Post by Blu on Oct 2, 2007 0:41:01 GMT -5
[21:17] <Host-GG> We must accept that God knew what would happen by granting free will to all souls, and yet gave them the privilege of choosing their way in the world. 5749-14
[21:18] <Host-GG> Q: I read that you once saw yourself in a future lifetime ~~ what was that about?
[21:18] <Host-GG> A: "I had been born again in 2158 A.D. in Nebraska. The sea apparently covered all of the western part of the country, as the city where I lived was on the [sea]coast. Footnote: On other occasions, Cayce predicted dramatic earth changes to come, which is also indicated here if a Midwestern state gains a seacoast and New York is destroyed.
[21:19] <Host-GG> The family name was a strange one. At an early age as a child, I declared myself to be Edgar Cayce who has lived 200 years before. Scientists, men with long beards little hair, and thick glasses, were called in to observe me. They decided to visit the places where I said I had been born, lived, and worked, in Kentucky, Alabama, New York, Michigan, and Virginia.
[21:19] <Host-GG> Taking me with them, the group of scientists visited these places in a long, cigar-shaped, metal flying ship which moved at high speed. Water covered part of Alabama. Norfolk, VA, had become an immense seaport. New York had been destroyed either by war or an earthquake and was being rebuilt.
[21:19] <Host-GG> Industries were scattered over the countryside. Most of the houses were of glass. Many records of my work as Edgar Cayce were discovered and collected. The group returned to Nebraska taking the records with them to study." 394-185
[21:20] <Host-GG> Q: How did you interpret that?
[21:20] <Host-GG> A: "This then is the interpretation. As has been given, 'Fear not.' Keep the faith; for those that be with you are greater than those that would hinder. Though the very heavens fall, though the earth shall be changed, though the heavens shall pass, the promises in Him are sure and will stand ~~ as in that day ~~ as the proof of your activity in the lives and hearts of those of your fellow man. "For indeed and in truth you know, 'As ye do it unto thy fellow man, ye do it unto thy God, to thyself.' For, self effaced, God may indeed glorify you and make you stand as one who is called for a purpose in the dealings, the relationships with your fellow man. Be not unmindful that He is nigh unto you in every trial, in every temptation, and has not willed that you should perish. Make your will then one with Him. Be not afraid. "That is the interpretation. That the periods from the material angle as envisioned are to come to pass matters not to the soul, but do your duty today! Tomorrow will care for itself." 294-185
[21:22] <Host-GG> Q: Some people have interpreted that experience to mean that terribly devastating changes lie ahead for the earth. Is that true?
[21:22] <Host-GG> A: "These changes in the earth will come to pass, for the time and times and half times are at an end, and there begin those periods for the readjustments. For how has He given? 'The righteous shall inherit the earth'. Have you, my brethren, a heritage in the earth?" 294-185
[21:23] <Host-GG> Q: Why do you think you had this vision?
[21:24] <Host-GG> A: "The vision was that there might be strength, there might be an understanding that though the moment may appear dark, though there may be periods of misinterpreting of purposes, even these will be turned into that which will be the very proof itself in the experiences of the entity and those whom the entity might, whom the entity would in its experience through the earth plane, help; and those to whom the entity might give hope and understanding." 294-185
[21:24] <Host-GG> Q: What other dramatic visions of things to come have you had?
[21:25] <Host-GG> A: "I was in the garden here at work when I heard a noise like the noise of a swarm of bees. When I looked to see where they were, I saw that the noise came from a chariot in the air with four white horses and a driver. I did not see the driver. The experience lasted only a few minutes. I was trying to persuade myself that it was not true, that it was only imagination, when I heard a voice saying, "Look behind you." I looked and behold a man in armor, with a shield a helmet, knee guards, a cape but no weapon of any kind. His countenance was like the light; his armor was at silver or aluminum. He raised his hand in salute and said, "The chariot of the Lord and the horsemen thereof." Then he disappeared. I was really weak, not from fright but from aw and wonder. It was a most beautiful experience and I hope I may be worthy of many more." 294-185
[21:26] <Host-GG> Q: What did you make of it?
