Post by WalksInSpirit on Sept 4, 2006 21:42:30 GMT -5
Monday Night Chat: 09-04-06
Eula Allen & The Trilogy
(09:32:06) (Bill) Father, God, in Thy mercy, in Thy love, be Thou with us now. For we know and we speak of Thy love. And help us then to put away, for the hour, the cares of this life; that we may know in truth that the spirit and the lamb say, “Come.” Let them that hear also say “Come.” Let all that will, come and drink of the Water of life. (262-113.) Amen
(09:32:18) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:32:18) (Cris) Amen
(09:32:26) (merri) Amen
(09:32:41) (ron) amen
(09:33:46) (Bill) okay a couple posts from last wk. then on to new stuff
(09:33:50) (Bill) “ . . . Mind is the Builder, being both spiritual and material; and the consciousness of same reaches man only in his awareness of his consciousness through the senses of his physical being.” (826-11.)
(09:34:07) (Bill) “Then a soul, the offspring of a Creator, entering into a consciousness that became a manifestation in any plane or sphere of activity, given that free will for its use of those abilities, qualities, conditions in its experience, demonstrates, manifests, shows forth, that it reflects in its activity towards that First Cause.” (5753-1.)
(09:34:59) (Bill) i think you'll find most of the question you ask your self this evening will be answered in following posts
(09:35:18) (Bill) So soon as man contemplates his free will he thinks of it as a means of doing the opposite of God’s will, though he finds that only by doing God’s will does he find happiness. Yet, the notion of serving God sits ill with him, for he sees it as a sacrifice of his will.
(09:35:45) (Bill) Only in disillusion and suffering, in time, space, and patience, does he come to the wisdom that his real will is the will of God, and in its practice is happiness and heaven.
(09:36:16) (Bill) “Mind is the active force in an animate object; that is the spark or image of the Maker. “Mind is the factor that is in direct opposition to will. “Mind, being that control of or being the spark of the Maker, the will ~~ the individual, when we reach the place of man.
(09:36:49) (Bill) “Mind being and is the factor governing the contention ~~ or the interlaying space, if you please ~~ between the physical and the soul, and the soul to the spirit forces within the individual ~~ or animate forces.” (3744-1.)
(09:37:17) (Bill) “Q-4. Is the body aware of the destiny of the physical body at birth?
(09:37:30) (Bill) “A-4. God Himself knows not what man will destine to do with himself, else would He have repented that he had made man! He has given man free will. MAN destines the body!” (262-86.)
(09:37:58) (Bill) Man may hold an ideal at the time of birth that would determine his destiny.
(09:38:15) (Bill) “Q-1. Explain, ‘Mind is the factor that is in direct opposition to will’.
(09:38:32) (Bill) “A-1. We have many phases of mind. We have the mind of the spirit consciousness, of the physical consciousness, or soul. We have the mind of the physical body, through which any or all of these may manifest.
(09:38:56) (Bill) “The will is that active principle against which such manifestations respond. Hence it is in direct opposition to mind action. This, we find, then refers to the condition in the material world ~~ WILL, you see.
(09:39:48) (Bill) The will in the spiritual plane or spirit consciousness ~~ (not spirit entity) ~~ being the creation of that manifested in the earth plane. Hence the different conditions in will’s manifesting and in how will is in opposition to the mind force.
(09:40:24) (Bill) “Knowledge comes through the senses in the physical body to the conscious mind. The subconscious has the storing of the knowledge of given conditions. When the consciousness receives, through the senses, that knowledge, the will is the action against the incentive set forth. . . .”(900-21.)
(09:41:05) (Bill) “Q-3. Is it the destiny of every spiritual entity to become eventually one with God?
(09:41:28) (Bill) “A-3. Unless that entity wills its banishment. As is given with man: in giving of the soul, the will, wherewith to manifest in the entity whether the spiritual, whether material. With that the entity ~~ either spiritual or physical ~~ may banish itself. Again a compliance with law. As has been given, hell was prepared for Satan and his angels.
(09:41:32) (Roz) good question
(09:42:06) (Bill) Yet God has not WILLED that ANY soul should perish. Giving of will to His creation, MAN, that man might be one with Him. As in destiny, meaning a law, compliance with a law, destined to be subject, or being the law.” (900-20.)
