Post by WalksInSpirit on Apr 9, 2006 21:27:34 GMT -5
The Secret of The Book of Enoch: 04-09-06
(09:30:27) (Host-Roz-) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God…feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(09:30:38) (Host-Roz-) Amen
(09:30:45) (Qrious) amen.
(09:30:47) (merri) Amen
(09:30:53) (kazu) Amen!
(09:30:57) (Cris) Amen
(09:31:01) (diane) Amen
(09:31:02) (Leon) Amen
(09:31:05) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:31:38) (Host-Roz-) A world view so encyclopaediac that it embraced the geography of heaven and earth, astronomy, meteorology, medicine was no part of Jewish tradition - but was familiar to educated Greeks, but attempting to emulate and surpass Greek wisdom, by having an integrating divine plan for destiny, elaborated through an angelic host with which Enoch is in communication through his mystical travels."
(09:33:02) (Host-Roz-) The Book of Enoch Chapter 46:1-2 [1] There I beheld the Ancient of days whose head was like white wool, and with him another, whose countenance resembled that of a man. His countenance was full of grace, like that of one of the holy angels. Then I inquired of one of the angels, who went with me, and who showed me every secret thing, concerning this Son of man; who he was; whence he was; and why he accompanied the Ancient of days.
(09:33:48) (Host-Roz-) [2] He answered and said to me, This is the Son of man, to whom righteousness belongs; with whom righteousness has dwelt; and who will reveal all the treasures of that which is concealed: for the Lord of spirits has chosen him; and his portion has surpassed all before the Lord of spirits in everlasting uprightness."
(09:34:07) (Host-Roz-) Daniel also speaks of the Ancient of Days
(09:34:51) (Host-Roz-) The Enochian writings, in addition to many other writings that were excluded (or lost) from the Bible (i.e., the Book of Tobit, Esdras, etc.) were widely recognized by many of the early church fathers as "apocryphal" writings. The term "apocrypha" is derived from the Greek word meaning "hidden" or "secret". Originally, the import of the term may have been complimentary in that the term was applied to sacred books whose contents were too exalted to be made available to the general public.
(09:38:06) (Host-Roz-) GOD told Enoch face to Face
(09:39:21) (Host-Roz-) ; the Lord summoned me, and put me on his left near Gabriel. And I bowed down to to the Lord. And he spoke to me:
(09:40:22) (Host-Roz-) “All those things you have seen, Enoch, ~ completed by me, I shall tell you now
(09:40:52) (Host-Roz-) from invisable to visible
(09:42:22) (Host-Roz-) And I have not infirmed my angels of my secrets, nor of its origins, nor of my endless, unfathomable thinking of creation. Yet I opened up the light and rode through it as one of the invisible, as the sun rides from east to west. And I conceived the notion of “And he burst asunder. A great stone came out of him, bearing all creation, which I had wished to create. I saw that it was good. And I set a throne2 up for myself and sat down on it.
(09:43:33) (Host-Roz-) I said to the light, ‘Go higher, become firm, and be a foundation for the highest.’ But there is nothing higher than the light. All this I saw, having raised myself up from my throne.
(09:44:41) (Host-Roz-) There were books that were to be read in public worship and apocryphal books; Because some secret books were often preserved for use within the esoteric circles of the divinely - knit believers, many of the critically - spirited or "unenlightened" Church Fathers found themselves outside the realm of understanding, and therefore came to apply the term "apocryphal" to, what they claimed to be, heretical works which were forbidden to be read.
(09:45:40) (Host-Roz-) Most scholars say that the present form of the story in the Book of Enoch was penned sometime during the second century B.C. and was popular for at least five hundred years. The earliest Ethiopic text was apparently made from a Greek manuscript of the Book of Enoch, which itself was a copy of an earlier text. The original was apparently written in Semitic language, now thought to be Aramaic.
(09:46:06) (Host-Roz-) answer your questions Kazu?
