Post by WalksInSpirit on Mar 12, 2006 22:57:08 GMT -5
Secret Of The Golden Flower: 03-12-06
(09:27:48) (Host-Roz) lets center
(09:28:22) (Host-Roz) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God…feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(09:28:27) (Host-Roz) Amen
(09:28:31) (Cris) Amen
(09:28:35) (Qrious) ameni
(09:28:38) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:28:42) (merri) Amen
(09:28:47) (Lory) Amen
(09:28:47) (anony) let it be so
(09:29:15) (Host-Roz) . CIRCULATION OF THE LIGHT AND MAKING THE BREATHING RHYTHMICAL
(09:29:17) (anone) amen
(09:29:28) (Host-Roz) is our study for tonite
(09:30:10) (Host-Roz) Should a man have no images in his mind? One cannot be without images. Should one not breathe? One cannot do without breathing. The best way is to make a cure out of the illness. Since heart and breath are mutually dependent, the circulation of the Light must be united with the rhythm of breathing. For this, Light of the ear is above all necessary.
(09:31:41) (Host-Roz) There is a Light of the eye and a Light of the ear. The Light of the eye is the united Light of the sun and moon outside. The Light of the ear is the united seed of sun and moon within. The seed is also the Light in crystallized form. Both have the same origin and are different only in name. Therefore, understanding (ear) and clarity (eye) are one and the same effective Light.
(09:32:26) (Host-Roz) The decision must be carried out with a whole heart, and, the result no sought for; the result will come of itself. In the first period of release there are chiefly two mistakes: laziness and distraction. But that can be remedied; the heart must not enter into the breathing too completely. Breathing comes from the heart. What comes out of the heart is breath. When the heart stirs, there develops breath-power.
(09:33:09) (Host-Roz) Breath-power is originally transformed activity of the heart.
(09:33:47) (Host-Roz) When our hearts go very fast they imperceptibly pass into fantasies which are always accompanied by the drawing of a breath, because this inner and outer breathing hangs together like tone and echo. Daily we draw innumerable breaths and have an equal number of fantasy-representations. And thus the clarity of the spirit is depleted just as wood dries out and ashes die.
(09:34:27) (ernie) good point
(09:34:40) (ernie) so the trick is channe'l
(09:35:04) (Qrious) do you mean.. daydreaming?
(09:35:58) (Host-Roz) yes daydreaming is not meditating
(09:36:03) (Host-Roz) While sitting, one must, therefore, always keep the heart quiet and the power concentrated. How can the heart be made quiet? By breathing. The heart alone must be conscious of the flowing in and out of the breath; it must not be heard with the ears. If it is not heard, then the breathing is light; if light, it is pure.
(09:40:34) (Host-Roz) If it can be heard, then the breathing power is heavy; if heavy, then it is troubled; if it is troubled, then laziness and absent-mindedness develop and one wants to sleep. That is self-evident.
(09:41:49) (Host-Roz) The two mistakes of laziness and distraction must be combated by quiet work that is carried on daily without interruption; then results will certainly be achieved. If one is not seated during meditation, one will often be distracted without noticing it. To become conscious of the inattention is the mechanism by which to do away with inattention.
(09:42:34) (Host-Roz) Laziness of which a man is conscious, and laziness o f which he is unconscious, are many miles apart. Unconscious laziness is real laziness; conscious laziness is not complete laziness, because there is still some clarity in it. Distraction comes from letting the spirit wander about; laziness comes from the spirit not yet being pure. Distraction is much easier to correct than laziness.
(09:43:26) (Leon) OM
(09:44:29) (Host-Roz) It is as in sickness if one feels pains and itches, one can help them with remedies, but laziness is like a disease that is attended by loss of feeling. Distraction can be overcome, confusion can be straightened out, but laziness and absent-minded are heavy and dark. Distraction and confusion at least have a place, but in laziness and absent-mindedness the anima alone is active.
