Post by WalksInSpirit on Jan 7, 2007 23:06:37 GMT -5
The Essene Gospel Of Peace: 01-07-07
(09:26:36) (Leon) This topic sounds interesting, Roz
(09:26:54) (Host-Roz) yes it is Leon it 's nifty
(09:26:58) (ernie) peace is good
(09:27:12) (Leon) peace is good
(09:27:23) (Hera) Peace is God :)
(09:27:32) (merri) sync
(09:27:40) (ernie) God is peace
(09:27:46) (Hera) :)
(09:27:57) (Host-Roz) since we are of one accord lets center
(09:28:05) (ernie) so we need to tell everyone that seems to have it wrong
(09:28:23) (ernie) k
(09:28:31) (Host-Roz) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God…feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(09:28:41) (Host-Roz) Amen
(09:28:45) (Cris) amen
(09:28:52) (ernie) amen
(09:28:53) (Hera) amen
(09:28:57) (merri) Amen
(09:28:58) (Leon) amen
(09:29:00) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:29:08) (Curious) Amen
(09:29:10) (Blu) Amen
(09:29:55) (Host-Roz) From the remote ages of antiquity a remarkable teaching has which is universal in its application and ageless in its Fragments of it are found in Sumerian hieroglyphs and stones dating back some eight or ten thousand years.
(09:31:06) (Host-Roz) this treatise is a compliation of material from the dead sea scrolls and other material
(09:32:17) (Host-Roz) Some of the symbols, such as for the sun, moon, air, water and natural forces, are from an even earlier age preceding the age that ended the Pleistocene period. How many thousands previous to that the teaching existed is unknown.
(09:33:41) (Host-Roz) To study and practice this teaching is to reawaken within the heart of every man an intuitive knowledge that can solve his individual problems and the problems of the world
(09:34:12) (Hera) ***an aside*** one of the oldest known drawings done by homo sapiens is thought to be a drawing of Orion
(09:34:35) (Host-Roz) references are made of the Essenes in Malichi calling them the school of the Prophets
(09:34:36) (merri) interesting
(09:34:41) (Hera) the drawing is 32, 000 years old
(09:35:39) (Host-Roz) Traces of the teaching have appeared in almost every country religion. Its fundamental principles were taught in ancient Egypt, India, Tibet, China, Palestine, Greece and many countries. But it has been transmitted in its most pure form Essenes, that mysterious brotherhood which lived during two or three centuries B.C. and the first century of the Christian era at the Dead Sea in Palestine and at Lake Mareotis in Egypt. In Palestine and Syria the member
(09:37:16) (Host-Roz) They are known as Essenes and in Egypt as Therapeutae, or healers.the esoteric part of. their teaching is given in the Tree of Life, Essene Communions with the Angels, and the Sevenfold Peace, among others. The exoteric or outer teaching appears in Book One The Essene Gospel of Peace” and the recently discovered Sea Scrolls.
(09:39:02) (Host-Roz) The origin of the brotherhood is said to be unknown, and derivation of the name is uncertain. Some believe it comes from Esnoch, or Enoch, and claim him to be their founder, their Communions with the angelic world having first been given to Him
(09:39:45) (Host-Roz) interesting in that we have just concluded a study of the Secrets of Enoch
(09:41:49) (Host-Roz) Others consider the name comes from Israel, the elects of the people to. whom Moses brought forth the Communions at Mount Sinai where they were revealed to him by the the angelic world. But whatever their origin, it is certain the Essenes existed for a very long time, perhaps under other names In other lands.
(09:42:11) (Al-A) www.thenazareneway.com/essenes_and_their_teaching.htm
(09:42:22) (Al-A) Verbatim
(09:44:52) (Host-Roz) The teaching appears in the Zend Avesta of Zarathustra, translated it into a way of life that was followed for thousands years. It contains the fundamental concepts of Brahmanism Vedas and the Upanishads; and the Yoga systems of India from the same source. Buddha later gave forth essentially the basic ideas and his sacred Bodhi tree is correlated with the Tree of Life. In Tibet the teaching once more found explain the Tibetan Wheel of Life.
(09:45:55) (Host-Roz) The Essenes lived on the shores of lakes and rivers, away from cities and towns, and practiced a communal way of life, sharing equally in everything. They were mainly agriculturists and arboriculturists, having a vast knowledge of crops, soil and climatic conditions which enabled them to grow a remarkable variety of fruits and vegetables in comparatively desert areas and with a minimum of labor.
(09:46:38) (Host-Roz) I visited the ruins of a commune of the Essenes when I was in Israel
(09:47:06) (WalksInSpirit) Wow! I bet that was awesome, Roz!
(09:47:07) (ernie) share
(09:47:18) (WalksInSpirit) How did you feel there?
(09:47:28) (Cris) Did you feel you had been there before Roz?
(09:47:39) (Host-Roz) Awed
(09:47:51) (Host-Roz) yes Cris I did
(09:48:03) (Host-Roz) They had no servants or slaves and were said to have been the first people to condemn slavery both in theory and practice. There were no rich and no poor amongst them, both conditions being considered by them as deviations from the Law. They established their own economic system, based wholly on the Law, and showed that mans food and material needs can be attained without struggle through knowledge of the Law.
(09:48:08) (WalksInSpirit) I bet! That is way cool, Roz!
