Post by WalksInSpirit on Feb 5, 2007 15:34:46 GMT -5
Angels/Astrology/Mysticism: 02-05-07
(02:19:13) (ron) i'll continue where i left off with angels and archangels from outside sources and then finish off with comments from the Readings....this may take another session
(02:20:46) (ron) last friday i was doing biblical references on satan...so there :)
(02:21:14) (ron) WHERE IS SATAN?
(02:22:18) (Roz) lives in our choices to choose darkness
(02:22:33) (ron) as a matter of fact, some of you don't have to complete text on angels i have given...WIS, you just might want the missing parts as text only as part of your chat section...if so let me know
(02:22:34) (WalksInSpirit) Ol Scratch. ;-)
(02:23:56) (ron) He is at liberty to go to and from in the heavenlies and on earth. Does this shock you?
(02:24:24) (ron) When the Lord said to Satan ... "Whence comest thou?" ... Satan replied, "From going to and fro in the earth and from walking up and down in it." (Job 1:7, 2:2).
(02:24:48) (ron) Satan then was at liberty "on the earth", and had/has access to God. The book of Revelation is a prophecy of "Things to Come", and as the Apostle John saw the vision, Satan was not bound yet.
(02:26:23) (ron) Satan is the Deceiver, and he deceives by blinding the eyes of the world.
(02:26:39) (ron) We read in 2 Cor 4:3-4 - But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
(02:27:00) (ron) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
(02:27:21) (ron) Satan has his preachers who preach another gospel. (Gal 1:6-9 - I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
(02:27:42) (ron) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
(02:28:08) (ron) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
(02:28:37) (ron) As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
(02:29:02) (ron) Let's check out what Satan has done as recorded in the Bible from Gen 3:15 to Rev 20:10.
(02:29:04) (Blu) pretty strong words
(02:29:33) (ron) Satan tempts Eve, ... she eats, and thus Adam with her. They are both cast out of the Garden ... 1st victory scored for Satan.
(02:29:50) (ron) Satan enters Cain (mind) ... The result, Abel is murdered. ... 2nd victory for Satan.
(02:30:04) (ron) The "Sons of God" at Satan's instigation marry the "daughters of men" ... result, The Flood of the world. ... victory number 3 for Satan. ,,,,, Note that the Sons of God are NOT those spoken of in the New Testament. For the New Testament when speaking about Sons of God is in reality speaking of those who are now "Born Again" Spiritually in Christ.
(02:30:05) (diane) catchey, Roz. lol
(02:30:51) (ron) Noah delivered from the flood is tempted to drink, yields, and a curse falls on Ham. ... victory number four for Satan ... He is on a roll.
(02:31:10) (ron) People multiply and Satan fills their hearts with pride and presumption. The tower of Babel is built ... the result, the "Confusion of Tongues", and the unity of the human race broken up. ... This makes victory number five for Satan.
(02:31:32) (ron) Then God calls Abraham ... which through the promised "Seed of the Woman" is to come. Sarah can not bare child. and when Isaac is born, Satan is in hopes that his father will slain him on Mt. Moriah. But God intervenes and provides a sacrifice.
(02:31:57) (ron) Satan hopes that with Esau and Jacob that it would be another murder as it was with Cain & Abel. But is does not happen.
(02:32:16) (ron) When the time came for Moses (the Deliverer of the children of Israel), Satan put in the heart of Pharaoh that all male Hebrew children be killed at birth.
(02:32:38) (ron) Satan trys all he can to stop the generational family tree of Jesus, and birth of Christ. Satan prompted Herod to kill all male children under age 2 at Bethlehem.
(02:32:56) (ron) It was Satan himself who tried to over-come Christ Jesus when Jesus was weakened in the wilderness. It was Satan who suggested to Jesus that he throw Himself down from the Pinnacle of the Temple. Satan tried to kill Jesus in the two storms on Galilee, but Jesus over came.
(02:34:04) (Roz) there is no word for Satan in Hebrew it means missing the mark
(02:34:08) (ron) of course, these are fundamentalist views...i see the controlling of the air/wind and water, as deomonstrations of earth (self) mastery
(02:34:47) (Roz) and came in to the language when they werecaptured by the Babylonians
(02:35:01) (ron) Satan sought and still even tried to kill Jesus amid the shades of Gethsemane by physical weakness before He (Jesus) could reach the cross. Remember that Jesus was unrecognizable because he had been beaten so terribly bad. Yet within God's plan, Jesus still had the strenght to finish God's plan of salvation.
