Post by WalksInSpirit on Dec 16, 2007 22:17:52 GMT -5
Revelations Study: 12-16-07
(09:18:11) (@autogreeter) Good Evening. Welcome to A Study On Revelations - Hosted By Roz. Please feel free to comment or ask questions at any time.
(09:18:20) (@roz1) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God - feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(09:18:25) (@walksinspirit) Nunwe
(09:18:34) (@roz1) Amen
(09:19:15) (@roz1) we are finishing up chapter 19
(09:19:56) (@roz1) 16. AND HE HAD A NAME WRITTEN ON HIS VETURE AND ON HIS THIGH. KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
(09:20:06) (@roz1) VESTURE
(09:21:05) (@roz1) The identity of Christness is in His attitudes "name written on his vesture and on the support of the physical body and on his thigh". He is King of Kings and Lord of lords
(09:22:33) (@roz1) 17. AND I SAW AN ANGEL ST.NDING IN THE SUN; AND HE CRIED WITH A LOUD VOICE, SAYING TOALL FOWLS THAT FLY IN THE MIDST OF HEAVEN, COME AND GATHER YOURSELVES TOGETHER FOR THE GREAT SUPPER OF GOD.
(09:23:51) (@roz1) The messenger is one of enlightenment and warmth giving "can angel standing in the sun". The message is that all mental processes "call fowls that fly in the midst of heaven" are to come and prepare to assimilate the sustenance of God "gather yourselves together for the great supper of God". Mind is the mediator between physical man and God.
(09:25:31) (@roz1) 18. THAT YOU MAY EAT OF THE FLESH OF KINGS AND THE FLESH OF CAPTAINS OF THOUSANDS ANDTHE FLESH OF MIGHTY MEN AND THE FLESH OF HORSES AND OF THOSE WHO SIT ON THEM AND THE FLESH OF ALL MEN, BOTH FREE AND BOND, BOTH SMALL AND GREAT.
(09:26:13) (@roz1) As mankind, we may assimilate all experiences.
(09:26:56) (@roz1) 19. THEN I SAW THE WILD BEAST AND THE KINGS OF THE EARTH AND THEIR ARMIES GATHERED TOGETHER TO FIGHT AGAINST HIM WHO SAT ON THE HORSE, AND AGAINST HIS ARMIES.
(09:27:43) (@roz1) Earthly manifestations, urges for self-gratification and power, now test the pure creativity.
(09:28:19) (@roz1) PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STOP ME OR TO COMMENT OR ASK QUESTIONS
(09:29:05) (@roz1) 20. AND THE WILD BEAST WAS TAKEN AND WITH HIM THE FALSE PROPHET WHO WROUGHT MIRACLES BEFORE HIM WITH WHICH HE DECEIVED THOSE WHO HAD RECEIVED THE MARK OF THE WILD BEASTAND THOSE WHO WORSHIPPED HIS NAME. THERE BOTH WERE CAST ALIVE INTO A LAKE. OF FIRE BURNING WITH BRIMSTONE
(09:29:49) (Lory-GG) When the text reads eat of the flesh, etc. is it any wonder that when one takes the Bible literally that there is confusion. Goodness!
(09:30:37) (@roz1) I agree we need to recognize symbology
(09:30:48) (@roz1) The lower self "wild beast", the deceptive urges "false prophet", with the ignorance of true identity, reflects in all of living. These are now in the process "cast alive" of purification "lake of fire burning with brimstone".
(09:31:07) (Lory-GG) There will always be, methinks, that too many people refuse symbology
(09:32:40) (Lory-GG) My mother would never have accepted it.
(09:32:47) (@roz1) symbology is so much richer
(09:32:54) (@roz1) 21. AND THE OTHERS WERE SLAIN BY THE SWORD THAT CAME OUT FROM THE MOUTH OF HIM WHO SAT UPON THE HORSE; AND ALL THE FOWLS WERE FILLED WITH THEIR FLESH.
(09:33:50) (@roz1) The sword has an ambivalent symbolism denoting both physical destruction and determination of the spirit. The lower self, the deceptive urges and ignorance of the true identity "the others" were slain by this ambivalent function of Him who is the director of the pure creative force "him who Sat upon the horse". The mental processes are filled with the knowledge of the experiences "call fowls were filled with their flesh".
