Post by Blu on Oct 2, 2007 22:48:11 GMT -5
Roz September 2, 2007
Revelations Chapter 8
[21:27] Roz> 1. AND WHEN HE OPENED THE SEVENTH SEAL, THERE WAS SILENCE IN HEAVEN FOR ABOUT THE SPACE OF HALF AN HOUR.
[21:28] Roz > The “silence in heaven for about the space of half an hour” is an interim to allow movement in consciousness. This enables the physical body to adjust to its new state.
2. THEN I SAW THE SEVEN ANGELS WHO STOOD BEFORE GOD, AND SEVEN TRUMPETS WERE GIVEN TO THEM.
[21:30] Roz > Mark I hunted for the the tribe of an but could find nothing on it, as to why it was not listed
[21:31] <MarkH> tribe of Dan?
[21:32] <mabel1> what chapter are we on please?? Roz
[21:32] Roz > Yes, Dan was one of the sons of Isaiah, perhaps it was one of the lost tribes
[21:32] Roz > chapter 8
[21:32] <MarkH> ok thanks Roz
[21:33] <Roz > The messengers are given the instruments to cause vibrational influences. The shape and vibrational tone “trumpets” are descriptive of the shape end vibrational tone of the seven transducers of the spiritual body to the physical body.
[21:33] <Roz > 3. AND ANOTHER ANGEL CAME AND STOOD AT THE ALTAR, AND HE HAD A GOLDEN CENSER; AND ABUNDAT INCENSE WAS GIVEN TO HIM THAT HE MIGHT OFFER IT WITH THE PRAYERS OF ALL SAINTS UPON THE GOLDEN ALTAR WHICH WAS BEFORE THE THRONE.
[21:34] <Roz > Another influence beyond the seven, also comes to aid. This is the initiator. The prayers of the saints are the desires of man in Godly activities.
[21:34] <Roz > 4. AND THE SMOKE OF THE INCENSE, WHICH CAME WITH, THE PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS ASCENDED UP BEFORE GOD OUT OF THE ANGEL’S HAND.
[21:35] <Roz > The olfactory nerve in the brain is very near the pituitary center. The reference to incense is that we are influenced by odors in the meditative state. The desire for Godly manifestation “prayers of the saints” moves to a conscious level.
[21:35] <Roz > anyone use incense in a meditative experience?
[21:36] <MarkH> not yet
[21:36] <Cris>
02 No
[21:36] <MarkH> what would be a good one?
[21:36] <Roz > me either
[21:36] <Roz > 5. AND THE ANGEL TOOK THE CENSER AND FILLED IT WITH FIRE OF THE ALTAR AND CAST IT UPON THE EARTH; AND THERE WERE VOICES AND THUNDERINGS AND LIGHTNINGS AND AN EARTHQUAKE.
[21:36] <mabel1> not yet-what's good?
[21:37] <Roz > would seem to me to be a distraction
[21:37] <Roz > perhaps sandalwood?
[21:37] <MarkH> ok
[21:37] <Roz > The “fire of the altar” is symbolic of sacrifice, affecting the physical. The exchange creates upheaval.
[21:38] <> this is a reference to the Kundalini the serpent fire, are you familiar w/ the Kundalini?
[21:38] <Cris>
02 Yes
[21:39] <MarkH> have read about it
[21:39] <mabel1> i don't know for sure
[21:39] <Cris>
02The rising energy within our bodies
[21:39] <Cris>
02 Once felt there is no mistaking it
[21:39] <Roz > yes Cris
[21:39] <mabel1> does it also have other names? like chi ??
[21:39] <Roz > exackle
[21:39] <Roz > yes mabel it does
[21:39] <Roz > 6. AND THE SEVEN ANGELS, WHO HAD THE SEVEN TRUMPETS, PREPARED THEMSELVES TO SOUND.
[21:40] <MarkH> that it's has something to do with the fall of man
[21:40] <Roz > this is the rising of the energy from the the gonad to the pineal
[21:41] <Roz > no mark, this is about the physical experiences during a meditative experience when the spiritual body connects with the physical body
[21:42] <Roz > The centers are in a state optimally prepared to deal with the changes that will occur when they become active.
[21:42] <MarkH> i meant that when man fell so did the fire
[21:43] <Roz > not to my knowledge it had no connection
[21:43] <MarkH> ok
[21:44] <Roz > this is about the physical , mental spiritual make up of Jesus Christ, hence us
[21:44] <Roz > HE WAS THE PROTOTYPE
[21:45] <Roz > 7. THE FIRST ANGEL SOUNDED, AND THERE FOLLOWED HAIL AND FIRE MINGLED WITH WATER, AND THEY WERE POURED UPON THE EARTH; AND A THIRD PART OF THE EARTH WAS BURNT UP AND A THIRD PART OF THE TREES WAS BURNT UP AND ALL GREEN GRASS WAS BURNT UP.