(09:42:41) (Bill) The following reading (5749-14.), was given to Thomas Sugrue, and was the basis for the chapter on the philosophy of the readings in ‘There Is A River’. Mr.Sugrue’s biography of Edgar Cayce.
(09:43:02) (Cris) We are the ones to make the ultimate choice of our destiny being given eery change to chose light
(09:43:58) (Bill) yes Cris we are given every oppotunity to be the Law as to being opposed to the Law
(09:44:22) (Bill) “(5749-14.) HLC: You will have before you the inquiring mind of the entity, Thomas Sugrue, present in this room, and certain of the problems which confront him in composing the manuscript of THERE IS A RIVER.
(09:44:45) (Bill) “The entity is now ready to describe the philosophical concepts which have been given through this source, and wishes to parallel and align them with know religious tenets, especially those of Christian theology.
(09:44:57) (Leon) Cris, I can choose what to eat , when to lay down to rest but with the limited knowledge I have, I'll need someone or something to hold my hand.
(09:45:27) (Bill) “The entity does not wish to set forth a system of thought, nor to imply that all questions of a philosophical nature can be answered through this source ~~ the limitations of the finite mind preventing this.
(09:45:38) (Roz) yu have the Holy spirit to guide you
(09:45:52) (Bill) . But the entity wishes to answer those questions which will naturally arise in the mind of the reader, and many of the questions which are being asked by all people in the world today.
(09:46:22) (Bill) “Therefore, the entity presents certain problems and questions, which you will answer as befits the entity’s understanding and the task of interpretation before him.
(09:46:23) (Leon) Yes, indeed!!
(09:46:46) (Bill) “MR. C: Yes, we have the inquiring mind, Thomas Sugrue, and those problems, those questions that arise in the mind of the entity at this period. Ready for questions.
(09:47:08) (Bill) “Q-1: The first problem concerns the reason for creation. Should this be given as God’s desire to experience Himself, God’s desire for companionship, God’s desire for expression, or in some other way?
(09:47:32) (Bill) “A-1: God’s desire for companionship and expression.
(09:47:51) (Bill) “Q-2: The second problem concerns that which is variously called evil, darkness, negation, sin. Should it be said that this condition existed as a necessary element of creation, and the soul, given free-will, found itself with the power to indulge in it, or lose itself in it?
(09:48:14) (Bill) Or should it be said that this is a condition created by the activity of the soul itself? Should it be described, in either case, as a state of consciousness, a gradual lack of awareness of self and self’s relation to God?
(09:48:41) (Bill) “A-2: It is the free will and its losing itself in its relationship to God.
(09:48:55) (Roz) we are given free will to choose darkness
(09:49:03) (Bill) “Q-3: The third problem has to do with the fall of man. Should this be described as something which was inevitable in the destiny of souls, or something which God did not desire but which He did not prevent once He had given free will?
(09:49:26) (Bill) The problem here is to reconcile the omniscience of God and His knowledge of all things with the free will of the soul and the soul’s fall from grace.
(09:49:55) (Bill) “A-3: He did not prevent, once having given free will. For He made the individual entities or souls in the beginning. For the beginnings of sin, of course, were in seeking expression of themselves outside of the plan or the way in which God had expressed same.
(09:50:24) (Bill) Thus it was the individual, see? “Having given free will, then ~~ though having the foreknowledge, though being omnipotent and omnipresent ~~ it is only when the soul, that is a portion of God, chooses that God knows the end thereof.
(09:51:09) (Bill) “Q-4: The fourth problem concerns man’s tenancy on earth. Was it originally intended that souls remain out of earthly forms, and were the races originated as a necessity resulting from error?
(09:51:32) (Bill) “A-4: The earth and its manifestations were only the expression of God and not necessarily as a place of tenancy for the souls of man, until man was created to meet the needs of existing conditions.
(09:52:31) (Bill) “Q-5: The fifth problem concerns an explanation of the Life Readings. From a study of these it seems that there is a trend downward from early incarnations toward greater earthliness and less mentality.
(09:52:32) (Lory) This is proof of more than one cretion.
(09:53:04) (Bill) Then there is a swing upward, accompanied by suffering, patience, and understanding. Is this the normal pattern, which results in virtue and oneness with God obtained by free will and mind?
(09:53:38) (Bill) “A-5: This is correct. It is the pattern as it is set in Him.
