Post by WalksInSpirit on Apr 2, 2006 21:05:28 GMT -5
Sunday Night Chat, Hosted By Roz: 04-02-06
The Secret of The Book of Enoch
(09:25:07) (Roz) The Book of the Secrets of Enoch (2 Enoch) (Jewish Pseudepigrapha)
(09:25:42) (Bill) Jewish does that mean it isn't christian?
(09:25:44) (merri) what is Pseudepigrapha?
(09:25:46) (Roz) Book of the Secrets of Enoch (2 Enoch) is an apocalypse describing a ascent through the seven heavens,1 his personal vision of God throne room, and his return to earth, where he fulfills his come to write 366 books in order to instruct his sons in his personal acquired ethical and eschatological knowledge.
(09:26:12) (Roz) hey we were jews before we were christian
(09:26:22) (Roz) a body of work Merri
(09:26:38) (merri) TY
(09:27:22) (Roz) it was first discovered in what is now Ethopia
(09:27:28) (Roz) It was probably written by a Hellenistic Jew from Alexandria in the first century A.D. There have been a Hebrew original for parts of the book, but the present versions, two texts surviving in Old Church Slavonic, are translations from the Greek.
(09:27:45) (Leon) It seem like it was sooo long ago
(09:28:26) (merri) I thought it was written by Enoch?
(09:29:07) (Roz) The Christ soul As Enoch, a took on flesh, to teach and lead. He was not born, He did
(09:29:55) (Roz) not die, as these persons, and He realized that He could not show the way to mankind unless He made a pattern for them. He could not descend into their midst and teach them and expect them to follow; He had to suffer and think and experience earth as they did, and show them how to emerge from it.
(09:30:20) (Roz) first was Amelius, then Adam and then Enoch
(09:31:01) (Roz) First, as Amilius, He led - or projected - souls into the earth as thought forms. Then He came as Adam, the first physical man, who "fell" in the flesh and thus it became necessary for him to eventually come as the last Adam to show us the way. Thirdly He came as Enoch, who walked with God and was not because God took him
(09:32:01) (Roz) The tale told in 2 Enoch—not to be confused with l Enoch, a related but earlier apocalypse—is a poetic and visionary tract of a journey through Heaven and Hell; it also retells fantastically the Genesis myths of creation and Paradise; and finally it serves as a wisdom book of the good life.
(09:32:54) (Roz) Its admonitions to love God and humanity—to hate people would be to hate God’s creations in his own image—to help the poor and the weak, to feed the hungry and clothe the poor, to disdain worldly goods in favor of heavenly redemption of the soul, are all themes of intertestamental scriptures.
(09:33:47) (Roz) Throughout 2 Enoch, Enoch himself serves as a surrogate messiah, frequently asserting the divine origin and universality of his knowledge. He quotes words he has heard from God’s own lips. After his audience with God in Heaven, God orders his initiate to return to earth and to put in his “handwriting” books revealing the divine creation of the cosmos and the ethics of salvation.
(09:35:03) (Roz) For more information on Enoch the patriarch who “vanished” or was “translated” into Heaven by God, Genesis 5:21—24, 21 ~And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begot Methuselah;
(09:35:35) (Roz) sorry Rosie misses the begots
(09:36:12) (Roz) 22 And Enoch found favor in the ten presence of God three hundred years after he begot Methuselah, and begot ~ Sons and daughters 23 And all the days of Enoch were ~ three hundred sixty-five years; “~
(09:36:37) (Lory) Am confused. Enoch 2 is a man, but not Enoch 1 ?
(09:36:49) (Roz) . And Enoch found favor in the presence of God, and disappeared; for. God took him away.;
(09:37:08) (Roz) it is book no 1 and Book no 2 Lory
(09:37:38) (Lory) Oh good heavens. Am lost already.
(09:39:10) (Roz) not at all Lory we will study only Book no 2
(09:39:14) (Roz) Book of Enoch we read: “After this I besought the angel of peace, who proceeded with me, to explain all that was concealed. I said to him, “Who are those whom I have seen on the four sides, and whose words I have heard and written down”. He replied,” The first is the merciful, the patient, the holy Michael.