(09:48:51) (ernie) sounds peacefull
(09:49:11) (Host-Roz) They spent much time in study both of ancient writings and special branches of learning such as education, healing and astronomy. They were the heirs of Chaldean and Persian Astronomy, and Egyptian arts of healing. They were adept in prophecy for which they preparedly prolong fasting. In the use f plants and herbs for healing mankind and beast they were likewise proficient.
(09:49:18) (Cris) We chould choose to live like that now if people would cooperate
(09:50:07) (Host-Roz) we in all probablilty all members at one time
(09:50:30) (Wanda) I think so
(09:50:30) (WalksInSpirit) Yep, Cris. But, there's too many Chiefs and not enough Indians.... ;-)
(09:50:42) (Richard) A good opportunity to forgive those uncooperative individuals Cris.
(09:50:54) (Host-Roz) They lived a simple regular life, rising each day before sunrise to study and commune with the forces of nature, bathiin cold water as a ritual and donning white garments. After their daily labor in the fields and vineyards they partook of their meals in silence, preceding them ending them with prayer. In their profound respect for all living things they never touched flesh foods, nor they drink did fermented liquids. Their evenings were devoted to study and commune with the heavenly forces
(09:52:58) (Host-Roz) Evening was the beginning of their day, and their Sabbath, or holy day, began on Friday evening, the first day of their week. This day was given to study, discussion, the entertaining of visitors and the playing of certain musical instruments, relics of which have been discovered.
(09:53:40) (Host-Roz) Their way of life enabled them to live to advanced ages of 120years or more and they were said to have marvelous strength and endurance. In all their activities they expressed creative love.
(09:54:23) (Host-Roz) They sent out healers and teachers from the brotherhoods, amongst whom were Elijah, John the Baptist, John the Beloved and the great Essene Master, Jesus.
(09:54:49) (Al-A) Cayce said Jesus was not an Essene
(09:55:09) (Host-Roz) Membership in the brotherhood was attainable only after a probationary period of a year and three years of initiatory work, followed by seven more years before being admitted to the full inner teaching.
(09:56:03) (Host-Roz) this concludes the study for this evening
(09:56:43) (Host-Roz) questions or comments?
(09:57:07) (WalksInSpirit) AWESOME study tonight, Roz! I really enjoyed it!
(09:57:29) (Host-Roz) Thanks Wis
(09:57:42) (ernie) si
(09:57:49) (Blu) wonderful roz, thank you
(09:58:09) (Cris) Thanks Roz
(09:58:43) (Host-Roz) glad you like it too and we've only began
(09:59:26) (Host-Roz) This is a very comprehensive study we have begun
(09:59:55) (Richard) In'The Disappearance of the Univers' we are told that J' (Jesus actually had a falling out with Essenes... that they eventually all join with the Jews to fight against the Romans which they hated as well.
(10:00:21) (WalksInSpirit) Well, I can't wait for more!
(10:01:07) (Host-Roz) dont believe it Richard
(10:01:24) (Wanda) Thank you Roz. Feel a special bond with these people
(10:01:38) (Richard) They believed more the way John the Babtist taught, and followed the letter of the Law, while J' was trying to bring people out of the world.
(10:01:42) (Host-Roz) yes I think we all do
(10:01:46) (ernie) who knows look at the mess were in now at present
(10:01:48) (Al-A) For, John was more the Essene than Jesus. For Jesus held rather to the spirit of the law, and John to the letter of same. Cayce 2067-11
(10:01:50) (Bill) it was the purity of the Essenes that brought Jesus into the phyical at that time
(10:02:14) (Al-A) Yes Bill
(10:02:58) (Host-Roz) yes in the study we had on the birth of Jesus
(10:03:44) (Host-Roz) it is now open chat
(10:03:46) (WalksInSpirit) I dunno, Richard... that "Dissappearance Of The Universe" ... I get a huge resistance in my spirit to that. A "repelling." It may be right for you, but personally, I get the "RUN, DON'T WALK" from it feeling.
(10:04:04) (Host-Roz) exackle Wis
(10:04:53) (Richard) Admittedly I do too WIS... but there are some very interesting points that coordinate with the Cayce Material as well as the Bible.
(10:05:01) (Cris) I think you have to go with what reasonates for you
(10:05:26) (Cris) The truth may be different for different people
(10:05:28) (Host-Roz) it is an account of some channeled material
(10:05:49) (Richard) One main point was the Jesus didn't come to be worshiped or to build a religion but to get us to follow him out of this world.
(10:06:09) (Bill) listen to the voice within most spiritual writings have some treasures in them to sauver
(10:06:53) (Richard) Ego is the problem. As we blaim we are blaimed.
(10:07:08) (ernie) amen
(10:07:13) (Al-A) Self is the o0nly problem according to Cayce.
(10:07:30) (ernie) greed
(10:07:34) (merri) what is ego if not self
(10:07:50) (Richard) I have something to share from the concepts of Budda which Jesus studied himself.
(10:07:54) (Al-A) Exactly.
(10:08:02) (ernie) share
(10:08:46) (Richard) Bodhisattva is a point to be achieved befor becoming Budda...
(10:08:58) (Richard) The Four Great Vows.
(10:09:08) (WalksInSpirit) As soon as the word "channelled" comes up in connection to something, the little red flags go up, and it immediately turns me off. I don't like channelled stuff.