(09:54:03) (Bill) “Q-6: The sixth problem concerns inter-planetary and inter-system dwelling between earthly lives. It was given through this source that the entity Edgar Cayce, after the experience as Uhjtld, went to the system of Arcturus, and then returned to earth. Does this indicate a usual or unusual step in soul evolution”
(09:54:44) (Bill) “A-6: An indicated, or has been indicated in other sources besides this one as respecting this very problem, ~~ Arcturus is that which may be called the center of this universe, through which individuals pass and at which period there comes the choice of the individual as to whether it is to return to complete there
(09:55:17) (Bill) ~~ that is, in this planetary system . . . or to pass on to others. This was an unusual step, and yet a usual one.
(09:55:23) (Lory) Interesting ron.
(09:55:42) (ron) what lory?
(09:55:45) (Lory) Arcturus as the center of this universe.
(09:55:58) (ron) yes...lory...very interesting
(09:56:04) (Bill) “Q-7: The seventh problem concerns implications from the sixth problem. Is it necessary to finish the solar system cycle before going to other systems?
(09:56:54) (Bill) “A-7: Necessary to finish the solar cycle.
(09:57:16) (Bill) the wording actually indicates more than one universe
(09:57:33) (Lory) Yes, it does, Bill
(09:57:38) (Bill) “Q-8: Can oneness be attained ~~ or the finish of evolution reached ~~ on any system, or must it be in a particular one?
(09:58:16) (Leon) one universe-- a billion solar systems
(09:58:23) (Bill) “A-8: Depending upon what system the entity has entered, to be sure. It may be completed in any of the many systems.
(09:59:20) (Bill) “Q-9: Must the solar cycle be finished on earth, or can it be completed on another planet, or does each planet have a cycle of its own which must be finished?
(09:59:38) (Bill) “A-9: If it is begun on the earth it must be finished on the earth. The solar system of which the earth is a part is only a portion of the whole. For, as indicated in the number of planets about the earth, they are of one and the same ~~ they are relative one to another. It is the cycle of the whole system that is finished, see?
(10:00:24) (Bill) “Q-10: This problem concerns the pattern made by parents at conception. Should it be said that this pattern attracts a certain soul because it approximates conditions which that soul wishes to work with?
(10:00:25) (Lory) So, one life time on earth is impossible.
(10:01:03) (Bill) “A-10: It approximates conditions. It does not set. For the individual entity or soul, given the opportunity, has its own free will to work in our out of those problems as presented by that very union. Yet the very union, of course, attracts or brings a channel or an opportunity for the expression of an individual entity.
(10:01:35) (ron) boy, did i make a mistake
(10:01:45) (Lory) lol
(10:01:53) (Bill) “Q-11: Does the incoming soul take on of necessity some of the parents’ karma?
(10:02:02) (Leon) You got me laughing again
(10:02:09) (Bill) “A-11: Because of its relative relationship to same, yes. Otherwise, no.
(10:02:25) (Bill) “Q-12: Does the soul itself have an earthly pattern which fits back into the one created by the parents?
(10:02:52) (Bill) “A-12: Just as indicated, it is relative ~~ as one related to another and because of the union of activities they are brought into the pattern. For in such there is the explanation of universal or divine laws, which are ever one and the same; as indicated in the expression that God moved within Himself and then He didn’t change, though did bring to Himself that of His own being made, crucified even in the flesh.
(10:03:47) (Bill) “Q-13: Are there several patterns which a soul might take on, depending on what phase of development it is wished to work on ~~ i.e., could a soul choose to be one of several personalities, any of which would fit its individuality?
(10:04:13) (Bill) “A-13: Correct.
(10:04:23) (Bill) “Q-14: Is the average fulfillment of the soul’s expectation more or less than fifty per cent?
(10:04:43) (Bill) “A-14: It’s a continuous advancement, so it is more than fifty per cent.
(10:04:52) (Lory) Q-13 it really interesting.
(10:04:58) (Bill) thats good news :o)
(10:05:12) (Bill) “Q-15: Are heredity, environment and will equal factors in aiding or retarding the entity’s development?
(10:05:36) (Bill) “A-15: Will is the greatest factor, for it may overcome any or all of the others; provided that will is made one with the patter, see? No influence or heredity, environment or what not, surpasses the will; else why would there have been that pattern shown in which the individual soul, no matter how far astray it may have gone, may enter with Him into the holy of holies?
