Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 21, 2005 21:06:38 GMT -5
Genesis Study: 08-21-05
"Genesis Chapter 48"
(08:26:32) (host-Roz) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God…feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(08:26:51) (host-Roz) Amen
(08:26:59) (merri) Amen
(08:27:00) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(08:27:03) (diane) amen
(08:27:19) (Bill) Amen
(08:28:53) (host-Roz) 1.AND IT CAME TO PASS AFTER THESE THINGS THAT JOSEPH WAS TOLD, BEHOLD, YOUR FATHER IS SICK; AND HE TOOK WITH HIM HIS TWO SONS, MANASSEH AND EPHRAIM.
(08:29:17) (host-Roz) who were born in Egypt
(08:29:51) (host-Roz) 2 AND THEY INFORMED JACOB, AND SAID TO HIM, BEHOLD, YOUR SON JOSEPH HAS COME TO YOU; AND ISRAEL STRENGTHENED HIMSELF, AND SAT UP ON THE BED.
(08:29:52) (merri) Joseph's sons?
(08:30:23) (host-Roz) yes Josephs sons from his Egyptian wife
(08:31:05) (host-Roz) 3 AND JACOB SAID TO JOSEPH, GOD ALMIGHTY APPEARED TO ME AT LUZ IN THE LAND OF CANAAN AND BLESSED ME
(08:31:46) (host-Roz) 4. AND HE SAID, BEHOLD, I WILL BLESS YOU, AND MULTIPLY YOU, AND I WILL MAKE OF YOU A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLES; AND I WILL GIVE YOU THIS LAND TO YOUR DESCENDANTS AFTER YOU FOR A N EVERLASTING POSSESSION.
(08:32:27) (host-Roz) 5 AND NOW YOUR TWO SONS, EPHRAIM AND MANASSEH, WHO WERE BORN TO YOU IN THE LAND OF EGYPT BE-FORE I CAME TO YOU INTO THE LAND OF EGYPT ARE MINE; AS REUBEN AND SIMEON, THEY SHALL BE MINE.
(08:33:11) (host-Roz) 6 BUT THE CHILDREN THAT YOU BEGOT AFTER THEM SHALL BE YOURS, AND SHALL BE
(08:33:50) (host-Roz) CALLED AFTER THE NAME OF THEIR BROTHERS WHEN THEY COME INTO THEIR INHERITANCE.
(08:34:32) (host-Roz) 7 AND AS FOR ME, WHEN 1 WAS COMING FROM PADAN-ARAM, RACHEL DIED AT MY SIDE IN THE LAND OF CANAAN ON THE WAY, WITHIN THE DISTANCE OF THREE OR FOUR MILES FROM THE ENTRANCE TO EPHRATH; AND I BURIED HER THERE ON THE ROAD TO EPHRATH; THE SAME IS BETHLEHEM.
(08:35:22) (host-Roz) 8 AND WHEN ISRAEL SAW JOSEPH’S SONS, HE SAID TO HIM, WHO ARE THESE?
(08:36:04) (host-Roz) 9 AND JOSEPH SAID TO HIS FATHER, THEY ARE MY SONS WHOM GOD HAS GIVEN ME IN THIS PLACE. AND HE SAID, BRING THEM NEAR ME, AND I WILL BLESS THEM.
(08:36:48) (host-Roz) 10 NOW THE EYES OF ISRAEL WERE DIM BECAUSE OF AGE, SO THAT HE COULD NOT SEE WELL. AND JOSEPH BROUGHT THEM NEAR TO HIM; AND HE KISSED THEM AND EMBRACED THEM.
(08:37:31) (host-Roz) realizing that Israel(Jacob was 130 at this time)
(08:38:04) (merri) no wonder he couldn't see so well!
(08:38:19) (host-Roz) exackle
(08:39:02) (host-Roz) 11 AND ISRAEL SAID TO JOSEPH, I HAD NOT THOUGHT TO SEE YOUR FACE; AND, LO, GOD HAS SHOWN ME YOUR CHILDREN ALSO.
(08:40:12) (diane) who woulda thunk?
(08:40:44) (host-Roz) 12 AND JOSEPH REMOVED THEM FROM BEFORE HIS KNEES, AND THEY BOWED THEMSELVES BEFORE HIM WITH THEIR FACES TO THE GROUND.
(08:41:25) (merri) question
(08:41:39) (host-Roz) a little skullduggery afoot here
(08:41:48) (host-Roz) sure Merri
(08:41:54) (merri) what did Jacob mean when saying Joseph's first two would be his?
(08:42:59) (host-Roz) they were to participate in the inheritance as the sons as all the other brothes
(08:43:13) (host-Roz) brothers*
(08:43:27) (diane) and their names would change?
(08:43:36) (merri) why? And why only two?
(08:44:09) (host-Roz) but subsequent sons would not, ,Joseph at that poin t only had two sons
(08:44:33) (host-Roz) not necessarily diane
(08:44:52) (host-Roz) okie?
(08:44:52) (diane) the names of the next two would be mansseh and ephraim, is how i read it
(08:45:30) (host-Roz) no that was the two sons by the Egyptian woman names
(08:45:40) (host-Roz) all clear?