(09:40:56) (Roz) this information is what he receives from the Archangels
(09:41:57) (Roz) The second is he who presides over every suffering and every affliction of the sons of men, the holy Raphael. The third, who presides over all that is powerful, is Gabriel. And the fourth, who presides over repentance and the hope of those who will inherit eternal life, is Phanuel.”
(09:43:19) (Roz) We thus discover the source of Origen’s apparently superhuman knowledge, and detect his implicit trust in the Book of Enoch as a Divine revelation.
(09:45:08) (Roz) The Christ SpiritAs Adam, He knew not Birth, but did know death - as Enoch he
(09:45:27) (kazu) roz wwhyu did you determine rthis isuue as superhuman knowledge??
(09:45:49) (kazu) Sorry i wasn't here when you referto this issue
(09:46:24) (Roz) knew birth but did not know death. As Melkizedeck he knew neither birth nor death - as Joseph He knew all the pangs of life, a pattern of his life as the Master. As Joshua, the leader, as Jeshua, the recorder of all as had been. As Jesus the life as sacrifice - for he Knew Himself to be Himself, yet - came to fulfill the LAW, thus becoming the Law. The
(09:46:54) (Roz) I didnt determine it Kazu
(09:47:00) (kazu) ic
(09:48:18) (Roz) The Christ soul was interested in the plight of its brother souls trapped in earth, and after supervising the influx of the pure races, it took form itself from time to time to act as a leader to the people who were often bewildered.
(09:48:59) (Roz) I came that they may have Life, and may have [it] above measure. I am that Good Shepherd. The Good Shepherd gives up his ghost for the sheep. But he who is a hireling, and is not a shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and runs away, and the wolf snatches them out, and scatters the sheep. Now, he who is a hireling runs away, because he is a hireling, and does not care about the sheep.
(09:49:33) (Roz) I am that Good Shepherd; and I know mine, and am known of mine, even as the Father knows me, and I know the Father; and I give up my ghost for the sheep. Other sheep also I have, which are not of this fold; those
(09:50:11) (Roz) also must I bring, and they will hear my voice
(09:50:59) (Roz) Keep, then, the faith thou hast had in Him; for He is thy strength, He is thy bulwark; He is thy Elder Brother. In Him, ye may find that which will bring to thee, and others,
(09:51:40) (Roz) joy, peace, happiness, and that which makes men not afraid. For He IS peace; not as men count peace, not as men count happiness, but in that harmonious manner in which life, the expression of the Father in the earth, is one - even as He is one.
(09:52:16) (Roz) This concludes tonite's study
(09:52:31) (Bill) ty Roz
(09:52:39) (Roz) any questions?
(09:52:40) (Lory) Thanks Roz
(09:52:46) (Cris) Thanks Roz
(09:52:48) (WalksInSpirit) Thank you, Roz!
(09:53:07) (merri) is this just an introduction, Roz?
(09:53:40) (Roz) you are so welcome ya know the teach learns most yes Merri just the introduction
(09:54:20) (Cris) This should be vey interesting
(09:54:33) (Roz) it is most interesting Cris
(09:54:57) (merri) do we ever learn who wrote the book?
(09:55:34) (ky-mike) thanks roz
(09:55:35) (mark) what's the title?
(09:55:37) (Roz) the parchements are available to be seen in the vatican yes several translantions
(09:56:18) (Roz) the Secrets of the Book of Enoch... Mark
(09:56:20) (Leon) Thanks Roz
(09:56:37) (mark) ok thank you Roz
(09:56:50) (Roz) yw
(09:57:30) (merri) what is believed to be the original?
(09:57:32) (Roz) and some material from the dead sea scrolls
(09:58:05) (Roz) the Ethopian mannucripts
(09:58:50) (merri) and was translated in Greek?
(09:59:08) (Roz) Cayce has a lot of material as well
(09:59:20) (Roz) eventually
(09:59:32) (mark) on the dead sea scrolls ?
(09:59:48) (mark) Cayce has ?
(10:00:08) (Roz) yes but not in greek then Mark yes lots in the readings
(10:00:40) (Leon) Alot to look forward to Roz
(10:01:10) (Roz) I am sent to you by the Father, that I may make the light of life to shine before you. The light lightens itself and the darkness, but the darkness knows only itself, and knows not the light. I have still many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them yet. For your eyes are used to the darkness, and the full light of the Heavenly Father would make you blind.