(10:06:11) (Lory) Proof of forgiveness.
(10:06:38) (Bill) “Q-16: The problem which concerns the proper symbols, or similes, for the Master, the Christ. Should Jesus be described as the soul Who first went through the cycle of earthly lives to attain perfection, including perfection in the planetary lives also?
(10:07:04) (Bill) “A-16: He should be. This is as the man, see?
(10:07:18) (Bill) “Q-17: Should this be described as a voluntary mission (of) One Who was already perfected and returned to God, having accomplished His Oneness in other planets and systems?
(10:07:35) (Bill) “A-17: Correct.
(10:08:14) (Bill) “Q-18: Should the Christ-consciousness be described as the awareness within each soul, imprinted in pattern on the mind and waiting to be awakened by the will, of the soul’s oneness with God?
(10:08:32) (Bill) “A-18: Correct. That’s the idea exactly.
(10:08:45) (Bill) “Q-19: Please list the names of the incarnations of the Christ, as Jesus, indicating where the development of the man Jesus began.
(10:09:03) (Bill) “A-19: First, in the beginning, of course, then as Enoch, Melchizedek, in the perfection. Then in the earth as Joseph, Joshua, Jeshua, Jesus.
(10:09:28) (Lory) This is only a partial list.
(10:09:35) (Leon) the J's have it
(10:09:40) (Bill) “Q-20: Concerning the factors of soul evolution. Should mind, the builder, be described as the last development because it should not unfold until it has a firm foundation of emotional virtues?
(10:10:18) (Bill) “A-20: This might be answered Yes and No, both. But if it is presented in that there is kept, willfully, see, that desire to be in at-one-ment, then it is necessary for that attainment before it recognizes mind as the way.
(10:10:56) (Bill) “Q-21: A problem that concerns a parallel with Christianity. Is Gnosticism the closest type of Christianity to that which is given through this source?
(10:11:31) (Bill) “A-21: This is a parallel, and was the commonly accepted one until there began to be set rules in which there were attempts to take short cuts. And there are none in Christianity.
(10:12:00) (Bill) “Q-22: What action of the early church, or council, and be mentioned as that which ruled (out) reincarnation from Christian theology?
(10:12:34) (Bill) “A-22: Just as indicated, ~~ the attempts of individuals to accept or take advantage of, because of this knowledge, see?
(10:12:50) (Bill) “Q-23: Do souls become entangled in other systems as they did in this system?
(10:13:00) (Bill) “A-23: In other systems that represent the same as the earth does in this system, yes.
(10:13:28) (Bill) “Q-24: Is there any other advice which may be given to this entity at this time in the preparation of these chapters?
(10:13:47) (Bill) “A-24: Hold fast to that ideal, using Him ever as the Ideal. And hold up that necessity for each to meet the same problems. And do not attempt to shed or to surpass (sidestep) or go around the Cross. This is that upon which each and every soul must look and know it is to be borne in self with Him.” (5749-14.)
(10:14:24) (Bill) The readings tell us that it was because of God’s desire for companionship and expression that He ‘moved’ and divided or separated Himself, creating His first Son, the Christ, the Light, the Word. The Christ, then WAS IN the beginning.
(10:14:54) (Bill) (‘The beginning’ depicted by Moses is the beginning of the sphere called earth and its solar system.) The exemplary manner in which the first Son exercised His free will, first when in spirit and later when in physical expression in the earth, even when as Adam, enabled Him to reclaim His Christhood when, as Jesus, He died on the Cross.
(10:15:49) (Bill) . The first Son became as man in the earth. Through the ideal and purpose held He worked His way backand, as the Christed-one, He is now able to project His Christed-consciousness to the individual, to us.
(10:16:47) (Bill) The End for this evening hope it was of benifit to each of you.
(10:17:08) (Cris) Thanks Bill I really enjoyed your lesson
(10:17:10) (ron) very enlightening bill...with much appreciation
(10:17:23) (Roz) yes Bill I need to be reminded
(10:17:33) (Lory) Those direct questions and answers are realy helpful.
(10:17:46) (merri) raises as many questions as it answers
(10:18:00) (Lory) touche, merri
(10:18:20) (Bill) :o) Merri some times we get a little side tract when we work our minds overtime :o)
(10:19:54) (Leon) To me this section, which I've read before raises as many questions as those given answers.