(10:09:26) (Richard) 1.I vow to liberate all beings without number.
(10:09:49) (Richard) 2. I vow to penetrate endless blind passions.
(10:09:55) (Host-Roz) gotcha Wis me too
(10:10:16) (Al-A) The Self The Brings Your Individuality into manifestation is the Same One That Leads To Life, the other leads to death while in the flesh.
(10:10:23) (Richard) 3. I vow to penetrate dharma gates beyond measure.
(10:10:34) (Cris) People forget that not everyone who passes on has the wisdom of the ages
(10:10:42) (Richard) 4. I vow to attain the way of the Budda.
(10:11:01) (Host-Roz) they only leave a shell of themselves
(10:11:29) (Cris) If they channel it's only what they currently know it may not even be close to "the big picture"
(10:11:38) (Al-A) It is a given the soul lives on.
(10:11:39) (Richard) Arten and Pursha were Ascended Masters that appeared in the flesh..
(10:11:40) (merri) what's the difference between channeling and a medium WIS
(10:11:49) (Al-A) Rotting flesh is not the way.
(10:11:56) (Wanda) but you did like Ruth Montgomery WIS.
(10:12:07) (Al-A) Jesus died so as we should not have to.
(10:12:19) (Wanda) and that was a form of channeling
(10:12:23) (Richard) Jesus didn't die.
(10:12:35) (Al-A) He died on the cross.
(10:12:40) (merri) Cayce was also a form of channeling
(10:12:45) (WalksInSpirit) A medium is like an interpreter
(10:12:51) (Al-A) His flesh died and was Raised.
(10:13:10) (Richard) Good point merri... We see in Cayce how such can be mastered.
(10:13:11) (Al-A) He died so as we should not have to.
(10:13:27) (merri) he gave information from a Source
(10:13:40) (Al-A) He died so the Law of Grace may become a reality to all who hold on to His Commandments.
(10:13:45) (WalksInSpirit) A medium sees and hears spirits. A spirit will tell a medium a message to give to a loved one here in this world. Then, the medium relays the message. The medium never gives up control of their body to the spirit.
(10:14:01) (Blu) For the most part Cayce channeled his Higher Self, not other entities
(10:14:10) (Al-A) Yes Blu
(10:14:24) (WalksInSpirit) A channeller steps aside and allows a spirit to take over their body.
(10:14:29) (Al-A) Or Those of Heaven.
(10:14:56) (Blu) The master spoke through him a few times
(10:15:10) (Al-A) Often many of the Great White Brotherhood spoke through him depending on the person and the subject.
(10:15:18) (WalksInSpirit) Huge difference between mediumship and channelling.
(10:15:28) (Al-A) A host of names were given.
(10:15:50) (Al-A) But is was not of the borderlands coming through.
(10:16:02) (merri) But Blu you can say that about any medium or one who channels
(10:16:04) (Richard) And then there are the Ascended masters that we have evidence of who appear to be normal people.
(10:16:19) (merri) it is their Higher self speaking
(10:16:19) (Al-A) He Was Raised To The Heights of Heaven while under hypnosis.
(10:16:47) (Blu) as with Heialiel (sp?) he chose not to listen to them at times, or accept it's offer
(10:17:06) (Cris) You have to carefully listen to what is being said. With some people who channel it's all about the money to be made.
(10:17:25) (ernie) he was reading a cd in a way the way he explains it
(10:17:32) (Al-A) Those who give it away are thought not as valid at times.
(10:17:32) (Cris) I feel no spirituality with some
(10:17:32) (Bill) i believe those who came through Cayce we Angels of a higher realm not spirits
(10:17:38) (Richard) Brings testing the Spirits to mind.
(10:17:46) (Blu) Yes you could Merri, this is a choice we make, who we chose to listen too. I chose to listen to MOST , not all, that cayce says, because it resonates with my own Higher self
(10:17:49) (WalksInSpirit) With Ruth Montgomery... I was intrigued in her concept of Walk-Ins. Not so much the complete body of what she did.
(10:18:06) (Richard) Me too WIS.
(10:18:20) (Al-A) That too Bill.
(10:18:22) (WalksInSpirit) Because I had never heard that concept before, and was... curious.
(10:18:51) (Al-A) I'm sure however4 the willing vehicle best Served Gods purpose was he Used.
(10:18:52) (Richard) I went looking for Ruths last book in the closet and found my copy of the Disappearance of the Univers.
(10:19:20) (Blu) for example, cayce gave some very racist readings, I choose to ignore them
(10:19:23) (Cris) I think Cayce's guides were higher or I wouldn't be here but that isn't true for everyone
(10:19:42) (Al-A) Maybe they weren't racist at all.
(10:20:10) (Blu) oh but they were. However, it is said he was "influenced"
(10:20:16) (Al-A) I'm familiar with them.
(10:20:18) (Wanda) Have not read those Blu
(10:20:29) (Al-A) Maybe it had tio do with the individual present.
(10:20:40) (Blu) negatives around him could influence a reading, which is why in the later years he was more protected by those around him
(10:20:48) (Al-A) And the way best seen to get througthh to that individual.