(09:44:56) (Host-Roz) any one have any of these problesm with meditation? lol
(09:45:12) (anony) raises hands
(09:45:15) (Lory) Probably laziness, Roz.
(09:45:24) (ernie) anima ?
(09:45:31) (Host-Roz) you itch ??lol
(09:45:42) (ernie) is that from latin for lazy
(09:45:43) (ernie) lol
(09:45:44) (Host-Roz) intiutive receptive self ernie
(09:46:01) (ernie) ok sorry
(09:46:06) (anony) sleepiness absentmindedness inattention hmmmmmmmmmm
(09:46:25) (Host-Roz) In inattention the animus is still present, but in laziness pure darkness rules. If one becomes sleepy during meditation, that is an effect of laziness. Breathing alone serves to remove laziness. Although the breath that flows in and out through the nose is not the true breath, the flowing in and out of the true breath is connected with it.
(09:46:40) (ernie) can lazyness be treated
(09:46:41) (ernie) ?
(09:47:12) (Host-Roz) In sitting down, after dropping the lids, one establishes a plumb-line with the eyes and shifts the Light downward. But if the transposition downward is not successful, then the heart is directed toward listening to the breathing. One should not be able to hear with the ear the outgoing and inhaling of the breath. What one hears is that it has no tone.
(09:47:28) (Host-Roz) it tells you how to over come laziness
(09:48:14) (ernie) ok Roz i am listening'
(09:48:24) (Host-Roz) As soon as it has tone, the breathing is rough and superficial, and does not penetrate into what is fine. Then the heart must be made quite light and insignificant. The more it is released, the less important it becomes; the less important, the quieter. All at once it becomes so quiet that it stops.
(09:49:34) (Host-Roz) Then the true breathing is manifested and the form of the heart can be made conscious. When the heart is light, the breathing is light, for every movement of the heart brings about breathing power. If breathing is light, the heart is light, for every movement of the breath affects the heart.
(09:49:40) (ernie) stop the heart ? or super slow it down it is great having the power to stop and start it
(09:50:04) (Host-Roz) heart rate will slow naturally
(09:51:08) (Host-Roz) when you control the breath, the same autonomic nervous system controls the breath, heart rate and meditation
(09:52:26) (ernie) ok
(09:52:29) (Host-Roz) In order to steady the heart, one begins by cultivating the breathing power. The heart cannot be influenced directly. Therefore the breathing power is used as a handle, and this is what is called protecting the collected breathing power.
(09:52:45) (Host-Roz) everyone clear?
(09:52:54) (ernie) amen
(09:53:31) (Host-Roz) Children, do you not understand the nature of motion? Motion can be produced by outside means. It is only another name for mastery. One can make the heart move merely by running. Should one not be able to bring it to rest then by concentrated quietness? The great holy ones who knew how the heart and breathing power mutually influence one another, have thought out an easier procedure as a way of helping posterity.
(09:55:00) (Host-Roz) In the Book of the Elixir, it is said: The hen can hatch her eggs because her heart is always listening. That is an important magic spell. The reason the hen can hatch her eggs is because of the power to heat. But the power of the heat can only warm the shells; it cannot penetrate into the interior. Therefore with her heart she conducts this power inward. This she does with her hearing. In this way ash concentrates her whole heart.
(09:55:42) (Host-Roz) the energy moves not by the will but by the ideal held
(09:56:20) (Host-Roz) When the heart penetrates, the power penetrates, and the chick receives the power of the heart and begins to live. Therefore a hen, even when she has left her eggs, always has the attitude of listening with a bent ear. Thus the concentration of the spirit is not interrupted. Because the concentration of the spirit suffers no interruption, neither does the power of heat suffer interruption day or night, and the spirit awakes to life.
(09:57:06) (Host-Roz) The awakening of the spirit is accomplished because the heart has first died. When a man can let his heart die, then the primordial spirit wakes to life. To kill the heart does not mean to let it dry and wither away, but it means that it is undivided and gathered into one.
