Post by WalksInSpirit on May 7, 2006 21:52:19 GMT -5
The Secret of The Book of Enoch: 05-07-06
(09:27:30) (Host-Roz) well looks like we're gonna be sparse tonite so lets start
(09:28:13) (Host-Roz) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God…feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(09:28:28) (Host-Roz) Amen
(09:28:37) (Sandy) Amen
(09:28:38) (merri) Amen
(09:28:42) (Cris) Amen
(09:28:53) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:29:16) (Host-Roz) going to back up just a tad
(09:29:22) (Host-Roz) 10.They elevated me aloft to heaven. I proceeded, until I arrived at a wall built with stones of crystals. A vibrating flame surrounded it, which began to strike me with terror.
(09:29:54) (Host-Roz) 11. Into this vibrating flame I entered;
(09:30:31) (Host-Roz) 12. And drew nigh to a spacious habitation built also with stones of crystal. Its walls too, as well as pavement, were formed with stones of crystal, and crystal likewise was the ground. Its roof had the appearance of agitated3 stars and flashes of lightning; and among them were cherubim of fire in a stormy sky.4
(09:31:06) (Host-Roz) A flame burned around its walls; and its portal blazed with fire. When I entered into this dwelling, it was hot as fire and cold as ice. No trace of delight or of life was there. Terror overwhelmed me, and a fearful shaking seized me.
(09:31:52) (Host-Roz) 13. Violently agitated and trembling, I fell upon my face. In the vision I looked
(09:32:30) (Host-Roz) 14. And behold there was another habitation more spacious than the former, every entrance to which was open before me, erected in the midst of a vibrating flame.
(09:33:12) (Host-Roz) 15. So greatly did it excel in all points, in glory, in magnificence, and in magnitude, that it is impossible to describe to you either the splendour or the extent of it.
(09:34:00) (Qrious) is this 2
(09:34:09) (Qrious) 2Enoch.. I mean?
(09:34:47) (Host-Roz) Qrious this is an explanation of Enochs encounter with God
(09:35:11) (Qrious) Oh.. when he was taken to several levels of heaven?.. that sort?
(09:35:12) (Host-Roz) yes Enoch 2
(09:35:19) (Host-Roz) yup
(09:35:23) (Qrious) k.
(09:36:01) (Host-Roz) 16. Its floor was on fire; above were lightnings and agitated stars, while its roof exhibited a blazing fire
(09:36:49) (Host-Roz) .17. Attentively I surveyed it, and saw that it contained an exalted throne;
(09:37:44) (Host-Roz) 18.The appearance of which was like that of frost; while its circumference resembled the orb of the brilliant sun; and there was the voice of the cherubim.
(09:38:39) (Host-Roz) 19.From underneath this mighty throne rivers of flaming fire issued. 20.To look upon it was impossible. 21.One great in glory sat upon it:
(09:39:28) (Host-Roz) 22.Whose robe was brighter than the sun, and whiter than snow. 23.No angel was capable of penetrating to view the face of Him, the Glorious and Effulgent; could any mortal behold Him. A fire was flaming around Him
(09:40:03) (merri) I find it hard to imagine God in any enclosure!
(09:40:08) (Host-Roz) 24..A. fire also of great extent continued to rise before Him; so that not one of those who surrounded Him was capable of approaching Him or the myriads of ‘myriads who were before Him To Him holy consultation was needless. Yet did not the sanctified who were near Him, depart far from Him either by night or by day; nor were they removed from Him. I also was so far advanced, with a veil on my face, and trembling. Then the Lord with his own mouth called
(09:40:37) (Host-Roz) any had such an experience?
(09:40:51) (Sandy) I haven't
(09:41:09) (Cris) Not here either
(09:41:11) (Host-Roz) 25. And He raised me up, making me draw near even to the entrance. My eye was directed to the ground..
(09:41:13) (mark) not i
(09:41:15) (Qrious) has God told his angel to tranform Enoch yet... ?(09:41:43) (Host-Roz) small wonder his gaze is directed at the ground?
(09:41:51) (Host-Roz) not yet Qrious
(09:42:19) (Qrious) oh.. sorry..
(09:42:21) (Host-Roz) would ya like to have this experience?
(09:42:27) (Sandy) Host-Roz...well...besides feeling insignificant...he didn't have his sunglasses on
(09:42:39) (Cris) lol
(09:42:46) (Host-Roz) probably not Sandy
(09:42:54) (Qrious) I'd probably soil myself If I was that close to God.
(09:42:58) (Sandy) lol
(09:43:29) (Host-Roz) Chapter XV1. Then addressing me, He spoke and said,1 Hear, neither be afraid, 0 righteous Enoch, thou scribe of righteousness :2 approach hither, and hear my voice. Go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to pray for them, You ought to pray for men, and not men for you.