(09:47:09) (Host-Roz-) Despite its unknown origins, Christians once accepted the words of this Book of Enoch as authentic scripture, especially the part about the fallen angels and their prophesied judgment. In fact, many of the key concepts used by Jesus Christ himself seem directly connected to terms and ideas in the Book of Enoch
(09:48:13) (Host-Roz-) Another remarkable bit of evidence for the early Christians' acceptance of the Book of Enoch was for many years buried under the King James Bible's mistranslation of Luke 9:35, describing the transfiguration of Christ: "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, 'This is my beloved Son: hear him." Apparently the translator here wished to make this verse agree with a similar verse in Matthew and Mark. But Luke's verse in the original Greek reads:
(09:48:32) (diane) according to this doc. , the 4 gospels of the new testament were finally decided on because of their simple, yet complete and attractive in language. Apochraphal is a more difficult style to understand and didn't have as much mass appeal
(09:49:17) (Host-Roz-) or only the "elect" were honored to have it
(09:49:50) (diane) this bishop, Eronaeous, or something, was under pressure to bring the church together due to the massacre of Christians
(09:50:08) (Host-Roz-) The "Elect One" is a most significant term (found fourteen times) in the Book of Enoch. If the book was indeed known to the apostles of Christ, with its abundant descriptions of the Elect One who should "sit upon the throne of glory" and the Elect One who should "dwell in the midst of them," then the great scriptural authenticity is accorded to the Book of Enoch when the "voice out of the cloud" tells the apostles, "This is my Son, the Elect One" - the one promised in the Book of Enoch.
(09:53:21) (Host-Roz-) "2 Enoch Major theological themes include: (1) God created the world out of nothing (24:2); (2) seven heavens (30:2-3) and angelic hosts; (3) God created the souls of men before the foundation of the earth (23:5); (4) abodes of heaven and hell are already prepared for righteous and sinners;(5) ethical teachings, which at times parallel those of the New Testament and Proverbs."
(09:54:10) (Host-Roz-) WE know about Enoch, now we will read the Book of Enoch,
(09:55:34) (kazu) hOST iT IS GREAT!!!!!
(09:55:37) (kazu) SDORRY
(09:56:28) (Host-Roz-) tell 'em what yer gona tell '.....tell 'em and tell 'em yu told 'em????
(09:56:40) (Host-Roz-) 1. THE word of the blessing of Enoch, how he blessed the elect and the righteous, who were to exist in the time of trouble; rejecting all the wicked and ungodly. Enoch, a righteous man, who was with God, answered and spoke, while his eyes were open, and while he saw a holy vision in the heavens. These angels showed me
(09:57:46) (Host-Roz-) glad you liKE IT KaZU
(09:57:52) (Host-Roz-) 2. From them I heard all things, and understood what I saw; that which will not take place in this generation, but in a generation, which is to succeed at a distant period, on account of the elect
(09:58:39) (Host-Roz-) account of the Elect...Jesus?
(09:59:04) (diane) most likely
(09:59:47) (kazu) sometimes abnormal insanitry commit homicide, were their spirit also made by the Lord?
(10:00:43) (kazu) ic
(10:00:48) (Qrious) yes kazu.. the spirit is from God.. but the person has free will to do what they want in thier own flesh..
(10:00:49) (Host-Roz-) all souls were created by God Kazu
(10:00:49) (Host-Roz-) 3. Upon their account I spoke and conversed with him, who will go forth from his habitation, the Holy and Mighty One, the God of the world:
(10:01:42) (Host-Roz-) 4. Who will hereafter tread upon Mount Sinai appear with his hosts; and be manifested in strength of his power from heaven.
(10:02:16) (Host-Roz-) Moses was long after Enoch
(10:03:06) (Host-Roz-) 6. Great fear and trembling shall seize them, even to the ends of the earth. The lofty mountains shall be troubled, and the exalted hills depressed, melting like a honeycomb in the flame. The earth shall be immerged, and all things which are in it perish; while judgment shall come upon all, even upon all the righteous:
(10:03:47) (diane) i'm so glad you said that, I thought i had the wrong Enoch. lol
(10:04:07) (Host-Roz-) 7. But to them shall he give peace: he shall preserve the elect, and towards them exercise clemency.8. Then shall all belong to God; be happy and blessed; and the splendour of the Godhead shall illuminate them.
(10:04:28) (Qrious) well.. there is two Enochs diane.. this one is from the Adamic line.. not Cains.
(10:04:59) (diane) Adam's grandson, right?
(10:05:31) (Host-Roz-) there are only fragments not complete chapters
(10:05:39) (Host-Roz-) ChapterII
(10:06:25) (Host-Roz-) 1.Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal’ for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.
(10:06:43) (Qrious) Methuselah's pops
(10:07:13) (diane) lol. ty Q
(10:07:13) (Host-Roz-) 1.All who are in the heavens know what is transacted there
(10:07:24) (Host-Roz-) yup Qrious
(10:08:04) (Host-Roz-) 2.They know that the heavenly luminaries change their paths; that each rises and sets regularly
(10:08:51) (Host-Roz-) They see that every work of God is invariable in the period of its appearance. They behold summer and winter: perceiving that the whole earth is full of water; and that the cloud, the dew, and the rain refresh it.
