Post by WalksInSpirit on Feb 13, 2006 15:58:33 GMT -5
Astrology Chat: 02-13-06
(02:14:29) (ron) THE CHURCH OF SARDIS
(02:14:58) (ron) VIRTUE-Few not defiled VISION-Souls of perfect slain FAULT-Imperfect LORD'S
(02:15:09) (ron) PRAYER-Will PLANETARY-Uranus COLOR-Blue (related to purpose)
(02:15:23) (ron) THE CHURCH OF SARDIS
(02:16:04) (ron) The church in Sardis is the center of the activity of the will, as stated in the Lord's Prayer. The planetary influence is that of Uranus or the force of extremes, but it also has to do with the psychic natures of the entity. The readings say, "in Uranus, as of the psychic." (900-10)
(02:16:54) (ron) Since the entity as a soul was given free will, this center would naturally be closely allied with and influence the soul. It also seems natural that the color here would be blue in its pure form but grayish when will is used for self, for blue relates to purpose but an adulteration of purposes would change or lessen the intensity of the color - hence grayish when used for other than the
(02:17:33) (ron) highest purposes. This center is the controlling influence in the recognition of purpose at the atomic levels of matter as well as in the responses to vibration of any kind reaching consciousness. The purpose of any action on our part is certainly tied up with will.
(02:18:40) (ron) The act of will is the controlling influence over any action, for self or for others. At the atomic level (in the pigments and as used in my study of vibrations) this center brings to us the purpose of both choices and it is cognized in the unconscious by the color blue. After all, the use of free will has much to do with our being in the earth - the purpose. We are in the earth because we chose to
(02:19:21) (ron) use free will. A place was set aside (the earth plane) where we might use our wills to our hearts' desire. The purpose is to find out whether or not souls will of their own accord return to the Father.
(02:20:02) (ron) It is interesting that, since we are here for the purpose of testing will, this center should also be the contact point or the seat of the beast, in other words, the seat of Satan. Verification of this is found in Rev. 16: 10 when the angel empties his vial "upon the seat of the beast." The place of our reactions then is the seat in us where Satan can only really influence us - through our will. The
(02:20:03) (Qrious) kinda makes ya feel like a salmon... lol
(02:20:45) (ron) spirit of rebellion must be seated with our will. When we choose to do our will, we are choosing the opposite of God's will. In fact, Satan would not even be in the earth except that he rebelled against doing God's will in heaven and was cast out because of it. (See Rev. 12:9. It is interesting that it seems from this verse that Satan's influence may be limited to man's earth activities.)(02:21:24) (ron) 1: And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
(02:22:13) (ron) The angel is, of course, intelligence in the force called Uranus. The church is the body of activity around the use of will.
(02:22:55) (ron) The message is from the Son of man who has made his will one with the Father's, in that the will of the Father IN the creative forces (the life forces) is the total guiding influence in the life of the Son of man.
(02:23:44) (ron) The Son of man knows, as none other, the works of the EXTREMES of man's will versus God's will. Jesus seems to inject a personal note about himself here when he says, "thou hast a name,"
(02:24:06) (ron) etc. The force is that of WILL, as a name, and it is a LIVING force, yet as far as Jesus is concerned, it is as dead; for he had returned to God the free will given him in the beginning. Hence to him it is as dead, and will be so for Satan when all souls in the earth's plane have become Sons of men as did Jesus.
(02:25:01) (ron) 2: Be watchful, and strengthen the things which re-main, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
(02:25:34) (ron) Our use of will has not always been entirely for self nor totally for others, thus the admonition to strengthen those memories and uses of will which are ready to be surrendered to God's will. In other words, some of our memories - as possible centers for impetus to the mind - are as dead or have served their purpose. Not all are of this nature but neither have the total uses of will been "perfect before God."
(02:26:29) (ron) For us now, the admonition is to watch for OUR choices (caused by our will) of images (memory patterns) not in perfect accord with the Christ way.