(10:21:18) (Cris) I think some of his early scribes changed some of the wording of the readings
(10:21:18) (Al-A) It is not the words, but the consciouisness behind them that give their true power or meaning. Cayce
(10:21:41) (Cris) More to reflect the view of the time or make it fit
(10:22:14) (Cris) They didn't realize the readings would still be read today
(10:22:25) (merri) I've had that feeling also Cris
(10:22:40) (ernie) makes sence
(10:22:45) (merri) his very early readings sound different from the later readings
(10:23:16) (Cris) He didn't have a reliable secretary yet either
(10:23:24) (merri) and I don't see a big difference between channeling and mediumship only the way it's presented
(10:23:35) (Al-A) In truth most of the really under developed souls come in as black for a time.
(10:23:43) (Al-A) Which was just a truth.
(10:24:02) (Al-A) Look at what they hasve been through and are still going through.
(10:24:07) (Richard) There is a natural difference that occured with the progression... With advent of the Sudy Group the questions became more spicific.
(10:24:16) (Al-A) Taking into account nothing is by chance.
(10:25:04) (Cris) I have a close friend who is a medium and she tells me those readings reflect the level of those who come through her. If they weren't bright on earth they might not be in death because of their soul level
(10:25:25) (Al-A) Yes that is true Cris each is given as they merit.
(10:26:00) (Cris) She says those that aren't as advanced tire her out much faster
(10:26:24) (merri) probably takes more energy
(10:26:49) (Bill) dieing doesn't make you any smarter
(10:27:14) (Cris) I agree with that Bill
(10:27:16) (WalksInSpirit) Merri, Mediumship would be me giving you directions to downtown. Channelling would be you sliding over into the passenger's seat and allowing me to drive you there.
(10:27:17) (Host-Roz) got that right Bill
(10:27:21) (Al-A) Yes
(10:27:25) (Wanda) shucks. I was hoping
(10:28:19) (Al-A) Application, love, prayer, meditation will get you places.
(10:28:24) (Richard) Befor I forget Roz thanks for the article concerning the differeancs with Muslims... passed it on to a friend who really enjoyed it too. Very informative.
(10:28:27) (merri) it is info coming from whatever source whether it's channeled or a given thru a medium
(10:28:57) (Bill) but evidently we still have the opportunity to advance or regress on the next plain
(10:29:04) (Al-A) Yes
(10:29:18) (Host-Roz) yw Richard
(10:29:35) (WalksInSpirit) Well, I have found that you're more likely to get ahold of a lower-level negative entity through channelling than with mediumship.
(10:29:48) (Al-A) And if you need a major overhaul welcome to Saturn after death.
(10:29:53) (WalksInSpirit) Because with mediumship, you are still in control.
(10:30:07) (Wanda) ty too Roz. Helped make the situation clearer
(10:30:17) (merri) how so WIS
(10:30:28) (WalksInSpirit) With channelling, you're not. You give up control and allow another spirit to take over. Those lower-level ones enjoy doin that.
(10:30:35) (merri) those around Cayce were the control
(10:30:57) (WalksInSpirit) with mediumship, you get to say what types of spirits you want in contact with you.
(10:31:26) (Al-A) Those who are so unselfish as to allow His Spirit to take their place come to Know Him.
(10:31:28) (merri) I don't believe that is true in all cases WIS
(10:31:48) (Al-A) Cayce had no control, all was given up freely to Him.
(10:32:15) (Al-A) Self is laid aside in hypnosis to allow the subconscious to come throughhj./
(10:32:26) (WalksInSpirit) Oh, I do. From personal experience. When I'd do readings, I'd say a Prayer Of Protection and ask that only White Light Spirits come into contact with me.
(10:32:33) (Richard) Good point Al-A.
(10:33:08) (WalksInSpirit) I heard John Edward say that he does the same thing, and isn't contacted by negative lower-level entities.
(10:33:30) (merri) and you can do the same with channeling
(10:33:45) (Bill) TY Roz L&L folks
(10:33:46) (Al-A) John Edwards doesn't seem compleately legit to me.
(10:34:22) (WalksInSpirit) With channelling, you give over your control. You hang the "Out To Lunch" sign up and allow another entity to take over your body for a time.
(10:34:33) (WalksInSpirit) That is what people don't understand.
(10:34:59) (merri) that entity doesn't have to be of a lower source either
(10:35:26) (WalksInSpirit) What if a stronger lower-level entity comes along and takes over?
(10:35:28) (merri) affirmations are said there also
(10:35:33) (WalksInSpirit) That has happened before.
(10:36:01) (merri) so has bad info coming from a medium
(10:36:32) (WalksInSpirit) They look for any little crack they can use to do that.
(10:37:19) (WalksInSpirit) Of course! Any time you add the human element (i.e. the medium interpreting the information) there is going to be errors.
(10:37:20) (merri) I think as Blu said, it's all in what you choose to believe
(10:38:42) (Richard) Times up for me too this evening. See yall next week and have a good one. Sweet dreams.
(10:38:45) (WalksInSpirit) I am a medium. I see and hear spirits. Have all my life. That don't bother me. But, there is no way I'd ever allow another entity to take over my body!