(02:35:41) (ron) Now, check this out. Jesus died on the cross. And Satan surely thought that he had Wednesday, January 22, 2003 finally won and that he had conquered. ,,, BUT , when Christ rose from the dead, He (JESUS) beat Satan, and death.
(02:36:54) (ron) what happened on jan 22 2003?
(02:37:05) (diane) ????
(02:37:18) (Lynn) Shall I say?
(02:37:46) (ron) maybe we might find that out soon...or, maybe we won't :)...this writer at times...
(02:37:55) (Blu) I don't know Ron, what happen?
(02:38:09) (ron) i'm asking the same question
(02:38:09) (Lynn) Jesus descended into hell, preached the gospel, liberated souls and took captivity captive
(02:38:30) (Lynn) I can look it up if you want. It's in the good book
(02:38:34) (ron) Note ... Just as we can not ascertain how much more love that God the Father has for us ... likewise, we can not grasp nor understand how much hate Satan has.
(02:38:50) (ron) My friend, don't be blinded by Satan's lies and deceiving ways.
(02:39:01) (ron) Receive Jesus into your heart and life, ... for Jesus is the way the truth and the life ... and no one can get into heaven without Him.
(02:39:45) (ron) now thru with this section...i was not very impressed with his presentation....now, next section continuing with angels
(02:39:48) (Lynn) It's not what you know. It's WHO (Jesus) you know. LOL
(02:40:08) (ron) ANGELS AND ARCHANGELS
(02:40:24) (ron) Angels are all around us. The Jewish Talmud states that, “every blade of grass has it’s own little angel saying, ‘grow, grow, grow.’” Angels were created by the Ancient of Days to assist as needed. Sometimes as an ambassador from ‘above’ and sometimes as an aide here ‘below’. Angels are here to assist us, humans, on our path.
(02:41:04) (ron) Angels have only one mission and do not have the free will to change that purpose. They are direct manifestations of the Creator and have no will separate from that of their source. Some angels are to help grass grow and others are to help us grow. Angels can not interfere with our lives we must ask them for assistance. Angels work very closely with the kingdoms of Earth.
(02:41:44) (ron) well, i have my own view regarding the will's of angels
(02:41:53) (ron) but that is for another time
(02:42:24) (ron) There is a sort of hierarchy in the angelic kingdom. Archangels govern Angels; the archangels are the directors, and the angelic hosts do the work. The angelic evolution is a parallel to that of human beings.
(02:42:51) (ron) there is an hierarchy of all life
(02:43:13) (ron) Because angels do not have free will, they are not self-conscious as humans are. They evolve through our evolution rather than through the power of conscious thought. It is important to understand that there are angels working in all the dimensions of reality.
(02:43:29) (ron) i disagree
(02:43:33) (ron) again
(02:43:55) (ron) i just wanted to express my view for a later time
(02:44:20) (ron) When people think of angels they are usually thinking of the archangels who sit at the throne of the Ancient of Days. Angels are genderless; they have both male and female characteristics. The word angel itself is derived from the Greek word “angelos” which means messenger. They are the messengers of the Universe.
(02:44:45) (ron) Angels can incarnate into physical bodies, if asked by the Creator, and take on human form, so some of the people you know might actually be angels rather than humans.
(02:45:29) (Blu) There is an old man I see occassionally that I wonder about
(02:45:57) (ron) there have been a few of the opposite sex that i called an angel, i soon discovered or became aware of my state of ignorance :)
(02:46:11) (Lynn) LOL
(02:46:12) (Blu) LOLOLOLOL @ Ron
(02:46:26) (WalksInSpirit) LOL Ron
(02:46:57) (ron) There are many different kinds of angels. Each person has a guardian angel. Again, they can not interfere unless you ask them for help. Sometimes you hear your angel as a whisper or a ‘knowing’ what to do or not do, where to go or not go, etc.
(02:47:05) (ron) you can say that again
(02:47:11) (Lynn) hey, ron, how about this? Angels can incarnate into physical bodies, if asked by the Creator, and take on human form
(02:47:15) (Roz) oh ron they probably were yu just couldnt see it then
(02:47:32) (ron) yes, why not
(02:47:39) (Lynn) cut and pasted from your posting
(02:48:27) (ron) There are infinite numbers of angels who work with humans and are available. There are angels of healing, illumination, creativity, nature, music, dance, writing and literature, protection, emotions, science, technology, devotion, purity, information, environment, transformation, peace, art, relationships, and magic.
(02:48:56) (ron) All you really have to do is invoke them and they are happy to come and serve. Although, they can not do something that is not in your highest good.
(02:49:06) (Roz) Lynn recall what happened in the book of Enoch when they took on physical form?