(09:58:07) (Host-Roz) Buddha said: When you fix your heart on one point, then nothing is impossible for you. The heart easily runs away, so it is necessary to gather it together by means of breathing power. Breathing power easily becomes coarse, therefore it has to be refined by the heart. When that is done, can it then happen that it is not fixed?
(09:58:57) (Host-Roz) How to use heart correctly during breathing must be understood. It is use without use. One need only let the Light fall quite gently on the hearing. This sentence contains a secret meaning. What does it mean to let the Light fall? It is the radiance of the Light of one's own eyes. The eye looks inward and not outward. To sense brightness without looking outward means to look inward; it has nothing to do with an actual looking within.
(09:59:26) (Host-Roz) understood?
(09:59:48) (Lory) Not really, Roz?
(10:00:12) (Host-Roz) got a question Lory
(10:00:18) (Host-Roz) What does hearing mean? It is hearing the Light of one's own ear. The ear listens only within and does not listen to what is outside. To sense brightness without listening to what is outside, is to listen to what is within; it has nothing to do with actually listening to what is within. In this sort of hearing, one only hears that there is no sound; in this kind of seeing, one only sees that no shape is there.
(10:00:59) (Host-Roz) going into the Golden Silence there is not hearing nor seeing
(10:01:48) (Host-Roz) The awakening of the spirit is accomplished because the heart has first died. When a man can let his heart die, then the primordial spirit wakes to life. To kill the heart does not mean to let it dry and wither away, but it means that it is undivided and gathered into one.
(10:02:06) (Host-Roz) questions?
(10:02:58) (Lory) Yes, Looking without and within as you describe is not quite clear.....such as looking outward means to look inward; it has nothing to do with an actual looking within......
(10:03:37) (ernie) your answering your own question
(10:03:46) (Host-Roz) oh yes Lory you are actually looking within
(10:04:08) (ernie) sit back relax and read try to understand what shes saing
(10:04:24) (Host-Roz) at your own Christness
(10:04:27) (Leon) Hello mind it's me again
(10:04:37) (Lory) Thank you ernie, I shall try.
(10:05:02) (Host-Roz) as pure Light
(10:05:02) (ernie) and countering your self for not wanting to look
(10:05:33) (ernie) i dont know im just flapping tring to help myself too
(10:06:09) (Host-Roz) To sense brightness without listening to what is outside, is to listen to what is within; it has nothing to do with actually listening to what is within. In this sort of hearing, one only hears that there is no sound; in this kind of seeing, one only sees that no shape is there.
(10:07:23) (Host-Roz) In this sort of hearing, one only hears that there is no sound; in this kind of seeing, one only sees that no shape is there.
(10:07:41) (Host-Roz) only the Golden Silence
(10:08:19) (Host-Roz) that concludes the study for tonite
(10:08:20) (Lynn) I believe this is the inner silence to whick Black Wolf referred and which I sought.
(10:08:38) (Host-Roz) undoubtablly
(10:09:00) (Host-Roz) any other questions?
(10:09:08) (Leon) The source of divine spirit
(10:09:46) (Leon) The elimination of duality
(10:10:17) (Host-Roz) no intergration of the duality Leon
(10:10:45) (Leon) cool
(10:13:04) (Leon) Substance as well as Force, Love as well as Will. Femininine as well as masculine God is two in one
(10:16:33) (lilith) good lesson
(10:16:48) (ernie) it was
(10:20:41) (shelly) ty Roz,
(10:20:50) (Cris) Blessings all Thanks for the lesson Roz
(10:24:27) (Bill) L&L TY Roz
(10:25:06) (Lynn) Roz, what I caught of your lesson was meaningful to me. Thank you.
(10:25:09) (Host-Roz) was this helpful in your mediation life?
(10:25:28) (Lynn) yes
(10:25:46) (Leon) It's a different focus for me Roz
(10:26:00) (Host-Roz) helpful?
(10:26:39) (Leon) It enlightens me Roz --
(10:32:29) (WalksInSpirit) Great lesson tonight, Roz! Thank you!