(02:26:59) (ron) "Strengthen the things [thoughts are things] which remain" is spoken to help them gain strength by our standing still before what-ever happens; and thus they gain strength also. This strengthening is the resolve to let the life forces do their job as they should without our interfering. Some memories (cells) are ready to let go of all imposed memory patterns. They are ready to die, would we let them go.
(02:27:56) (ron) 3: Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
(02:28:27) (ron) This remembering, as in verse 2, of how we have used our will must be a part of the remembered fact. We are obliged here to "hold fast" to that part of remembrances, and re-think (repent) our objections as to how we have used our will. We pay attention to facts and forget the PURPOSE of what we do to one another.
(02:29:35) (ron) If we do "not watch" our reactions (watch the SPIRIT and PURPOSE of whatever we do), then the law as exemplified in the life of Jesus will come upon us - which is quite simply that all things we do must be remembered and met. This means that UNEXPECTEDLY, as a thief, things will happen to us which seem to have no cause or purpose directly related (consciously) to us.
(02:30:37) (ron) And this holds true for any circumstance in which we find ourselves and which we do not understand why it happened. It is exemplified in the meeting of our own karma (which is really just our own memories) of all kinds, especially that which we do not consciously remember. Karma comes as a thief, but this too is a fulfilling of the law. (See Gal. 6:7.)
(02:31:17) (ron) Hence there is more and more reason for us to examine what-ever happens to us, especially some so-called disastrous happening; all the more reason to say, "Thank you, Father," for it is the justice of God being revealed to us. As we show acceptance with a "Thank you, Father" attitude and mean it, the spirit of "for others" in the Christ brings the miracle of grace to us.
(02:32:00) (ron) 4: Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
(02:32:33) (ron) "A few names" means THINGS (thoughts, habits, and ideas which are really "for others") such as memories and their potential actions which are not in any way for self. The spirit in which we have formed such ideas, concepts, etc., shall be and is a companion of the Christ Spirit and thus will "walk with" Jesus (the spirit of him) in white. Whiteness is the white aura as will be noted in verse
(02:33:08) (ron) 5 below. These "few names" (memories) are worthy ones for they are in the makeup of the Son of man.
(02:33:31) (ron) As for us now - some of the images (thoughts which we have accepted and acted on) that we have created and given names to are acceptable; that is, no one is all bad or all good. Some of our "I's" show God's will, therefore they shall walk with the Christ Spirit in our expressions. These are those which "shall walk with me in white." They reflect the pure spirit of not-self - and hence radiate the white aura.
(02:34:38) (ron) It seems to me that it is here that the color of the aura is determined by our will, all our choices of what we BE (self's will) COLOR our actions, and the spirit necessarily radiates that vibration. Hence these colors are what others see in us; unconsciously we tell each other just what we be.
(02:35:17) (ron) 5: He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
(02:35:41) (ron) "He that overcometh" is directed primarily to us who over-come the use of OUR will. When we do that, we shall have a white aura, for our purposes will not have adulterated the pure white light or energy that enters the body. All the colors will be equal, thus allowing them to radiate through us as a white aura. (See Rev. 19:8, 20:12 and 21:7.)
(02:36:43) (ron) The message can be given because of Jesus' memory reactions of his own experiences with this center and the force of will within himself.
(02:37:07) (ron) HE is that memory (image) within us that is created by reason of God's will being done in us, WHEN WE STAND STILL and let the creative energy build an image (a memory) which then becomes us. Then we overcome the temptations to act on our own and are "clothed in white raiment" (the aura). Our actions have a life given them by God and thus also have a NAME given
(02:37:42) (ron) by Him. (All other actions - OUR images - have OUR name that we give them and have no life other than our own.) God's creations through us have a name and are in the book of life; and these are the ones which will not be blotted out. (See Rev. 20:12 and 281-34 below.)
(02:38:13) (ron) When we allow the life forces to create our response patterns (our images and memories) we will have taken of the water of life by letting it build us. Hence these names will be "confessed" before God and His angels, the Creative Forces themselves.
(02:38:46) (ron) As to what the readings had to say about the names in the book of life, etc., consider the following:
(02:39:03) (ron) Q-4. Explain what is meant by those whose names are not written in the Book of Life.