(02:49:22) (Lynn) Yet there are those who say some angels cannot incarnate?
(02:49:24) (ron) The Archangels have a higher ‘rank’ than the other angels. It is the archangels whose names you are most likely to be familiar with. There are many archangels as well, some you may not be familiar with and too many to name here.
(02:49:49) (Roz) they are a different realm
(02:50:08) (ron) Some of these archangels are: Metatron, Raziel, Zaphkiel, Zadkiel, Chamuel, Michael, Haniel, Raphael, Gabriel, Uriel, Jophiel, Ariel.
(02:50:10) (Lynn) As you say......
(02:50:32) (ron) Angels and Archangels are here for our assistance and growth. Find out more about them and ask them to be involved in your life. Remember, you must ask for their help.
(02:50:46) (ron) ARCHANGELS AND ASTROLOGY
(02:50:58) (ron) Are you unsure which archangel covers your birth sign?
(02:51:10) (ron) Your astrological archangels can be called on to help you with every day problems. Your astrological archangels have similar personality traits to yourself, and you'll find them very accommodating when you need help.
(02:51:13) (Roz) didnt know one did ron
(02:51:14) (Blu) Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
(02:51:20) (Lynn) Tell me of Scorpio's angel. LOL
(02:51:26) (Blu) hebrews
(02:52:19) (ron) another words, be sure to be kind and generous when a person crosses your path and asks for a fewe cents to buy a coffee...:))
(02:52:24) (diane) also the title of a good little book, Blu...Angel Unaware...by Dale Evens
(02:52:54) (diane) Tells about the loss of their child, real tearjerker
(02:53:24) (ron) and if he or she asks you for a dollar to buy a coffee, give him or her five dollars
(02:53:51) (diane) Or better yet, go and get coffee & bring it back to him!
(02:54:07) (true_eagle) is that roy rogers wife ..diane ?
(02:54:19) (diane) It is, mike
(02:54:27) (true_eagle) ty
(02:54:36) (Blu) I have an old man that comes to the store on a regular basis to pan handle. I am suppose to call the Store director and he is supposed to come and throw him out. So i give him money, and time...then I call the store director and tell him he is in the store. I usually wait for him to have enough time to make his rounds first!
(02:55:02) (ron) Aquarius If you're an Aquarian your astrological birth sign archangels are Chamuel and Zadkiel. Archangel Chamuel and Archangel Zadkiel are compassionate and independent archangels and they're associated with the planet Uranus.
(02:55:12) (diane) Oh, I like that, Blu
(02:55:19) (Blu) he hee
(02:55:28) (Blu) cover my bases
(02:55:40) (ron) Pisces Being a Pisces, your characteristics are receptive and subtle, Your archangels associated with these attributes is said to be Raphael and Raziel. The planets that are said to rule Pisceans are Neptune and Saturn.
(02:56:09) (ron) Aries Being assertive and demanding are an Arian's personality traits, and to help assist you, you'll find Archangel Abdiel and Archangel Uriel. The planet said to be most connected to Arians is Mars.
(02:56:19) (Blu) I worry about him in this weather, I have never seen him in a heavy coat
(02:56:36) (ron) Taurus Taurean personality traits are said to be honorable and determined. The ruling planet of Taurus is Venus and Taureans share the same archangels as Arians. Archangel Uriel and Abdiel.
(02:57:07) (ron) Gemini If you're a Gemini, you have the ability to adapt very quickly to new surroundings. Your mind is positive, strong and you'll find you'll have a natural ability with reading, writing, working on computers. You'll also love to travel a lot. Communication and expression. Your ruling planet is Mercury.
(02:57:18) (ron) Archangel Michael is said to rule over Mercury and your Astrological Archangels are Raguel and Gabriel. So if you need help, you could call on Raguel, Gabriel or even Michael to help you. on is your core personality traits.
(02:58:02) (ron) Cancer Cancerians are by nature very caring, emotional and highly intuitive people. Creative fields are best suited to Cancerians, so Art, Singing, Acting, Drawing, Painting, Poetry and Teaching are all areas that you would excel in.
(02:58:16) (ron) The reason for you being so emotional is due to the fact that, the astrological sign of Cancer is ruled by the Moon. Archangel Gabriel is said to rule over this planet, and helping him you'll find Archangel Ariel and Archangel Haniel.
(02:58:48) (ron) Leo Ambitious and commanding are the characteristic traits found in Leo's. The powerful presence of a Leo is said to be down to the ruling planet the Sun, which is overlooked by Archangel Michael and Archangel Gabriel. Also helping out in this astrological area is Archangel Haniel.