(10:32:41) (Host-Roz) thanks WiS
(10:42:16) (Host-Roz) Love and Light All
(09:28:22) (Host-Roz) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God…feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(09:28:27) (Host-Roz) Amen
(09:28:31) (Cris) Amen
(09:28:35) (Qrious) ameni
(09:28:38) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:28:42) (merri) Amen
(09:28:47) (Lory) Amen
(09:28:47) (anony) let it be so
(09:29:15) (Host-Roz) . CIRCULATION OF THE LIGHT AND MAKING THE BREATHING RHYTHMICAL
(09:29:17) (anone) amen
(09:29:28) (Host-Roz) is our study for tonite
(09:30:10) (Host-Roz) Should a man have no images in his mind? One cannot be without images. Should one not breathe? One cannot do without breathing. The best way is to make a cure out of the illness. Since heart and breath are mutually dependent, the circulation of the Light must be united with the rhythm of breathing. For this, Light of the ear is above all necessary.
(09:31:41) (Host-Roz) There is a Light of the eye and a Light of the ear. The Light of the eye is the united Light of the sun and moon outside. The Light of the ear is the united seed of sun and moon within. The seed is also the Light in crystallized form. Both have the same origin and are different only in name. Therefore, understanding (ear) and clarity (eye) are one and the same effective Light.
(09:32:26) (Host-Roz) The decision must be carried out with a whole heart, and, the result no sought for; the result will come of itself. In the first period of release there are chiefly two mistakes: laziness and distraction. But that can be remedied; the heart must not enter into the breathing too completely. Breathing comes from the heart. What comes out of the heart is breath. When the heart stirs, there develops breath-power.
(09:33:09) (Host-Roz) Breath-power is originally transformed activity of the heart.
(09:33:47) (Host-Roz) When our hearts go very fast they imperceptibly pass into fantasies which are always accompanied by the drawing of a breath, because this inner and outer breathing hangs together like tone and echo. Daily we draw innumerable breaths and have an equal number of fantasy-representations. And thus the clarity of the spirit is depleted just as wood dries out and ashes die.
(09:34:27) (ernie) good point
(09:34:40) (ernie) so the trick is channe'l
(09:35:04) (Qrious) do you mean.. daydreaming?
(09:35:58) (Host-Roz) yes daydreaming is not meditating
(09:36:03) (Host-Roz) While sitting, one must, therefore, always keep the heart quiet and the power concentrated. How can the heart be made quiet? By breathing. The heart alone must be conscious of the flowing in and out of the breath; it must not be heard with the ears. If it is not heard, then the breathing is light; if light, it is pure.
(09:40:34) (Host-Roz) If it can be heard, then the breathing power is heavy; if heavy, then it is troubled; if it is troubled, then laziness and absent-mindedness develop and one wants to sleep. That is self-evident.
(09:41:49) (Host-Roz) The two mistakes of laziness and distraction must be combated by quiet work that is carried on daily without interruption; then results will certainly be achieved. If one is not seated during meditation, one will often be distracted without noticing it. To become conscious of the inattention is the mechanism by which to do away with inattention.
(09:42:34) (Host-Roz) Laziness of which a man is conscious, and laziness o f which he is unconscious, are many miles apart. Unconscious laziness is real laziness; conscious laziness is not complete laziness, because there is still some clarity in it. Distraction comes from letting the spirit wander about; laziness comes from the spirit not yet being pure. Distraction is much easier to correct than laziness.
(09:43:26) (Leon) OM
(09:44:29) (Host-Roz) It is as in sickness if one feels pains and itches, one can help them with remedies, but laziness is like a disease that is attended by loss of feeling. Distraction can be overcome, confusion can be straightened out, but laziness and absent-minded are heavy and dark. Distraction and confusion at least have a place, but in laziness and absent-mindedness the anima alone is active.
(09:44:56) (Host-Roz) any one have any of these problesm with meditation? lol
(09:45:12) (anony) raises hands
(09:45:15) (Lory) Probably laziness, Roz.