(09:43:35) (Sandy) I would like to have an experience
(09:43:53) (Host-Roz) well you can be ya know
(09:44:14) (Sandy) how?
(09:44:51) (Host-Roz) 2. Wherefore have you forsaken the lofty and holy heaven, which endures for ever, and have lain with women; have defiled yourselves with the daughters of men; have taken to yourselves wives; have acted like the sons of the earth, and have begotten an impious offspring ?
(09:45:28) (Host-Roz) 3. You being spiritual, holy, and possessing a life4 which is eternal, have polluted yourselves with women; have begotten in carnal blood; have lusted in the blood of men; and have done as those who are flesh and blood do.
(09:46:22) (Host-Roz) he is speaking to the aangesl who came down and cohabitated w/ daughers of men and produced gaints
(09:46:27) (Qrious) are the Watchers men.. or angels?
(09:46:30) (Qrious) oh.
(09:46:47) (Host-Roz) who then ate up everything and then ate the men
(09:47:31) (Lory) Yuk. Cannibalism
(09:47:56) (Qrious) taste like chicken.. Lory.. lol
(09:48:15) (Lory) You may have my share, Qrious. :-)
(09:48:21) (Sandy) lol
(09:48:37) (mark) and mine
(09:49:11) (Host-Roz) 4.These however die and perish. 5.Therefore have I given to them wives, that y might cohabit with them; that sons might born of them; and that this might be transacted upon earth 6.But you from the beginning were made spiritual, possessing a life which is eternal, and not subject to death for ever.’
(09:49:22) (mark) i like chicken but not that much
(09:49:56) (Sandy) lol
(09:50:09) (Host-Roz) long pig?
(09:50:15) (Host-Roz) 7.Therefore I made not wives for you, because, being spiritual, your dwelling is in heaven.
(09:51:09) (Host-Roz) 8. the giants, who have been born of spirit and of flesh, shall be called upon earth evil spirits, and on earth shall be their habitation. Evil spirits shall proceed from their flesh, because they were created from above; from the holy Watchers was their beginning and primary foundation. Evil spirits shall they be upon earth, and the spirits of the wicked shall they be called. The habitation of the spirits of heaven shall be in
(09:52:33) (Host-Roz) but upon earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born on earth.
(09:53:23) (Host-Roz) 9.The spirits of the giants shall be like clouds, which shall oppress, corrupt, fall, contend, and bruise upon earth. 10.They shall cause lamentation. No food shall they eat; and they shall be thirsty; they shall be concealed, and shall not rise up against the sons of men, and against women; for they come forth during the days of slaughter and destruction.
(09:53:40) (Host-Roz) do you think this continues even today?
(09:54:47) (lilith) do not understand that "but upon earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born on the earth, at all - explain later please
(09:54:48) (Host-Roz) Chapter XVI1. And as to the death of the giants, wheresoever
(09:54:53) (merri) if you mean oppress, corrupt, fall, contend and bruise, yes!
(09:55:10) (Host-Roz) seemingly yes Merri
(09:55:33) (Cris) I think those might be some of the hanger on spirits when people are on drugs adn alcohol
(09:55:39) (Sandy) Host-Roz...do you mean spirits not dancing in the light? yes, they are around
(09:55:49) (Cris) leading people on to greater destruction
(09:55:53) (Qrious) I think its in reference on what Paul writes about the two bodies.. one celestial and the other terresrial lilith.
(09:56:15) (Host-Roz) 1. And as to the death of the giants, wheresoever
(09:56:30) (lilith) ty - still unclear - wish someone from THAT age would explain - probably be a long wait on that one!
(09:56:48) (Host-Roz) their spirits depart from their bodies, let their flesh, that which is perishable, be without judgment. Thus shall they perish, until the day of the great consummation of the great world. A destruction shall take place of 2 the Watchers and the impious.
(09:56:54) (Cris) If you look at some of the stoned and drunk people what looks back isn's always the original person in that body
(09:57:19) (Host-Roz) seemingly Cris
(09:57:44) (Qrious) well.. there were giants during that time also lilith.. called Geber,Nephalim,Raphaim.. stuff like that.. relatives to Goliaths people and his brothers from Gath.
(09:58:13) (lilith) yup, knew that Q. ty - was unsure of the names, just that they were definitely here
(09:58:36) (lilith) for "these were the days when giants walked the earth"
(09:59:08) (Host-Roz) yes Qrious we discussed the relation ship of these &the one called Satan
(09:59:20) (Host-Roz) 2. And now to the Watchers, who have sent thee to pray for them, who in the beginning were inheaven, 3. Say, In heaven have you been; secret things, however, have not been manifested to you; yethave you known a reprobated mystery.
(10:00:11) (Host-Roz) 4. And this you have related to women in the hardness of your heart, and by that mystery have women and mankind multiplied evils upon the earth. Say to them, Never therefore shall you obtain peace.
