Post by WalksInSpirit on Feb 12, 2006 22:17:44 GMT -5
"The Secret Of The Golden Flower" Study: 02-12-05
(09:20:19) (Host-Roz) FYI THE SECRET OF THE GOLDEN FLOWER this study will be given from conference given by Hugh Lynn Cayce and Dr. Herbert Puyear and published by the Are Press as a study guide
(09:20:54) (Meg) so kewl
(09:22:03) (Host-Roz) This study is in 6 parts; first a preparatory study and the series of five sessions, which are lengthy. If you wish to follow it with the book, it is available in paper back, THE SECRET OF THE GOLDEN FLOWER, A CHINESE BOOK OF LIFE, TRANSLATED AND EXPLAINED BY RICHARD WILHELM WITH COMMENTARY BY CC JUNG . A copy is not necessary for the study, as I will post salient excerpts, given by Hugh Lynn Cayce and Dr. Herbert Puyear
(09:24:22) (Host-Roz) 1.The purpose of the study of this book is an assured method of psychic experience.
(09:24:56) (Host-Roz) 2.Reaching Nirvana; Life after death.
(09:26:21) (Host-Roz) 3 Normalizes the sympathetic endrocrine glandular processes system
(09:26:59) (Host-Roz) 4. A quickening of the Spirit.
(09:27:36) (Host-Roz) The Promises of Meditation
(09:28:41) (Host-Roz) Although we have stressed the “hoping for nothing” (Luk6:35) spirit of love as being basic to proper meditation, we are also given many promises which we are invited to claim.
(09:29:19) (Host-Roz) Prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to Receive it. Malachi 3:10
(09:29:54) (Host-Roz) Specific promises of the beneficial effects of meditation are numerous in the Edgar Cayce readings. Summarized, they say that meditation properly practiced will make one stronger physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually, and consequently more able to be of help to others.
(09:30:37) (Host-Roz) Seeing, feeling, experiencing of that image in the creative forces of love, enter into the Holy of Holies. As self feels or experiences the raising of this, see it disseminated through the Inner eye (not the carnal eye) to that which will bring the greater understanding in meeting every condition in the of the body. Then listen to the music that is made as of thine own body responds to that new creative being, and that is disseminated through its own body we will find that little by little this entering in self to renew all that is necessary—in Him..meditation (when one has so purified self) that healing d and nature may be disseminated on the wings of thought
(09:33:12) (Host-Roz) The magnitude of the potential effect of the regular practice of mediation cannot even be imagined. The Secret of the Flower promises that meditation is so powerful a tool for spiritual growth that it can allow a man to move beyond the patterns that would draw him back into the earth for a thousand incarnations.
(09:33:45) (patricia) WOW!!! a thousand incarnations?
(09:34:02) (Host-Roz) Whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. John 4:14
(09:34:11) (Host-Roz) yup Patricia
(09:34:28) (patricia) that is so cool Roz
(09:34:55) (Bill) good news only a couple to go\
(09:35:01) (Sandy) lol
(09:35:02) (WalksInSpirit) LOL Bill
(09:35:15) (Host-Roz) yah God is so Kool!!!
(09:35:22) (Host-Roz) This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread, which came down from heaven:
(09:36:08) (Host-Roz) if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh which I will give for the life of the world. John 6:50-51
(09:37:13) (Host-Roz) It is no longer, then, afar off; but lo, it is within the heart and mind of each soul, - EVERYWHERE!
(09:37:27) (Host-Roz) nifty even !!
(09:38:02) (Host-Roz) For, whosoever WILL may take of the cup of life, and drink - in such measures that the thirsting is no more for those things that put fear and dread into the hearts of the children of’ men
(09:38:42) (Host-Roz) For it is neither in this temple, that city, nor the other land, but in thine own heart, in thine own mind.
(09:39:30) (Host-Roz) And THIS ye are to proclaim in thy service through the activities in which ye may be engaged, of whatever nature; whether as the assistant in the script for thine own broadcasts, or in that help ye may give to others.