(09:45:24) (ernie) anima ?
(09:45:31) (Host-Roz) you itch ??lol
(09:45:42) (ernie) is that from latin for lazy
(09:45:43) (ernie) lol
(09:45:44) (Host-Roz) intiutive receptive self ernie
(09:46:01) (ernie) ok sorry
(09:46:06) (anony) sleepiness absentmindedness inattention hmmmmmmmmmm
(09:46:25) (Host-Roz) In inattention the animus is still present, but in laziness pure darkness rules. If one becomes sleepy during meditation, that is an effect of laziness. Breathing alone serves to remove laziness. Although the breath that flows in and out through the nose is not the true breath, the flowing in and out of the true breath is connected with it.
(09:46:40) (ernie) can lazyness be treated
(09:46:41) (ernie) ?
(09:47:12) (Host-Roz) In sitting down, after dropping the lids, one establishes a plumb-line with the eyes and shifts the Light downward. But if the transposition downward is not successful, then the heart is directed toward listening to the breathing. One should not be able to hear with the ear the outgoing and inhaling of the breath. What one hears is that it has no tone.
(09:47:28) (Host-Roz) it tells you how to over come laziness
(09:48:14) (ernie) ok Roz i am listening'
(09:48:24) (Host-Roz) As soon as it has tone, the breathing is rough and superficial, and does not penetrate into what is fine. Then the heart must be made quite light and insignificant. The more it is released, the less important it becomes; the less important, the quieter. All at once it becomes so quiet that it stops.
(09:49:34) (Host-Roz) Then the true breathing is manifested and the form of the heart can be made conscious. When the heart is light, the breathing is light, for every movement of the heart brings about breathing power. If breathing is light, the heart is light, for every movement of the breath affects the heart.
(09:49:40) (ernie) stop the heart ? or super slow it down it is great having the power to stop and start it
(09:50:04) (Host-Roz) heart rate will slow naturally
(09:51:08) (Host-Roz) when you control the breath, the same autonomic nervous system controls the breath, heart rate and meditation
(09:52:26) (ernie) ok
(09:52:29) (Host-Roz) In order to steady the heart, one begins by cultivating the breathing power. The heart cannot be influenced directly. Therefore the breathing power is used as a handle, and this is what is called protecting the collected breathing power.
(09:52:45) (Host-Roz) everyone clear?
(09:52:54) (ernie) amen
(09:53:31) (Host-Roz) Children, do you not understand the nature of motion? Motion can be produced by outside means. It is only another name for mastery. One can make the heart move merely by running. Should one not be able to bring it to rest then by concentrated quietness? The great holy ones who knew how the heart and breathing power mutually influence one another, have thought out an easier procedure as a way of helping posterity.
(09:55:00) (Host-Roz) In the Book of the Elixir, it is said: The hen can hatch her eggs because her heart is always listening. That is an important magic spell. The reason the hen can hatch her eggs is because of the power to heat. But the power of the heat can only warm the shells; it cannot penetrate into the interior. Therefore with her heart she conducts this power inward. This she does with her hearing. In this way ash concentrates her whole heart.
(09:55:42) (Host-Roz) the energy moves not by the will but by the ideal held
(09:56:20) (Host-Roz) When the heart penetrates, the power penetrates, and the chick receives the power of the heart and begins to live. Therefore a hen, even when she has left her eggs, always has the attitude of listening with a bent ear. Thus the concentration of the spirit is not interrupted. Because the concentration of the spirit suffers no interruption, neither does the power of heat suffer interruption day or night, and the spirit awakes to life.
(09:57:06) (Host-Roz) The awakening of the spirit is accomplished because the heart has first died. When a man can let his heart die, then the primordial spirit wakes to life. To kill the heart does not mean to let it dry and wither away, but it means that it is undivided and gathered into one.
(09:58:07) (Host-Roz) Buddha said: When you fix your heart on one point, then nothing is impossible for you. The heart easily runs away, so it is necessary to gather it together by means of breathing power. Breathing power easily becomes coarse, therefore it has to be refined by the heart. When that is done, can it then happen that it is not fixed?