(09:35:01) (@roz1) The processes of the energy rising in the centers are a purifying and renewing pattern of moral purity. They cause karmic conflicts and urges to be seen and dealt with rightly. The creativity of the gonads manifests in activities of beauty, harmony and service.
(09:35:43) (@roz1) The mind intelligence of the lyden gives direction for its better use. The adrenal empowers the new direction. The thymus gives directives that we are all 0ne in the Father. The thyroid utilizes the Will of the Father. The pineal Christ center, the Way show-er, nurtures and lights our way. The pituitary master gland, balances our forces with the One Force, God the good, Omnipotent.
(09:36:31) (@roz1) gonads also regenerate the body
(09:36:59) (@roz1) lyden is mind intellegence at the cellular level
(09:38:02) (@roz1) it is of the most importance to activate the chakras in order and balance
(09:38:17) (@roz1) questions?
(09:38:44) (@roz1) on to chapter 20
(09:38:48) (Lory-GG) That makes sense. It is always advisable to work upward, not downward.
(09:38:49) (mable) i'm ok
(09:40:52) (@roz1) 1. AND I SAW AN ANGEL COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, HAVING THE KEY TO THE BOTTOMLESS PIT AND A GREAT CHAIN IN HIS HAND.
(09:42:29) (@roz1) A messenger of the Self comes to the self. This has the means of unlocking the infinite depths "having the key to the bottomless pit" and that, which binds - great chain in his hand.
(09:43:41) (@roz1) 2. AND HE SEIZED THE DRAGON, THAT OLD SERPENT, WHICH IS THE TEMPTER AND SATAN, WHO DECEIVED THE WHOLE WORLD, AND BOUND HIM A THOUSAND YEARS.
(09:45:01) (@roz1) He confronted knowledge without wisdom "seized the dragon" that consciousness of the absence from God is "which is the tempter", with which we have deceived ourselves "Satan who deceived the whole world".
(09:45:08) (Lory-GG) Revelation has always baffled me, Roz.
(09:46:05) (@roz1) it is one of my favorite boooks of the Bible
(09:46:12) (@roz1) A thousand years is a reference to a time in which a particular challenge has time to become known, confronted and worked through. He is restrained "bound him a thousand years" until such time as man can develop the awareness of God in the physical, mental and spiritual levels.
(09:48:49) (@roz1) 3. AND CAST HIM INTO THE BOTTOMLESS PIT AND SHUT HIM UP AND SET A SEAL HE SHOULD NO MORE DECEIVE THE NATIONS UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS SHOULD BE PAST; AFTER THAT HE WILL BE LOOSED FOR A SHORT TIME.
(09:49:57) (@roz1) This facet of self is cast into our infinite depths "cast him into the bottomless pit". This portion is not of influence at this point "shut him up and set a seal over him".
(09:50:45) (@roz1) At such time that we have known, confronted and worked through the awareness that an absence from God existed with in us, we are not motivated by the awareness, "he should no more deceive thee nations until the thousand years should be past"; "after that he will be loosed for a short time." After that, we will again bring this into consciousness to see if truly we have overcome the deception.
(09:52:17) (@roz1) 4. AND I SAW THRONES AND THOSE WHO SAT UPON THEM, AND JUDGEMENT WAS GIVEN THEM; AND THE SOULS OF THOSE WHO WERE BEHEADED FOR THE W1TNESS OF JESUS AND FOR THE WORD OF GOD AND WHO HAD NOT WORSHIFPED THE WILD BEAST, NEITHER HIS IMAGE, NOR HAD RECEIVED HIS MARK UPON THEIR FOREHEADS OR ON THEIR HAND, LIVED AND REIGNED WITH THEIR CHRIST THESE THOUSAND YEARS.
(09:53:15) (@roz1) All the elements of Self that recognize the son ship to God, and have not forgotten the relationship, now assume responsibility and control of self.
(09:53:55) (@roz1) isnt this a comforting thot?