(10:39:33) (merri) have you ever read any of the Seth material WIS
(10:39:45) (Blu) It was nice to see a nice chat and no flaring
(10:40:08) (merri) LOL goes with ignoring
(10:40:15) (Blu) LOL
(10:41:04) (Wanda) We are growing in patience
(10:41:09) (WalksInSpirit) Naw
(10:41:47) (merri) the Seth material was channeled and lots of precaution was taken
(10:43:13) (Host-Roz) Light and Love all
(09:26:54) (Host-Roz) yes it is Leon it 's nifty
(09:26:58) (ernie) peace is good
(09:27:12) (Leon) peace is good
(09:27:23) (Hera) Peace is God :)
(09:27:32) (merri) sync
(09:27:40) (ernie) God is peace
(09:27:46) (Hera) :)
(09:27:57) (Host-Roz) since we are of one accord lets center
(09:28:05) (ernie) so we need to tell everyone that seems to have it wrong
(09:28:23) (ernie) k
(09:28:31) (Host-Roz) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God…feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(09:28:41) (Host-Roz) Amen
(09:28:45) (Cris) amen
(09:28:52) (ernie) amen
(09:28:53) (Hera) amen
(09:28:57) (merri) Amen
(09:28:58) (Leon) amen
(09:29:00) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:29:08) (Curious) Amen
(09:29:10) (Blu) Amen
(09:29:55) (Host-Roz) From the remote ages of antiquity a remarkable teaching has which is universal in its application and ageless in its Fragments of it are found in Sumerian hieroglyphs and stones dating back some eight or ten thousand years.
(09:31:06) (Host-Roz) this treatise is a compliation of material from the dead sea scrolls and other material
(09:32:17) (Host-Roz) Some of the symbols, such as for the sun, moon, air, water and natural forces, are from an even earlier age preceding the age that ended the Pleistocene period. How many thousands previous to that the teaching existed is unknown.
(09:33:41) (Host-Roz) To study and practice this teaching is to reawaken within the heart of every man an intuitive knowledge that can solve his individual problems and the problems of the world
(09:34:12) (Hera) ***an aside*** one of the oldest known drawings done by homo sapiens is thought to be a drawing of Orion
(09:34:35) (Host-Roz) references are made of the Essenes in Malichi calling them the school of the Prophets
(09:34:36) (merri) interesting
(09:34:41) (Hera) the drawing is 32, 000 years old
(09:35:39) (Host-Roz) Traces of the teaching have appeared in almost every country religion. Its fundamental principles were taught in ancient Egypt, India, Tibet, China, Palestine, Greece and many countries. But it has been transmitted in its most pure form Essenes, that mysterious brotherhood which lived during two or three centuries B.C. and the first century of the Christian era at the Dead Sea in Palestine and at Lake Mareotis in Egypt. In Palestine and Syria the member
(09:37:16) (Host-Roz) They are known as Essenes and in Egypt as Therapeutae, or healers.the esoteric part of. their teaching is given in the Tree of Life, Essene Communions with the Angels, and the Sevenfold Peace, among others. The exoteric or outer teaching appears in Book One The Essene Gospel of Peace” and the recently discovered Sea Scrolls.
(09:39:02) (Host-Roz) The origin of the brotherhood is said to be unknown, and derivation of the name is uncertain. Some believe it comes from Esnoch, or Enoch, and claim him to be their founder, their Communions with the angelic world having first been given to Him
(09:39:45) (Host-Roz) interesting in that we have just concluded a study of the Secrets of Enoch
(09:41:49) (Host-Roz) Others consider the name comes from Israel, the elects of the people to. whom Moses brought forth the Communions at Mount Sinai where they were revealed to him by the the angelic world. But whatever their origin, it is certain the Essenes existed for a very long time, perhaps under other names In other lands.
(09:42:11) (Al-A) www.thenazareneway.com/essenes_and_their_teaching.htm
(09:42:22) (Al-A) Verbatim
(09:44:52) (Host-Roz) The teaching appears in the Zend Avesta of Zarathustra, translated it into a way of life that was followed for thousands years. It contains the fundamental concepts of Brahmanism Vedas and the Upanishads; and the Yoga systems of India from the same source. Buddha later gave forth essentially the basic ideas and his sacred Bodhi tree is correlated with the Tree of Life. In Tibet the teaching once more found explain the Tibetan Wheel of Life.
(09:45:55) (Host-Roz) The Essenes lived on the shores of lakes and rivers, away from cities and towns, and practiced a communal way of life, sharing equally in everything. They were mainly agriculturists and arboriculturists, having a vast knowledge of crops, soil and climatic conditions which enabled them to grow a remarkable variety of fruits and vegetables in comparatively desert areas and with a minimum of labor.
(09:46:38) (Host-Roz) I visited the ruins of a commune of the Essenes when I was in Israel
(09:47:06) (WalksInSpirit) Wow! I bet that was awesome, Roz!
(09:47:07) (ernie) share
(09:47:18) (WalksInSpirit) How did you feel there?
(09:47:28) (Cris) Did you feel you had been there before Roz?
(09:47:39) (Host-Roz) Awed
(09:47:51) (Host-Roz) yes Cris I did
(09:48:03) (Host-Roz) They had no servants or slaves and were said to have been the first people to condemn slavery both in theory and practice. There were no rich and no poor amongst them, both conditions being considered by them as deviations from the Law. They established their own economic system, based wholly on the Law, and showed that mans food and material needs can be attained without struggle through knowledge of the Law.
(09:48:08) (WalksInSpirit) I bet! That is way cool, Roz!