(02:59:18) (ron) Virgo Analysis and research are your strong points. You'll try to go deeply into things and look for the finer points. Your ruling planet is Mercury, and if you've been reading the over astrological archangels, you'll see that Archangel Michael, seems to be very busy, as he's said to also rule over the planet of Mercury.
(03:00:01) (ron) To help Michael you'll find archangel Sariel who's name means 'God's Command'. You may also find Sariel referred to as, archangel Suriel and archangel Saraqel. Virgo's make great diplomats and researchers.
(03:00:27) (ron) Libra Your ruling planet is Venus, your personality traits are steady, diplomatic and easy to get on with. True Librans have a very levelheaded intellectual capacity, and they tend to get on with nearly everyone.
(03:00:52) (ron) The only downside is that if you err towards negative things, you can become a nagger. Venus is said to be ruled by Archangel Aniel (sometimes known as Archangel Anael.) Helping him you'll find Archangel Azrael and Archangel Jeremiel.
(03:01:36) (ron) this writer seems to me, doesn't have much astrological knowledge....could have used better descriptive words
(03:02:16) (ron) Scorpio Being a Scorpio myself, I can agree that my personality traits are passionate, inspiring and most of all, Scorpio's love to be noticed. Our ruling planet is Pluto and our astrological archangels are Michael and Uriel.
(03:02:59) (ron) Sagittarius If you're a Sagittarius, your core personality traits are likely to be courageous, ambitious and full of drive. You tend to be an optimist and your ruling planet is Jupiter which is overseen by Archangel Zadkiel (sometimes referred to as Archangel Zachariel). Your responding archangels are archangel Jophiel and archangel Ariel.
(03:03:44) (ron) Capricorn As a Capricorn, your core personality traits are a strong ability to think and you can understand the human nature the way no one else does. They also have the ability to analyze and understand any concept well and shall possess a good memory. If you need a disciplined and dutiful person, a Capricorn is the person for you.
(03:04:05) (ron) that me :)
(03:04:20) (ron) The ruling planet of Capricorn is Saturn which is over seen by Archangel Zaphiel (whose name means 'Righteousness of God'). Archangels you should look to for help if you're a Capricorn are Archangel Metatron and Archangel Sandalphon.
(03:05:01) (ron) they always say nice things about capricorn...but believe me, life has not been that easy...'grittin teeth over here'
(03:06:11) (diane) Call on your Angel for help, ron
(03:06:16) (ron) i'd like take a llittle break and start on anther topic....i will continue with angels with my next opportunity
(03:06:26) (ron) ok diane :)
(03:07:09) (diane) Good...Conjure up that old Zaphiel, Metron & Sandalphon
(03:07:20) (ron) i should finish this with the next session
(03:07:31) (Blu) I am going with the idea that the rising sign is more accurate at times as to your inner being
(03:07:51) (ron) ok diane i will, i promise...yes, yes, i will.....i swear it
(03:07:59) (ron) swearing over here
(03:08:26) (diane) :-) And make sure ya do!
(03:09:40) (ron) very good thought blu...the rising sign is the most obvious because that is the sign that all see you...what you project to others...BUT, it is only a persona, your facade...what you want others to see you...much still llies hidden
(03:10:10) (Blu) OK Ron, I thought it was reversed
(03:10:30) (Blu) so the sun sign is the hidden or real you
(03:11:16) (diane) moon sign is real you, sun sign is what you want others to see?
(03:11:19) (Blu) LOL
(03:11:33) (ron) the Sun, or sun sign, can lie hiddn somewhere else in the chart...like in a sign that is in the 4th house, for example, thus your sun quallities are more obvious within the family sphere
(03:11:34) (Blu) sun sign vs rising sign
(03:11:58) (Blu) ok ignore anything I say about astrology!
(03:11:59) (ron) but yet, the sun shows where you shine best, where you display leadership
(03:12:13) (diane) ok, i see what you mean, Blu
(03:12:21) (Blu) so my sun sign is virgo right/
(03:12:33) (Blu) libra risng
(03:12:38) (Blu) got it
(03:12:39) (ron) it is the symbol of spirit, or your purpose of life, at least your purpose chosen for this lifetime..
(03:13:29) (ron) i like discussing the technical side of astrology...i don't get any of that...plus the need to apply the study at the same time
(03:13:46) (ron) spirit is the ideal
(03:13:57) (Blu) what do you mean by technical
(03:14:33) (ron) i belive so blu...virgo deals with Service/given or received
(03:14:44) (Blu) ty Ron
(03:15:07) (ron) suns purpose for you is Service!