(10:01:29) (Host-Roz) Chapter XVII1. They raised me up into a certain place, where there was the appearance of a burning fire; and when they pleased they assumed the likeness of men
(10:02:17) (Host-Roz) 2 They carried me to a lofty spot, to a mountain, the top of which reached to heaven.
(10:02:51) (Host-Roz) 3.And I beheld the receptacles of light and of thunder at the extremities of the place, where it deepest. There was a bow of fire, and arrows their quiver, a sword of fire, and every species of lightning.
(10:03:34) (mark) every species of lightning?
(10:03:36) (Host-Roz) 4 Then they elevated me to a babbling stream, to a fire in the west, which received all the setting
(10:03:51) (Host-Roz) must be many kinds Mark
(10:03:58) (mark) ok
(10:04:27) (Host-Roz) of the sun. I came to a river of fire, which
(10:09:38) (Host-Roz) flowed like water, and emptied itself into the great sea westwards
(10:11:27) (Host-Roz) 5I saw every large river, until I arrived at the darkness. I went to where all of flesh migrates;~and I beheld the mountains of the gloom which constitutes winter, and the place from which issues the water in every abyss.
(10:12:04) (Host-Roz) 6. I saw also the mouths of all the rivers in the world and the mouths of the deep.
(10:12:11) (lilith) doesn't that "river of fire into the water" sound like a lava going into the sea?
(10:12:18) (Host-Roz) well were gonna hang it up here
(10:12:34) (Host-Roz) could be lilith
(10:12:46) (Lory) Is the person experiencing all this Enoch, Roz?
(10:13:39) (Host-Roz) I went to where all of flesh migrates;~ wonder what that means
(10:13:51) (lilith) if we remember the Piri (spelling?) map, this doesn't sound strange at all - well, maybe
(10:14:03) (Bill) earth?
(10:14:14) (mark) earth?
(10:14:15) (Host-Roz) makes sense Bill
(10:14:21) (Lory) Bill is probably right, Earth.
(10:14:24) (Qrious) he went to florida.. cause winter was around the bend Roz.. lol
(10:14:40) (Host-Roz) yah more than likely
(10:14:56) (lilith) well, if Bill is right, and don't doubt that for a minute, how come all the flesh migrates to the one place?
(10:15:18) (Lory) Because that is where we humans are , lilith.
(10:15:33) (Bill) where else are we flesh except on earth Lil?
(10:15:45) (Host-Roz) well we dont know yet if there is life in flesh on other planets yet
(10:15:51) (lilith) what - EXACTLY - is the make up of the ones doing all that? and ty for that - of corset!
(10:16:41) (lilith) cannot - cannot get a px in the mind of the speaker - anyone?
(10:16:55) (Host-Roz) Lory yes this is the experience of Enoch
(10:16:57) (Qrious) well... according to Cayce.. the earth/flesh part would make sence/
(10:17:34) (Host-Roz) Enoch was an incarnation of Jesus Lilith
(10:17:39) (Lory) And Enoch is one of the incarnations of Jesus, right?
(10:17:51) (Host-Roz) yes Lory
(10:18:05) (lilith) well, I knew that, but are the others mentioned also re-incarnations?
(10:18:28) (Qrious) well.. thats a hard one... cause .. if memories serves.. Enoch is gonna run into the Son of Man.. soon.
(10:18:28) (Lory) If Jesus had to do it, then the rest of us should surely never complain, should we. :-)
(10:19:13) (mark) If Jesus had to do what?
(10:19:14) (Host-Roz) he says in ths text that the off spring of the angels who fell would not incarnate
(10:19:15) (Qrious) been awhile since I read this .
(10:19:31) (Lory) reincarnate many many times, mark.
(10:19:40) (lilith) me too & not in its entirety
(10:19:42) (mark) oh ok,..ty Lory
(10:20:05) (lilith) somewhere 10,000 years are mentioned
(10:20:22) (lilith) lot of re-incarnating can be carried on in that length of time, right?
(10:20:26) (Host-Roz) in Amazing Grace?
(10:20:31) (merri) that would be the giants, Roz?
(10:20:44) (lilith) nope - struggling to remember
(10:20:45) (Qrious) yes Roz... that is one of the sins commited by the angels... the left their first abode.. as written in Jude.. and refused to be born of water.. (women).. as what Jesus said to Nicodemus..
(10:20:53) (Host-Roz) no to be extinguished
(10:21:36) (Host-Roz) because they were of a different realm
(10:22:11) (Qrious) they could have easily projected themselves into flesh.. but chose not too.
(10:22:44) (Host-Roz) since they were of a different realm could they?(10:23:14) (Lory) But not of the flesh as Adam, Qrious. This was the second creation.....
(10:23:19) (mark) i think they could
(10:23:23) (Qrious) well.. Jesus ate when in the transfigured body... and manna is eaten by the Israelites.
