Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 28, 2005 21:27:39 GMT -5
Genesis Study: 08-28-05
Chapter 49
(08:28:12) (Roz) lets take a minute and say a prayer for all those who are afflicted by Katrina
(08:28:45) (Roz) For the benefit of everyone in Katrina's projected path, let's all join in a concentrated effort in visualization and meditation of the wind storm calming down, becoming peaceful and vaporizing
(08:30:13) (Roz) Father God be with all those who are now in this is dome, tha it will be a place of refuge in a difficult situation
(08:30:48) (merri) Amen
(08:30:53) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(08:30:53) (Qrious) amen
(08:31:02) (Cris) Amen
(08:31:03) (diane) Amen
(08:31:08) (ron) amen
(08:31:14) (Cheryl) Amen
(08:31:21) (Roz) and bless all those who are ina position to be of comfort and aid
(08:31:26) (Roz) amen
(08:31:36) (diane) amen
(08:31:40) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(08:31:46) (ron) amen
(08:31:49) (merri) Amen
(08:31:49) (Cheryl) Amen
(08:31:50) (Cris) Amen
(08:32:11) (Roz) we are now in Chapter 49 of Genesis
(08:32:14) (Lory) AMEN
(08:33:00) (Roz) THEN JACOB CALLED HIS SONS AND I SAID TO THEM, GATHER YOURSELVES ;TOGETHER THAT I MAY TELL YOU THAT WHICH SHALL BEFALL YOU IN THE LAST DAYS.
(08:34:15) (Roz) 2 GATHER YOURSELVES TOGETHER AND ‘LISTEN, 0 SONS OF JACOB; AND HEARKEN TO ISRAEL YOUR FATHER.
(08:36:09) (Roz) cant get it to copy be patient LOL
(08:36:46) (Roz) 3 REUBEN. YOU ARE MY FIRST-BORN, MY MIGHT, AND THE BEGINNING OF MY STRENGTH, AND THE EXCELLENCY OF DIGNITY, AND THE EXCELLENCY OF POWER:
(08:38:08) (Roz) 4 YOU WENT ASTRAY LIKE WATER, YOU SHALL NOT EXCEL; BECAUSE YOU WENT UP TO YOUR FATHER’S BED; TRULY, YOU HAVE DEFILED MY BED BY GOING UP INTO IT.
(08:38:52) (Qrious) Reuben lost the birthright for sinin'
(08:39:13) (Roz) 5 SIMEON AND LEVI ARE BROTHERS; INSTRUMENTS OF ANGER ARE IN THEIR NATURE.
(08:39:41) (Roz) yup slept w/ one of Ja cobs concubiines
(08:39:46) (Qrious) they killed the dude that raped their sister... bummer deal.
(08:41:11) (Roz) 6 I NEVER AGREED TO THEIR COUNSELS; NOR DID I LOWER MYSELF TO SIT IN THEIR ASSEMBLY; FOR IN THEIR ANGER THEY SLEW MEN AND IN THEIR RAGE THEY DESTROYED A TOWN WALL.
(08:41:15) (Qrious) don't blame them tho.
(08:41:50) (Roz) 7 CURSED BE THEIR ANGER, FOR IT IS RAGING; AND THEIR WRATH, FOR IT IS FIERCE; I WILL DIVIDE THEM IN JACOB, AND SCATTER THEM IN ISRAEL.
(08:43:11) (Roz) 8 JUDAH, YOUR BROTHERS SHALL PRAISE YOU; YOUR HAND SHALL BE ON THE NECK OF YOUR ENEMIES; YOUR FATHER’S SONS SHALL BOW DOWN BEFORE YOU.
(08:43:53) (Roz) 9 JUDAH IS A LION’S WHELP; FROM THE PREY, MY SON, YOU ARE GONE UP; HE STOOPED DOWN, HE CROUCHED AS A LION, AND AS A YOUNG LION; WHO SHALL ROUSE HIM UP?