(10:10:25) (Host-Roz-) I am sent to you by the Father, that I may make the light of life to shine before you. The light lightens itself and the darkness, but the darkness knows only itself, and knows not the light. I have still many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them yet. For your eyes are used to the darkness, and the full light of the Heavenly Father would make you blind.
(10:11:13) (Host-Roz-) Therefore, you cannot yet understand that which I speak to you concerning the Heavenly Father who sent me to you. Follow, therefore, first, only the laws of your Earthly Mother, of which I have told you. And when her angels shall have cleansed and renewed your bodies and strengthened your eyes, you will be able to bear the light of our Heavenly Father.
(10:12:07) (Host-Roz-) When you can gaze on the brightness of the noonday sun with unflinching eyes, you can then look upon the blinding light of your Heavenly Father, which is a thousand times brighter than the brightness of a thousand suns.
(10:12:10) (Qrious) angels cleansing the body?
(10:13:05) (Host-Roz-) But how should you look upon the blinding light of you r Heavenly Father, when you cannot even bear the shining of the blazing sun? Believe me, the sun is as the flame of a candle beside the sun of truth of the Heavenly Father. Have but faith, therefore, and hope, and love.
(10:13:47) (Host-Roz-) I tell you truly, you shall not want your reward. If you believe in my words, you believe in him who sent me, who is the lord of all, and with whom all things are possible. For what is impossible with men, all these things are possible with God.
(10:14:10) (Host-Roz-) This ends the study for tonite
(10:14:28) (Host-Roz-) will continue w/ the book next wk
(10:14:34) (Bill) TY Roz
(10:14:37) (Qrious) thankyou Roz
(10:14:48) (diane) ty Roz.
(10:14:58) (Host-Roz-) yw
(10:15:01) (Cris) Thanks Roz I've enjoyed this
(10:15:08) (merri) good study Roz
(10:15:13) (Host-Roz-) so glad Cris
(10:15:15) (WalksInSpirit) Thank you, Roz! I'm really enjoying this series!
(10:15:27) (WalksInSpirit) Great chat tonight!
(10:15:27) (Host-Roz-) it gets a little hairy later on lol(10:15:34) (Leon) Thanks Roz
(10:16:37) (Host-Roz-) no scarey in its scope Merri
(10:16:49) (merri) kooooool
(10:17:01) (Host-Roz-) yah big time
(10:18:07) (Host-Roz-) any questions ?
(10:18:28) (Host-Roz-) now open chat
(09:30:38) (Host-Roz-) Amen
(09:30:45) (Qrious) amen.
(09:30:47) (merri) Amen
(09:30:53) (kazu) Amen!
(09:30:57) (Cris) Amen
(09:31:01) (diane) Amen
(09:31:02) (Leon) Amen
(09:31:05) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:31:38) (Host-Roz-) A world view so encyclopaediac that it embraced the geography of heaven and earth, astronomy, meteorology, medicine was no part of Jewish tradition - but was familiar to educated Greeks, but attempting to emulate and surpass Greek wisdom, by having an integrating divine plan for destiny, elaborated through an angelic host with which Enoch is in communication through his mystical travels."
(09:33:02) (Host-Roz-) The Book of Enoch Chapter 46:1-2 [1] There I beheld the Ancient of days whose head was like white wool, and with him another, whose countenance resembled that of a man. His countenance was full of grace, like that of one of the holy angels. Then I inquired of one of the angels, who went with me, and who showed me every secret thing, concerning this Son of man; who he was; whence he was; and why he accompanied the Ancient of days.
(09:33:48) (Host-Roz-) [2] He answered and said to me, This is the Son of man, to whom righteousness belongs; with whom righteousness has dwelt; and who will reveal all the treasures of that which is concealed: for the Lord of spirits has chosen him; and his portion has surpassed all before the Lord of spirits in everlasting uprightness."
(09:34:07) (Host-Roz-) Daniel also speaks of the Ancient of Days
(09:34:51) (Host-Roz-) The Enochian writings, in addition to many other writings that were excluded (or lost) from the Bible (i.e., the Book of Tobit, Esdras, etc.) were widely recognized by many of the early church fathers as "apocryphal" writings. The term "apocrypha" is derived from the Greek word meaning "hidden" or "secret". Originally, the import of the term may have been complimentary in that the term was applied to sacred books whose contents were too exalted to be made available to the general public.