(02:39:23) (ron) A-4. THOSE NOT WRITTEN ARE THOSE WHO HAVE CLIMBED UP SOME OTHER WAY, or have only for impunity's sake or only for the momentary conscience's sake, as from the influence about them, acknowledged the Way. For as we see later more definitely given, whosoever WILL may take of the water of life.
(02:40:14) (ron) But as has been given, there are those who from the first - as he that is last to be bound - had the import to do evil. Then those who have followed closely after the flesh, or THE INDULGENCES OF THE EMOTIONS of the body alone, WITHOUT THE CONSIDERATION OF OTHERS, without other than self’s own interest - as is shown by the beast that is loosened -THESE ARE
(02:40:51) (ron) THEY WHOSE NAMES THAT ARE NOT WRITTEN, and these are they who are easily led about by every wind that bloweth, unstable as it were in those AS REPRESENTED IN A PORTION OR ONE OF THE CHURCHES; not hot, not cold, but allowing today, tomorrow, the circumstance of the moment to sway - WITHOUT PURPOSE, WITHOUT DIRECTION,
(02:41:24) (ron) WITHOUT NAME. For there is ONLY GIVEN UNDER HEAVEN THAT NAME THEREBY MEN MAY BE SAVED, by their belief, their faith, their trust, THEIR WORKS IN HIM. Hence those who do them not, those who are seen about the individuals striving, are not to be by the individual lamented so much as that the individual loses his own way, but rather knowing that
(02:41:58) (ron) God, the merciful Father, THE LOVING FATHER OF THE CHRIST, in His own time, His own way, will bring those necessary influences.
(02:42:37) (ron) Be YE then, as is given, in the same association by the promptings of that ye have gained. Having tasted of the tree of life, the knowledge of God, make thyself and thy calling and THEY ELECTION SURE IN THAT YE FAINT NOT WHEN YE SEE these troubles, THESE
(02:43:04) (ron) DISTURBANCES THAT ARE only of the earth-earthy, that ONLY are THE EMOTIONS OF THE DESIRES OF SELF’S OWN SHOW COMING TO PASS IN THINE EXPERIENCES 281-34
(02:43:29) (ron) This reading tells us much about the uses of our will, and especially how to use it FREELY TO STAND STILL BEFORE WHATEVER IS HAPPENING to us as we watch our" own show coming to pass in our experience. " A "Thank you, Father" will bring miracles instead of grief, but - do we dare?
(02:44:02) (ron) 6: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
(02:44:10) (Lynn) yes I dare
(02:44:19) (ron) This verse is the same idea as for all churches.
(02:44:48) (ron) END...that above quote is quite powerful i think
(02:45:28) (ron) take a break then we'll start on astrology and the readings
(02:46:07) (ron) share your thought with each other if you wish
(02:47:16) (Qrious) guess you can't say.. the Devil made me do it.. then huh... cause he's in my chair.
(02:48:04) (diane) in short, then, the idea is to surpress our will and only do the will of the Father
(02:48:47) (Qrious) more like.. to give up.. or submit.. suppress would mean its temporary I would think.
(02:49:22) (diane) did i get that "repent " part right? that when we recognize how we went wrong, the memory cell about it will "die"
(02:49:50) (diane) i see what you mean, Q
(02:50:33) (diane) let it come to our memory, repent of it, and it will die
(02:50:42) (ron) what is the purpose of having and using our will?
(02:50:59) (Qrious) to have fun of course.
(02:51:27) (patricia) I find tremendous hope in the thought that God will in His own time and His own way bring the influences necessary to cause all souls to submit to His will. We all have loved ones that we are concerned for(02:52:43) (diane) yep, it's an awesome and comforting thought, pat
(02:52:57) (Qrious) too bad we couldn't learn what the 'other way ' was.. sounded like someone had an inklin' and said naw anyways.
(02:53:36) (diane) other way...yes...what did that mean?
(02:53:45) (ron) i wonder if its a test of our continued spirit of rebellion
(02:53:45) (patricia) i think this is where a lesson in patience could be applied
(02:54:25) (diane) ron the purpose of having our will is to see it we'll chose to submit to God, given our free will, right?