(08:44:41) (Roz) 10 THE SCEPTER SHALL NOT DEPART FROM JUDAH, NOR A LAWGIVER FROM BETWEEN HIS FEET, UNTIL THE COMING OF THE ONE TO WHOM THE SCEPTER BELONGS, TO WHOM THE GENTILES SHALL LOOK FORWARD.
(08:45:04) (Roz) speaking of the Messiah
(08:45:06) (ron) hmmm....
(08:45:26) (ernie) the
(08:45:31) (ernie) THE
(08:45:33) (Qrious) the scepter of kingship falls to Judah...
(08:45:45) (Roz) 11 HE SHALL TIE UP HIS FOAL TO THE VINE, AND HIS ASS’S COLT TO A BRANCH; HE SHALL BLEACH HIS GARMENTS WITH WINE, AND HIS ROBE WITH THE JUICES OF THE GRAPE;
(08:45:51) (ernie) hes just holding it fur him
(08:46:25) (Roz) recall Jesus' trip in to Jerusaalem on a colt?
(08:46:32) (ron) purple the color of royalty
(08:46:34) (Qrious) its where the geneology follows ernie..through Judah.
(08:46:35) (Andrew) Judah to suffer from alcoholism ?
(08:47:08) (diane) LOL andrew
(08:47:29) (Roz) no andrew it was the foretellingof the taking of Last Supper
(08:47:57) (Qrious) wine=blood Andrew.. to be bleached.. like to be washed white... get it.
(08:48:13) (Andrew) where's the bread ?
(08:48:27) (Qrious) that the body Andrew... not the blood.
(08:48:49) (Qrious) do this in memory of me.. member... last supper.
(08:48:56) (ernie) what did they use for bleach?
(08:49:07) (ernie) they cleanced
(08:49:26) (ernie) for trueness pure white?
(08:50:03) (Andrew) oh i get it jesus sayings are pure
(08:50:12) (Andrew) ie what comes from his mouth
(08:50:42) (Roz) 12 HIS EYES SHALL BE RADIANT WITHWINE, AND HIS TEETH WHITE WITH MILK
(08:51:09) (Roz) his words pure
(08:51:37) (Qrious) that does kinda sound like alcholism huh Andrew.
(08:51:46) (Qrious) bloodshot eyes.
(08:51:51) (Roz) 13 ZEBULUN SHALL DWELL AT THE SHORE OF THE SEAS; AND HE SHALL BE A HAVEN FOR SHIPS; AND HIS BORDER SHALL EX TEND AS FAR AS ZIDON.
(08:51:57) (ernie) it was white in refreance to pure truth
(08:52:04) (Roz) now Qrious !!!!
(08:52:16) (Qrious) just playin wit ya.
(08:52:18) (ernie) lol
(08:52:19) (Roz) bite your tongue
(08:52:27) (Qrious) k.
(08:53:34) (Roz) for all new comers Jacob on his death bed is tellingthe future of his sons
(08:53:40) (Roz) 14 ISSACHAR IS A MIGHTY MAN COUCHING BY THE HIGHWAYS;
(08:54:31) (Roz) Judha was of the Royal house the progenitor of Jesus
(08:55:11) (Roz) 15 AND HE SAW THAT HIS DWELLING PLACE WAS GOOD, AND HIS LAND FERTILE AND HE BOWED HIS SHOULDER TO SERVITUDE, AND BECAME A SERVANT TO TRIBUTE
(08:55:16) (merri) because of his mother?
(08:55:39) (Roz) well who is to say?
(08:55:48) (WalksInSpirit) Jesus was referred to as "The Lion Of Judah"
(08:56:01) (Qrious) Reuben was the firstborn.. but lost the birthrite.
(08:56:08) (merri) don't understand
(08:56:24) (merri) why is Judah of the Royal house?
(08:56:31) (merri) and not the others
(08:56:45) (Qrious) all of the promises made to Abraham was to the firstborn of the bloodline of Abram..
(08:57:06) (Roz) Jacob designated him
(08:57:09) (Qrious) Esau sold his to Jacob..
(08:57:19) (Qrious) for a meal... God hated him for that.