(09:54:43) (Lory-GG) Indeed it is, Roz.
(09:54:56) (@roz1) 5. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.
(09:55:40) (@roz1) The Christ Self is the live, vital part of our being.
(09:56:54) (@roz1) 6. BLESSED AND HOLY IS HE WHO HAS PART IN THE FIRST RESSURRECTION; OVER SUCH THE SECOND DEATH HAS NO POWER, BUT THEY SHALL BE PRIESTS OF GOD AND OF HIS CHRIST, AND THEY SHALL REIGN WITH HIM A THOUSAND YEARS.
(09:57:43) (Lory-GG) Are we to take a thousand years literally?
(09:57:49) (@roz1) we sare the Priesthoodd of Believers
(09:58:23) (Lory-GG) With everything else being symbolic, is this, too, symbolic?
(09:58:51) (@roz1) no it is a metaphore for time
(09:59:37) (@walksinspirit) Doesn't it say a thousand years is but a day unto the Lord?
(09:59:47) (Lory-GG) Time and space has no time. So how are we to interpret it?
(10:00:30) (@roz1) we created time and space so as to understand
(10:00:37) (@roz1) Blessed and holy is he who has the Christ as a live, vital part of his being. The loss of identity as a child of God "the second death" has no power in the state of the priesthood of believers "they shall be priests of God and of his Christ".
(10:00:44) (Lory-GG) Sounds like an eternity then, doesn't it Walks?
(10:01:58) (@roz1) 7. AND WHEN THE THOUSAND YEARS COME TO AN END, SATAN SHALL BE LOOSED OUT OF HIS PRISON.
(10:02:24) (Lory-GG) And we start the whole process all over again ?
(10:02:25) (@walksinspirit) Yes Ma'am, it does.
(10:02:41) (Lory-GG) Thus it never stops.
(10:03:02) (@roz1) When the relationship is firmly established, we dredge from our depths the memory that we existed in a state absent from God, we may repeat the process, participating in the state of grace until such time as we have gained sufficient strength to confront our evil "Satan shall be loosed out of his prison" until we hold fast.
(10:03:34) (@roz1) we have an eternity to do it in
(10:03:53) (Lory-GG) Soul by soul
(10:04:34) (@roz1) incarnation by incarnation
(10:04:58) (@roz1) we'll stop there for tonite
(10:05:20) (Lory-GG) Thank you Roz.
(10:10:31) (@walksinspirit) Roz, thank you for study tonight. I really enjoyed it!
(10:10:50) (@walksinspirit) Revelations has always been one of my favorites too
(10:10:53) (@roz1) me too so glad you do too
(10:11:27) (Moira) Roz is mone of my favorites
(10:11:51) (Moira) because The book by itself doesnt do it
(10:12:25) (@roz1) when we study it comes to mean so much more
(10:12:37) (Moira) Happy Holidays Roz and thanks for all you do:)
(10:12:50) (@roz1) we feed each others spirits
(10:13:14) (@roz1) you are so Welcome Moria
(10:12:50) (@roz1) we feed each others spirits
(10:14:15) (@roz1) when ppl pray for each other it creates a bond
(10:14:17) (Moira) ty to others Cris WIS lory who make our lives fuller and richer
(10:14:32) (Moira) ron too lol
(10:14:32) (@roz1) so right
(10:14:53) (Lory-GG) What a nice thing to say, Moira.
(10:15:02) (Moira) we walk away from here knowing more than we did coming in thats special
(10:15:11) (@walksinspirit) Well, we all help each other! And that's what we're here for! :-)
(10:15:19) (Moira) Isnt it true?
(10:15:21) (@roz1) I cant always get to yur study wis but I read in in the forum
(10:15:43) (mable) yes i read the forums also
(10:16:15) (@roz1) that is such a blessing WIS
(10:16:29) (@walksinspirit) I understand folks are busy this time of year. It's good to have the transcripts up to read when we can't make it.
(10:16:55) (@roz1) gives a chance to keep up
(10:18:38) (mable) thanks for tonights chat Roz, Many Blessings Goodnight
(10:18:43) (@roz1) been great to see yu all
(10:18:56) (@roz1) Love and Light All
(10:19:02) (Moira) Lnl
(10:19:06) (@walksinspirit) Night Blessings Roz!