[21:45] <Roz > i agree
[21:45] <Roz > Combinations of elements hereto fore unable to mix: water and fire (cosmic force and psychic energy), God’s will and man’s will are now in physical manifestation. That which man has the ability to effect “third part” has changed properties. The outgrowth “trees and grass” also has changed properties.
[21:46] <Roz > 8. THEN THE. SECOND ANGEL SOUNDED, AND AS IT WERE A GREAT MOUNTAIN AFLAME. WITH FIRE WAS CAST INTO THE SEA; AND THE THIRD PART OF THE SEA BECAME BLOOD.
[21:47] <Roz > this is when the energy passes thru the lydig, which is the cellular memory of the body/ The spilling of the hormone secretions into the fluids of the body at the adrenal level mixes into the blood stream. this is dealing with the changes in the physical body in a meditative state
[21:55] <Mandy> oh goody...
[21:55] <Roz >
02[1]9. AND THE THIRD PART CF THE CREATURES WHICH WERE IN THE SEA, AND HAD LIFE, DIED; AND THE THIRD PART OF THE SHIPS WERE DESTROYED.
[21:57] <Roz >
02[1] The third part of the creatures of our unconscious “in the sea” that had life, died. The third part of the vehicles we use in the unconsciousness also died.
[21:58] <Mandy> WOW...enlarged! thank you dear
[21:59] <Roz >
02[1]10. AND THE THIRD ANGEL SOUNDED, AND THERE FELL A STAR FROM HEAVEN, BURNING AS THOUGH IT WERE A LAMP, AND IT FELL UPON THE THIRD PART OF THE RIVERS AND UPON THE FOUNTAINS OF WATERS;
[21:59] <Roz >
02[1] The lamp of the soul, the Christ Star (pineal), comes to redirect mans use of the Living Water.
[22:00] <Mandy> OMG I understand these teachings now!
[22:00] <Roz>
02[1]this is when the kundalini reaches the Christ center as yu are using the Lords' Prayer in preparation for meditation
[22:01] <Roz >
02[1] 11. THEN THE NAME OF THE STAR IS CALLED WORMWOOD; AND THE THIRD PART OF THE WATERS BECAME WORMWOOD; AND MANY MEN DIED OF THE WATERS, BECAUSE THEY WERE MADE BITTER.
[22:02] <Mandy> I had to leave here to find out what the teachings meant...now they are so clear
[22:02] <Roz >
02[1] It is a bitter experience when we examine the self in the light of Christ ness.
[22:02] <Roz >
02[1] good plan Mandy
[22:03] <Roz >
02[1] 12. AND THE FOURTH ANGEL SOUNDED, AND THE THIRD PART OF THE SUN WAS ECLIPSED AND THE THIRD PART OF THE MOON AND THE THIRD PART OF THE STARS, SO THAT THE THIRD PART OF THEM WAS DARKENED, AND THE DAY WAS DARKENED FOR A THIRD PART OF IT, AND THE NIGHT LIKEWISE.
[22:03] <Roz >
02[1] In this change we cut off any enlightenment other than the Godly way. This third part is the portion man has in the trinity. Man can only affect his third. We cannot change God and the Christ pattern is set. Man may participate in the Holy Spirit or not at his option.
[22:04] <Roz >
02[1] any questions or comments
[22:05] <Roz >
02[1]13. AND I BEHELD AND HEARD AN EAGLE, HAVING A TAIL RED AS IT WERE BLOOD, FLYING THROUGH THE MIDST OF HEAVEN, SAYING WITH A LOUD VOICE, WOE, WOE, WOE , TO THOSE WHO DWELL ON THE EARTH, BY REASON OF THE OTHER SOUNDS OF THE TRUMPETS OF THE THREE ANGELS WHICH ARE YET TO SOUND.
[22:05] <Mandy> this is the path of the Siddhas...from the 4th up...is this true Roz?
[22:05] <Roz >
02[1]the three lower chakras centers
[22:06] <Roz >
02[1]The eagle is symbolic of the thymus, heart center. This center’s secretions enter the bloodstream “ a tail red as it were blood”. There is much yet to do by reason of the “other sounds of the trumpets which are yet to sound”.
[22:06] <Mandy> the Siddhas being those who know..more and more
[22:07] <Roz >
02[1] you have the same source of knowledge Mandy
[22:07] <Roz >
02[1] 1. AND THE FIFTH ANGEL SOUNDED, AND I SAW A STAR FALL FROM HEAVEN UPON THE EARTH; AND TO HIM WAS GIVEN THE KEY TO THE BOTTOMLESS PIT.
[22:08] <Roz >
02[1] A source of light and guidance comes into consciousness “ a star fall from heaven upon the earth”. The key to the infinite possibilities ”bottomless pit” is the use of the will. The fifth center, at the base of the throat is the seat of the will.