(10:24:34) (merri) could you clarify something for me Bill
(10:42:10) (Bill) well my time is up Love and Light to each of you and thank you for the partisapation!
(09:32:18) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:32:18) (Cris) Amen
(09:32:26) (merri) Amen
(09:32:41) (ron) amen
(09:33:46) (Bill) okay a couple posts from last wk. then on to new stuff
(09:33:50) (Bill) “ . . . Mind is the Builder, being both spiritual and material; and the consciousness of same reaches man only in his awareness of his consciousness through the senses of his physical being.” (826-11.)
(09:34:07) (Bill) “Then a soul, the offspring of a Creator, entering into a consciousness that became a manifestation in any plane or sphere of activity, given that free will for its use of those abilities, qualities, conditions in its experience, demonstrates, manifests, shows forth, that it reflects in its activity towards that First Cause.” (5753-1.)
(09:34:59) (Bill) i think you'll find most of the question you ask your self this evening will be answered in following posts
(09:35:18) (Bill) So soon as man contemplates his free will he thinks of it as a means of doing the opposite of God’s will, though he finds that only by doing God’s will does he find happiness. Yet, the notion of serving God sits ill with him, for he sees it as a sacrifice of his will.
(09:35:45) (Bill) Only in disillusion and suffering, in time, space, and patience, does he come to the wisdom that his real will is the will of God, and in its practice is happiness and heaven.
(09:36:16) (Bill) “Mind is the active force in an animate object; that is the spark or image of the Maker. “Mind is the factor that is in direct opposition to will. “Mind, being that control of or being the spark of the Maker, the will ~~ the individual, when we reach the place of man.
(09:36:49) (Bill) “Mind being and is the factor governing the contention ~~ or the interlaying space, if you please ~~ between the physical and the soul, and the soul to the spirit forces within the individual ~~ or animate forces.” (3744-1.)
(09:37:17) (Bill) “Q-4. Is the body aware of the destiny of the physical body at birth?
(09:37:30) (Bill) “A-4. God Himself knows not what man will destine to do with himself, else would He have repented that he had made man! He has given man free will. MAN destines the body!” (262-86.)
(09:37:58) (Bill) Man may hold an ideal at the time of birth that would determine his destiny.
(09:38:15) (Bill) “Q-1. Explain, ‘Mind is the factor that is in direct opposition to will’.
(09:38:32) (Bill) “A-1. We have many phases of mind. We have the mind of the spirit consciousness, of the physical consciousness, or soul. We have the mind of the physical body, through which any or all of these may manifest.
(09:38:56) (Bill) “The will is that active principle against which such manifestations respond. Hence it is in direct opposition to mind action. This, we find, then refers to the condition in the material world ~~ WILL, you see.
(09:39:48) (Bill) The will in the spiritual plane or spirit consciousness ~~ (not spirit entity) ~~ being the creation of that manifested in the earth plane. Hence the different conditions in will’s manifesting and in how will is in opposition to the mind force.
(09:40:24) (Bill) “Knowledge comes through the senses in the physical body to the conscious mind. The subconscious has the storing of the knowledge of given conditions. When the consciousness receives, through the senses, that knowledge, the will is the action against the incentive set forth. . . .”(900-21.)
(09:41:05) (Bill) “Q-3. Is it the destiny of every spiritual entity to become eventually one with God?
(09:41:28) (Bill) “A-3. Unless that entity wills its banishment. As is given with man: in giving of the soul, the will, wherewith to manifest in the entity whether the spiritual, whether material. With that the entity ~~ either spiritual or physical ~~ may banish itself. Again a compliance with law. As has been given, hell was prepared for Satan and his angels.
(09:41:32) (Roz) good question
(09:42:06) (Bill) Yet God has not WILLED that ANY soul should perish. Giving of will to His creation, MAN, that man might be one with Him. As in destiny, meaning a law, compliance with a law, destined to be subject, or being the law.” (900-20.)
(09:42:41) (Bill) The following reading (5749-14.), was given to Thomas Sugrue, and was the basis for the chapter on the philosophy of the readings in ‘There Is A River’. Mr.Sugrue’s biography of Edgar Cayce.