(09:18:20) (@roz1) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God - feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(09:18:25) (@walksinspirit) Nunwe
(09:18:34) (@roz1) Amen
(09:19:15) (@roz1) we are finishing up chapter 19
(09:19:56) (@roz1) 16. AND HE HAD A NAME WRITTEN ON HIS VETURE AND ON HIS THIGH. KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
(09:20:06) (@roz1) VESTURE
(09:21:05) (@roz1) The identity of Christness is in His attitudes "name written on his vesture and on the support of the physical body and on his thigh". He is King of Kings and Lord of lords
(09:22:33) (@roz1) 17. AND I SAW AN ANGEL ST.NDING IN THE SUN; AND HE CRIED WITH A LOUD VOICE, SAYING TOALL FOWLS THAT FLY IN THE MIDST OF HEAVEN, COME AND GATHER YOURSELVES TOGETHER FOR THE GREAT SUPPER OF GOD.
(09:23:51) (@roz1) The messenger is one of enlightenment and warmth giving "can angel standing in the sun". The message is that all mental processes "call fowls that fly in the midst of heaven" are to come and prepare to assimilate the sustenance of God "gather yourselves together for the great supper of God". Mind is the mediator between physical man and God.
(09:25:31) (@roz1) 18. THAT YOU MAY EAT OF THE FLESH OF KINGS AND THE FLESH OF CAPTAINS OF THOUSANDS ANDTHE FLESH OF MIGHTY MEN AND THE FLESH OF HORSES AND OF THOSE WHO SIT ON THEM AND THE FLESH OF ALL MEN, BOTH FREE AND BOND, BOTH SMALL AND GREAT.
(09:26:13) (@roz1) As mankind, we may assimilate all experiences.
(09:26:56) (@roz1) 19. THEN I SAW THE WILD BEAST AND THE KINGS OF THE EARTH AND THEIR ARMIES GATHERED TOGETHER TO FIGHT AGAINST HIM WHO SAT ON THE HORSE, AND AGAINST HIS ARMIES.
(09:27:43) (@roz1) Earthly manifestations, urges for self-gratification and power, now test the pure creativity.
(09:28:19) (@roz1) PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STOP ME OR TO COMMENT OR ASK QUESTIONS
(09:29:05) (@roz1) 20. AND THE WILD BEAST WAS TAKEN AND WITH HIM THE FALSE PROPHET WHO WROUGHT MIRACLES BEFORE HIM WITH WHICH HE DECEIVED THOSE WHO HAD RECEIVED THE MARK OF THE WILD BEASTAND THOSE WHO WORSHIPPED HIS NAME. THERE BOTH WERE CAST ALIVE INTO A LAKE. OF FIRE BURNING WITH BRIMSTONE
(09:29:49) (Lory-GG) When the text reads eat of the flesh, etc. is it any wonder that when one takes the Bible literally that there is confusion. Goodness!
(09:30:37) (@roz1) I agree we need to recognize symbology
(09:30:48) (@roz1) The lower self "wild beast", the deceptive urges "false prophet", with the ignorance of true identity, reflects in all of living. These are now in the process "cast alive" of purification "lake of fire burning with brimstone".
(09:31:07) (Lory-GG) There will always be, methinks, that too many people refuse symbology
(09:32:40) (Lory-GG) My mother would never have accepted it.
(09:32:47) (@roz1) symbology is so much richer
(09:32:54) (@roz1) 21. AND THE OTHERS WERE SLAIN BY THE SWORD THAT CAME OUT FROM THE MOUTH OF HIM WHO SAT UPON THE HORSE; AND ALL THE FOWLS WERE FILLED WITH THEIR FLESH.
(09:33:50) (@roz1) The sword has an ambivalent symbolism denoting both physical destruction and determination of the spirit. The lower self, the deceptive urges and ignorance of the true identity "the others" were slain by this ambivalent function of Him who is the director of the pure creative force "him who Sat upon the horse". The mental processes are filled with the knowledge of the experiences "call fowls were filled with their flesh".