[22:09] <Roz >
02[1]the phrase Lead us into paths of Righteousness of the Lords Prayer is the thymus
[22:10] <Roz >
02[1]2.AND HE OPENED THE BOTTOMLESS PIT; AND THERE AROSE A SMOKE OUT OF THE PIT LIKE SMOKE BELCHING FROM A GREAT FURNACE; AND THE SUN AND THE AIR WERE DARKENED BY REASON OF THE SMOKE OF THE PIT.
[22:10] <Mandy-> where is the Thymus ..I have been wondering so much lately Roz?
[22:11] <Roz >
02[1]Enlightenment is obscured by the activity of will in the depths of our being.
[22:11] <Mandy-> Oh Wow!
[22:11] <Roz >
02[1]thymus is the heart center
[22:11] <Mandy-> Will is the dominant feature in this play
[22:11] <Roz >
02[1] it has a role
[22:12] <Roz >
02[1]as all of the centers
[22:12] <Mandy-> how do you stop the dominant feature from arising
[22:12] <Roz >
02[1]make it One with God's will
[22:13] <Mandy-> smile
[22:13] <Roz >
02[1]Thy will Be done in divine Order
[22:13] <Mandy-> Thy will be done
[22:13] <Roz >
02[1]Locusts are symbolic of divine judgments. The power of the scorpions is the power of worldly desires of inversion and illusion.
[22:13] <Roz >
02[1] exackle Mandy
[22:14] <Roz >
02[1]and we all have some of these
[22:14] <Mandy-> exacle...I missed your words
[22:14] <Roz >
02[1] worldly desires of inversion and illusion
[22:14] <mayelle>
12[1]what is that inversion??
[22:15] <Mandy-> how does one dissolve the twists around ones chakras..Thy Will Be Done?
[22:15] <mayelle> I don't know what it means !!
[22:15] <Roz >
02[1]it is the opposite of progression
[22:15] <MarkH> it's like perversion
[22:15] <mayelle>
12[1]like regression??
[22:15] <Roz >
02[1]going back into oneself
[22:15] <Mandy-> backwards...yuck
[22:15] <MarkH> backwards
[22:16] <mayelle>
12[1]illusion like delusions?? then?
[22:16] <Roz >
02[1]meditation and healthful life patterns
[22:16] <Roz>
02[1]yes mabel yu got it
[22:17] <Roz >
02[1]4. AND IT WAS COMMANDED THEM THAT THEY SHOULD NOT HURT THE GRASS OF THE EARTH, NEITHER ANY GREEN THING, NEITHER ANY TREE; BUT ONLY THOSE MEN WHO DO NOT HAVE THE SEAL OF GOD ON THEIR BROWS.
[22:17] < Roz
02[1] This power does not hurt the protective, nurturing earth body. Only the ungodly attributes and motives are to change.
[22:19] <Roz >
02[1] 5. AND THEY WERE COMMANDED THAT THEY SHOULD NOT KILL THEM, BUT THAT THEY SHOULD BE TORMENTED FIVE MONTHS; AND THEIR TORMENT WAS AS THE TORMENT OF A SCORPION WHEN IT STRIKES A MAN.
[22:19] <Cris>
02 Sure
[22:20] <Roz >
02[1]We are now aware of the actions and true reactions of our ungodliness. The only way man may progress towards Christness is by desire consuming desire: by use of the will. Scorpion is symbolic of inversion and desire. They sting with their tails. Five months is the time it takes to change a habit pattern. The pain lasts until such times as it takes to change a habit pattern. The pain lasts until such times, as our reactions “
[22:21] <Roz >
02[1]we change a habit by replacing it w/ a new one
[22:21] <Mandy> hummm.ok then
[22:21] <Roz >
02[1] desire consuming desire
[22:21] <mayelle>
12[1]does 5 months seem a little long??
[22:22] <Mandy> eating your own tail..it is said
[22:22] <Roz >
02[1] I didn't make the rules!!LOL
[22:22] <MarkH>
04[1]small price i would say
[22:22] <Roz >
02[1] exackle Mark
[22:22] <Mandy> very short if you get it..God save us
[22:23] <Roz >
02[1]and there is always help
[22:23] <mayelle>
12[1]divine guidance?
[22:23] <Mandy> Roz what is it like to be in bliss?
[22:23] <MarkH>
04[1]blissful?
[22:23] <Roz >
02[1]EXCASTIC
[22:23] <Mandy> lol
[22:24] <Mandy> Is it hard to live in the world?
[22:24] <Roz >
02[1] We become a light in the earth as it is our destiny
[22:24] <mayelle>
12[1]are you in constant Bliss?