(10:01:29) (Roz) yes Leon
(10:03:01) (Lory) I wonder how many have really read and know that promise to be truth, Roz.
(09:25:42) (Bill) Jewish does that mean it isn't christian?
(09:25:44) (merri) what is Pseudepigrapha?
(09:25:46) (Roz) Book of the Secrets of Enoch (2 Enoch) is an apocalypse describing a ascent through the seven heavens,1 his personal vision of God throne room, and his return to earth, where he fulfills his come to write 366 books in order to instruct his sons in his personal acquired ethical and eschatological knowledge.
(09:26:12) (Roz) hey we were jews before we were christian
(09:26:22) (Roz) a body of work Merri
(09:26:38) (merri) TY
(09:27:22) (Roz) it was first discovered in what is now Ethopia
(09:27:28) (Roz) It was probably written by a Hellenistic Jew from Alexandria in the first century A.D. There have been a Hebrew original for parts of the book, but the present versions, two texts surviving in Old Church Slavonic, are translations from the Greek.
(09:27:45) (Leon) It seem like it was sooo long ago
(09:28:26) (merri) I thought it was written by Enoch?
(09:29:07) (Roz) The Christ soul As Enoch, a took on flesh, to teach and lead. He was not born, He did
(09:29:55) (Roz) not die, as these persons, and He realized that He could not show the way to mankind unless He made a pattern for them. He could not descend into their midst and teach them and expect them to follow; He had to suffer and think and experience earth as they did, and show them how to emerge from it.
(09:30:20) (Roz) first was Amelius, then Adam and then Enoch
(09:31:01) (Roz) First, as Amilius, He led - or projected - souls into the earth as thought forms. Then He came as Adam, the first physical man, who "fell" in the flesh and thus it became necessary for him to eventually come as the last Adam to show us the way. Thirdly He came as Enoch, who walked with God and was not because God took him
(09:32:01) (Roz) The tale told in 2 Enoch—not to be confused with l Enoch, a related but earlier apocalypse—is a poetic and visionary tract of a journey through Heaven and Hell; it also retells fantastically the Genesis myths of creation and Paradise; and finally it serves as a wisdom book of the good life.
(09:32:54) (Roz) Its admonitions to love God and humanity—to hate people would be to hate God’s creations in his own image—to help the poor and the weak, to feed the hungry and clothe the poor, to disdain worldly goods in favor of heavenly redemption of the soul, are all themes of intertestamental scriptures.
(09:33:47) (Roz) Throughout 2 Enoch, Enoch himself serves as a surrogate messiah, frequently asserting the divine origin and universality of his knowledge. He quotes words he has heard from God’s own lips. After his audience with God in Heaven, God orders his initiate to return to earth and to put in his “handwriting” books revealing the divine creation of the cosmos and the ethics of salvation.
(09:35:03) (Roz) For more information on Enoch the patriarch who “vanished” or was “translated” into Heaven by God, Genesis 5:21—24, 21 ~And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begot Methuselah;
(09:35:35) (Roz) sorry Rosie misses the begots
(09:36:12) (Roz) 22 And Enoch found favor in the ten presence of God three hundred years after he begot Methuselah, and begot ~ Sons and daughters 23 And all the days of Enoch were ~ three hundred sixty-five years; “~
(09:36:37) (Lory) Am confused. Enoch 2 is a man, but not Enoch 1 ?
(09:36:49) (Roz) . And Enoch found favor in the presence of God, and disappeared; for. God took him away.;
(09:37:08) (Roz) it is book no 1 and Book no 2 Lory
(09:37:38) (Lory) Oh good heavens. Am lost already.
(09:39:10) (Roz) not at all Lory we will study only Book no 2
(09:39:14) (Roz) Book of Enoch we read: “After this I besought the angel of peace, who proceeded with me, to explain all that was concealed. I said to him, “Who are those whom I have seen on the four sides, and whose words I have heard and written down”. He replied,” The first is the merciful, the patient, the holy Michael.
(09:40:56) (Roz) this information is what he receives from the Archangels
(09:41:57) (Roz) The second is he who presides over every suffering and every affliction of the sons of men, the holy Raphael. The third, who presides over all that is powerful, is Gabriel. And the fourth, who presides over repentance and the hope of those who will inherit eternal life, is Phanuel.”