(02:14:58) (ron) VIRTUE-Few not defiled VISION-Souls of perfect slain FAULT-Imperfect LORD'S
(02:15:09) (ron) PRAYER-Will PLANETARY-Uranus COLOR-Blue (related to purpose)
(02:15:23) (ron) THE CHURCH OF SARDIS
(02:16:04) (ron) The church in Sardis is the center of the activity of the will, as stated in the Lord's Prayer. The planetary influence is that of Uranus or the force of extremes, but it also has to do with the psychic natures of the entity. The readings say, "in Uranus, as of the psychic." (900-10)
(02:16:54) (ron) Since the entity as a soul was given free will, this center would naturally be closely allied with and influence the soul. It also seems natural that the color here would be blue in its pure form but grayish when will is used for self, for blue relates to purpose but an adulteration of purposes would change or lessen the intensity of the color - hence grayish when used for other than the
(02:17:33) (ron) highest purposes. This center is the controlling influence in the recognition of purpose at the atomic levels of matter as well as in the responses to vibration of any kind reaching consciousness. The purpose of any action on our part is certainly tied up with will.
(02:18:40) (ron) The act of will is the controlling influence over any action, for self or for others. At the atomic level (in the pigments and as used in my study of vibrations) this center brings to us the purpose of both choices and it is cognized in the unconscious by the color blue. After all, the use of free will has much to do with our being in the earth - the purpose. We are in the earth because we chose to
(02:19:21) (ron) use free will. A place was set aside (the earth plane) where we might use our wills to our hearts' desire. The purpose is to find out whether or not souls will of their own accord return to the Father.
(02:20:02) (ron) It is interesting that, since we are here for the purpose of testing will, this center should also be the contact point or the seat of the beast, in other words, the seat of Satan. Verification of this is found in Rev. 16: 10 when the angel empties his vial "upon the seat of the beast." The place of our reactions then is the seat in us where Satan can only really influence us - through our will. The
(02:20:03) (Qrious) kinda makes ya feel like a salmon... lol
(02:20:45) (ron) spirit of rebellion must be seated with our will. When we choose to do our will, we are choosing the opposite of God's will. In fact, Satan would not even be in the earth except that he rebelled against doing God's will in heaven and was cast out because of it. (See Rev. 12:9. It is interesting that it seems from this verse that Satan's influence may be limited to man's earth activities.)(02:21:24) (ron) 1: And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
(02:22:13) (ron) The angel is, of course, intelligence in the force called Uranus. The church is the body of activity around the use of will.
(02:22:55) (ron) The message is from the Son of man who has made his will one with the Father's, in that the will of the Father IN the creative forces (the life forces) is the total guiding influence in the life of the Son of man.
(02:23:44) (ron) The Son of man knows, as none other, the works of the EXTREMES of man's will versus God's will. Jesus seems to inject a personal note about himself here when he says, "thou hast a name,"
(02:24:06) (ron) etc. The force is that of WILL, as a name, and it is a LIVING force, yet as far as Jesus is concerned, it is as dead; for he had returned to God the free will given him in the beginning. Hence to him it is as dead, and will be so for Satan when all souls in the earth's plane have become Sons of men as did Jesus.
(02:25:01) (ron) 2: Be watchful, and strengthen the things which re-main, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
(02:25:34) (ron) Our use of will has not always been entirely for self nor totally for others, thus the admonition to strengthen those memories and uses of will which are ready to be surrendered to God's will. In other words, some of our memories - as possible centers for impetus to the mind - are as dead or have served their purpose. Not all are of this nature but neither have the total uses of will been "perfect before God."
(02:26:29) (ron) For us now, the admonition is to watch for OUR choices (caused by our will) of images (memory patterns) not in perfect accord with the Christ way.
(02:26:59) (ron) "Strengthen the things [thoughts are things] which remain" is spoken to help them gain strength by our standing still before what-ever happens; and thus they gain strength also. This strengthening is the resolve to let the life forces do their job as they should without our interfering. Some memories (cells) are ready to let go of all imposed memory patterns. They are ready to die, would we let them go.