(09:43:02) (Cris) We are the ones to make the ultimate choice of our destiny being given eery change to chose light
(09:43:58) (Bill) yes Cris we are given every oppotunity to be the Law as to being opposed to the Law
(09:44:22) (Bill) “(5749-14.) HLC: You will have before you the inquiring mind of the entity, Thomas Sugrue, present in this room, and certain of the problems which confront him in composing the manuscript of THERE IS A RIVER.
(09:44:45) (Bill) “The entity is now ready to describe the philosophical concepts which have been given through this source, and wishes to parallel and align them with know religious tenets, especially those of Christian theology.
(09:44:57) (Leon) Cris, I can choose what to eat , when to lay down to rest but with the limited knowledge I have, I'll need someone or something to hold my hand.
(09:45:27) (Bill) “The entity does not wish to set forth a system of thought, nor to imply that all questions of a philosophical nature can be answered through this source ~~ the limitations of the finite mind preventing this.
(09:45:38) (Roz) yu have the Holy spirit to guide you
(09:45:52) (Bill) . But the entity wishes to answer those questions which will naturally arise in the mind of the reader, and many of the questions which are being asked by all people in the world today.
(09:46:22) (Bill) “Therefore, the entity presents certain problems and questions, which you will answer as befits the entity’s understanding and the task of interpretation before him.
(09:46:23) (Leon) Yes, indeed!!
(09:46:46) (Bill) “MR. C: Yes, we have the inquiring mind, Thomas Sugrue, and those problems, those questions that arise in the mind of the entity at this period. Ready for questions.
(09:47:08) (Bill) “Q-1: The first problem concerns the reason for creation. Should this be given as God’s desire to experience Himself, God’s desire for companionship, God’s desire for expression, or in some other way?
(09:47:32) (Bill) “A-1: God’s desire for companionship and expression.
(09:47:51) (Bill) “Q-2: The second problem concerns that which is variously called evil, darkness, negation, sin. Should it be said that this condition existed as a necessary element of creation, and the soul, given free-will, found itself with the power to indulge in it, or lose itself in it?
(09:48:14) (Bill) Or should it be said that this is a condition created by the activity of the soul itself? Should it be described, in either case, as a state of consciousness, a gradual lack of awareness of self and self’s relation to God?
(09:48:41) (Bill) “A-2: It is the free will and its losing itself in its relationship to God.
(09:48:55) (Roz) we are given free will to choose darkness
(09:49:03) (Bill) “Q-3: The third problem has to do with the fall of man. Should this be described as something which was inevitable in the destiny of souls, or something which God did not desire but which He did not prevent once He had given free will?
(09:49:26) (Bill) The problem here is to reconcile the omniscience of God and His knowledge of all things with the free will of the soul and the soul’s fall from grace.
(09:49:55) (Bill) “A-3: He did not prevent, once having given free will. For He made the individual entities or souls in the beginning. For the beginnings of sin, of course, were in seeking expression of themselves outside of the plan or the way in which God had expressed same.
(09:50:24) (Bill) Thus it was the individual, see? “Having given free will, then ~~ though having the foreknowledge, though being omnipotent and omnipresent ~~ it is only when the soul, that is a portion of God, chooses that God knows the end thereof.
(09:51:09) (Bill) “Q-4: The fourth problem concerns man’s tenancy on earth. Was it originally intended that souls remain out of earthly forms, and were the races originated as a necessity resulting from error?
(09:51:32) (Bill) “A-4: The earth and its manifestations were only the expression of God and not necessarily as a place of tenancy for the souls of man, until man was created to meet the needs of existing conditions.
(09:52:31) (Bill) “Q-5: The fifth problem concerns an explanation of the Life Readings. From a study of these it seems that there is a trend downward from early incarnations toward greater earthliness and less mentality.
(09:52:32) (Lory) This is proof of more than one cretion.
(09:53:04) (Bill) Then there is a swing upward, accompanied by suffering, patience, and understanding. Is this the normal pattern, which results in virtue and oneness with God obtained by free will and mind?
(09:53:38) (Bill) “A-5: This is correct. It is the pattern as it is set in Him.