(10:23:53) (Host-Roz) we do have giants in the earth now
(10:24:00) (Qrious) and they were able to cohabitate with women... so I think angels are not so different from us.
(10:24:32) (Host-Roz) a point Qrious
(10:24:32) (Bill) the projection of souls into the physical was an evolution of possibly millions of yrs.
(10:24:34) (Lory) I have met angels here on earth in the flesh.....
(10:24:37) (Qrious) yah Roz.. and all those giants gather around a basketball.. lol
(10:24:40) (lilith) Natl. Geo. has program coming up soon, re: scads of giants unearthed literally in Patagonia - sounds like it would tie in here
(10:24:48) (Host-Roz) yah lol
(10:24:50) (Anne) some have made a career out of karma
(10:25:31) (Host-Roz) curiousier and curiousier
(10:25:47) (Lory) good word, Roz. :-)
(10:26:03) (Host-Roz) ty lol
(10:26:20) (Host-Roz) few thousand things we dont know yet?
(10:26:40) (lilith) y'all feel we HAVE to come back? have we a choice?
(10:26:58) (Anne) yes we do
(10:27:07) (Host-Roz) when we get it right Lilith?
(10:27:07) (lilith) we do - which?
(10:27:20) (Lory) Yes, we do come back until our soul is perfected
(10:27:25) (lilith) which, Roz?
(10:27:43) (Cris) If we want to shed our egos and strive for perfection we can skip earth
(10:27:48) (Qrious) well.. according to Cayce.. we wont come back till all our experience in this solar system is completed yet.. so I really wouldn't know.. but that is a rule of thumb.
(10:27:51) (Host-Roz) well I only know one who got it right and they strung him up
(10:27:52) (lilith) even if we aren't too thrilled at the idea??
(10:28:20) (lilith) there ya go!!! what an incentive!!
(10:28:31) (Lory) That is your conscious mind that is not thrilled about it, lilith. Nor your soul mind.
(10:28:45) (lilith) not so sure about that, darlin
(10:29:08) (Lory) :-) see what you mean, lil
(10:29:11) (Host-Roz) now take Bill he's become sainted
(10:29:24) (Cris) :o)
(10:29:35) (Cris) St Bill????
(10:29:37) (Qrious) well.. as for me.. I don't wanna go.. I wanna stick around till jesus shows back up.. like he said he would.
(10:29:41) (Host-Roz) he must be asleep
(10:29:42) (lilith) needs to be to hold this place in check!!! exakl - St. Bill
(10:29:57) (Bill) yes but until i follow the example set for me i'll be coming back
(10:30:20) (Lory) But you try so hard, Bill. Surely........
(10:30:35) (lilith) is it possible that some here, have already fulfilled their destiny & won't have to come back, that this is the last??
(10:30:44) (Qrious) well.. this is the litmus test for me.... if I could walk on water.. then its a good bet... I might have the next ticket out here.. lol
(10:30:46) (Host-Roz) we're trying and sometimes are very trying
(10:30:49) (Bill) just human like everyone else Lory slip every day
(10:31:06) (Anne) she meant see how you are, it is meant as a funny, i know you know
(10:31:37) (Lory) It would take a very old soul, lilith.
(10:31:40) (Bill) Well Q if you could walk on water without a constructive purpose it would be a waste :o)
(10:32:16) (Qrious) it keeps ya from sinking Bill... I'd say thats a perk.. lol
(10:32:17) (lilith) am sure it would, Lory - personally know one I feel has been here JILLIONS of years
(10:32:20) (Cris) I do think there are some completed souls who come back as a living example
(10:32:23) (Bill) Lilth when you meet such a person you'll know it :o)
(10:32:34) (Anne) lory many come to help like Jesus, then just go home job done
(10:32:46) (lilith) see above, Bill
(10:33:48) (Bill) we've all been here many times the ammount of time we come has no bareing on not having to come back
(10:34:15) (Qrious) its the group karma.. that interests me.
(10:35:13) (Anne) we all need to belong to something
(10:35:38) (Cris) We belong here
(10:35:48) (Qrious) purpose... that is the driving factor for me Anne..
(10:35:58) (lilith) believe we are all where we belong at this time, in this way, here
(10:36:11) (Anne) amen
(10:42:56) (mark) Thank you Roz
(10:46:08) (Host-Roz) so glad all could come and be a part of this study
(10:46:17) (Bill) L&L TY Roz
(10:46:38) (Lory) Another peaceful, pleasant and informative chat tonight. Thank you Roz.