(09:40:21) (Host-Roz) And as ye write, in whatever form or manner is chosen, express again and AGAIN that the day of the Lord is at hand! and that each soul, EVERYWHERE, partakes of’ same — in the fruits of the spirit, that are the holy gifts to every soul. For indeed, as He has given, he that gives the cup of water shall not lose his reward, Christ’s reward, God’s purpose. 11472—12
(09:41:26) (Host-Roz) we wont do a show of hands (yet ) but how many do now meditate on a regular basis?
(09:41:51) (ron) yes
(09:41:59) (Qrious) wasn't it a cup of wine.. that jesus didn't partake of when he gave it to his desciples at the last supper?
(09:42:37) (Cris) I do usually baring unforseen cuircumstances
(09:42:54) (WalksInSpirit) Blu and I do.
(09:42:55) (Host-Roz) Hugh Lynn says mediation is as important as breathing
(09:43:18) (merri) It's my balancing wheel
(09:43:24) (Meg) The Fruits of the Spirit, are Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faith and Self-Control
(09:44:07) (Lynn) I spend too much time meditating ..a bit out of balance I am.
(09:44:13) (Meg) sorry, a bit late,
(09:44:17) (Host-Roz) There are as many ways to meditate, as there are meditaters. (Quote from Dr. Puyear) It is most important to set aside a certain time and place, so the body adjusts itself for the process. Meditation is a learned process, and as the Secret of the Golden Flower says “we do not wish to leap over and go directly” but human nature does wish to “leap over and go directly”. We need to learn the order and balance of opening the charkas, not to separate inand balance of opening the charkas, not to separate in your mind, body , spirit… _DO NOT SPLIT FORCES
(09:45:52) (Lynn) What do you mean, do not split forces?
(09:45:56) (Host-Roz) this is a learned process
(09:46:16) (Host-Roz) do not split the mind body Spirit
(09:46:27) (Lynn) thank you, I see much in that
(09:47:30) (Host-Roz) THE NATURE OF THE MIND
(09:48:15) (Host-Roz) The Spirit is the Life means that there is only one force and
(09:49:19) (Host-Roz) That everything that exists is a manifestation of that force. It many vibrational levels, many qualities or densities; but it pure energy, and it has as its deepest qualities those of life
(09:50:07) (Host-Roz) We learn most by comparisons; this material the Secret of the Golden Flower was first composed 700ad by Nestorian Christians in China and also compares it to Jungian material concerning archetypes. It is the closest material to the readings as any material written. It will only make sense to you in light of your own experiences. Much like the Search for God material, you find something new each time you study it.
(09:50:49) (Meg) yes
(09:51:16) (Host-Roz) Perhaps it will strike many a reader as remarkable that there appear in the text sayings familiar to him from Christian teaching, while, on the other hand, these same well-known things which are very often taken only as ecclesiastical phrasing are here given quite a different perspective, because of the psychological connections in which they are used. We find intuitions and concepts like the following, to select only at random a few that is especially striking:
(09:51:44) (Meg) Roz, can understand the study of the Search for God material
(09:52:27) (Raleigh) ec said chistianity reborn in china / is it the nestorian roz / are they still there?