(02:27:56) (ron) 3: Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
(02:28:27) (ron) This remembering, as in verse 2, of how we have used our will must be a part of the remembered fact. We are obliged here to "hold fast" to that part of remembrances, and re-think (repent) our objections as to how we have used our will. We pay attention to facts and forget the PURPOSE of what we do to one another.
(02:29:35) (ron) If we do "not watch" our reactions (watch the SPIRIT and PURPOSE of whatever we do), then the law as exemplified in the life of Jesus will come upon us - which is quite simply that all things we do must be remembered and met. This means that UNEXPECTEDLY, as a thief, things will happen to us which seem to have no cause or purpose directly related (consciously) to us.
(02:30:37) (ron) And this holds true for any circumstance in which we find ourselves and which we do not understand why it happened. It is exemplified in the meeting of our own karma (which is really just our own memories) of all kinds, especially that which we do not consciously remember. Karma comes as a thief, but this too is a fulfilling of the law. (See Gal. 6:7.)
(02:31:17) (ron) Hence there is more and more reason for us to examine what-ever happens to us, especially some so-called disastrous happening; all the more reason to say, "Thank you, Father," for it is the justice of God being revealed to us. As we show acceptance with a "Thank you, Father" attitude and mean it, the spirit of "for others" in the Christ brings the miracle of grace to us.
(02:32:00) (ron) 4: Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
(02:32:33) (ron) "A few names" means THINGS (thoughts, habits, and ideas which are really "for others") such as memories and their potential actions which are not in any way for self. The spirit in which we have formed such ideas, concepts, etc., shall be and is a companion of the Christ Spirit and thus will "walk with" Jesus (the spirit of him) in white. Whiteness is the white aura as will be noted in verse
(02:33:08) (ron) 5 below. These "few names" (memories) are worthy ones for they are in the makeup of the Son of man.
(02:33:31) (ron) As for us now - some of the images (thoughts which we have accepted and acted on) that we have created and given names to are acceptable; that is, no one is all bad or all good. Some of our "I's" show God's will, therefore they shall walk with the Christ Spirit in our expressions. These are those which "shall walk with me in white." They reflect the pure spirit of not-self - and hence radiate the white aura.
(02:34:38) (ron) It seems to me that it is here that the color of the aura is determined by our will, all our choices of what we BE (self's will) COLOR our actions, and the spirit necessarily radiates that vibration. Hence these colors are what others see in us; unconsciously we tell each other just what we be.
(02:35:17) (ron) 5: He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
(02:35:41) (ron) "He that overcometh" is directed primarily to us who over-come the use of OUR will. When we do that, we shall have a white aura, for our purposes will not have adulterated the pure white light or energy that enters the body. All the colors will be equal, thus allowing them to radiate through us as a white aura. (See Rev. 19:8, 20:12 and 21:7.)
(02:36:43) (ron) The message can be given because of Jesus' memory reactions of his own experiences with this center and the force of will within himself.
(02:37:07) (ron) HE is that memory (image) within us that is created by reason of God's will being done in us, WHEN WE STAND STILL and let the creative energy build an image (a memory) which then becomes us. Then we overcome the temptations to act on our own and are "clothed in white raiment" (the aura). Our actions have a life given them by God and thus also have a NAME given
(02:37:42) (ron) by Him. (All other actions - OUR images - have OUR name that we give them and have no life other than our own.) God's creations through us have a name and are in the book of life; and these are the ones which will not be blotted out. (See Rev. 20:12 and 281-34 below.)
(02:38:13) (ron) When we allow the life forces to create our response patterns (our images and memories) we will have taken of the water of life by letting it build us. Hence these names will be "confessed" before God and His angels, the Creative Forces themselves.
(02:38:46) (ron) As to what the readings had to say about the names in the book of life, etc., consider the following:
(02:39:03) (ron) Q-4. Explain what is meant by those whose names are not written in the Book of Life.