(10:46:48) (Host-Roz) yw Lory
(10:47:32) (merri) Thankyou for tonights study Roz, Blessings All
(10:47:42) (Host-Roz) yw Merri
(10:48:16) (Anne) it is always good to be here
(10:48:28) (Host-Roz) good to have you
(10:48:52) (Anne) thank you teacher
(10:49:01) (Host-Roz) yw
(09:28:13) (Host-Roz) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God…feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(09:28:28) (Host-Roz) Amen
(09:28:37) (Sandy) Amen
(09:28:38) (merri) Amen
(09:28:42) (Cris) Amen
(09:28:53) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:29:16) (Host-Roz) going to back up just a tad
(09:29:22) (Host-Roz) 10.They elevated me aloft to heaven. I proceeded, until I arrived at a wall built with stones of crystals. A vibrating flame surrounded it, which began to strike me with terror.
(09:29:54) (Host-Roz) 11. Into this vibrating flame I entered;
(09:30:31) (Host-Roz) 12. And drew nigh to a spacious habitation built also with stones of crystal. Its walls too, as well as pavement, were formed with stones of crystal, and crystal likewise was the ground. Its roof had the appearance of agitated3 stars and flashes of lightning; and among them were cherubim of fire in a stormy sky.4
(09:31:06) (Host-Roz) A flame burned around its walls; and its portal blazed with fire. When I entered into this dwelling, it was hot as fire and cold as ice. No trace of delight or of life was there. Terror overwhelmed me, and a fearful shaking seized me.
(09:31:52) (Host-Roz) 13. Violently agitated and trembling, I fell upon my face. In the vision I looked
(09:32:30) (Host-Roz) 14. And behold there was another habitation more spacious than the former, every entrance to which was open before me, erected in the midst of a vibrating flame.
(09:33:12) (Host-Roz) 15. So greatly did it excel in all points, in glory, in magnificence, and in magnitude, that it is impossible to describe to you either the splendour or the extent of it.
(09:34:00) (Qrious) is this 2
(09:34:09) (Qrious) 2Enoch.. I mean?
(09:34:47) (Host-Roz) Qrious this is an explanation of Enochs encounter with God
(09:35:11) (Qrious) Oh.. when he was taken to several levels of heaven?.. that sort?
(09:35:12) (Host-Roz) yes Enoch 2
(09:35:19) (Host-Roz) yup
(09:35:23) (Qrious) k.
(09:36:01) (Host-Roz) 16. Its floor was on fire; above were lightnings and agitated stars, while its roof exhibited a blazing fire
(09:36:49) (Host-Roz) .17. Attentively I surveyed it, and saw that it contained an exalted throne;
(09:37:44) (Host-Roz) 18.The appearance of which was like that of frost; while its circumference resembled the orb of the brilliant sun; and there was the voice of the cherubim.
(09:38:39) (Host-Roz) 19.From underneath this mighty throne rivers of flaming fire issued. 20.To look upon it was impossible. 21.One great in glory sat upon it:
(09:39:28) (Host-Roz) 22.Whose robe was brighter than the sun, and whiter than snow. 23.No angel was capable of penetrating to view the face of Him, the Glorious and Effulgent; could any mortal behold Him. A fire was flaming around Him
(09:40:03) (merri) I find it hard to imagine God in any enclosure!
(09:40:08) (Host-Roz) 24..A. fire also of great extent continued to rise before Him; so that not one of those who surrounded Him was capable of approaching Him or the myriads of ‘myriads who were before Him To Him holy consultation was needless. Yet did not the sanctified who were near Him, depart far from Him either by night or by day; nor were they removed from Him. I also was so far advanced, with a veil on my face, and trembling. Then the Lord with his own mouth called
(09:40:37) (Host-Roz) any had such an experience?
(09:40:51) (Sandy) I haven't
(09:41:09) (Cris) Not here either
(09:41:11) (Host-Roz) 25. And He raised me up, making me draw near even to the entrance. My eye was directed to the ground..
(09:41:13) (mark) not i
(09:41:15) (Qrious) has God told his angel to tranform Enoch yet... ?(09:41:43) (Host-Roz) small wonder his gaze is directed at the ground?
(09:41:51) (Host-Roz) not yet Qrious
(09:42:19) (Qrious) oh.. sorry..
(09:42:21) (Host-Roz) would ya like to have this experience?
(09:42:27) (Sandy) Host-Roz...well...besides feeling insignificant...he didn't have his sunglasses on
(09:42:39) (Cris) lol
(09:42:46) (Host-Roz) probably not Sandy
(09:42:54) (Qrious) I'd probably soil myself If I was that close to God.
(09:42:58) (Sandy) lol
(09:43:29) (Host-Roz) Chapter XV1. Then addressing me, He spoke and said,1 Hear, neither be afraid, 0 righteous Enoch, thou scribe of righteousness :2 approach hither, and hear my voice. Go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to pray for them, You ought to pray for men, and not men for you.
(09:43:35) (Sandy) I would like to have an experience
(09:43:53) (Host-Roz) well you can be ya know
(09:44:14) (Sandy) how?