(08:57:20) (Roz) 16.~DAN SHALL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE AS IF THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL WERE ONE.
(08:58:08) (Roz) well or did not favor him..... hate is a strong word for God?
(08:58:13) (Qrious) out of Dan came Sampson.. the last judge.. if memory serves.
(08:58:23) (merri) God hated?
(08:58:26) (Qrious) it said hate Roz.
(08:58:30) (ron) i thought Samson was the first judge
(08:58:54) (Qrious) Dan was the first.. that is what we are learning here tonight.
(08:59:00) (Roz) yah ya did Qrious!!!
(08:59:05) (Roz) 17 DAN SHALL BE A SERPENT BY THE WAY, AN ADDER IN THE PATHS, THAT BITES THE HORSE’S HEEL AND CAUSES ITS RIDER TO FALL BACKWARD.
(08:59:25) (BlackWolf) Does the Universal Spirit hate anyone? surely it is beyond that.
(08:59:29) (Roz) wht do you think this means?
(08:59:41) (ron) from the Book of Judges
(08:59:50) (Roz) see BW agrees w/ me Qrious
(08:59:58) (merri) I think these concepts are confusing
(09:00:24) (ernie) hes going to fall by his own way
(09:00:28) (ernie) ?
(09:00:37) (Lory) This is the Aramaic interpretation, merri.
(09:00:39) (Qrious) look into the new testament.. jacob I love esau I hated.
(09:00:58) (ernie) a low one
(09:00:59) (diane) I think that when they translated from the original language, the word hate was probably closest to meaning
(09:01:05) (merri) I know, Lory
(09:01:05) (Roz) you gona disagree w/ both Bw and Me LOL
(09:01:20) (Qrious) yep.
(09:01:22) (BlackWolf) /\../\
(09:01:28) (Roz) 18 I HAVE WAITED FOR THY SALVATION, O LORD
(09:02:58) (Roz) 19 GAD SHALL GO OUT TO RAID, AND SHALL PURSUE AT THE HEELS OF HIS ENEMIES.
(09:04:09) (Roz) 20 AS FOR ASHER, HIS LAND IS GOOD, AND HE SHALL SUPPLY KINGS WITH FOOD. 21 NAPHTALI IS A SWIFT MESSENGER; HE GIVES GOODLY WORDS.
(09:04:56) (Roz) 22 JOSEPH IS A DISCIPLINED SON, AN EDUCATED SON; A FRUITFUL BOUGH BY A SPRING, WHOSE BRANCHES RUN OVER THE WALL.
(09:05:20) (diane) never realized Asher was a biblical name. I know an Asher
(09:05:21) (Roz) interesting description
(09:05:49) (ernie) ashston
(09:05:56) (Lory) not only interesting, but beautiful
(09:06:01) (ernie) ashton
(09:06:06) (Roz) yes Lor it is
(09:06:11) (Roz) Lory*
(09:06:17) (Roz) 23 A COMPANY OF MEN QUARRELED WITH HIM, AND BEING GREAT IN NUMBERS, ENVIED HIM;
(09:07:02) (Roz) 24 BUT IN STRENGTH HE BENT HIS BOW, AND HIS ARMS WERE MADE STRONG BY THE HANDS OF THE MIGHTY ONE OF JACOB; (BY THE NAME OF THE SHEPHERD, THE STRENGTH OF ISRAEL:)
(09:07:45) (Roz) Jesus is called the good shepherd
(09:08:33) (Roz) 25 MAY THE GOD OF YOUR FATHER HELP YOU AND THE ALMIGHTY BLESS YOU WITH THE BLESSINGS OF HEAVEN ABOVE, BLESSINGS OF THE DEEP BENEATH, BLESSINGS OF THE BREASTS, AND OF THE WOMB;
(09:09:06) (Roz) interesting Blessing
(09:09:45) (Roz) 26 THE BLESSINGS OF YOUR FATHER HAVE PREVAILED ABOVE THE BLESSINGS OF MY FORBEARS TO THE UTMOST BOUND OF THE EVERLASTING HILLS; THEY SHALL BE ON THE HEAD OF JOSEPH, ON THE CROWN OF THE HEAD OF HIM WHO IS THE PRINCE OF HIS BROTHERS.