(09:52:51) (Host-Roz) no idea Ral
(09:52:57) (Raleigh) k
(09:54:17) (Host-Roz) Light is the life of man. The eye is the light of the body. Man is spiritually reborn out of water and fire, to which must be added ‘thought-earth’ (spirit), as womb, or tilled field. Let us compare the sayings of John: ‘I baptize you with water: after me shall come one who will baptize with the Holy Ghost and with fire’; or: ‘Except a man be born of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(09:55:20) (Host-Roz) this material will only have relevance in light of your own experiences
(09:55:33) (Raleigh) this is of the nestorian belief roz?(09:55:44) (Lynn) yes
(09:55:59) (Raleigh) pls lynn
(09:56:33) (Host-Roz) no Raleigh this is scripture from our Bible
(09:56:36) (Raleigh) may i have the link to the study group / write horsepuppies! at msn ty
(09:56:41) (Host-Roz) Q-6. : Why don’t I have more success with in
(09:57:43) (Host-Roz) A-6. Oft we find individual activity becomes so personal in even the meditations that there is sought that tbis which may have been reported to have happened to another must be the manner of happening to self. And in this manner there is cut away, there is built the barrier which prevents real inner self from experiencing. Let self loose, as it were, thy prayer ascends to the throne of grace, ever; only as self though, metes out to thy fellow man. Do not try, or desire a sign; for thou art in thyself a sign of that does worship within thine inner self’.
(09:58:00) (Raleigh) please explain eye is the light roz(09:58:46) (Host-Roz) later Raleigh
(09:58:53) (Raleigh) k
(10:00:03) (Host-Roz) For this commandment, which I command thee, this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. it not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou
(10:00:25) (Cris) that thou?
(10:00:56) (Raleigh) pls dont whisper to me roz ty
(10:01:01) (Host-Roz) the Chinese text tells us right up front what the book is about and then spends the book explaining it
(10:02:02) (Raleigh) ok roz i will shut up as you just said in a whisper to me / now dont whisper to me or i shut down the room
(10:02:10) (Raleigh) final warning / :)
(10:02:27) (Host-Roz) any questions about the purposes of meditation
(10:02:35) (Raleigh) yes
(10:02:44) (Raleigh) but ill ask later
(10:02:59) (Raleigh) ok
(10:05:07) (Host-Roz) that s the study for this evening we will get into the meat of it more next wk
(10:05:23) (patricia) thank you Roz
(10:05:27) (ron) i like this roz
(10:05:37) (Qrious) thanks for the class Roz
(10:05:38) (WalksInSpirit) Thank you Roz! This is awesome!
(10:05:44) (merri) looks very interesting Roz
(10:05:48) (Lynn) You filled in a gap for me, Roz.
(10:05:49) (Shelly) yes thank you for class Roz
(10:05:55) (Host-Roz) ty
(10:07:07) (Lynn) I looked up the definition of meditation in the dictionary. Has to do with deep thought.
(10:07:13) (Cris) I am looking forward to the rest Roz
(10:07:15) (Host-Roz) the first part is a preparatory study which we will continure next wk
(10:07:35) (Host-Roz) no it is comunnion with God Lynn
(10:07:49) (Lynn) Doesn´t have to be OMMMMM
(10:08:07) (Lynn) OMG!
(10:08:09) (WalksInSpirit) Prayer is talkin to The Creator. Meditation is listening to Him.
(10:08:21) (Lynn) I didn´t know that Roz. I have some gaps, I guess.
(10:08:29) (Host-Roz) what ever that means to you Lynn
(10:08:37) (Host-Roz) exackle Wis
(10:08:54) (WalksInSpirit) That's my plain ol defininition. ;-)
(10:08:58) (Lynn) Maybe just being with the ONE.
(10:09:15) (Host-Roz) we'll go slowly and bring everyone up to snuff
(10:09:30) (Host-Roz) even Bill!!!