(09:35:01) (@roz1) The processes of the energy rising in the centers are a purifying and renewing pattern of moral purity. They cause karmic conflicts and urges to be seen and dealt with rightly. The creativity of the gonads manifests in activities of beauty, harmony and service.
(09:35:43) (@roz1) The mind intelligence of the lyden gives direction for its better use. The adrenal empowers the new direction. The thymus gives directives that we are all 0ne in the Father. The thyroid utilizes the Will of the Father. The pineal Christ center, the Way show-er, nurtures and lights our way. The pituitary master gland, balances our forces with the One Force, God the good, Omnipotent.
(09:36:31) (@roz1) gonads also regenerate the body
(09:36:59) (@roz1) lyden is mind intellegence at the cellular level
(09:38:02) (@roz1) it is of the most importance to activate the chakras in order and balance
(09:38:17) (@roz1) questions?
(09:38:44) (@roz1) on to chapter 20
(09:38:48) (Lory-GG) That makes sense. It is always advisable to work upward, not downward.
(09:38:49) (mable) i'm ok
(09:40:52) (@roz1) 1. AND I SAW AN ANGEL COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, HAVING THE KEY TO THE BOTTOMLESS PIT AND A GREAT CHAIN IN HIS HAND.
(09:42:29) (@roz1) A messenger of the Self comes to the self. This has the means of unlocking the infinite depths "having the key to the bottomless pit" and that, which binds - great chain in his hand.
(09:43:41) (@roz1) 2. AND HE SEIZED THE DRAGON, THAT OLD SERPENT, WHICH IS THE TEMPTER AND SATAN, WHO DECEIVED THE WHOLE WORLD, AND BOUND HIM A THOUSAND YEARS.
(09:45:01) (@roz1) He confronted knowledge without wisdom "seized the dragon" that consciousness of the absence from God is "which is the tempter", with which we have deceived ourselves "Satan who deceived the whole world".
(09:45:08) (Lory-GG) Revelation has always baffled me, Roz.
(09:46:05) (@roz1) it is one of my favorite boooks of the Bible
(09:46:12) (@roz1) A thousand years is a reference to a time in which a particular challenge has time to become known, confronted and worked through. He is restrained "bound him a thousand years" until such time as man can develop the awareness of God in the physical, mental and spiritual levels.
(09:48:49) (@roz1) 3. AND CAST HIM INTO THE BOTTOMLESS PIT AND SHUT HIM UP AND SET A SEAL HE SHOULD NO MORE DECEIVE THE NATIONS UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS SHOULD BE PAST; AFTER THAT HE WILL BE LOOSED FOR A SHORT TIME.
(09:49:57) (@roz1) This facet of self is cast into our infinite depths "cast him into the bottomless pit". This portion is not of influence at this point "shut him up and set a seal over him".
(09:50:45) (@roz1) At such time that we have known, confronted and worked through the awareness that an absence from God existed with in us, we are not motivated by the awareness, "he should no more deceive thee nations until the thousand years should be past"; "after that he will be loosed for a short time." After that, we will again bring this into consciousness to see if truly we have overcome the deception.
(09:52:17) (@roz1) 4. AND I SAW THRONES AND THOSE WHO SAT UPON THEM, AND JUDGEMENT WAS GIVEN THEM; AND THE SOULS OF THOSE WHO WERE BEHEADED FOR THE W1TNESS OF JESUS AND FOR THE WORD OF GOD AND WHO HAD NOT WORSHIFPED THE WILD BEAST, NEITHER HIS IMAGE, NOR HAD RECEIVED HIS MARK UPON THEIR FOREHEADS OR ON THEIR HAND, LIVED AND REIGNED WITH THEIR CHRIST THESE THOUSAND YEARS.
(09:53:15) (@roz1) All the elements of Self that recognize the son ship to God, and have not forgotten the relationship, now assume responsibility and control of self.
(09:53:55) (@roz1) isnt this a comforting thot?
(09:54:43) (Lory-GG) Indeed it is, Roz.
(09:54:56) (@roz1) 5. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.