(09:09:59) (Lory) Jacob must have known God was preparing Joseph to become Jesus.
(09:10:16) (Roz) sounds like
(09:10:16) (Roz) sounds like
(09:10:33) (Roz) or recoognized his Christness
(09:11:13) (Roz) 27 BENJAMIN IS A PLUNDERING WOLF; IN THE MORNING HE SHALL DEVOUR THE PREY, AND IN THE EVENING HE SHALL DIVIDE THE SPOIL.
(09:11:36) (Roz) Josephs's blood brother
(09:11:42) (Lory) I wonder what that really means.
(09:11:54) (Andrew) Judas
(09:12:15) (Roz) 28 ALL THESE ARE THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL; AND THIS IS WHAT THEIR FATHER
(09:12:15) (Roz) 28 ALL THESE ARE THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL; AND THIS IS WHAT THEIR FATHER
(09:12:57) (Roz) do yu know for sure that Benjamin was Judas Andrew?
(09:13:22) (Qrious) benjamin could mean the people of the lost tribes that went over the caucasus mountains.. he could be the Vikings.. or Visigoths.
(09:13:27) (Andrew) Morning goes to the Pharisees to get the silver for betrayl
(09:13:39) (ron) Iscariot was Judah and Cain
(09:13:49) (Qrious) Migrating tribes.
(09:14:05) (Roz) JACOB SAID TO THEM; HE ADDRESSED THEM, THEN HE BLESSED THEM, ACCORDING TO HIS BLESSING, HE BLESSED EVERY ONE OF THEM.
(09:14:20) (Andrew) Evening flings back the silver at the Pharisees
(09:14:37) (Lory) Interesting concept Andrew.
(09:15:02) (Roz) 29 THEN THEIR FATHER BLESSED THEM, AND CHARGED THEM, AND SAID TO THEM, I AM TO BE GATHERED TO MY PEOPLE; BURY ME WITH MY FATHERS IN THE CAVE: IT IS IN THE FIELD OF EPHRON THE HITTITE
(09:15:09) (Qrious) which Cain ron?
(09:15:31) (Roz) Judah?
(09:16:09) (Roz) 30 IN THE CAVE, WHICH IS IN THE FIELD OF EPHRON THE HITTITE, IN THE DOUBLE
(09:16:45) (Roz) CAVE, WHICH IS IN THE FIELD, BEFORE MAMRE. IN THE LAND OF CANAAN, THE FIELD WHICH ABRAHAM BOUGHT FROM EPHRON THE HITTITE AS A POSSESSION FOR A BURIAL GROUND.
(09:17:18) (Roz) 31 THERE THEY BURIED ABRAHAM AND SARAH HIS WIFE; THERE THEY BURIED ISAAC AND REBEKAH HIS WIFE; AND THERE I BURIED LEAH.
(09:17:54) (Roz) 32. THE FIELD AND THE CAVE WHICH IS IN IT WERE PURCHASED FROM THE CHILDREN OF HETH.
(09:18:32) (Roz) 33 AND WHEN JACOB HAD FINISHED CHARGING HIS SONS, HE STRETCHED HIS FEET ON HIS BED, AND GREW WEAK, AND DIED AND WAS GATHERED TO HIS PEOPLE.
(09:18:48) (Roz) this ends chapter 49
(09:19:05) (Qrious) heth is from the bloodline of Ham.
(09:19:14) (Roz) start the last chapter next week
(09:19:20) (Lory) Roz, this interpretation is so much clearer and meaningful for me. I am so glad you have brought this message to us. Thank you.
(09:19:27) (Roz) interesting Qrious
(09:19:44) (Roz) teach learns most Lory
(09:20:06) (Lory) I understand your meaning Roz.
(09:20:38) (ernie) t/y Roz
(09:21:08) (Qrious) thanx for the class tonight Roz... didn't mean to interupt.