(09:48:51) (ernie) sounds peacefull
(09:49:11) (Host-Roz) They spent much time in study both of ancient writings and special branches of learning such as education, healing and astronomy. They were the heirs of Chaldean and Persian Astronomy, and Egyptian arts of healing. They were adept in prophecy for which they preparedly prolong fasting. In the use f plants and herbs for healing mankind and beast they were likewise proficient.
(09:49:18) (Cris) We chould choose to live like that now if people would cooperate
(09:50:07) (Host-Roz) we in all probablilty all members at one time
(09:50:30) (Wanda) I think so
(09:50:30) (WalksInSpirit) Yep, Cris. But, there's too many Chiefs and not enough Indians.... ;-)
(09:50:42) (Richard) A good opportunity to forgive those uncooperative individuals Cris.
(09:50:54) (Host-Roz) They lived a simple regular life, rising each day before sunrise to study and commune with the forces of nature, bathiin cold water as a ritual and donning white garments. After their daily labor in the fields and vineyards they partook of their meals in silence, preceding them ending them with prayer. In their profound respect for all living things they never touched flesh foods, nor they drink did fermented liquids. Their evenings were devoted to study and commune with the heavenly forces
(09:52:58) (Host-Roz) Evening was the beginning of their day, and their Sabbath, or holy day, began on Friday evening, the first day of their week. This day was given to study, discussion, the entertaining of visitors and the playing of certain musical instruments, relics of which have been discovered.
(09:53:40) (Host-Roz) Their way of life enabled them to live to advanced ages of 120years or more and they were said to have marvelous strength and endurance. In all their activities they expressed creative love.
(09:54:23) (Host-Roz) They sent out healers and teachers from the brotherhoods, amongst whom were Elijah, John the Baptist, John the Beloved and the great Essene Master, Jesus.
(09:54:49) (Al-A) Cayce said Jesus was not an Essene
(09:55:09) (Host-Roz) Membership in the brotherhood was attainable only after a probationary period of a year and three years of initiatory work, followed by seven more years before being admitted to the full inner teaching.
(09:56:03) (Host-Roz) this concludes the study for this evening
(09:56:43) (Host-Roz) questions or comments?
(09:57:07) (WalksInSpirit) AWESOME study tonight, Roz! I really enjoyed it!
(09:57:29) (Host-Roz) Thanks Wis
(09:57:42) (ernie) si
(09:57:49) (Blu) wonderful roz, thank you
(09:58:09) (Cris) Thanks Roz
(09:58:43) (Host-Roz) glad you like it too and we've only began
(09:59:26) (Host-Roz) This is a very comprehensive study we have begun
(09:59:55) (Richard) In'The Disappearance of the Univers' we are told that J' (Jesus actually had a falling out with Essenes... that they eventually all join with the Jews to fight against the Romans which they hated as well.
(10:00:21) (WalksInSpirit) Well, I can't wait for more!
(10:01:07) (Host-Roz) dont believe it Richard
(10:01:24) (Wanda) Thank you Roz. Feel a special bond with these people
(10:01:38) (Richard) They believed more the way John the Babtist taught, and followed the letter of the Law, while J' was trying to bring people out of the world.
(10:01:42) (Host-Roz) yes I think we all do
(10:01:46) (ernie) who knows look at the mess were in now at present
(10:01:48) (Al-A) For, John was more the Essene than Jesus. For Jesus held rather to the spirit of the law, and John to the letter of same. Cayce 2067-11
(10:01:50) (Bill) it was the purity of the Essenes that brought Jesus into the phyical at that time
(10:02:14) (Al-A) Yes Bill
(10:02:58) (Host-Roz) yes in the study we had on the birth of Jesus
(10:03:44) (Host-Roz) it is now open chat
(10:03:46) (WalksInSpirit) I dunno, Richard... that "Dissappearance Of The Universe" ... I get a huge resistance in my spirit to that. A "repelling." It may be right for you, but personally, I get the "RUN, DON'T WALK" from it feeling.
(10:04:04) (Host-Roz) exackle Wis
(10:04:53) (Richard) Admittedly I do too WIS... but there are some very interesting points that coordinate with the Cayce Material as well as the Bible.
(10:05:01) (Cris) I think you have to go with what reasonates for you
(10:05:26) (Cris) The truth may be different for different people
(10:05:28) (Host-Roz) it is an account of some channeled material
(10:05:49) (Richard) One main point was the Jesus didn't come to be worshiped or to build a religion but to get us to follow him out of this world.
(10:06:09) (Bill) listen to the voice within most spiritual writings have some treasures in them to sauver
(10:06:53) (Richard) Ego is the problem. As we blaim we are blaimed.
(10:07:08) (ernie) amen
(10:07:13) (Al-A) Self is the o0nly problem according to Cayce.
(10:07:30) (ernie) greed
(10:07:34) (merri) what is ego if not self
(10:07:50) (Richard) I have something to share from the concepts of Budda which Jesus studied himself.
(10:07:54) (Al-A) Exactly.
(10:08:02) (ernie) share
(10:08:46) (Richard) Bodhisattva is a point to be achieved befor becoming Budda...
(10:08:58) (Richard) The Four Great Vows.
(10:09:08) (WalksInSpirit) As soon as the word "channelled" comes up in connection to something, the little red flags go up, and it immediately turns me off. I don't like channelled stuff.
(10:09:26) (Richard) 1.I vow to liberate all beings without number.