(03:15:19) (Blu) I hear that Ron
(03:15:24) (Blu) TY
(03:15:36) (ron) ok...lets look into a new subject...and then tell me what you think
(02:20:46) (ron) last friday i was doing biblical references on satan...so there :)
(02:21:14) (ron) WHERE IS SATAN?
(02:22:18) (Roz) lives in our choices to choose darkness
(02:22:33) (ron) as a matter of fact, some of you don't have to complete text on angels i have given...WIS, you just might want the missing parts as text only as part of your chat section...if so let me know
(02:22:34) (WalksInSpirit) Ol Scratch. ;-)
(02:23:56) (ron) He is at liberty to go to and from in the heavenlies and on earth. Does this shock you?
(02:24:24) (ron) When the Lord said to Satan ... "Whence comest thou?" ... Satan replied, "From going to and fro in the earth and from walking up and down in it." (Job 1:7, 2:2).
(02:24:48) (ron) Satan then was at liberty "on the earth", and had/has access to God. The book of Revelation is a prophecy of "Things to Come", and as the Apostle John saw the vision, Satan was not bound yet.
(02:26:23) (ron) Satan is the Deceiver, and he deceives by blinding the eyes of the world.
(02:26:39) (ron) We read in 2 Cor 4:3-4 - But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
(02:27:00) (ron) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
(02:27:21) (ron) Satan has his preachers who preach another gospel. (Gal 1:6-9 - I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
(02:27:42) (ron) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
(02:28:08) (ron) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
(02:28:37) (ron) As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
(02:29:02) (ron) Let's check out what Satan has done as recorded in the Bible from Gen 3:15 to Rev 20:10.
(02:29:04) (Blu) pretty strong words
(02:29:33) (ron) Satan tempts Eve, ... she eats, and thus Adam with her. They are both cast out of the Garden ... 1st victory scored for Satan.
(02:29:50) (ron) Satan enters Cain (mind) ... The result, Abel is murdered. ... 2nd victory for Satan.
(02:30:04) (ron) The "Sons of God" at Satan's instigation marry the "daughters of men" ... result, The Flood of the world. ... victory number 3 for Satan. ,,,,, Note that the Sons of God are NOT those spoken of in the New Testament. For the New Testament when speaking about Sons of God is in reality speaking of those who are now "Born Again" Spiritually in Christ.
(02:30:05) (diane) catchey, Roz. lol
(02:30:51) (ron) Noah delivered from the flood is tempted to drink, yields, and a curse falls on Ham. ... victory number four for Satan ... He is on a roll.
(02:31:10) (ron) People multiply and Satan fills their hearts with pride and presumption. The tower of Babel is built ... the result, the "Confusion of Tongues", and the unity of the human race broken up. ... This makes victory number five for Satan.
(02:31:32) (ron) Then God calls Abraham ... which through the promised "Seed of the Woman" is to come. Sarah can not bare child. and when Isaac is born, Satan is in hopes that his father will slain him on Mt. Moriah. But God intervenes and provides a sacrifice.
(02:31:57) (ron) Satan hopes that with Esau and Jacob that it would be another murder as it was with Cain & Abel. But is does not happen.
(02:32:16) (ron) When the time came for Moses (the Deliverer of the children of Israel), Satan put in the heart of Pharaoh that all male Hebrew children be killed at birth.
(02:32:38) (ron) Satan trys all he can to stop the generational family tree of Jesus, and birth of Christ. Satan prompted Herod to kill all male children under age 2 at Bethlehem.
(02:32:56) (ron) It was Satan himself who tried to over-come Christ Jesus when Jesus was weakened in the wilderness. It was Satan who suggested to Jesus that he throw Himself down from the Pinnacle of the Temple. Satan tried to kill Jesus in the two storms on Galilee, but Jesus over came.
(02:34:04) (Roz) there is no word for Satan in Hebrew it means missing the mark
(02:34:08) (ron) of course, these are fundamentalist views...i see the controlling of the air/wind and water, as deomonstrations of earth (self) mastery
(02:34:47) (Roz) and came in to the language when they werecaptured by the Babylonians
(02:35:01) (ron) Satan sought and still even tried to kill Jesus amid the shades of Gethsemane by physical weakness before He (Jesus) could reach the cross. Remember that Jesus was unrecognizable because he had been beaten so terribly bad. Yet within God's plan, Jesus still had the strenght to finish God's plan of salvation.
(02:35:41) (ron) Now, check this out. Jesus died on the cross. And Satan surely thought that he had Wednesday, January 22, 2003 finally won and that he had conquered. ,,, BUT , when Christ rose from the dead, He (JESUS) beat Satan, and death.