(09:38:06) (Host-Roz-) GOD told Enoch face to Face
(09:39:21) (Host-Roz-) ; the Lord summoned me, and put me on his left near Gabriel. And I bowed down to to the Lord. And he spoke to me:
(09:40:22) (Host-Roz-) “All those things you have seen, Enoch, ~ completed by me, I shall tell you now
(09:40:52) (Host-Roz-) from invisable to visible
(09:42:22) (Host-Roz-) And I have not infirmed my angels of my secrets, nor of its origins, nor of my endless, unfathomable thinking of creation. Yet I opened up the light and rode through it as one of the invisible, as the sun rides from east to west. And I conceived the notion of “And he burst asunder. A great stone came out of him, bearing all creation, which I had wished to create. I saw that it was good. And I set a throne2 up for myself and sat down on it.
(09:43:33) (Host-Roz-) I said to the light, ‘Go higher, become firm, and be a foundation for the highest.’ But there is nothing higher than the light. All this I saw, having raised myself up from my throne.
(09:44:41) (Host-Roz-) There were books that were to be read in public worship and apocryphal books; Because some secret books were often preserved for use within the esoteric circles of the divinely - knit believers, many of the critically - spirited or "unenlightened" Church Fathers found themselves outside the realm of understanding, and therefore came to apply the term "apocryphal" to, what they claimed to be, heretical works which were forbidden to be read.
(09:45:40) (Host-Roz-) Most scholars say that the present form of the story in the Book of Enoch was penned sometime during the second century B.C. and was popular for at least five hundred years. The earliest Ethiopic text was apparently made from a Greek manuscript of the Book of Enoch, which itself was a copy of an earlier text. The original was apparently written in Semitic language, now thought to be Aramaic.
(09:46:06) (Host-Roz-) answer your questions Kazu?
(09:47:09) (Host-Roz-) Despite its unknown origins, Christians once accepted the words of this Book of Enoch as authentic scripture, especially the part about the fallen angels and their prophesied judgment. In fact, many of the key concepts used by Jesus Christ himself seem directly connected to terms and ideas in the Book of Enoch
(09:48:13) (Host-Roz-) Another remarkable bit of evidence for the early Christians' acceptance of the Book of Enoch was for many years buried under the King James Bible's mistranslation of Luke 9:35, describing the transfiguration of Christ: "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, 'This is my beloved Son: hear him." Apparently the translator here wished to make this verse agree with a similar verse in Matthew and Mark. But Luke's verse in the original Greek reads:
(09:48:32) (diane) according to this doc. , the 4 gospels of the new testament were finally decided on because of their simple, yet complete and attractive in language. Apochraphal is a more difficult style to understand and didn't have as much mass appeal
(09:49:17) (Host-Roz-) or only the "elect" were honored to have it
(09:49:50) (diane) this bishop, Eronaeous, or something, was under pressure to bring the church together due to the massacre of Christians
(09:50:08) (Host-Roz-) The "Elect One" is a most significant term (found fourteen times) in the Book of Enoch. If the book was indeed known to the apostles of Christ, with its abundant descriptions of the Elect One who should "sit upon the throne of glory" and the Elect One who should "dwell in the midst of them," then the great scriptural authenticity is accorded to the Book of Enoch when the "voice out of the cloud" tells the apostles, "This is my Son, the Elect One" - the one promised in the Book of Enoch.
(09:53:21) (Host-Roz-) "2 Enoch Major theological themes include: (1) God created the world out of nothing (24:2); (2) seven heavens (30:2-3) and angelic hosts; (3) God created the souls of men before the foundation of the earth (23:5); (4) abodes of heaven and hell are already prepared for righteous and sinners;(5) ethical teachings, which at times parallel those of the New Testament and Proverbs."
(09:54:10) (Host-Roz-) WE know about Enoch, now we will read the Book of Enoch,
(09:55:34) (kazu) hOST iT IS GREAT!!!!!
(09:55:37) (kazu) SDORRY
(09:56:28) (Host-Roz-) tell 'em what yer gona tell '.....tell 'em and tell 'em yu told 'em????
(09:56:40) (Host-Roz-) 1. THE word of the blessing of Enoch, how he blessed the elect and the righteous, who were to exist in the time of trouble; rejecting all the wicked and ungodly. Enoch, a righteous man, who was with God, answered and spoke, while his eyes were open, and while he saw a holy vision in the heavens. These angels showed me
(09:57:46) (Host-Roz-) glad you liKE IT KaZU
(09:57:52) (Host-Roz-) 2. From them I heard all things, and understood what I saw; that which will not take place in this generation, but in a generation, which is to succeed at a distant period, on account of the elect
(09:58:39) (Host-Roz-) account of the Elect...Jesus?
(09:59:04) (diane) most likely
(09:59:47) (kazu) sometimes abnormal insanitry commit homicide, were their spirit also made by the Lord?