(10:09:49) (Richard) 2. I vow to penetrate endless blind passions.
(10:09:55) (Host-Roz) gotcha Wis me too
(10:10:16) (Al-A) The Self The Brings Your Individuality into manifestation is the Same One That Leads To Life, the other leads to death while in the flesh.
(10:10:23) (Richard) 3. I vow to penetrate dharma gates beyond measure.
(10:10:34) (Cris) People forget that not everyone who passes on has the wisdom of the ages
(10:10:42) (Richard) 4. I vow to attain the way of the Budda.
(10:11:01) (Host-Roz) they only leave a shell of themselves
(10:11:29) (Cris) If they channel it's only what they currently know it may not even be close to "the big picture"
(10:11:38) (Al-A) It is a given the soul lives on.
(10:11:39) (Richard) Arten and Pursha were Ascended Masters that appeared in the flesh..
(10:11:40) (merri) what's the difference between channeling and a medium WIS
(10:11:49) (Al-A) Rotting flesh is not the way.
(10:11:56) (Wanda) but you did like Ruth Montgomery WIS.
(10:12:07) (Al-A) Jesus died so as we should not have to.
(10:12:19) (Wanda) and that was a form of channeling
(10:12:23) (Richard) Jesus didn't die.
(10:12:35) (Al-A) He died on the cross.
(10:12:40) (merri) Cayce was also a form of channeling
(10:12:45) (WalksInSpirit) A medium is like an interpreter
(10:12:51) (Al-A) His flesh died and was Raised.
(10:13:10) (Richard) Good point merri... We see in Cayce how such can be mastered.
(10:13:11) (Al-A) He died so as we should not have to.
(10:13:27) (merri) he gave information from a Source
(10:13:40) (Al-A) He died so the Law of Grace may become a reality to all who hold on to His Commandments.
(10:13:45) (WalksInSpirit) A medium sees and hears spirits. A spirit will tell a medium a message to give to a loved one here in this world. Then, the medium relays the message. The medium never gives up control of their body to the spirit.
(10:14:01) (Blu) For the most part Cayce channeled his Higher Self, not other entities
(10:14:10) (Al-A) Yes Blu
(10:14:24) (WalksInSpirit) A channeller steps aside and allows a spirit to take over their body.
(10:14:29) (Al-A) Or Those of Heaven.
(10:14:56) (Blu) The master spoke through him a few times
(10:15:10) (Al-A) Often many of the Great White Brotherhood spoke through him depending on the person and the subject.
(10:15:18) (WalksInSpirit) Huge difference between mediumship and channelling.
(10:15:28) (Al-A) A host of names were given.
(10:15:50) (Al-A) But is was not of the borderlands coming through.
(10:16:02) (merri) But Blu you can say that about any medium or one who channels
(10:16:04) (Richard) And then there are the Ascended masters that we have evidence of who appear to be normal people.
(10:16:19) (merri) it is their Higher self speaking
(10:16:19) (Al-A) He Was Raised To The Heights of Heaven while under hypnosis.
(10:16:47) (Blu) as with Heialiel (sp?) he chose not to listen to them at times, or accept it's offer
(10:17:06) (Cris) You have to carefully listen to what is being said. With some people who channel it's all about the money to be made.
(10:17:25) (ernie) he was reading a cd in a way the way he explains it
(10:17:32) (Al-A) Those who give it away are thought not as valid at times.
(10:17:32) (Cris) I feel no spirituality with some
(10:17:32) (Bill) i believe those who came through Cayce we Angels of a higher realm not spirits
(10:17:38) (Richard) Brings testing the Spirits to mind.
(10:17:46) (Blu) Yes you could Merri, this is a choice we make, who we chose to listen too. I chose to listen to MOST , not all, that cayce says, because it resonates with my own Higher self
(10:17:49) (WalksInSpirit) With Ruth Montgomery... I was intrigued in her concept of Walk-Ins. Not so much the complete body of what she did.
(10:18:06) (Richard) Me too WIS.
(10:18:20) (Al-A) That too Bill.
(10:18:22) (WalksInSpirit) Because I had never heard that concept before, and was... curious.
(10:18:51) (Al-A) I'm sure however4 the willing vehicle best Served Gods purpose was he Used.
(10:18:52) (Richard) I went looking for Ruths last book in the closet and found my copy of the Disappearance of the Univers.
(10:19:20) (Blu) for example, cayce gave some very racist readings, I choose to ignore them
(10:19:23) (Cris) I think Cayce's guides were higher or I wouldn't be here but that isn't true for everyone
(10:19:42) (Al-A) Maybe they weren't racist at all.
(10:20:10) (Blu) oh but they were. However, it is said he was "influenced"
(10:20:16) (Al-A) I'm familiar with them.
(10:20:18) (Wanda) Have not read those Blu
(10:20:29) (Al-A) Maybe it had tio do with the individual present.
(10:20:40) (Blu) negatives around him could influence a reading, which is why in the later years he was more protected by those around him
(10:20:48) (Al-A) And the way best seen to get througthh to that individual.