(02:36:54) (ron) what happened on jan 22 2003?
(02:37:05) (diane) ????
(02:37:18) (Lynn) Shall I say?
(02:37:46) (ron) maybe we might find that out soon...or, maybe we won't :)...this writer at times...
(02:37:55) (Blu) I don't know Ron, what happen?
(02:38:09) (ron) i'm asking the same question
(02:38:09) (Lynn) Jesus descended into hell, preached the gospel, liberated souls and took captivity captive
(02:38:30) (Lynn) I can look it up if you want. It's in the good book
(02:38:34) (ron) Note ... Just as we can not ascertain how much more love that God the Father has for us ... likewise, we can not grasp nor understand how much hate Satan has.
(02:38:50) (ron) My friend, don't be blinded by Satan's lies and deceiving ways.
(02:39:01) (ron) Receive Jesus into your heart and life, ... for Jesus is the way the truth and the life ... and no one can get into heaven without Him.
(02:39:45) (ron) now thru with this section...i was not very impressed with his presentation....now, next section continuing with angels
(02:39:48) (Lynn) It's not what you know. It's WHO (Jesus) you know. LOL
(02:40:08) (ron) ANGELS AND ARCHANGELS
(02:40:24) (ron) Angels are all around us. The Jewish Talmud states that, “every blade of grass has it’s own little angel saying, ‘grow, grow, grow.’” Angels were created by the Ancient of Days to assist as needed. Sometimes as an ambassador from ‘above’ and sometimes as an aide here ‘below’. Angels are here to assist us, humans, on our path.
(02:41:04) (ron) Angels have only one mission and do not have the free will to change that purpose. They are direct manifestations of the Creator and have no will separate from that of their source. Some angels are to help grass grow and others are to help us grow. Angels can not interfere with our lives we must ask them for assistance. Angels work very closely with the kingdoms of Earth.
(02:41:44) (ron) well, i have my own view regarding the will's of angels
(02:41:53) (ron) but that is for another time
(02:42:24) (ron) There is a sort of hierarchy in the angelic kingdom. Archangels govern Angels; the archangels are the directors, and the angelic hosts do the work. The angelic evolution is a parallel to that of human beings.
(02:42:51) (ron) there is an hierarchy of all life
(02:43:13) (ron) Because angels do not have free will, they are not self-conscious as humans are. They evolve through our evolution rather than through the power of conscious thought. It is important to understand that there are angels working in all the dimensions of reality.
(02:43:29) (ron) i disagree
(02:43:33) (ron) again
(02:43:55) (ron) i just wanted to express my view for a later time
(02:44:20) (ron) When people think of angels they are usually thinking of the archangels who sit at the throne of the Ancient of Days. Angels are genderless; they have both male and female characteristics. The word angel itself is derived from the Greek word “angelos” which means messenger. They are the messengers of the Universe.
(02:44:45) (ron) Angels can incarnate into physical bodies, if asked by the Creator, and take on human form, so some of the people you know might actually be angels rather than humans.
(02:45:29) (Blu) There is an old man I see occassionally that I wonder about
(02:45:57) (ron) there have been a few of the opposite sex that i called an angel, i soon discovered or became aware of my state of ignorance :)
(02:46:11) (Lynn) LOL
(02:46:12) (Blu) LOLOLOLOL @ Ron
(02:46:26) (WalksInSpirit) LOL Ron
(02:46:57) (ron) There are many different kinds of angels. Each person has a guardian angel. Again, they can not interfere unless you ask them for help. Sometimes you hear your angel as a whisper or a ‘knowing’ what to do or not do, where to go or not go, etc.
(02:47:05) (ron) you can say that again
(02:47:11) (Lynn) hey, ron, how about this? Angels can incarnate into physical bodies, if asked by the Creator, and take on human form
(02:47:15) (Roz) oh ron they probably were yu just couldnt see it then
(02:47:32) (ron) yes, why not
(02:47:39) (Lynn) cut and pasted from your posting
(02:48:27) (ron) There are infinite numbers of angels who work with humans and are available. There are angels of healing, illumination, creativity, nature, music, dance, writing and literature, protection, emotions, science, technology, devotion, purity, information, environment, transformation, peace, art, relationships, and magic.
(02:48:56) (ron) All you really have to do is invoke them and they are happy to come and serve. Although, they can not do something that is not in your highest good.
(02:49:06) (Roz) Lynn recall what happened in the book of Enoch when they took on physical form?
(02:49:22) (Lynn) Yet there are those who say some angels cannot incarnate?