[21:27] <Host-GG> A: "This was a vision. This is the interpretation: These are emblems, these are figures in the experience of the entity, that: As is built in the conscious mind of those about the entity, in the conscious entity itself, if there are not those encouragements from your friend, if there is not a kind word or a smile, you do indeed feel that something is amiss, something is awry! "How well, then, those that have name the Name, those that would know the Lord ~~ smile! For what else in God's creation can? In the experience there is shown that there is not only the whole armor of the Lord as a defense, but the chariot of the Lord that would take wings upon time to show, to make you know, that His promises abide. "Be faithful through those periods of oppression, as well as those periods that would soon come when the material things of life would be as plenteous in your experience. But keep the whole armor of the Lord that you ay stand even as He in that day when temptations of every nature, when trials of every sort, come upon you and your fellow man. For the Lord forgets not those to whom He has given charge, "Feed my sheep, feed my lambs." 294-185
[21:29] <Host-GG> Q: Can you tell more about our spiritual development before and after reincarnation in the earth"
[21:30] <Host-GG> A: "This may be illustrated best in what has been sought through example in the earth. When there was in the beginning a man's advent into the plane known as earth, and it became a living soul, amenable to the laws that govern the plane itself as presented, the Son of Man entered earth as the first man. Hence the Son of Man, the Son of God, the Son of the First Cause, making manifest in a material body. "This was not the first spiritual influence, spiritual body, spiritual manifestation in the earth, but the first man ~~ flesh and blood; the first carnal house, the first amenable body to the laws of the plane in its position in the universe. "FOR THE EARTH IS ONLY AN ATOM IN THE UNIVERSE OF WORLDS~ And man's development began through the laws of the generations in the earth; thus the development, retardation, or the alterations in those positions in a material plane.
And with error entered what is called death, which is only a transition ~~ or through God's other door ~~ into that realm where the entity has built, in its manifestations as related to the knowledge and activity respecting the law of the universal influence. "Hence the development is through the planes of experience that an entity may become one with the First Cause; even as the angels that wait before the throne bring the access of influence in the experience through the desires and activities of an entity, or being, in whatever state, place or plane of development the entity is passing. "For, in the comprehension of no time, no space, no beginning, no end, there may be the glimpse of what simple transition or birth into the material is; as passing through the other door into another consciousness." 5749-3
[21:35] <Host-GG> Q: In one of your readings, given for yourself, you told of spending some time between past lives in the solar system of Arcturus. Why Arcturus?
[21:36] <Host-GG> A: "Arcturus [Arcturus is the brightest star in the constellation Bootes, which is thirty-six light years from Earth.] is what may be called the center of this universe, through which individuals pass and at which period there comes the choice of the individual as to whether it is to return to complete there ~~ that is, in this planetary system, our sun, the earth sun and its planetary system ~~ or to pass on to others." 5749-14
[21:37] <Host-GG> Q: Do you mean our souls travel about the universe between lives?
[21:37] <Host-GG> A: "As an entity passes on, as has been given, from this present ~~ or this solar system, this sun, these forces, it passes through the various sphere ~~ leading first into that central force, through which ~~ known as Arcturus ~~ nearer the Pleiades, in this passage about the various spheres ~~ on and on ~~ through the eons of time, as called ~~ or space ~~ which is one in the various spheres of its activity." 311-2
[21:38] <Host-GG> Q: What is the purpose of this space travel?
[21:38] <Host-GG> A: "For in flesh must the entity manifest, and make the will One with the God, or Creative Force, in the universe, and as such development reaches that plane, wherein the development may pass into other spheres and systems, of which our [the earth's] solar system is only a small part; in this, then, is meant the entity must develop in that sphere until it [the entity] has reached that stage wherein it may manifest through the spiritual planes, as would be called from the relation to physical or fleshly plane." 900-25
[21:39] <Host-GG> Q: In other words, the soul develops positively during this astral sojourn, but it has to show that it has made progress through another life in the flesh. Does that mean we finish our cycle of multiple live on earth?
[21:40] <Host-GG> A: "If it is begun on the earth it must be finished on the earth. The solar system of which the earth is a part is only a portion of the whole. For, as indicated in the number of planets about the earth, they are of one and the same [solar system] ~~ and they are relative one to another [in orbiting about the sun]. It is the [soul's] cycle of the whole [solar] system that is finished, see?" 5749-14
[21:40] <Host-GG> Q: Speaking of the planetary system, what do you think of astrology?
[21:41] <Host-GG> A: "Well for everyone to make a study of astrology!" 311-10
[21:41] <Host-GG> Q: Astrologers ascribe our behavior and our personal traits with the moment and place where we were born. Is that valid or a decisive factor?
[21:42] <Host-GG> A: "Does the time of birth, the place of kind of environment, have a part in destiny? Do the days or the years, or the numbers, all have their part? Yes, more than that! Yet, as has been given, all these are but signs along the way; they are but omens; they are but the marks that have indicated ~~ for, as given, He has set His mark, and these are signs, not destinies. For the destiny of the mind, of the body, or the soul, is with Him. 262-75 "No urge ~~ whether of the material sojourns or of the astrological aspects ~~ surpasses the mental and spiritual abilities of a soul to choose its course that it, the soul and mind, may take." 2533-1
[21:43] <Host-GG> Q: Although astrology is very old, it still meets with skepticism. When did people first employ it?
