Post by WalksInSpirit on Nov 5, 2006 22:27:18 GMT -5
Secret Of The Book Of Enoch: 11-05-06
(09:24:32) (Host-Roz) Lets center; deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God…feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(09:24:40) (Host-Roz) Amen
(09:24:47) (Lory) Amen
(09:24:48) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:24:54) (Leon) amen
(09:24:57) (Cris) Amen
(09:25:23) (ron) amen
(09:25:53) (Host-Roz) Chapter 922And Enoch said, Concerning the children of righteousness, concerning the elect of the world, and concerning the plant of righteousness and integrity.
(09:26:03) (Host-Roz) only 92
(09:26:49) (Host-Roz) 3Concerning these things will I speak, and these things will I explain to you, my children: I who am Enoch. In consequence of that which has been shown to me, from my heavenly vision and from the voice of the holy angels (129) have I acquired knowledge; and from the tablet of heaven have I acquired understanding.
(09:27:37) (Host-Roz) (129) Holy angels. A Qumran text reads, "Watchers and Holy Ones," clearly denoting heavenly Watchers who did not fall along with the wicked ones (Milik, p. 264). See also Dan. 4:13, "a watcher and a holy one came down from heaven"; 4:17, "watchers, and…holy ones."
(09:28:37) (Host-Roz) 4Enoch then began to speak from a book, and said, I have been born the seventh in the first week, while judgment and righteousness wait with patience.
(09:29:29) (Host-Roz) any thots about this? seventh in the first week?
(09:29:55) (ron) prophetic 7
(09:30:09) (merri) thoughts about what Roz?
(09:31:11) (Host-Roz) is he saying he was the seventh to incarnate since Amelius?
(09:31:39) (Leon) Enoch was not 'born'
(09:31:55) (Host-Roz) you are right Leon nor did he die
(09:32:03) (ron) 7th from Adam?
(09:32:15) (Host-Roz) yes ron
(09:32:26) (Host-Roz) 5But after me, in the second week, great wickedness shall arise, and fraud shall spring forth.6In that week the end of the first shall take place, in which mankind shall be safe. (130)
(09:34:13) (Leon) sentence 5- difficult to understand
(09:34:39) (Host-Roz) yes Leon
(09:34:51) (Host-Roz) 7But when the first is completed, iniquity shall grow up; and during the second week he shall execute the decree (131) upon sinners.
(09:36:03) (Host-Roz) could have been t wickedness that happened before the advent of Noah
(09:36:11) (Host-Roz) (131) The Deluge after the first (in the middle of the second) Millennium (2500 B.C.).
(09:37:09) (Host-Roz) 8Afterwards, in the third week, during its completion, a man (132) of the plant of righteous judgment shall be selected; and after him the Plant (133) of righteousness shall come for ever.
(09:38:05) (Host-Roz) (132) King David at the end of the third Millennium (1000 B.C.).
(09:38:31) (Leon) We've got wickedness,sinners, iniquity-- as George Castanz would say "we got it all"
(09:38:43) (Host-Roz) (133) The Messiah at the end of the fourth Millennium (4 B.C. to 30 A.D.).
(09:39:42) (Host-Roz) 9Subsequently, in the fourth week, during its completion, the visions of the holy and the righteous shall be seen, the order of generation after generation shall take place, and a habitation shall be made for them. Then in the fifth week, during its completion, the house of glory and of dominion (134) shall be erected for ever.
(09:40:49) (Host-Roz) weeks a passage of time as a Milennium
(09:41:38) (Host-Roz) (134) The establishment (30 A.D.) and building of the Church through the fifth (and sixth) Millennium.
(09:42:42) (Host-Roz) 10After that, in the sixth week, all those who are in it shall be darkened, the hearts of all of them shall be forgetful of wisdom, and in it shall a Man (135) arise and come forth.
(09:43:08) (Lory) What are these millenniums to which you are referring, Roz?
(09:43:41) (Host-Roz) in the hebrew history Lory
(09:44:04) (Lory) then to what are they referring?
(09:44:19) (Host-Roz) This is Enoch's vision of their history
(09:44:59) (Host-Roz) written many millenniums before it happened
(09:45:07) (Lory) Past or future?