(09:44:51) (Host-Roz) 2. Wherefore have you forsaken the lofty and holy heaven, which endures for ever, and have lain with women; have defiled yourselves with the daughters of men; have taken to yourselves wives; have acted like the sons of the earth, and have begotten an impious offspring ?
(09:45:28) (Host-Roz) 3. You being spiritual, holy, and possessing a life4 which is eternal, have polluted yourselves with women; have begotten in carnal blood; have lusted in the blood of men; and have done as those who are flesh and blood do.
(09:46:22) (Host-Roz) he is speaking to the aangesl who came down and cohabitated w/ daughers of men and produced gaints
(09:46:27) (Qrious) are the Watchers men.. or angels?
(09:46:30) (Qrious) oh.
(09:46:47) (Host-Roz) who then ate up everything and then ate the men
(09:47:31) (Lory) Yuk. Cannibalism
(09:47:56) (Qrious) taste like chicken.. Lory.. lol
(09:48:15) (Lory) You may have my share, Qrious. :-)
(09:48:21) (Sandy) lol
(09:48:37) (mark) and mine
(09:49:11) (Host-Roz) 4.These however die and perish. 5.Therefore have I given to them wives, that y might cohabit with them; that sons might born of them; and that this might be transacted upon earth 6.But you from the beginning were made spiritual, possessing a life which is eternal, and not subject to death for ever.’
(09:49:22) (mark) i like chicken but not that much
(09:49:56) (Sandy) lol
(09:50:09) (Host-Roz) long pig?
(09:50:15) (Host-Roz) 7.Therefore I made not wives for you, because, being spiritual, your dwelling is in heaven.
(09:51:09) (Host-Roz) 8. the giants, who have been born of spirit and of flesh, shall be called upon earth evil spirits, and on earth shall be their habitation. Evil spirits shall proceed from their flesh, because they were created from above; from the holy Watchers was their beginning and primary foundation. Evil spirits shall they be upon earth, and the spirits of the wicked shall they be called. The habitation of the spirits of heaven shall be in
(09:52:33) (Host-Roz) but upon earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born on earth.
(09:53:23) (Host-Roz) 9.The spirits of the giants shall be like clouds, which shall oppress, corrupt, fall, contend, and bruise upon earth. 10.They shall cause lamentation. No food shall they eat; and they shall be thirsty; they shall be concealed, and shall not rise up against the sons of men, and against women; for they come forth during the days of slaughter and destruction.
(09:53:40) (Host-Roz) do you think this continues even today?
(09:54:47) (lilith) do not understand that "but upon earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born on the earth, at all - explain later please
(09:54:48) (Host-Roz) Chapter XVI1. And as to the death of the giants, wheresoever
(09:54:53) (merri) if you mean oppress, corrupt, fall, contend and bruise, yes!
(09:55:10) (Host-Roz) seemingly yes Merri
(09:55:33) (Cris) I think those might be some of the hanger on spirits when people are on drugs adn alcohol
(09:55:39) (Sandy) Host-Roz...do you mean spirits not dancing in the light? yes, they are around
(09:55:49) (Cris) leading people on to greater destruction
(09:55:53) (Qrious) I think its in reference on what Paul writes about the two bodies.. one celestial and the other terresrial lilith.
(09:56:15) (Host-Roz) 1. And as to the death of the giants, wheresoever
(09:56:30) (lilith) ty - still unclear - wish someone from THAT age would explain - probably be a long wait on that one!
(09:56:48) (Host-Roz) their spirits depart from their bodies, let their flesh, that which is perishable, be without judgment. Thus shall they perish, until the day of the great consummation of the great world. A destruction shall take place of 2 the Watchers and the impious.
(09:56:54) (Cris) If you look at some of the stoned and drunk people what looks back isn's always the original person in that body
(09:57:19) (Host-Roz) seemingly Cris
(09:57:44) (Qrious) well.. there were giants during that time also lilith.. called Geber,Nephalim,Raphaim.. stuff like that.. relatives to Goliaths people and his brothers from Gath.
(09:58:13) (lilith) yup, knew that Q. ty - was unsure of the names, just that they were definitely here
(09:58:36) (lilith) for "these were the days when giants walked the earth"
(09:59:08) (Host-Roz) yes Qrious we discussed the relation ship of these &the one called Satan
(09:59:20) (Host-Roz) 2. And now to the Watchers, who have sent thee to pray for them, who in the beginning were inheaven, 3. Say, In heaven have you been; secret things, however, have not been manifested to you; yethave you known a reprobated mystery.
(10:00:11) (Host-Roz) 4. And this you have related to women in the hardness of your heart, and by that mystery have women and mankind multiplied evils upon the earth. Say to them, Never therefore shall you obtain peace.