(02:49:24) (ron) The Archangels have a higher ‘rank’ than the other angels. It is the archangels whose names you are most likely to be familiar with. There are many archangels as well, some you may not be familiar with and too many to name here.
(02:49:49) (Roz) they are a different realm
(02:50:08) (ron) Some of these archangels are: Metatron, Raziel, Zaphkiel, Zadkiel, Chamuel, Michael, Haniel, Raphael, Gabriel, Uriel, Jophiel, Ariel.
(02:50:10) (Lynn) As you say......
(02:50:32) (ron) Angels and Archangels are here for our assistance and growth. Find out more about them and ask them to be involved in your life. Remember, you must ask for their help.
(02:50:46) (ron) ARCHANGELS AND ASTROLOGY
(02:50:58) (ron) Are you unsure which archangel covers your birth sign?
(02:51:10) (ron) Your astrological archangels can be called on to help you with every day problems. Your astrological archangels have similar personality traits to yourself, and you'll find them very accommodating when you need help.
(02:51:13) (Roz) didnt know one did ron
(02:51:14) (Blu) Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
(02:51:20) (Lynn) Tell me of Scorpio's angel. LOL
(02:51:26) (Blu) hebrews
(02:52:19) (ron) another words, be sure to be kind and generous when a person crosses your path and asks for a fewe cents to buy a coffee...:))
(02:52:24) (diane) also the title of a good little book, Blu...Angel Unaware...by Dale Evens
(02:52:54) (diane) Tells about the loss of their child, real tearjerker
(02:53:24) (ron) and if he or she asks you for a dollar to buy a coffee, give him or her five dollars
(02:53:51) (diane) Or better yet, go and get coffee & bring it back to him!
(02:54:07) (true_eagle) is that roy rogers wife ..diane ?
(02:54:19) (diane) It is, mike
(02:54:27) (true_eagle) ty
(02:54:36) (Blu) I have an old man that comes to the store on a regular basis to pan handle. I am suppose to call the Store director and he is supposed to come and throw him out. So i give him money, and time...then I call the store director and tell him he is in the store. I usually wait for him to have enough time to make his rounds first!
(02:55:02) (ron) Aquarius If you're an Aquarian your astrological birth sign archangels are Chamuel and Zadkiel. Archangel Chamuel and Archangel Zadkiel are compassionate and independent archangels and they're associated with the planet Uranus.
(02:55:12) (diane) Oh, I like that, Blu
(02:55:19) (Blu) he hee
(02:55:28) (Blu) cover my bases
(02:55:40) (ron) Pisces Being a Pisces, your characteristics are receptive and subtle, Your archangels associated with these attributes is said to be Raphael and Raziel. The planets that are said to rule Pisceans are Neptune and Saturn.
(02:56:09) (ron) Aries Being assertive and demanding are an Arian's personality traits, and to help assist you, you'll find Archangel Abdiel and Archangel Uriel. The planet said to be most connected to Arians is Mars.
(02:56:19) (Blu) I worry about him in this weather, I have never seen him in a heavy coat
(02:56:36) (ron) Taurus Taurean personality traits are said to be honorable and determined. The ruling planet of Taurus is Venus and Taureans share the same archangels as Arians. Archangel Uriel and Abdiel.
(02:57:07) (ron) Gemini If you're a Gemini, you have the ability to adapt very quickly to new surroundings. Your mind is positive, strong and you'll find you'll have a natural ability with reading, writing, working on computers. You'll also love to travel a lot. Communication and expression. Your ruling planet is Mercury.
(02:57:18) (ron) Archangel Michael is said to rule over Mercury and your Astrological Archangels are Raguel and Gabriel. So if you need help, you could call on Raguel, Gabriel or even Michael to help you. on is your core personality traits.
(02:58:02) (ron) Cancer Cancerians are by nature very caring, emotional and highly intuitive people. Creative fields are best suited to Cancerians, so Art, Singing, Acting, Drawing, Painting, Poetry and Teaching are all areas that you would excel in.
(02:58:16) (ron) The reason for you being so emotional is due to the fact that, the astrological sign of Cancer is ruled by the Moon. Archangel Gabriel is said to rule over this planet, and helping him you'll find Archangel Ariel and Archangel Haniel.
(02:58:48) (ron) Leo Ambitious and commanding are the characteristic traits found in Leo's. The powerful presence of a Leo is said to be down to the ruling planet the Sun, which is overlooked by Archangel Michael and Archangel Gabriel. Also helping out in this astrological area is Archangel Haniel.