(09:45:22) (Host-Roz) past so far
(09:46:38) (Host-Roz) it uses language that is confusing Lory
(09:46:54) (Host-Roz) 12Afterwards, in the seventh week, a perverse generation shall arise; abundant shall be its deeds, and all its deeds perverse. During its completion, the righteous shall be selected from the everlasting plant of righteousness; and to them shall be given the sevenfold doctrine of his whole creation.
(09:47:09) (Lory) hmmmm thot for a minute I was the only dummie..... :-)
(09:47:55) (Host-Roz) he utilizes a passage of time as a week that is in reallity millenniums
(09:48:22) (Host-Roz) so far he has been totally correct
(09:48:56) (Lory) Does this appear in the book of Enoch in the Bible?
(09:49:33) (Host-Roz) this manuscript was found in what is now Ethopia
(09:49:41) (Host-Roz) 13Afterwards there shall be another week, the eighth (137) of righteousness, to which shall be given a sword to execute judgment and justice upon all oppressors.
(09:51:33) (Host-Roz) Enoch inhabited the earth in the time of the Atlanteans
(09:51:44) (Host-Roz) (137) The beginning of the eighth Millennium
(09:52:06) (Richard) A Millennium being what?
(09:52:34) (WalksInSpirit) One thousand years
(09:52:42) (Host-Roz) a passage of time richard
(09:52:52) (Host-Roz) 14Sinners shall be delivered up into the hands of the righteous, who during its completion shall acquire habitations by their righteousness; and the house of the great King shall be established for celebrations for ever. After this, in the ninth week, shall the judgment of righteousness be revealed to the whole world.
(09:53:27) (Host-Roz) this is after the Messiah has appeared on the earth
(09:54:10) (Host-Roz) 15Every work of the ungodly shall disappear from the whole earth; the world shall be marked for destruction; and all men shall be on the watch for the path of integrity.
(09:55:08) (Host-Roz) 16And after this, on the seventh day of the tenth week, there shall be an everlasting judgment, which shall be executed upon the Watchers; and a spacious eternal heaven shall spring forth in the midst of the angels.
(09:55:38) (Host-Roz) he isnt exackly speficic is he?
(09:56:07) (Richard) You could read a lot into that.
(09:57:04) (Host-Roz) yes we can Richard
(09:57:10) (Host-Roz) 17The former heaven shall depart and pass away; a new heaven shall appear; and all the celestial powers shall shine with sevenfold splendour for ever. Afterwards likewise shall there be many weeks, which shall externally exist in goodness and in righteousness,18Neither shall sin be named there for ever and for ever.
(09:57:36) (Host-Roz) this is a promise
(09:58:08) (Richard) Total forgiveness.
(09:58:35) (Host-Roz) everlasting peace?
(09:58:40) (Host-Roz) 20Who is there capable of thinking his thoughts? Who capable of contemplating all the workmanship of heaven? Who of comprehending the deeds of heaven?
(09:59:12) (Richard) Not me but I'm working on it.... Watching so to speak.
(09:59:51) (Host-Roz) 21He may behold its animation, but not its spirit. He may be capable of conversing respecting it, but not of ascending to it. He may see all the boundaries of these things, and meditate upon them; but he can make nothing like them.
(09:59:56) (merri) this doesn't sound like it will be happening in the earth realm
(10:00:22) (Host-Roz) why do you think that Merri
(10:00:28) (Leon) agreed
(10:00:59) (merri) verse 17
(10:01:10) (Richard) Still the answer to Who.
(10:01:13) (Anne) have you ever contemplateid nothing
(10:01:22) (Host-Roz) 22Who of all men is able to understand the breadth and length of the earth?
(10:02:00) (Richard) Seems to be a challenging question. A seeker might find the answer to that.
(10:02:08) (Host-Roz) only the GOLDEN SILENCE Anne
(10:02:17) (Richard) Or perhaps all seekers.
(10:02:32) (Cris) Our choices determine our future we know right from wrong
(10:02:45) (Richard) You mean zero Anne?
(10:02:58) (Richard) As in algebra.
(10:02:59) (ron) no thought, or meditation
(10:03:02) (Anne) scares the bee gees out of me
(10:03:18) (Host-Roz) 23By whom have been seen the dimensions of all these things? Is it every man who is capable of comprehending the extent of heaven; what its elevation is, and by what it is supported?24How many are the numbers of the stars; and where all the luminaries remain at rest?
(10:03:52) (Richard) Space the finale fronteer.