(10:01:29) (Host-Roz) Chapter XVII1. They raised me up into a certain place, where there was the appearance of a burning fire; and when they pleased they assumed the likeness of men
(10:02:17) (Host-Roz) 2 They carried me to a lofty spot, to a mountain, the top of which reached to heaven.
(10:02:51) (Host-Roz) 3.And I beheld the receptacles of light and of thunder at the extremities of the place, where it deepest. There was a bow of fire, and arrows their quiver, a sword of fire, and every species of lightning.
(10:03:34) (mark) every species of lightning?
(10:03:36) (Host-Roz) 4 Then they elevated me to a babbling stream, to a fire in the west, which received all the setting
(10:03:51) (Host-Roz) must be many kinds Mark
(10:03:58) (mark) ok
(10:04:27) (Host-Roz) of the sun. I came to a river of fire, which
(10:09:38) (Host-Roz) flowed like water, and emptied itself into the great sea westwards
(10:11:27) (Host-Roz) 5I saw every large river, until I arrived at the darkness. I went to where all of flesh migrates;~and I beheld the mountains of the gloom which constitutes winter, and the place from which issues the water in every abyss.
(10:12:04) (Host-Roz) 6. I saw also the mouths of all the rivers in the world and the mouths of the deep.
(10:12:11) (lilith) doesn't that "river of fire into the water" sound like a lava going into the sea?
(10:12:18) (Host-Roz) well were gonna hang it up here
(10:12:34) (Host-Roz) could be lilith
(10:12:46) (Lory) Is the person experiencing all this Enoch, Roz?
(10:13:39) (Host-Roz) I went to where all of flesh migrates;~ wonder what that means
(10:13:51) (lilith) if we remember the Piri (spelling?) map, this doesn't sound strange at all - well, maybe
(10:14:03) (Bill) earth?
(10:14:14) (mark) earth?
(10:14:15) (Host-Roz) makes sense Bill
(10:14:21) (Lory) Bill is probably right, Earth.
(10:14:24) (Qrious) he went to florida.. cause winter was around the bend Roz.. lol
(10:14:40) (Host-Roz) yah more than likely
(10:14:56) (lilith) well, if Bill is right, and don't doubt that for a minute, how come all the flesh migrates to the one place?
(10:15:18) (Lory) Because that is where we humans are , lilith.
(10:15:33) (Bill) where else are we flesh except on earth Lil?
(10:15:45) (Host-Roz) well we dont know yet if there is life in flesh on other planets yet
(10:15:51) (lilith) what - EXACTLY - is the make up of the ones doing all that? and ty for that - of corset!
(10:16:41) (lilith) cannot - cannot get a px in the mind of the speaker - anyone?
(10:16:55) (Host-Roz) Lory yes this is the experience of Enoch
(10:16:57) (Qrious) well... according to Cayce.. the earth/flesh part would make sence/
(10:17:34) (Host-Roz) Enoch was an incarnation of Jesus Lilith
(10:17:39) (Lory) And Enoch is one of the incarnations of Jesus, right?
(10:17:51) (Host-Roz) yes Lory
(10:18:05) (lilith) well, I knew that, but are the others mentioned also re-incarnations?
(10:18:28) (Qrious) well.. thats a hard one... cause .. if memories serves.. Enoch is gonna run into the Son of Man.. soon.
(10:18:28) (Lory) If Jesus had to do it, then the rest of us should surely never complain, should we. :-)
(10:19:13) (mark) If Jesus had to do what?
(10:19:14) (Host-Roz) he says in ths text that the off spring of the angels who fell would not incarnate
(10:19:15) (Qrious) been awhile since I read this .
(10:19:31) (Lory) reincarnate many many times, mark.
(10:19:40) (lilith) me too & not in its entirety
(10:19:42) (mark) oh ok,..ty Lory
(10:20:05) (lilith) somewhere 10,000 years are mentioned
(10:20:22) (lilith) lot of re-incarnating can be carried on in that length of time, right?
(10:20:26) (Host-Roz) in Amazing Grace?
(10:20:31) (merri) that would be the giants, Roz?
(10:20:44) (lilith) nope - struggling to remember
(10:20:45) (Qrious) yes Roz... that is one of the sins commited by the angels... the left their first abode.. as written in Jude.. and refused to be born of water.. (women).. as what Jesus said to Nicodemus..
(10:20:53) (Host-Roz) no to be extinguished
(10:21:36) (Host-Roz) because they were of a different realm
(10:22:11) (Qrious) they could have easily projected themselves into flesh.. but chose not too.
(10:22:44) (Host-Roz) since they were of a different realm could they?(10:23:14) (Lory) But not of the flesh as Adam, Qrious. This was the second creation.....
(10:23:19) (mark) i think they could
(10:23:23) (Qrious) well.. Jesus ate when in the transfigured body... and manna is eaten by the Israelites.