(10:09:34) (Shelly) oh good
(10:09:39) (Bill) good luck
(10:09:40) (WalksInSpirit) LOL Roz
(10:09:43) (merri) lol
(10:09:44) (Cris) I also open my mind when I walk during the day
(10:09:53) (patricia) Thank you for that Roz, this ole gal only has one speed here and that is slow
(10:10:11) (Host-Roz) I have my ways of dealing w/ ppl like you billl
(10:10:15) (WalksInSpirit) I have two speeds, Patricia. Slow & Stop. LOL
(10:10:27) (patricia) lol, WIS
(10:11:10) (Host-Roz) in meditation we allow the mind to commune w/ our Spirit
(10:11:14) (Bill) well the other ones probably meditate
(10:12:11) (Host-Roz) we gather in all our scattered energies
(10:13:08) (Host-Roz) and use our transducers(chakras ) to open and and be in balance
(09:20:54) (Meg) so kewl
(09:22:03) (Host-Roz) This study is in 6 parts; first a preparatory study and the series of five sessions, which are lengthy. If you wish to follow it with the book, it is available in paper back, THE SECRET OF THE GOLDEN FLOWER, A CHINESE BOOK OF LIFE, TRANSLATED AND EXPLAINED BY RICHARD WILHELM WITH COMMENTARY BY CC JUNG . A copy is not necessary for the study, as I will post salient excerpts, given by Hugh Lynn Cayce and Dr. Herbert Puyear
(09:24:22) (Host-Roz) 1.The purpose of the study of this book is an assured method of psychic experience.
(09:24:56) (Host-Roz) 2.Reaching Nirvana; Life after death.
(09:26:21) (Host-Roz) 3 Normalizes the sympathetic endrocrine glandular processes system
(09:26:59) (Host-Roz) 4. A quickening of the Spirit.
(09:27:36) (Host-Roz) The Promises of Meditation
(09:28:41) (Host-Roz) Although we have stressed the “hoping for nothing” (Luk6:35) spirit of love as being basic to proper meditation, we are also given many promises which we are invited to claim.
(09:29:19) (Host-Roz) Prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to Receive it. Malachi 3:10
(09:29:54) (Host-Roz) Specific promises of the beneficial effects of meditation are numerous in the Edgar Cayce readings. Summarized, they say that meditation properly practiced will make one stronger physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually, and consequently more able to be of help to others.
(09:30:37) (Host-Roz) Seeing, feeling, experiencing of that image in the creative forces of love, enter into the Holy of Holies. As self feels or experiences the raising of this, see it disseminated through the Inner eye (not the carnal eye) to that which will bring the greater understanding in meeting every condition in the of the body. Then listen to the music that is made as of thine own body responds to that new creative being, and that is disseminated through its own body we will find that little by little this entering in self to renew all that is necessary—in Him..meditation (when one has so purified self) that healing d and nature may be disseminated on the wings of thought
(09:33:12) (Host-Roz) The magnitude of the potential effect of the regular practice of mediation cannot even be imagined. The Secret of the Flower promises that meditation is so powerful a tool for spiritual growth that it can allow a man to move beyond the patterns that would draw him back into the earth for a thousand incarnations.
(09:33:45) (patricia) WOW!!! a thousand incarnations?
(09:34:02) (Host-Roz) Whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. John 4:14
(09:34:11) (Host-Roz) yup Patricia
(09:34:28) (patricia) that is so cool Roz
(09:34:55) (Bill) good news only a couple to go\
(09:35:01) (Sandy) lol
(09:35:02) (WalksInSpirit) LOL Bill
(09:35:15) (Host-Roz) yah God is so Kool!!!
(09:35:22) (Host-Roz) This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread, which came down from heaven:
(09:36:08) (Host-Roz) if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh which I will give for the life of the world. John 6:50-51
(09:37:13) (Host-Roz) It is no longer, then, afar off; but lo, it is within the heart and mind of each soul, - EVERYWHERE!
(09:37:27) (Host-Roz) nifty even !!
(09:38:02) (Host-Roz) For, whosoever WILL may take of the cup of life, and drink - in such measures that the thirsting is no more for those things that put fear and dread into the hearts of the children of’ men
(09:38:42) (Host-Roz) For it is neither in this temple, that city, nor the other land, but in thine own heart, in thine own mind.
(09:39:30) (Host-Roz) And THIS ye are to proclaim in thy service through the activities in which ye may be engaged, of whatever nature; whether as the assistant in the script for thine own broadcasts, or in that help ye may give to others.