(02:39:23) (ron) A-4. THOSE NOT WRITTEN ARE THOSE WHO HAVE CLIMBED UP SOME OTHER WAY, or have only for impunity's sake or only for the momentary conscience's sake, as from the influence about them, acknowledged the Way. For as we see later more definitely given, whosoever WILL may take of the water of life.
(02:40:14) (ron) But as has been given, there are those who from the first - as he that is last to be bound - had the import to do evil. Then those who have followed closely after the flesh, or THE INDULGENCES OF THE EMOTIONS of the body alone, WITHOUT THE CONSIDERATION OF OTHERS, without other than self’s own interest - as is shown by the beast that is loosened -THESE ARE
(02:40:51) (ron) THEY WHOSE NAMES THAT ARE NOT WRITTEN, and these are they who are easily led about by every wind that bloweth, unstable as it were in those AS REPRESENTED IN A PORTION OR ONE OF THE CHURCHES; not hot, not cold, but allowing today, tomorrow, the circumstance of the moment to sway - WITHOUT PURPOSE, WITHOUT DIRECTION,
(02:41:24) (ron) WITHOUT NAME. For there is ONLY GIVEN UNDER HEAVEN THAT NAME THEREBY MEN MAY BE SAVED, by their belief, their faith, their trust, THEIR WORKS IN HIM. Hence those who do them not, those who are seen about the individuals striving, are not to be by the individual lamented so much as that the individual loses his own way, but rather knowing that
(02:41:58) (ron) God, the merciful Father, THE LOVING FATHER OF THE CHRIST, in His own time, His own way, will bring those necessary influences.
(02:42:37) (ron) Be YE then, as is given, in the same association by the promptings of that ye have gained. Having tasted of the tree of life, the knowledge of God, make thyself and thy calling and THEY ELECTION SURE IN THAT YE FAINT NOT WHEN YE SEE these troubles, THESE
(02:43:04) (ron) DISTURBANCES THAT ARE only of the earth-earthy, that ONLY are THE EMOTIONS OF THE DESIRES OF SELF’S OWN SHOW COMING TO PASS IN THINE EXPERIENCES 281-34
(02:43:29) (ron) This reading tells us much about the uses of our will, and especially how to use it FREELY TO STAND STILL BEFORE WHATEVER IS HAPPENING to us as we watch our" own show coming to pass in our experience. " A "Thank you, Father" will bring miracles instead of grief, but - do we dare?
(02:44:02) (ron) 6: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
(02:44:10) (Lynn) yes I dare
(02:44:19) (ron) This verse is the same idea as for all churches.
(02:44:48) (ron) END...that above quote is quite powerful i think
(02:45:28) (ron) take a break then we'll start on astrology and the readings
(02:46:07) (ron) share your thought with each other if you wish
(02:47:16) (Qrious) guess you can't say.. the Devil made me do it.. then huh... cause he's in my chair.
(02:48:04) (diane) in short, then, the idea is to surpress our will and only do the will of the Father
(02:48:47) (Qrious) more like.. to give up.. or submit.. suppress would mean its temporary I would think.
(02:49:22) (diane) did i get that "repent " part right? that when we recognize how we went wrong, the memory cell about it will "die"
(02:49:50) (diane) i see what you mean, Q
(02:50:33) (diane) let it come to our memory, repent of it, and it will die
(02:50:42) (ron) what is the purpose of having and using our will?
(02:50:59) (Qrious) to have fun of course.
(02:51:27) (patricia) I find tremendous hope in the thought that God will in His own time and His own way bring the influences necessary to cause all souls to submit to His will. We all have loved ones that we are concerned for(02:52:43) (diane) yep, it's an awesome and comforting thought, pat
(02:52:57) (Qrious) too bad we couldn't learn what the 'other way ' was.. sounded like someone had an inklin' and said naw anyways.
(02:53:36) (diane) other way...yes...what did that mean?
(02:53:45) (ron) i wonder if its a test of our continued spirit of rebellion
(02:53:45) (patricia) i think this is where a lesson in patience could be applied
(02:54:25) (diane) ron the purpose of having our will is to see it we'll chose to submit to God, given our free will, right?