(10:04:00) (Host-Roz) that will give us somethng to ponder on this week
(10:04:06) (Leon) the answere is always 'yes'
(10:04:40) (Host-Roz) that completes the study for tonite we will begin w/ chapter 93 next wk
(10:04:51) (Lory) Did Cayce ever comment on this text at all, Roz? And when?
(10:05:00) (Richard) It gives rise to the question of just why was man (male & female) was created.
(10:05:00) (Cris) Thanks for the study Roz
(10:05:17) (ron) thank you roz
(10:05:29) (Host-Roz) Cayces commentary was a very general overview
(10:05:30) (Cris) I think to work as a unit Richard
(10:05:30) (merri) interesting study tonight Roz
(10:05:37) (WalksInSpirit) Thanks Roz! Great study tonight!
(10:06:35) (Richard) There is an answer given in Isaiah... God said "I have created them (man) to seed the earth and to plant the heavans.
(10:07:05) (Anne) Roz thanks , nothingness is hard to think about
(10:07:07) (Leon) thanks Roz, challenging material
(10:07:42) (Host-Roz) do you find the Golden Silence in meditation Anne?
(10:08:00) (ron) difficult, anne, if you are thinking about it :)
(10:08:21) (Anne) i do not meditate
(10:16:09) (Cris) We are blessed to have this chat
(10:16:19) (Roz) Thanks all for coming
(10:16:24) (Richard) Amen Cris.
(10:16:27) (merri) Roz if Enoch was in Atlantean time when was the text discovered in Ethiopia?
(10:16:27) (Roz) yes we are Criss
(10:17:07) (Roz) I'll have to look that up again I think in the 1700;s
(10:17:30) (Cris) I wonder what is yet to be discovered
(10:17:43) (Richard) How does that version compare with the other two or so
(10:17:52) (merri) that's a pretty long stretch!
(10:17:53) (Roz) The is currentlay a church in Ethopia called the church of Enoch
(10:18:22) (Roz) seemingly very similiar Richard
(10:18:55) (Richard) I know that the early church taught out of the book of Enoch.
(10:21:13) (Roz) Love and Light All
(10:21:23) (merri) Blessings Roz
(10:21:23) (WalksInSpirit) Night Blessings Roz!
(10:21:56) (Anne) night teacher
(10:21:58) (Roz) Love ya all
(10:22:11) (Bill) L&L Roz
(10:22:19) (Cris) Blessings Roz
(09:24:40) (Host-Roz) Amen
(09:24:47) (Lory) Amen
(09:24:48) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:24:54) (Leon) amen
(09:24:57) (Cris) Amen
(09:25:23) (ron) amen
(09:25:53) (Host-Roz) Chapter 922And Enoch said, Concerning the children of righteousness, concerning the elect of the world, and concerning the plant of righteousness and integrity.
(09:26:03) (Host-Roz) only 92
(09:26:49) (Host-Roz) 3Concerning these things will I speak, and these things will I explain to you, my children: I who am Enoch. In consequence of that which has been shown to me, from my heavenly vision and from the voice of the holy angels (129) have I acquired knowledge; and from the tablet of heaven have I acquired understanding.
(09:27:37) (Host-Roz) (129) Holy angels. A Qumran text reads, "Watchers and Holy Ones," clearly denoting heavenly Watchers who did not fall along with the wicked ones (Milik, p. 264). See also Dan. 4:13, "a watcher and a holy one came down from heaven"; 4:17, "watchers, and…holy ones."
(09:28:37) (Host-Roz) 4Enoch then began to speak from a book, and said, I have been born the seventh in the first week, while judgment and righteousness wait with patience.
(09:29:29) (Host-Roz) any thots about this? seventh in the first week?
(09:29:55) (ron) prophetic 7
(09:30:09) (merri) thoughts about what Roz?
(09:31:11) (Host-Roz) is he saying he was the seventh to incarnate since Amelius?
(09:31:39) (Leon) Enoch was not 'born'
(09:31:55) (Host-Roz) you are right Leon nor did he die
(09:32:03) (ron) 7th from Adam?
(09:32:15) (Host-Roz) yes ron
(09:32:26) (Host-Roz) 5But after me, in the second week, great wickedness shall arise, and fraud shall spring forth.6In that week the end of the first shall take place, in which mankind shall be safe. (130)
(09:34:13) (Leon) sentence 5- difficult to understand
(09:34:39) (Host-Roz) yes Leon
(09:34:51) (Host-Roz) 7But when the first is completed, iniquity shall grow up; and during the second week he shall execute the decree (131) upon sinners.