[22:24] <Roz >
02[1]the great commission
[22:25] <Roz >
02[1]no but it comes much oftener
[22:25] <Mandy> No Teacher will ever answer me in the way I want! LOL..it is OK...I am still ecstatic to be near You
[22:25] <Roz >
02[1]AWESOME
[22:25] <Roz >
02[1]ask me any question Mandy
[22:26] <Mandy> What is this feeling I shy away from lately..where will it lead..why is it here?
[22:26] <Roz >
02[1]I am awed out of my gourd by the guidance of God
[22:26] <Roz >
02[1]and we and led an d guided every moment of our lives
[22:27] <Roz >
02[1]it is an awesome thing Mandy,,, fearful even
[22:27] <Mandy> I love God too..in a divine way now....it is hard to go to work now in this state..and I wonder what will become of me
[22:27] <MarkH>
04[1]thanks you for study Roz
[22:28] <Roz>
02[1]oh you will be a better worker MANDY
[22:28] <Mandy> Where are you Roz...? I can understand some things
[22:28] <Roz >
02[1]you are so welcome Mark
[22:29] <Mandy> where are you inside
[22:30] <Roz >
02[1] a pilgrim like you
[22:30] <Mandy> hummm..I never knew what the word pilgrim meant
[22:30] <Roz >
02[1]learning and experiencing
[22:30] <Mandy> sorry to interrupt the study
[22:30] <Mandy> ok
[22:30] <Roz >
02[1]not at all
[22:31] <mayelle>
12[1]your questions are good for me too to hear Mandy thank you both
[22:31] <Roz >
02[1]It is not to be that man can escape from the consequences of actions, even if he seeks cessation, death, to escape the pain of self-knowledge.
[22:31] <MarkH>
04[1]what i was trying to say a bit ago,..is that at one time the fire flow through us the way it should but when man started doing his will regardless of others the fire fell
[22:32] <Roz >
02[1]we are reclaiming our rightful heritage mark
[22:32] <Roz >
02[1] 7. AND THE SHAPES OF THE LOCUSTS WERE LIKE HORSES PREPARED FOR BATTLE; AND ON THEIR HEADS WERE, AS IT WERE; CROWNS LIKE GOLD, AND THEIR FACES WERE LIKE FACES OF MEN.
[22:32] <MarkH>
04[1] yes
[22:33] <Roz >
02[1]The Life Force’s hormonal messengers are bearing elements of consequences. Ruling factors see that self meets self, ever. In each other we find redemption “faces like faces of men”.
[22:33] <Roz >
02[1]self meets self ever
[22:33] <Mandy> You were the Teacher the Whole Time...and I never knew it
[22:34] <Roz >
02[1]8.AND THEY HAD HAIR LIKE THE HAIR OF WOMEN, AND THEIR TEETH WERE LIKE THE TEETH OF LIONS The energies are passive and seductive “heir like the hair of women”. The means of assimilation “teeth like teeth of lions” is acute and powerful.
[22:35] < Roz
02[1]As everyone you meet is a teacher
[22:35] <Mandy> some are much more
[22:36] <Roz >
02[1] we only make it on the arm of a friend
[22:37] <Mandy> yes...it seems to be..lol
[22:37] < Roz
02[1]we'll stop there for this evening so glad yu all came
[22:37] <mayelle>
06 thank you Roz and all
[22:37] <Roz >
02[1]any additions or updates on the prayer list
[22:38] <Cris>
02 Thanks Roz
[22:38] <Mandy> I have a friend so Enlightened..but was stopped in her progression...oh how we stop ourselves sometimes
[22:38] <Roz >
02[1]Almighty God, Creator, Sustainer… Use our focus for the healing in Mind, Body, & Spirit. We are ever mindful that Thou art the Healer: The A.R.E., Members Of The Study, Those who have lost loved ones, Patrick Meredith, Wanda’s Mom & Friend, Tess, Jan, Foxy Di, Melinda’s Father (who is near death), Melinda’s Brother & Sister, Stephanie Herron, Lurlean Long, Retha Smith, Michel, Lynn, Our World Leaders, Our Armed Forc
[22:38] <Roz >
02[1]Amen
[22:38] <Cris>
02 Amen
[22:38] <MarkH>
04[1]Amen
[22:38] <mayelle>
06 Amen
[22:39] <Roz >
02[1]Love and Light All
[22:39] <MarkH>
04[1]take care everyone and thanks
[22:39] <Mandy> Sheba for the prayer list
[22:39] <Cris>
02 Blessings Roz
[22:39] <Roz >
02[1]okie mandy
[22:39] <Mandy> Amen
[22:39] <Roz > okie Mandy
[22:39] <Mandy> Amen
[22:39] <mayelle> good night everyone thanks again
[22:39] <Mandy> Glory Hallelujah
[22:39] <Roz > promise to have a great week