(10:21:18) (Cris) I think some of his early scribes changed some of the wording of the readings
(10:21:18) (Al-A) It is not the words, but the consciouisness behind them that give their true power or meaning. Cayce
(10:21:41) (Cris) More to reflect the view of the time or make it fit
(10:22:14) (Cris) They didn't realize the readings would still be read today
(10:22:25) (merri) I've had that feeling also Cris
(10:22:40) (ernie) makes sence
(10:22:45) (merri) his very early readings sound different from the later readings
(10:23:16) (Cris) He didn't have a reliable secretary yet either
(10:23:24) (merri) and I don't see a big difference between channeling and mediumship only the way it's presented
(10:23:35) (Al-A) In truth most of the really under developed souls come in as black for a time.
(10:23:43) (Al-A) Which was just a truth.
(10:24:02) (Al-A) Look at what they hasve been through and are still going through.
(10:24:07) (Richard) There is a natural difference that occured with the progression... With advent of the Sudy Group the questions became more spicific.
(10:24:16) (Al-A) Taking into account nothing is by chance.
(10:25:04) (Cris) I have a close friend who is a medium and she tells me those readings reflect the level of those who come through her. If they weren't bright on earth they might not be in death because of their soul level
(10:25:25) (Al-A) Yes that is true Cris each is given as they merit.
(10:26:00) (Cris) She says those that aren't as advanced tire her out much faster
(10:26:24) (merri) probably takes more energy
(10:26:49) (Bill) dieing doesn't make you any smarter
(10:27:14) (Cris) I agree with that Bill
(10:27:16) (WalksInSpirit) Merri, Mediumship would be me giving you directions to downtown. Channelling would be you sliding over into the passenger's seat and allowing me to drive you there.
(10:27:17) (Host-Roz) got that right Bill
(10:27:21) (Al-A) Yes
(10:27:25) (Wanda) shucks. I was hoping
(10:28:19) (Al-A) Application, love, prayer, meditation will get you places.
(10:28:24) (Richard) Befor I forget Roz thanks for the article concerning the differeancs with Muslims... passed it on to a friend who really enjoyed it too. Very informative.
(10:28:27) (merri) it is info coming from whatever source whether it's channeled or a given thru a medium
(10:28:57) (Bill) but evidently we still have the opportunity to advance or regress on the next plain
(10:29:04) (Al-A) Yes
(10:29:18) (Host-Roz) yw Richard
(10:29:35) (WalksInSpirit) Well, I have found that you're more likely to get ahold of a lower-level negative entity through channelling than with mediumship.
(10:29:48) (Al-A) And if you need a major overhaul welcome to Saturn after death.
(10:29:53) (WalksInSpirit) Because with mediumship, you are still in control.
(10:30:07) (Wanda) ty too Roz. Helped make the situation clearer
(10:30:17) (merri) how so WIS
(10:30:28) (WalksInSpirit) With channelling, you're not. You give up control and allow another spirit to take over. Those lower-level ones enjoy doin that.
(10:30:35) (merri) those around Cayce were the control
(10:30:57) (WalksInSpirit) with mediumship, you get to say what types of spirits you want in contact with you.
(10:31:26) (Al-A) Those who are so unselfish as to allow His Spirit to take their place come to Know Him.
(10:31:28) (merri) I don't believe that is true in all cases WIS
(10:31:48) (Al-A) Cayce had no control, all was given up freely to Him.
(10:32:15) (Al-A) Self is laid aside in hypnosis to allow the subconscious to come throughhj./
(10:32:26) (WalksInSpirit) Oh, I do. From personal experience. When I'd do readings, I'd say a Prayer Of Protection and ask that only White Light Spirits come into contact with me.
(10:32:33) (Richard) Good point Al-A.
(10:33:08) (WalksInSpirit) I heard John Edward say that he does the same thing, and isn't contacted by negative lower-level entities.
(10:33:30) (merri) and you can do the same with channeling
(10:33:45) (Bill) TY Roz L&L folks
(10:33:46) (Al-A) John Edwards doesn't seem compleately legit to me.
(10:34:22) (WalksInSpirit) With channelling, you give over your control. You hang the "Out To Lunch" sign up and allow another entity to take over your body for a time.
(10:34:33) (WalksInSpirit) That is what people don't understand.
(10:34:59) (merri) that entity doesn't have to be of a lower source either
(10:35:26) (WalksInSpirit) What if a stronger lower-level entity comes along and takes over?
(10:35:28) (merri) affirmations are said there also
(10:35:33) (WalksInSpirit) That has happened before.
(10:36:01) (merri) so has bad info coming from a medium
(10:36:32) (WalksInSpirit) They look for any little crack they can use to do that.
(10:37:19) (WalksInSpirit) Of course! Any time you add the human element (i.e. the medium interpreting the information) there is going to be errors.
(10:37:20) (merri) I think as Blu said, it's all in what you choose to believe
(10:38:42) (Richard) Times up for me too this evening. See yall next week and have a good one. Sweet dreams.
(10:38:45) (WalksInSpirit) I am a medium. I see and hear spirits. Have all my life. That don't bother me. But, there is no way I'd ever allow another entity to take over my body!
(10:39:33) (merri) have you ever read any of the Seth material WIS
(10:39:45) (Blu) It was nice to see a nice chat and no flaring
(10:40:08) (merri) LOL goes with ignoring
(10:40:15) (Blu) LOL
(10:41:04) (Wanda) We are growing in patience
(10:41:09) (WalksInSpirit) Naw
(10:41:47) (merri) the Seth material was channeled and lots of precaution was taken
(10:43:13) (Host-Roz) Light and Love all