(09:40:21) (Host-Roz) And as ye write, in whatever form or manner is chosen, express again and AGAIN that the day of the Lord is at hand! and that each soul, EVERYWHERE, partakes of’ same — in the fruits of the spirit, that are the holy gifts to every soul. For indeed, as He has given, he that gives the cup of water shall not lose his reward, Christ’s reward, God’s purpose. 11472—12
(09:41:26) (Host-Roz) we wont do a show of hands (yet ) but how many do now meditate on a regular basis?
(09:41:51) (ron) yes
(09:41:59) (Qrious) wasn't it a cup of wine.. that jesus didn't partake of when he gave it to his desciples at the last supper?
(09:42:37) (Cris) I do usually baring unforseen cuircumstances
(09:42:54) (WalksInSpirit) Blu and I do.
(09:42:55) (Host-Roz) Hugh Lynn says mediation is as important as breathing
(09:43:18) (merri) It's my balancing wheel
(09:43:24) (Meg) The Fruits of the Spirit, are Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faith and Self-Control
(09:44:07) (Lynn) I spend too much time meditating ..a bit out of balance I am.
(09:44:13) (Meg) sorry, a bit late,
(09:44:17) (Host-Roz) There are as many ways to meditate, as there are meditaters. (Quote from Dr. Puyear) It is most important to set aside a certain time and place, so the body adjusts itself for the process. Meditation is a learned process, and as the Secret of the Golden Flower says “we do not wish to leap over and go directly” but human nature does wish to “leap over and go directly”. We need to learn the order and balance of opening the charkas, not to separate inand balance of opening the charkas, not to separate in your mind, body , spirit… _DO NOT SPLIT FORCES
(09:45:52) (Lynn) What do you mean, do not split forces?
(09:45:56) (Host-Roz) this is a learned process
(09:46:16) (Host-Roz) do not split the mind body Spirit
(09:46:27) (Lynn) thank you, I see much in that
(09:47:30) (Host-Roz) THE NATURE OF THE MIND
(09:48:15) (Host-Roz) The Spirit is the Life means that there is only one force and
(09:49:19) (Host-Roz) That everything that exists is a manifestation of that force. It many vibrational levels, many qualities or densities; but it pure energy, and it has as its deepest qualities those of life
(09:50:07) (Host-Roz) We learn most by comparisons; this material the Secret of the Golden Flower was first composed 700ad by Nestorian Christians in China and also compares it to Jungian material concerning archetypes. It is the closest material to the readings as any material written. It will only make sense to you in light of your own experiences. Much like the Search for God material, you find something new each time you study it.
(09:50:49) (Meg) yes
(09:51:16) (Host-Roz) Perhaps it will strike many a reader as remarkable that there appear in the text sayings familiar to him from Christian teaching, while, on the other hand, these same well-known things which are very often taken only as ecclesiastical phrasing are here given quite a different perspective, because of the psychological connections in which they are used. We find intuitions and concepts like the following, to select only at random a few that is especially striking:
(09:51:44) (Meg) Roz, can understand the study of the Search for God material
(09:52:27) (Raleigh) ec said chistianity reborn in china / is it the nestorian roz / are they still there?
(09:52:51) (Host-Roz) no idea Ral
(09:52:57) (Raleigh) k
(09:54:17) (Host-Roz) Light is the life of man. The eye is the light of the body. Man is spiritually reborn out of water and fire, to which must be added ‘thought-earth’ (spirit), as womb, or tilled field. Let us compare the sayings of John: ‘I baptize you with water: after me shall come one who will baptize with the Holy Ghost and with fire’; or: ‘Except a man be born of water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(09:55:20) (Host-Roz) this material will only have relevance in light of your own experiences
(09:55:33) (Raleigh) this is of the nestorian belief roz?(09:55:44) (Lynn) yes
(09:55:59) (Raleigh) pls lynn
(09:56:33) (Host-Roz) no Raleigh this is scripture from our Bible
(09:56:36) (Raleigh) may i have the link to the study group / write horsepuppies! at msn ty
(09:56:41) (Host-Roz) Q-6. : Why don’t I have more success with in
(09:57:43) (Host-Roz) A-6. Oft we find individual activity becomes so personal in even the meditations that there is sought that tbis which may have been reported to have happened to another must be the manner of happening to self. And in this manner there is cut away, there is built the barrier which prevents real inner self from experiencing. Let self loose, as it were, thy prayer ascends to the throne of grace, ever; only as self though, metes out to thy fellow man. Do not try, or desire a sign; for thou art in thyself a sign of that does worship within thine inner self’.