(09:55:40) (@roz1) The Christ Self is the live, vital part of our being.
(09:56:54) (@roz1) 6. BLESSED AND HOLY IS HE WHO HAS PART IN THE FIRST RESSURRECTION; OVER SUCH THE SECOND DEATH HAS NO POWER, BUT THEY SHALL BE PRIESTS OF GOD AND OF HIS CHRIST, AND THEY SHALL REIGN WITH HIM A THOUSAND YEARS.
(09:57:43) (Lory-GG) Are we to take a thousand years literally?
(09:57:49) (@roz1) we sare the Priesthoodd of Believers
(09:58:23) (Lory-GG) With everything else being symbolic, is this, too, symbolic?
(09:58:51) (@roz1) no it is a metaphore for time
(09:59:37) (@walksinspirit) Doesn't it say a thousand years is but a day unto the Lord?
(09:59:47) (Lory-GG) Time and space has no time. So how are we to interpret it?
(10:00:30) (@roz1) we created time and space so as to understand
(10:00:37) (@roz1) Blessed and holy is he who has the Christ as a live, vital part of his being. The loss of identity as a child of God "the second death" has no power in the state of the priesthood of believers "they shall be priests of God and of his Christ".
(10:00:44) (Lory-GG) Sounds like an eternity then, doesn't it Walks?
(10:01:58) (@roz1) 7. AND WHEN THE THOUSAND YEARS COME TO AN END, SATAN SHALL BE LOOSED OUT OF HIS PRISON.
(10:02:24) (Lory-GG) And we start the whole process all over again ?
(10:02:25) (@walksinspirit) Yes Ma'am, it does.
(10:02:41) (Lory-GG) Thus it never stops.
(10:03:02) (@roz1) When the relationship is firmly established, we dredge from our depths the memory that we existed in a state absent from God, we may repeat the process, participating in the state of grace until such time as we have gained sufficient strength to confront our evil "Satan shall be loosed out of his prison" until we hold fast.
(10:03:34) (@roz1) we have an eternity to do it in
(10:03:53) (Lory-GG) Soul by soul
(10:04:34) (@roz1) incarnation by incarnation
(10:04:58) (@roz1) we'll stop there for tonite
(10:05:20) (Lory-GG) Thank you Roz.
(10:10:31) (@walksinspirit) Roz, thank you for study tonight. I really enjoyed it!
(10:10:50) (@walksinspirit) Revelations has always been one of my favorites too
(10:10:53) (@roz1) me too so glad you do too
(10:11:27) (Moira) Roz is mone of my favorites
(10:11:51) (Moira) because The book by itself doesnt do it
(10:12:25) (@roz1) when we study it comes to mean so much more
(10:12:37) (Moira) Happy Holidays Roz and thanks for all you do:)
(10:12:50) (@roz1) we feed each others spirits
(10:13:14) (@roz1) you are so Welcome Moria
(10:12:50) (@roz1) we feed each others spirits
(10:14:15) (@roz1) when ppl pray for each other it creates a bond
(10:14:17) (Moira) ty to others Cris WIS lory who make our lives fuller and richer
(10:14:32) (Moira) ron too lol
(10:14:32) (@roz1) so right
(10:14:53) (Lory-GG) What a nice thing to say, Moira.
(10:15:02) (Moira) we walk away from here knowing more than we did coming in thats special
(10:15:11) (@walksinspirit) Well, we all help each other! And that's what we're here for! :-)
(10:15:19) (Moira) Isnt it true?
(10:15:21) (@roz1) I cant always get to yur study wis but I read in in the forum
(10:15:43) (mable) yes i read the forums also
(10:16:15) (@roz1) that is such a blessing WIS
(10:16:29) (@walksinspirit) I understand folks are busy this time of year. It's good to have the transcripts up to read when we can't make it.
(10:16:55) (@roz1) gives a chance to keep up
(10:18:38) (mable) thanks for tonights chat Roz, Many Blessings Goodnight
(10:18:43) (@roz1) been great to see yu all
(10:18:56) (@roz1) Love and Light All
(10:19:02) (Moira) Lnl
(10:19:06) (@walksinspirit) Night Blessings Roz!