(10:00:43) (kazu) ic
(10:00:48) (Qrious) yes kazu.. the spirit is from God.. but the person has free will to do what they want in thier own flesh..
(10:00:49) (Host-Roz-) all souls were created by God Kazu
(10:00:49) (Host-Roz-) 3. Upon their account I spoke and conversed with him, who will go forth from his habitation, the Holy and Mighty One, the God of the world:
(10:01:42) (Host-Roz-) 4. Who will hereafter tread upon Mount Sinai appear with his hosts; and be manifested in strength of his power from heaven.
(10:02:16) (Host-Roz-) Moses was long after Enoch
(10:03:06) (Host-Roz-) 6. Great fear and trembling shall seize them, even to the ends of the earth. The lofty mountains shall be troubled, and the exalted hills depressed, melting like a honeycomb in the flame. The earth shall be immerged, and all things which are in it perish; while judgment shall come upon all, even upon all the righteous:
(10:03:47) (diane) i'm so glad you said that, I thought i had the wrong Enoch. lol
(10:04:07) (Host-Roz-) 7. But to them shall he give peace: he shall preserve the elect, and towards them exercise clemency.8. Then shall all belong to God; be happy and blessed; and the splendour of the Godhead shall illuminate them.
(10:04:28) (Qrious) well.. there is two Enochs diane.. this one is from the Adamic line.. not Cains.
(10:04:59) (diane) Adam's grandson, right?
(10:05:31) (Host-Roz-) there are only fragments not complete chapters
(10:05:39) (Host-Roz-) ChapterII
(10:06:25) (Host-Roz-) 1.Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal’ for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him.
(10:06:43) (Qrious) Methuselah's pops
(10:07:13) (diane) lol. ty Q
(10:07:13) (Host-Roz-) 1.All who are in the heavens know what is transacted there
(10:07:24) (Host-Roz-) yup Qrious
(10:08:04) (Host-Roz-) 2.They know that the heavenly luminaries change their paths; that each rises and sets regularly
(10:08:51) (Host-Roz-) They see that every work of God is invariable in the period of its appearance. They behold summer and winter: perceiving that the whole earth is full of water; and that the cloud, the dew, and the rain refresh it.
(10:10:25) (Host-Roz-) I am sent to you by the Father, that I may make the light of life to shine before you. The light lightens itself and the darkness, but the darkness knows only itself, and knows not the light. I have still many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them yet. For your eyes are used to the darkness, and the full light of the Heavenly Father would make you blind.
(10:11:13) (Host-Roz-) Therefore, you cannot yet understand that which I speak to you concerning the Heavenly Father who sent me to you. Follow, therefore, first, only the laws of your Earthly Mother, of which I have told you. And when her angels shall have cleansed and renewed your bodies and strengthened your eyes, you will be able to bear the light of our Heavenly Father.
(10:12:07) (Host-Roz-) When you can gaze on the brightness of the noonday sun with unflinching eyes, you can then look upon the blinding light of your Heavenly Father, which is a thousand times brighter than the brightness of a thousand suns.
(10:12:10) (Qrious) angels cleansing the body?
(10:13:05) (Host-Roz-) But how should you look upon the blinding light of you r Heavenly Father, when you cannot even bear the shining of the blazing sun? Believe me, the sun is as the flame of a candle beside the sun of truth of the Heavenly Father. Have but faith, therefore, and hope, and love.
(10:13:47) (Host-Roz-) I tell you truly, you shall not want your reward. If you believe in my words, you believe in him who sent me, who is the lord of all, and with whom all things are possible. For what is impossible with men, all these things are possible with God.
(10:14:10) (Host-Roz-) This ends the study for tonite
(10:14:28) (Host-Roz-) will continue w/ the book next wk
(10:14:34) (Bill) TY Roz
(10:14:37) (Qrious) thankyou Roz
(10:14:48) (diane) ty Roz.
(10:14:58) (Host-Roz-) yw
(10:15:01) (Cris) Thanks Roz I've enjoyed this
(10:15:08) (merri) good study Roz
(10:15:13) (Host-Roz-) so glad Cris
(10:15:15) (WalksInSpirit) Thank you, Roz! I'm really enjoying this series!
(10:15:27) (WalksInSpirit) Great chat tonight!
(10:15:27) (Host-Roz-) it gets a little hairy later on lol(10:15:34) (Leon) Thanks Roz
(10:16:37) (Host-Roz-) no scarey in its scope Merri
(10:16:49) (merri) kooooool
(10:17:01) (Host-Roz-) yah big time
(10:18:07) (Host-Roz-) any questions ?
(10:18:28) (Host-Roz-) now open chat