(09:58:57) (Host-Roz) How to use heart correctly during breathing must be understood. It is use without use. One need only let the Light fall quite gently on the hearing. This sentence contains a secret meaning. What does it mean to let the Light fall? It is the radiance of the Light of one's own eyes. The eye looks inward and not outward. To sense brightness without looking outward means to look inward; it has nothing to do with an actual looking within.
(09:59:26) (Host-Roz) understood?
(09:59:48) (Lory) Not really, Roz?
(10:00:12) (Host-Roz) got a question Lory
(10:00:18) (Host-Roz) What does hearing mean? It is hearing the Light of one's own ear. The ear listens only within and does not listen to what is outside. To sense brightness without listening to what is outside, is to listen to what is within; it has nothing to do with actually listening to what is within. In this sort of hearing, one only hears that there is no sound; in this kind of seeing, one only sees that no shape is there.
(10:00:59) (Host-Roz) going into the Golden Silence there is not hearing nor seeing
(10:01:48) (Host-Roz) The awakening of the spirit is accomplished because the heart has first died. When a man can let his heart die, then the primordial spirit wakes to life. To kill the heart does not mean to let it dry and wither away, but it means that it is undivided and gathered into one.
(10:02:06) (Host-Roz) questions?
(10:02:58) (Lory) Yes, Looking without and within as you describe is not quite clear.....such as looking outward means to look inward; it has nothing to do with an actual looking within......
(10:03:37) (ernie) your answering your own question
(10:03:46) (Host-Roz) oh yes Lory you are actually looking within
(10:04:08) (ernie) sit back relax and read try to understand what shes saing
(10:04:24) (Host-Roz) at your own Christness
(10:04:27) (Leon) Hello mind it's me again
(10:04:37) (Lory) Thank you ernie, I shall try.
(10:05:02) (Host-Roz) as pure Light
(10:05:02) (ernie) and countering your self for not wanting to look
(10:05:33) (ernie) i dont know im just flapping tring to help myself too
(10:06:09) (Host-Roz) To sense brightness without listening to what is outside, is to listen to what is within; it has nothing to do with actually listening to what is within. In this sort of hearing, one only hears that there is no sound; in this kind of seeing, one only sees that no shape is there.
(10:07:23) (Host-Roz) In this sort of hearing, one only hears that there is no sound; in this kind of seeing, one only sees that no shape is there.
(10:07:41) (Host-Roz) only the Golden Silence
(10:08:19) (Host-Roz) that concludes the study for tonite
(10:08:20) (Lynn) I believe this is the inner silence to whick Black Wolf referred and which I sought.
(10:08:38) (Host-Roz) undoubtablly
(10:09:00) (Host-Roz) any other questions?
(10:09:08) (Leon) The source of divine spirit
(10:09:46) (Leon) The elimination of duality
(10:10:17) (Host-Roz) no intergration of the duality Leon
(10:10:45) (Leon) cool
(10:13:04) (Leon) Substance as well as Force, Love as well as Will. Femininine as well as masculine God is two in one
(10:16:33) (lilith) good lesson
(10:16:48) (ernie) it was
(10:20:41) (shelly) ty Roz,
(10:20:50) (Cris) Blessings all Thanks for the lesson Roz
(10:24:27) (Bill) L&L TY Roz
(10:25:06) (Lynn) Roz, what I caught of your lesson was meaningful to me. Thank you.
(10:25:09) (Host-Roz) was this helpful in your mediation life?
(10:25:28) (Lynn) yes
(10:25:46) (Leon) It's a different focus for me Roz
(10:26:00) (Host-Roz) helpful?
(10:26:39) (Leon) It enlightens me Roz --
(10:32:29) (WalksInSpirit) Great lesson tonight, Roz! Thank you!
(10:32:41) (Host-Roz) thanks WiS
(10:42:16) (Host-Roz) Love and Light All
