:57:29) (ron) except in the conception of the individual, as they may apply to time, space or patience."
(01:57:54) (ron) An interest-provoking fact to note before leaving the subject of definite dimensions assigned to the planets in the readings is that these dimensions do not coincide with astronomical positions in relation to the sun and earth.
(01:58:19) (ron) Mercury is the closest to the sun, but has been given two dimensions by the readings. The earth is third from the sun and has three dimensions; this coincides. Venus is second from the sun, or between Mercury and the earth, and has
(01:58:43) (ron) been given four dimensions. Mars is the fourth planet from the sun, Jupiter is fifth, Saturn sixth, Uranus seventh, Neptune eighth, and Pluto ninth from the sun. Yet Jupiter has been assigned seven dimensions of consciousness in
(01:59:09) (ron) the readings, Uranus eight, and Saturn only one. There-fore we cannot correlate any of these esoteric facts with scientific facts -at this time, anyhow.
(01:59:33) (ron) Apparently there are lessons in each dimension which the soul must learn, even as did Jesus, or the Christ-soul, the original Adam-soul.
(01:59:56) (ron) "For the soul to reach that plane wherein the WHOLE ENTITY may become one with the Creative Force; for the soul to attain that oneness with God; there is the necessity for developing through ALL THE PLANES IN THE
(02:00:20) (ron) UNIVERSAL FORCES, or throughout the universe. . .
(02:00:39) (ron) "As far as concerns this physical earth plane: certain rules or laws were set in the beginning, to govern the earth and the beings of the earth plane. Under the same laws there was governance of the planets, the stars and the
(02:01:02) (ron) constellations - as well as the groups which constitute the sphere or space in which the planet earth moves." (No. 254-27)
(02:01:22) (ron) We interpret the constellations mentioned here to mean the twelve signs of the Zodiac. In reading No. 2823-L-1, these are called "major centers" and each one is represented by one of the twelve Apostles.
(02:01:50) (ron) "Do not think that even He, in the flesh, did not find stumbling in the mind and in the experience of each one of those He chose to be His representatives in the earth! As each of the twelve Apostles represented major centers - or
(02:02:15) (ron) regions, or realms -THROUGH WHICH CONSCIOUSNESS IN THE BODY BECAME AWARE OF THE EARTH ITSELF; so did He find - as in thine own self ye find - those twelve stumbling stones, those twelve things that often
(02:02:40) (ron) not only disgust but disappoint thee as to reactions, and the way people and things react. These are the price of flesh, of material consciousness, and are only passing. Know deep with-in self that these, too, must pass away; but the
(02:03:07) (ron) beauty, the love, the hope and the faith remain ever. . ."
(02:03:29) (ron) What about the Sun and Moon? Orthodox or traditional astrology makes much of aspects between the Sun and Moon and other planets in the birth chart. We had just about come to the conclusion that the soul, outside of earth's 3-
(02:03:50) (ron) dimensional conscious-ness, did not ever dwell in Sun or Moon environs when we came across this mention in reading No. 633-L-2:
(02:04:15) (ron) "Mercury brings the high mental abilities; the faculties that at times may become development for the soul or at other times turned to aggrandizement of selfish interests. . . For the entity is among those who have entered the earth
(02:04:37) (ron) during those years when large numbers of those entered who have risen high in their abilities, who then are passing through periods when there must be application of the will - LEST THE VERY ABILITIES THAT WERE
(02:04:59) (ron) MAINTAINED IN THE SUN AND MERCURY become as stumblingblocks, and they become extremists, as the Uranian influences indicate."
(02:05:31) (ron) Again in No. 5755-1, we find an allusion to the Sun which could be interpreted as meaning sojourns there: "Is it any wonder that in the ignorance of the earth, the activities of that entity [Ra Ta] were turned toward that influence called
(02:05:57) (ron) sun-worshippers? This was because of the ABILITIES OF ITS INFLUENCES IN THE EXPERIENCES OF EACH INDIVIDUAL. and its effect upon things of the earth in nature. . ."
(02:06:30) (ron) And in No. 255-3-L-1, we have an allusion to aspects of Sun and Moon to other planets, whether this means the soul-entity has dwelt in the environs of Sun and Moon or not: ". . . influenced by Jupiter and the Sun which give of the
(02:06:52) (ron) better and ennobling forces. . . while the Moon and Venus are in opposition to the good in her sojourn. . ."