(02:59:18) (ron) Virgo Analysis and research are your strong points. You'll try to go deeply into things and look for the finer points. Your ruling planet is Mercury, and if you've been reading the over astrological archangels, you'll see that Archangel Michael, seems to be very busy, as he's said to also rule over the planet of Mercury.
(03:00:01) (ron) To help Michael you'll find archangel Sariel who's name means 'God's Command'. You may also find Sariel referred to as, archangel Suriel and archangel Saraqel. Virgo's make great diplomats and researchers.
(03:00:27) (ron) Libra Your ruling planet is Venus, your personality traits are steady, diplomatic and easy to get on with. True Librans have a very levelheaded intellectual capacity, and they tend to get on with nearly everyone.
(03:00:52) (ron) The only downside is that if you err towards negative things, you can become a nagger. Venus is said to be ruled by Archangel Aniel (sometimes known as Archangel Anael.) Helping him you'll find Archangel Azrael and Archangel Jeremiel.
(03:01:36) (ron) this writer seems to me, doesn't have much astrological knowledge....could have used better descriptive words
(03:02:16) (ron) Scorpio Being a Scorpio myself, I can agree that my personality traits are passionate, inspiring and most of all, Scorpio's love to be noticed. Our ruling planet is Pluto and our astrological archangels are Michael and Uriel.
(03:02:59) (ron) Sagittarius If you're a Sagittarius, your core personality traits are likely to be courageous, ambitious and full of drive. You tend to be an optimist and your ruling planet is Jupiter which is overseen by Archangel Zadkiel (sometimes referred to as Archangel Zachariel). Your responding archangels are archangel Jophiel and archangel Ariel.
(03:03:44) (ron) Capricorn As a Capricorn, your core personality traits are a strong ability to think and you can understand the human nature the way no one else does. They also have the ability to analyze and understand any concept well and shall possess a good memory. If you need a disciplined and dutiful person, a Capricorn is the person for you.
(03:04:05) (ron) that me :)
(03:04:20) (ron) The ruling planet of Capricorn is Saturn which is over seen by Archangel Zaphiel (whose name means 'Righteousness of God'). Archangels you should look to for help if you're a Capricorn are Archangel Metatron and Archangel Sandalphon.
(03:05:01) (ron) they always say nice things about capricorn...but believe me, life has not been that easy...'grittin teeth over here'
(03:06:11) (diane) Call on your Angel for help, ron
(03:06:16) (ron) i'd like take a llittle break and start on anther topic....i will continue with angels with my next opportunity
(03:06:26) (ron) ok diane :)
(03:07:09) (diane) Good...Conjure up that old Zaphiel, Metron & Sandalphon
(03:07:20) (ron) i should finish this with the next session
(03:07:31) (Blu) I am going with the idea that the rising sign is more accurate at times as to your inner being
(03:07:51) (ron) ok diane i will, i promise...yes, yes, i will.....i swear it
(03:07:59) (ron) swearing over here
(03:08:26) (diane) :-) And make sure ya do!
(03:09:40) (ron) very good thought blu...the rising sign is the most obvious because that is the sign that all see you...what you project to others...BUT, it is only a persona, your facade...what you want others to see you...much still llies hidden
(03:10:10) (Blu) OK Ron, I thought it was reversed
(03:10:30) (Blu) so the sun sign is the hidden or real you
(03:11:16) (diane) moon sign is real you, sun sign is what you want others to see?
(03:11:19) (Blu) LOL
(03:11:33) (ron) the Sun, or sun sign, can lie hiddn somewhere else in the chart...like in a sign that is in the 4th house, for example, thus your sun quallities are more obvious within the family sphere
(03:11:34) (Blu) sun sign vs rising sign
(03:11:58) (Blu) ok ignore anything I say about astrology!
(03:11:59) (ron) but yet, the sun shows where you shine best, where you display leadership
(03:12:13) (diane) ok, i see what you mean, Blu
(03:12:21) (Blu) so my sun sign is virgo right/
(03:12:33) (Blu) libra risng
(03:12:38) (Blu) got it
(03:12:39) (ron) it is the symbol of spirit, or your purpose of life, at least your purpose chosen for this lifetime..
(03:13:29) (ron) i like discussing the technical side of astrology...i don't get any of that...plus the need to apply the study at the same time
(03:13:46) (ron) spirit is the ideal
(03:13:57) (Blu) what do you mean by technical
(03:14:33) (ron) i belive so blu...virgo deals with Service/given or received
(03:14:44) (Blu) ty Ron
(03:15:07) (ron) suns purpose for you is Service!
(03:15:19) (Blu) I hear that Ron
(03:15:24) (Blu) TY
(03:15:36) (ron) ok...lets look into a new subject...and then tell me what you think