[21:44] <Host-GG> A: "Many, many thousands, thousands of years ago. The first record is that recorded in Job, who lived before Moses was." 3744-4
[21:44] <Host-GG> Q: Why do you value astrology?
[21:45] <Host-GG> A: "For, as indicated, while many individuals have set about to prove the astrological aspects and astrological survey enable one to determine future as well as the past conditions, these are well to the point where the individual understands that these act upon individuals because of their sojourn or correlation of their associations with the environs through which these are shown, see? 311-10
[21:46] <Host-GG> "The individual activity [life of each person] is a thing of itself, see? For as may be illustrated in [the] life of an individual; it may be said that the line of thought in the present is towards [people today believe] a change [is coming] in the Aries age from the Pisces, or from the [age of] Aquarius, or to those various activities, see? But it doesn't mean that every individual changes, for each individual has its own development. As we look about us we see the various spheroids, spheres, planets, or solar systems, and they have their individual activity. Look at the soul of man and know it may be equal to, or greater; for it must be man's ability to control one of such! Vast study, yes!" 311-10
[21:47] <Host-GG> Q: Science acknowledges the influence of the moon on the earth's tides but remains skeptical about planets affecting our lives. Folklore has it, for example, that a full moon impacts some people so emotionally that they become 'looney'. What's your understanding or belief?
[21:47] <Host-GG> A: "In the beginning, our own plane, the earth, was set in motion. The planning of other planes began the ruling of the destiny of all matters as created, must as the division of waters was ruled and is ruled by the moon in its path about the earth; just so as the higher creation [humankind] as it begun is ruled by its action in conjunction with the planets about the earth. The strongest force used in the destiny of man is the sun first, then the closer planets to the earth, or those that are coming to ascension at the time of the birth of the individual." 3744-4
[21:48] <Host-GG> Q: So, you definitely side with the astrologers in believing the stars exert a power over us?
[21:49] <Host-GG> A: "It is not so much that an entity is influenced because the moon is in Aquarius or the sun in Capricorn or Genus or Mercury . . . but rather because those positions in the heavens are from the entity having been in that [celestial] sojourn as a soul!
[21:49] <Host-GG> A: "It is not so much that an entity is influenced because the moon is in Aquarius or the sun in Capricorn or Genus or Mercury . . . but rather because those positions in the heavens are from the entity having been in that [celestial] sojourn as a soul!
[21:49] <Host-GG> This is how the planets have the greater influence in the earth upon the entity, see? 630-2
[21:50] <Host-GG> "But let it be understood here, no action of any planet or the phases of the sun, the moon, or any of the heavenly bodies surpass the rule of man's will power, the power given by the Creator of man, in the beginning, when he became a living soul, with the power of choosing for himself." 3744-4
[21:50] <Host-GG> Q: That is a significant departure from the popular belief ~~ or misconception ~~ that we are governed by the stars or the sign under which we were born, isn't it?
[21:50] <Merri> question
[21:50] <Host-GG> A: "The inclinations of man are ruled by the planets under which he is born,
[21:51] <Host-GG> Ok Merri, go.
[21:51] <Merri> can we tell our past sojourns from a natal chart?
[21:52] <Merri> and I don't mean on earth
[21:52] <Host-GG> I can't answer that. Can you Blu or Ron?
[21:52] <Roz> or our first sojourn?
[21:52] <Host-GG> I do have a chart from ARE about past lives as determined by the sign under which I am now living, however.
[21:53] <Blu> Ron probably knows better than I, but it seems we pass through those other planes because of the work we have done in the past. Past life readings from the ARE are based on the natal chart.
[21:53] <ron1> I believe Cayce has said that the planets relationships to each at birth give the mental urge, inclinations...such as Sun trine Mercury, for example
[21:54] <vjh> Does the sun ever trine mercury? Mercury and Venus are two planets that stay close to the sun.
[21:54] <Host-GG> Does that answer your question, Merri?
[21:54] <Merri> but past life readings are only for the earth plane
[21:54] <Host-GG> Roz?
[21:55] <ron1> But yet, I have read that the emotional urge is carried over from past earthly experience...I have always felt that the planetary aspects I mentioned above was just that...I have not studied this theory for some time...I hope to start up again
[21:55] <Host-GG> That is true, I think, Merri; but do we really need to know which other sojourns we have already made?