(09:36:03) (Host-Roz) could have been t wickedness that happened before the advent of Noah
(09:36:11) (Host-Roz) (131) The Deluge after the first (in the middle of the second) Millennium (2500 B.C.).
(09:37:09) (Host-Roz) 8Afterwards, in the third week, during its completion, a man (132) of the plant of righteous judgment shall be selected; and after him the Plant (133) of righteousness shall come for ever.
(09:38:05) (Host-Roz) (132) King David at the end of the third Millennium (1000 B.C.).
(09:38:31) (Leon) We've got wickedness,sinners, iniquity-- as George Castanz would say "we got it all"
(09:38:43) (Host-Roz) (133) The Messiah at the end of the fourth Millennium (4 B.C. to 30 A.D.).
(09:39:42) (Host-Roz) 9Subsequently, in the fourth week, during its completion, the visions of the holy and the righteous shall be seen, the order of generation after generation shall take place, and a habitation shall be made for them. Then in the fifth week, during its completion, the house of glory and of dominion (134) shall be erected for ever.
(09:40:49) (Host-Roz) weeks a passage of time as a Milennium
(09:41:38) (Host-Roz) (134) The establishment (30 A.D.) and building of the Church through the fifth (and sixth) Millennium.
(09:42:42) (Host-Roz) 10After that, in the sixth week, all those who are in it shall be darkened, the hearts of all of them shall be forgetful of wisdom, and in it shall a Man (135) arise and come forth.
(09:43:08) (Lory) What are these millenniums to which you are referring, Roz?
(09:43:41) (Host-Roz) in the hebrew history Lory
(09:44:04) (Lory) then to what are they referring?
(09:44:19) (Host-Roz) This is Enoch's vision of their history
(09:44:59) (Host-Roz) written many millenniums before it happened
(09:45:07) (Lory) Past or future?
(09:45:22) (Host-Roz) past so far
(09:46:38) (Host-Roz) it uses language that is confusing Lory
(09:46:54) (Host-Roz) 12Afterwards, in the seventh week, a perverse generation shall arise; abundant shall be its deeds, and all its deeds perverse. During its completion, the righteous shall be selected from the everlasting plant of righteousness; and to them shall be given the sevenfold doctrine of his whole creation.
(09:47:09) (Lory) hmmmm thot for a minute I was the only dummie..... :-)
(09:47:55) (Host-Roz) he utilizes a passage of time as a week that is in reallity millenniums
(09:48:22) (Host-Roz) so far he has been totally correct
(09:48:56) (Lory) Does this appear in the book of Enoch in the Bible?
(09:49:33) (Host-Roz) this manuscript was found in what is now Ethopia
(09:49:41) (Host-Roz) 13Afterwards there shall be another week, the eighth (137) of righteousness, to which shall be given a sword to execute judgment and justice upon all oppressors.
(09:51:33) (Host-Roz) Enoch inhabited the earth in the time of the Atlanteans
(09:51:44) (Host-Roz) (137) The beginning of the eighth Millennium
(09:52:06) (Richard) A Millennium being what?
(09:52:34) (WalksInSpirit) One thousand years
(09:52:42) (Host-Roz) a passage of time richard
(09:52:52) (Host-Roz) 14Sinners shall be delivered up into the hands of the righteous, who during its completion shall acquire habitations by their righteousness; and the house of the great King shall be established for celebrations for ever. After this, in the ninth week, shall the judgment of righteousness be revealed to the whole world.
(09:53:27) (Host-Roz) this is after the Messiah has appeared on the earth
(09:54:10) (Host-Roz) 15Every work of the ungodly shall disappear from the whole earth; the world shall be marked for destruction; and all men shall be on the watch for the path of integrity.
(09:55:08) (Host-Roz) 16And after this, on the seventh day of the tenth week, there shall be an everlasting judgment, which shall be executed upon the Watchers; and a spacious eternal heaven shall spring forth in the midst of the angels.
(09:55:38) (Host-Roz) he isnt exackly speficic is he?
(09:56:07) (Richard) You could read a lot into that.
(09:57:04) (Host-Roz) yes we can Richard
(09:57:10) (Host-Roz) 17The former heaven shall depart and pass away; a new heaven shall appear; and all the celestial powers shall shine with sevenfold splendour for ever. Afterwards likewise shall there be many weeks, which shall externally exist in goodness and in righteousness,18Neither shall sin be named there for ever and for ever.