(08:45:49) (WalksInSpirit) Something similar happened when my Grandmother passed. My cousins RuthAnn & Jeff were allowed to take their mother's (my Aunt's) part of the inheritance.
(08:46:27) (host-Roz) 14 AND ISRAEL STRETCHED OUT HIS RIGHT HAND, AND LAID IT UPON EPHRAIM’S HEAD, WHO WAS THE YOUNGER, AND H~ LEFT HAND UPON MANASSEH’S HEAD; I HE CHANGED THE POSITION OF HIS HANDS UNWITTINGLY, EVEN THOUGH MANASSEH WAS
(08:47:32) (host-Roz) HE CHANGED THE POSITION OF HIS HANDS UNWITTINGLY, EVEN THOUGH MANASSEH WAS THE FIRST-BORN.
(08:48:09) (host-Roz) the significance of this will be brought out later
(08:48:49) (host-Roz) 15 ~AND JACOB BLESSED JOSEPH HIS SON, SAYING, THE GOD BEFORE WHOM MY FATHERS ABRAHAM AND ISAAC WALKED RIGHTEOUSLY, THE GOD WHO HAS SUPPLIED MY NEEDS FROM MY YOUTH TO THIS DAY,
(08:49:49) (host-Roz) shades of Jacob and Esau
(08:49:55) (host-Roz) 16 THE ANGEL WHO HAS DELIVERED ME FROM ALL EVIL, BLESS THE LADS; AND LET THEM BEAR MY NAME AND THE NAMES I OF MY FATHERS, ABRAHAM AND ISAAC; AND LET THEM GROW AND MULTIPLY IN THE MIDST OF THE EARTH.
(08:50:38) (WalksInSpirit) Yeah, Roz! I was tryin to think of that one's name... Esau. The hairy dude.
(08:50:39) (host-Roz) 17 AND WHEN JOSEPH SAW THAT HIS FATHER LAID ‘HIS RIGHT HAND UPON THE HEAD OF EPHRAIM, IT DISPLEASED HIM; AND HE HELD UP HIS FATHER’S HAND, TO REMOVE IT FROM EPHRAIM’S HEAD TO MANASSEH’S HEAD.
(08:50:50) (host-Roz) yup Him
(08:51:35) (host-Roz) 18 AND. JOSEPH SAID TO HIS FATHER, NOT SO, MY FATHER; FOR THIS IS THE FIRSTBORN; PUT YOUR RIGHT HAND UPON HIS HEAD.
(08:51:49) (diane) yeah, jacob played a trick on Isaac, his dad, pretended he was Esau
(08:52:34) (diane) what goes around comes around
(08:52:35) (host-Roz) he sure did diane
(08:52:41) (host-Roz) 19 BUT HIS FATHER REFUSED, AND SAID, 1 KNOW IT, MY SON, I KNOW IT; HE ALSO SHALL BECOME A PEOPLE, AND HE ALSO SHALL BE GREAT: BUT HIS YOUNGER BROTHER SHALL BE GREATER THAN HE, AND HIS DESCENDANTS SHALL BECOME A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLES.
(08:53:15) (host-Roz) little foretelling the future?
(08:53:34) (merri) must have had a dream
(08:53:58) (WalksInSpirit) Or a little Consciously Creating Circumstances, maybe?
(08:54:23) (host-Roz) and he does even a more thorough job of it later
(08:54:23) (merri) there ya go!
(08:54:26) (diane) Good one, WIS
(08:54:28) (host-Roz) 20 AND HE BLESSED THEM THAT DAY, SAYING, BY YOU SHALL ISRAEL BLESS, AND I
(08:55:09) (BlackWolf) I wonder if they had lawyers in those days, this looks like another piece of inheritance skullduggery.
(08:55:27) (merri) lol
(08:55:37) (host-Roz) THUS HE SET EPHRAIM BEFORE MANASSSEH
(08:56:27) (host-Roz) Musta had his reasons
(08:56:42) (diane) So much for birth order
(08:57:26) (host-Roz) 21 THEN ISRAEL SAID TO JOSEPH, BEHOLD, I AM DYING, BUT GOD SHALL BE
(08:58:26) (host-Roz) WITH YOU, AND BRING YOU AGAIN TO THE LAND OF YOUR FATHERS.
(08:59:36) (host-Roz) First borns had more privileges
(08:59:42) (host-Roz) 22.MOREOVER I HAVE GIVEN TO YOU ONE PORTION OF THE LAND MORE THAN YOUR BROTHERS, WHICH I TOOK FROM THE LAND OF THE AMORITES WITH MY SWORD AND MY BOW
(09:00:33) (host-Roz) chapter 48 was a short chapter
(09:00:43) (host-Roz) next wk chapter 49
(09:00:52) (Bill) ty Roz
(09:01:18) (WalksInSpirit) Thanks, Roz! Awesome study, as usual!
(09:01:27) (host-Roz) yw Bill
(09:01:29) (Andrew) Great Roz
(09:02:23) (diane) Thanks, Roz...I feel that tonite's study shows is the more things change, the more they stay the same!
(09:06:31) (host-Roz) Thanks all for coming and participating so wonderfully
(09:06:59) (diane) My pleasure, Roz, TY
(09:07:11) (BlackWolf) Thank you Roz
(09:07:25) (Cris) Thanks Roz