(09:54:03) (Bill) “Q-6: The sixth problem concerns inter-planetary and inter-system dwelling between earthly lives. It was given through this source that the entity Edgar Cayce, after the experience as Uhjtld, went to the system of Arcturus, and then returned to earth. Does this indicate a usual or unusual step in soul evolution”
(09:54:44) (Bill) “A-6: An indicated, or has been indicated in other sources besides this one as respecting this very problem, ~~ Arcturus is that which may be called the center of this universe, through which individuals pass and at which period there comes the choice of the individual as to whether it is to return to complete there
(09:55:17) (Bill) ~~ that is, in this planetary system . . . or to pass on to others. This was an unusual step, and yet a usual one.
(09:55:23) (Lory) Interesting ron.
(09:55:42) (ron) what lory?
(09:55:45) (Lory) Arcturus as the center of this universe.
(09:55:58) (ron) yes...lory...very interesting
(09:56:04) (Bill) “Q-7: The seventh problem concerns implications from the sixth problem. Is it necessary to finish the solar system cycle before going to other systems?
(09:56:54) (Bill) “A-7: Necessary to finish the solar cycle.
(09:57:16) (Bill) the wording actually indicates more than one universe
(09:57:33) (Lory) Yes, it does, Bill
(09:57:38) (Bill) “Q-8: Can oneness be attained ~~ or the finish of evolution reached ~~ on any system, or must it be in a particular one?
(09:58:16) (Leon) one universe-- a billion solar systems
(09:58:23) (Bill) “A-8: Depending upon what system the entity has entered, to be sure. It may be completed in any of the many systems.
(09:59:20) (Bill) “Q-9: Must the solar cycle be finished on earth, or can it be completed on another planet, or does each planet have a cycle of its own which must be finished?
(09:59:38) (Bill) “A-9: If it is begun on the earth it must be finished on the earth. The solar system of which the earth is a part is only a portion of the whole. For, as indicated in the number of planets about the earth, they are of one and the same ~~ they are relative one to another. It is the cycle of the whole system that is finished, see?
(10:00:24) (Bill) “Q-10: This problem concerns the pattern made by parents at conception. Should it be said that this pattern attracts a certain soul because it approximates conditions which that soul wishes to work with?
(10:00:25) (Lory) So, one life time on earth is impossible.
(10:01:03) (Bill) “A-10: It approximates conditions. It does not set. For the individual entity or soul, given the opportunity, has its own free will to work in our out of those problems as presented by that very union. Yet the very union, of course, attracts or brings a channel or an opportunity for the expression of an individual entity.
(10:01:35) (ron) boy, did i make a mistake
(10:01:45) (Lory) lol
(10:01:53) (Bill) “Q-11: Does the incoming soul take on of necessity some of the parents’ karma?
(10:02:02) (Leon) You got me laughing again
(10:02:09) (Bill) “A-11: Because of its relative relationship to same, yes. Otherwise, no.
(10:02:25) (Bill) “Q-12: Does the soul itself have an earthly pattern which fits back into the one created by the parents?
(10:02:52) (Bill) “A-12: Just as indicated, it is relative ~~ as one related to another and because of the union of activities they are brought into the pattern. For in such there is the explanation of universal or divine laws, which are ever one and the same; as indicated in the expression that God moved within Himself and then He didn’t change, though did bring to Himself that of His own being made, crucified even in the flesh.
(10:03:47) (Bill) “Q-13: Are there several patterns which a soul might take on, depending on what phase of development it is wished to work on ~~ i.e., could a soul choose to be one of several personalities, any of which would fit its individuality?
(10:04:13) (Bill) “A-13: Correct.
(10:04:23) (Bill) “Q-14: Is the average fulfillment of the soul’s expectation more or less than fifty per cent?
(10:04:43) (Bill) “A-14: It’s a continuous advancement, so it is more than fifty per cent.
(10:04:52) (Lory) Q-13 it really interesting.
(10:04:58) (Bill) thats good news :o)
(10:05:12) (Bill) “Q-15: Are heredity, environment and will equal factors in aiding or retarding the entity’s development?
(10:05:36) (Bill) “A-15: Will is the greatest factor, for it may overcome any or all of the others; provided that will is made one with the patter, see? No influence or heredity, environment or what not, surpasses the will; else why would there have been that pattern shown in which the individual soul, no matter how far astray it may have gone, may enter with Him into the holy of holies?
(10:06:11) (Lory) Proof of forgiveness.