(09:57:36) (Host-Roz) this is a promise
(09:58:08) (Richard) Total forgiveness.
(09:58:35) (Host-Roz) everlasting peace?
(09:58:40) (Host-Roz) 20Who is there capable of thinking his thoughts? Who capable of contemplating all the workmanship of heaven? Who of comprehending the deeds of heaven?
(09:59:12) (Richard) Not me but I'm working on it.... Watching so to speak.
(09:59:51) (Host-Roz) 21He may behold its animation, but not its spirit. He may be capable of conversing respecting it, but not of ascending to it. He may see all the boundaries of these things, and meditate upon them; but he can make nothing like them.
(09:59:56) (merri) this doesn't sound like it will be happening in the earth realm
(10:00:22) (Host-Roz) why do you think that Merri
(10:00:28) (Leon) agreed
(10:00:59) (merri) verse 17
(10:01:10) (Richard) Still the answer to Who.
(10:01:13) (Anne) have you ever contemplateid nothing
(10:01:22) (Host-Roz) 22Who of all men is able to understand the breadth and length of the earth?
(10:02:00) (Richard) Seems to be a challenging question. A seeker might find the answer to that.
(10:02:08) (Host-Roz) only the GOLDEN SILENCE Anne
(10:02:17) (Richard) Or perhaps all seekers.
(10:02:32) (Cris) Our choices determine our future we know right from wrong
(10:02:45) (Richard) You mean zero Anne?
(10:02:58) (Richard) As in algebra.
(10:02:59) (ron) no thought, or meditation
(10:03:02) (Anne) scares the bee gees out of me
(10:03:18) (Host-Roz) 23By whom have been seen the dimensions of all these things? Is it every man who is capable of comprehending the extent of heaven; what its elevation is, and by what it is supported?24How many are the numbers of the stars; and where all the luminaries remain at rest?
(10:03:52) (Richard) Space the finale fronteer.
(10:04:00) (Host-Roz) that will give us somethng to ponder on this week
(10:04:06) (Leon) the answere is always 'yes'
(10:04:40) (Host-Roz) that completes the study for tonite we will begin w/ chapter 93 next wk
(10:04:51) (Lory) Did Cayce ever comment on this text at all, Roz? And when?
(10:05:00) (Richard) It gives rise to the question of just why was man (male & female) was created.
(10:05:00) (Cris) Thanks for the study Roz
(10:05:17) (ron) thank you roz
(10:05:29) (Host-Roz) Cayces commentary was a very general overview
(10:05:30) (Cris) I think to work as a unit Richard
(10:05:30) (merri) interesting study tonight Roz
(10:05:37) (WalksInSpirit) Thanks Roz! Great study tonight!
(10:06:35) (Richard) There is an answer given in Isaiah... God said "I have created them (man) to seed the earth and to plant the heavans.
(10:07:05) (Anne) Roz thanks , nothingness is hard to think about
(10:07:07) (Leon) thanks Roz, challenging material
(10:07:42) (Host-Roz) do you find the Golden Silence in meditation Anne?
(10:08:00) (ron) difficult, anne, if you are thinking about it :)
(10:08:21) (Anne) i do not meditate
(10:16:09) (Cris) We are blessed to have this chat
(10:16:19) (Roz) Thanks all for coming
(10:16:24) (Richard) Amen Cris.
(10:16:27) (merri) Roz if Enoch was in Atlantean time when was the text discovered in Ethiopia?
(10:16:27) (Roz) yes we are Criss
(10:17:07) (Roz) I'll have to look that up again I think in the 1700;s
(10:17:30) (Cris) I wonder what is yet to be discovered
(10:17:43) (Richard) How does that version compare with the other two or so
(10:17:52) (merri) that's a pretty long stretch!
(10:17:53) (Roz) The is currentlay a church in Ethopia called the church of Enoch
(10:18:22) (Roz) seemingly very similiar Richard
(10:18:55) (Richard) I know that the early church taught out of the book of Enoch.
(10:21:13) (Roz) Love and Light All
(10:21:23) (merri) Blessings Roz
(10:21:23) (WalksInSpirit) Night Blessings Roz!
(10:21:56) (Anne) night teacher
(10:21:58) (Roz) Love ya all
(10:22:11) (Bill) L&L Roz
(10:22:19) (Cris) Blessings Roz