(09:43:19) (Roz) We thus discover the source of Origen’s apparently superhuman knowledge, and detect his implicit trust in the Book of Enoch as a Divine revelation.
(09:45:08) (Roz) The Christ SpiritAs Adam, He knew not Birth, but did know death - as Enoch he
(09:45:27) (kazu) roz wwhyu did you determine rthis isuue as superhuman knowledge??
(09:45:49) (kazu) Sorry i wasn't here when you referto this issue
(09:46:24) (Roz) knew birth but did not know death. As Melkizedeck he knew neither birth nor death - as Joseph He knew all the pangs of life, a pattern of his life as the Master. As Joshua, the leader, as Jeshua, the recorder of all as had been. As Jesus the life as sacrifice - for he Knew Himself to be Himself, yet - came to fulfill the LAW, thus becoming the Law. The
(09:46:54) (Roz) I didnt determine it Kazu
(09:47:00) (kazu) ic
(09:48:18) (Roz) The Christ soul was interested in the plight of its brother souls trapped in earth, and after supervising the influx of the pure races, it took form itself from time to time to act as a leader to the people who were often bewildered.
(09:48:59) (Roz) I came that they may have Life, and may have [it] above measure. I am that Good Shepherd. The Good Shepherd gives up his ghost for the sheep. But he who is a hireling, and is not a shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and runs away, and the wolf snatches them out, and scatters the sheep. Now, he who is a hireling runs away, because he is a hireling, and does not care about the sheep.
(09:49:33) (Roz) I am that Good Shepherd; and I know mine, and am known of mine, even as the Father knows me, and I know the Father; and I give up my ghost for the sheep. Other sheep also I have, which are not of this fold; those
(09:50:11) (Roz) also must I bring, and they will hear my voice
(09:50:59) (Roz) Keep, then, the faith thou hast had in Him; for He is thy strength, He is thy bulwark; He is thy Elder Brother. In Him, ye may find that which will bring to thee, and others,
(09:51:40) (Roz) joy, peace, happiness, and that which makes men not afraid. For He IS peace; not as men count peace, not as men count happiness, but in that harmonious manner in which life, the expression of the Father in the earth, is one - even as He is one.
(09:52:16) (Roz) This concludes tonite's study
(09:52:31) (Bill) ty Roz
(09:52:39) (Roz) any questions?
(09:52:40) (Lory) Thanks Roz
(09:52:46) (Cris) Thanks Roz
(09:52:48) (WalksInSpirit) Thank you, Roz!
(09:53:07) (merri) is this just an introduction, Roz?
(09:53:40) (Roz) you are so welcome ya know the teach learns most yes Merri just the introduction
(09:54:20) (Cris) This should be vey interesting
(09:54:33) (Roz) it is most interesting Cris
(09:54:57) (merri) do we ever learn who wrote the book?
(09:55:34) (ky-mike) thanks roz
(09:55:35) (mark) what's the title?
(09:55:37) (Roz) the parchements are available to be seen in the vatican yes several translantions
(09:56:18) (Roz) the Secrets of the Book of Enoch... Mark
(09:56:20) (Leon) Thanks Roz
(09:56:37) (mark) ok thank you Roz
(09:56:50) (Roz) yw
(09:57:30) (merri) what is believed to be the original?
(09:57:32) (Roz) and some material from the dead sea scrolls
(09:58:05) (Roz) the Ethopian mannucripts
(09:58:50) (merri) and was translated in Greek?
(09:59:08) (Roz) Cayce has a lot of material as well
(09:59:20) (Roz) eventually
(09:59:32) (mark) on the dead sea scrolls ?
(09:59:48) (mark) Cayce has ?
(10:00:08) (Roz) yes but not in greek then Mark yes lots in the readings
(10:00:40) (Leon) Alot to look forward to Roz
(10:01:10) (Roz) I am sent to you by the Father, that I may make the light of life to shine before you. The light lightens itself and the darkness, but the darkness knows only itself, and knows not the light. I have still many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them yet. For your eyes are used to the darkness, and the full light of the Heavenly Father would make you blind.
(10:01:29) (Roz) yes Leon
(10:03:01) (Lory) I wonder how many have really read and know that promise to be truth, Roz.