(10:06:38) (Bill) “Q-16: The problem which concerns the proper symbols, or similes, for the Master, the Christ. Should Jesus be described as the soul Who first went through the cycle of earthly lives to attain perfection, including perfection in the planetary lives also?
(10:07:04) (Bill) “A-16: He should be. This is as the man, see?
(10:07:18) (Bill) “Q-17: Should this be described as a voluntary mission (of) One Who was already perfected and returned to God, having accomplished His Oneness in other planets and systems?
(10:07:35) (Bill) “A-17: Correct.
(10:08:14) (Bill) “Q-18: Should the Christ-consciousness be described as the awareness within each soul, imprinted in pattern on the mind and waiting to be awakened by the will, of the soul’s oneness with God?
(10:08:32) (Bill) “A-18: Correct. That’s the idea exactly.
(10:08:45) (Bill) “Q-19: Please list the names of the incarnations of the Christ, as Jesus, indicating where the development of the man Jesus began.
(10:09:03) (Bill) “A-19: First, in the beginning, of course, then as Enoch, Melchizedek, in the perfection. Then in the earth as Joseph, Joshua, Jeshua, Jesus.
(10:09:28) (Lory) This is only a partial list.
(10:09:35) (Leon) the J's have it
(10:09:40) (Bill) “Q-20: Concerning the factors of soul evolution. Should mind, the builder, be described as the last development because it should not unfold until it has a firm foundation of emotional virtues?
(10:10:18) (Bill) “A-20: This might be answered Yes and No, both. But if it is presented in that there is kept, willfully, see, that desire to be in at-one-ment, then it is necessary for that attainment before it recognizes mind as the way.
(10:10:56) (Bill) “Q-21: A problem that concerns a parallel with Christianity. Is Gnosticism the closest type of Christianity to that which is given through this source?
(10:11:31) (Bill) “A-21: This is a parallel, and was the commonly accepted one until there began to be set rules in which there were attempts to take short cuts. And there are none in Christianity.
(10:12:00) (Bill) “Q-22: What action of the early church, or council, and be mentioned as that which ruled (out) reincarnation from Christian theology?
(10:12:34) (Bill) “A-22: Just as indicated, ~~ the attempts of individuals to accept or take advantage of, because of this knowledge, see?
(10:12:50) (Bill) “Q-23: Do souls become entangled in other systems as they did in this system?
(10:13:00) (Bill) “A-23: In other systems that represent the same as the earth does in this system, yes.
(10:13:28) (Bill) “Q-24: Is there any other advice which may be given to this entity at this time in the preparation of these chapters?
(10:13:47) (Bill) “A-24: Hold fast to that ideal, using Him ever as the Ideal. And hold up that necessity for each to meet the same problems. And do not attempt to shed or to surpass (sidestep) or go around the Cross. This is that upon which each and every soul must look and know it is to be borne in self with Him.” (5749-14.)
(10:14:24) (Bill) The readings tell us that it was because of God’s desire for companionship and expression that He ‘moved’ and divided or separated Himself, creating His first Son, the Christ, the Light, the Word. The Christ, then WAS IN the beginning.
(10:14:54) (Bill) (‘The beginning’ depicted by Moses is the beginning of the sphere called earth and its solar system.) The exemplary manner in which the first Son exercised His free will, first when in spirit and later when in physical expression in the earth, even when as Adam, enabled Him to reclaim His Christhood when, as Jesus, He died on the Cross.
(10:15:49) (Bill) . The first Son became as man in the earth. Through the ideal and purpose held He worked His way backand, as the Christed-one, He is now able to project His Christed-consciousness to the individual, to us.
(10:16:47) (Bill) The End for this evening hope it was of benifit to each of you.
(10:17:08) (Cris) Thanks Bill I really enjoyed your lesson
(10:17:10) (ron) very enlightening bill...with much appreciation
(10:17:23) (Roz) yes Bill I need to be reminded
(10:17:33) (Lory) Those direct questions and answers are realy helpful.
(10:17:46) (merri) raises as many questions as it answers
(10:18:00) (Lory) touche, merri
(10:18:20) (Bill) :o) Merri some times we get a little side tract when we work our minds overtime :o)
(10:19:54) (Leon) To me this section, which I've read before raises as many questions as those given answers.
(10:24:34) (merri) could you clarify something for me Bill
(10:42:10) (Bill) well my time is up Love and Light to each of you and thank you for the partisapation!