(09:58:00) (Raleigh) please explain eye is the light roz(09:58:46) (Host-Roz) later Raleigh
(09:58:53) (Raleigh) k
(10:00:03) (Host-Roz) For this commandment, which I command thee, this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. it not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou
(10:00:25) (Cris) that thou?
(10:00:56) (Raleigh) pls dont whisper to me roz ty
(10:01:01) (Host-Roz) the Chinese text tells us right up front what the book is about and then spends the book explaining it
(10:02:02) (Raleigh) ok roz i will shut up as you just said in a whisper to me / now dont whisper to me or i shut down the room
(10:02:10) (Raleigh) final warning / :)
(10:02:27) (Host-Roz) any questions about the purposes of meditation
(10:02:35) (Raleigh) yes
(10:02:44) (Raleigh) but ill ask later
(10:02:59) (Raleigh) ok
(10:05:07) (Host-Roz) that s the study for this evening we will get into the meat of it more next wk
(10:05:23) (patricia) thank you Roz
(10:05:27) (ron) i like this roz
(10:05:37) (Qrious) thanks for the class Roz
(10:05:38) (WalksInSpirit) Thank you Roz! This is awesome!
(10:05:44) (merri) looks very interesting Roz
(10:05:48) (Lynn) You filled in a gap for me, Roz.
(10:05:49) (Shelly) yes thank you for class Roz
(10:05:55) (Host-Roz) ty
(10:07:07) (Lynn) I looked up the definition of meditation in the dictionary. Has to do with deep thought.
(10:07:13) (Cris) I am looking forward to the rest Roz
(10:07:15) (Host-Roz) the first part is a preparatory study which we will continure next wk
(10:07:35) (Host-Roz) no it is comunnion with God Lynn
(10:07:49) (Lynn) Doesn´t have to be OMMMMM
(10:08:07) (Lynn) OMG!
(10:08:09) (WalksInSpirit) Prayer is talkin to The Creator. Meditation is listening to Him.
(10:08:21) (Lynn) I didn´t know that Roz. I have some gaps, I guess.
(10:08:29) (Host-Roz) what ever that means to you Lynn
(10:08:37) (Host-Roz) exackle Wis
(10:08:54) (WalksInSpirit) That's my plain ol defininition. ;-)
(10:08:58) (Lynn) Maybe just being with the ONE.
(10:09:15) (Host-Roz) we'll go slowly and bring everyone up to snuff
(10:09:30) (Host-Roz) even Bill!!!
(10:09:34) (Shelly) oh good
(10:09:39) (Bill) good luck
(10:09:40) (WalksInSpirit) LOL Roz
(10:09:43) (merri) lol
(10:09:44) (Cris) I also open my mind when I walk during the day
(10:09:53) (patricia) Thank you for that Roz, this ole gal only has one speed here and that is slow
(10:10:11) (Host-Roz) I have my ways of dealing w/ ppl like you billl
(10:10:15) (WalksInSpirit) I have two speeds, Patricia. Slow & Stop. LOL
(10:10:27) (patricia) lol, WIS
(10:11:10) (Host-Roz) in meditation we allow the mind to commune w/ our Spirit
(10:11:14) (Bill) well the other ones probably meditate
(10:12:11) (Host-Roz) we gather in all our scattered energies
(10:13:08) (Host-Roz) and use our transducers(chakras ) to open and and be in balance