(10:23:53) (Host-Roz) we do have giants in the earth now
(10:24:00) (Qrious) and they were able to cohabitate with women... so I think angels are not so different from us.
(10:24:32) (Host-Roz) a point Qrious
(10:24:32) (Bill) the projection of souls into the physical was an evolution of possibly millions of yrs.
(10:24:34) (Lory) I have met angels here on earth in the flesh.....
(10:24:37) (Qrious) yah Roz.. and all those giants gather around a basketball.. lol
(10:24:40) (lilith) Natl. Geo. has program coming up soon, re: scads of giants unearthed literally in Patagonia - sounds like it would tie in here
(10:24:48) (Host-Roz) yah lol
(10:24:50) (Anne) some have made a career out of karma
(10:25:31) (Host-Roz) curiousier and curiousier
(10:25:47) (Lory) good word, Roz. :-)
(10:26:03) (Host-Roz) ty lol
(10:26:20) (Host-Roz) few thousand things we dont know yet?
(10:26:40) (lilith) y'all feel we HAVE to come back? have we a choice?
(10:26:58) (Anne) yes we do
(10:27:07) (Host-Roz) when we get it right Lilith?
(10:27:07) (lilith) we do - which?
(10:27:20) (Lory) Yes, we do come back until our soul is perfected
(10:27:25) (lilith) which, Roz?
(10:27:43) (Cris) If we want to shed our egos and strive for perfection we can skip earth
(10:27:48) (Qrious) well.. according to Cayce.. we wont come back till all our experience in this solar system is completed yet.. so I really wouldn't know.. but that is a rule of thumb.
(10:27:51) (Host-Roz) well I only know one who got it right and they strung him up
(10:27:52) (lilith) even if we aren't too thrilled at the idea??
(10:28:20) (lilith) there ya go!!! what an incentive!!
(10:28:31) (Lory) That is your conscious mind that is not thrilled about it, lilith. Nor your soul mind.
(10:28:45) (lilith) not so sure about that, darlin
(10:29:08) (Lory) :-) see what you mean, lil
(10:29:11) (Host-Roz) now take Bill he's become sainted
(10:29:24) (Cris) :o)
(10:29:35) (Cris) St Bill????
(10:29:37) (Qrious) well.. as for me.. I don't wanna go.. I wanna stick around till jesus shows back up.. like he said he would.
(10:29:41) (Host-Roz) he must be asleep
(10:29:42) (lilith) needs to be to hold this place in check!!! exakl - St. Bill
(10:29:57) (Bill) yes but until i follow the example set for me i'll be coming back
(10:30:20) (Lory) But you try so hard, Bill. Surely........
(10:30:35) (lilith) is it possible that some here, have already fulfilled their destiny & won't have to come back, that this is the last??
(10:30:44) (Qrious) well.. this is the litmus test for me.... if I could walk on water.. then its a good bet... I might have the next ticket out here.. lol
(10:30:46) (Host-Roz) we're trying and sometimes are very trying
(10:30:49) (Bill) just human like everyone else Lory slip every day
(10:31:06) (Anne) she meant see how you are, it is meant as a funny, i know you know
(10:31:37) (Lory) It would take a very old soul, lilith.
(10:31:40) (Bill) Well Q if you could walk on water without a constructive purpose it would be a waste :o)
(10:32:16) (Qrious) it keeps ya from sinking Bill... I'd say thats a perk.. lol
(10:32:17) (lilith) am sure it would, Lory - personally know one I feel has been here JILLIONS of years
(10:32:20) (Cris) I do think there are some completed souls who come back as a living example
(10:32:23) (Bill) Lilth when you meet such a person you'll know it :o)
(10:32:34) (Anne) lory many come to help like Jesus, then just go home job done
(10:32:46) (lilith) see above, Bill
(10:33:48) (Bill) we've all been here many times the ammount of time we come has no bareing on not having to come back
(10:34:15) (Qrious) its the group karma.. that interests me.
(10:35:13) (Anne) we all need to belong to something
(10:35:38) (Cris) We belong here
(10:35:48) (Qrious) purpose... that is the driving factor for me Anne..
(10:35:58) (lilith) believe we are all where we belong at this time, in this way, here
(10:36:11) (Anne) amen
(10:42:56) (mark) Thank you Roz
(10:46:08) (Host-Roz) so glad all could come and be a part of this study
(10:46:17) (Bill) L&L TY Roz
(10:46:38) (Lory) Another peaceful, pleasant and informative chat tonight. Thank you Roz.
(10:46:48) (Host-Roz) yw Lory
(10:47:32) (merri) Thankyou for tonights study Roz, Blessings All
(10:47:42) (Host-Roz) yw Merri
(10:48:16) (Anne) it is always good to be here
(10:48:28) (Host-Roz) good to have you
(10:48:52) (Anne) thank you teacher
(10:49:01) (Host-Roz) yw
