Post by WalksInSpirit on Jul 30, 2006 21:48:15 GMT -5
Secret Of The Book Of Enoch: 07-30-06
(09:40:02) (Host-Roz) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God…feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(09:40:23) (Host-Roz) Amen
(09:40:25) (Cris) Amen
(09:40:26) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:40:28) (Lory) Amen
(09:41:27) (Host-Roz) CHAP. LXI.
(09:44:31) (Host-Roz) 1. Thus the Lord commanded the kings, the princes, the exalted, and those who dwell on earth, saying, Open your eyes, and lift up your horns, if you are capable of comprehending the Elect One.
(09:46:02) (Host-Roz) 2.The Lord of spirits sat upon the throne of his glory 3.And the of righteousness was poured out him.
(09:46:47) (Host-Roz) 4. The word of his mouth shall destroy all the sinners and all the ungodly, who shall perish at his presence.
(09:48:11) (mark) fear of the truth
(09:48:32) (Host-Roz) yup I think so too
(09:48:38) (Host-Roz) 5. In that day shall all the kings, the princes, the exalted, and those who possess the earth, stand up, behold, and perceive, that he is sitting on the throne of his glory; that before him the saints shall be judged in righteousness;
(09:49:25) (Host-Roz) 6. And that nothing, which shall be spoken before him, shall be spoken in vain.
(09:50:02) (Host-Roz) since all things are spoken before him, we are responsible for it all?
(09:50:43) (Host-Roz) 7. Trouble shall come upon them, as upon a woman in travail, whose labour is severe, when her child comes to the mouth of the womb, and she finds it difficult to bring forth.
(09:51:20) (Host-Roz) 8. One portion of them shall look upon another. They shall be astonished, and shall humble their countenance;
(09:51:57) (Host-Roz) 9. And trouble shall seize them, when they shall behold this Son of woman sitting upon the throne of his glory(09:52:49) (Host-Roz) 10. Then shall the kings, the princes, and all who possess the earth, glorify him who has dominion over all things, him who was concealed; for from the beginning the Son of man existed in secret,’ whom the Most High preserved in the presence of his power, and revealed to the elect.
(09:53:21) (Host-Roz) 11. He shall sow the congregation of the saints, and of the elect; and all the elect shall stand before him in that day
(09:53:30) (Host-Roz) what day?
(09:53:39) (Host-Roz) everyday?
(09:54:06) (mark) agree
(09:54:13) (Lory) The day we behold him sitting on the throne?
(09:55:40) (Lory) We know He is there, but we haven't seen it yet.
(09:55:50) (mouse) what day is it then? Roz?
(09:57:52) (Roz) 12. All the kings, the princes, the exalted, and those who rule over the earth, shall fall down on their faces before him, and shall worship him.13. They shall fix their hopes on this Son of man, shall pray to him, and petition him for mercy.
(09:58:06) (Roz) are we looking for justice or mercy?
(09:58:23) (mouse) mercy
(09:58:29) (Lory) Hopefully we are looking for mercy.
(09:58:55) (Roz) yup we need it
(09:59:00) (Roz) 14. Then shall the Lord of spirits hasten to expel them from his presence. Their faces shall be full of confusion, and their faces shall darkness cover.
(09:59:03) (mark) have mercy on me a poor sinner
(09:59:17) (Roz) Amen Mark !!!!
(09:59:41) (Lory) I think it is a sin to call oneself a sinner.
(09:59:46) (Cris) That is all of us Mark
(09:59:58) (Cris) We could do better at times
(10:00:21) (Lory) We are all seeking perfection and He recognizes regardless of where we are in our evolution.
(10:00:34) (Roz) we need to stick together
(10:00:37) (mouse) why do their prayers get refused?
(10:01:18) (Roz) perhaps were self serving prayers?
(10:01:48) (Cris) I don't think they are refused I think the resquest is held until we can handle it6
(10:02:34) (Lynn) Sometimes what is thought of as a refused request is simply an invitation to earn it.
(10:02:38) (Roz) good thinking Cris
(10:03:37) (Cris) I'm glad some prayers weren't given instant gratification when I was too inexperienced to understand the full value of them
(10:03:41) (Roz) The angels shall take them to punishment that vengeance may be inflicted on those who have oppressed his children and his elect. And they shall become an example to the saints and to his elect. Through them shall these be made joyful for the anger of the Lord of spirits shall rest upon them
(10:03:57) (Roz) me too Cris
(10:04:01) (Lory) Great thought, Cris.
(10:04:38) (Lynn) That´s why I requested a censor, Chris.
(10:05:25) (Lynn) that´s why God put in the safety, ´´according to His will.´´
(10:05:35) (Roz) 15.Then the sword of the Lord of spirits shall be drunk with their blood; but the saints and elect shall be safe in that day; nor the face of the sinners and the ungodly shall they thence ford behold.
(10:06:26) (Roz) 16.The Lord of spirits shall remain over them: 17.And with this Son of man shall they dwell, eat, lie down, and rise up, for ever and ever
(10:06:43) (Roz) what a comfort
(10:07:28) (Roz) 18. The saints and the elect have arisen from the earth have left off to depress their countenances, and have been clothed with the garment of life. That garment of life is with the Lord of spirits, in whose presence your garment shall not wax old, nor shall your glory diminish.
(10:08:13) (mouse) what chapter are we in ?
(10:09:13) (Roz) now starting chapter 62
(10:09:20) (mouse) ty
(10:09:23) (Roz) In those days the kings who possess the earth shall be punished by the angels of his wrath, wheresoever they shall be delivered up, that he may give rest for a short period and that they may fall down and worship before the Lord spirits, confessing their sins before him.In those days the kings who possess the earth shall be punished by the angels of his wrath, wheresoever they shall be delivered up, that he may give rest for a short period
(10:09:59) (Roz) doesn t make ya want kingship does it?
(10:10:09) (mark) no thank you
(10:10:43) (Lynn) question,
(10:10:48) (Lory) I suppose that applies to those who THINK they are a king too?
(10:10:57) (Roz) sure
(10:11:06) (Roz) betcha Lory
(10:11:07) (Lynn) ok,
(10:11:28) (Lynn) It says that they may fall down and worship before the Lord confessing their sins before him.
(10:11:32) (Lynn) The Bible says,
(10:11:40) (Roz) king of the hill?
(10:11:44) (Lynn) Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
(10:11:46) (mark) as in big ego's
(10:11:46) (Lynn) So the
(10:11:54) (Lynn) so they get saved. LOL
(10:12:02) (Roz) yahh Mark
(10:12:38) (Lynn) I want to be Gods herd dog and get them in.
(10:12:58) (mark) LOL Lynn
(10:13:20) (Lory) That doesn't seem very fair, Lynn, when all the rest of us worked to earn His mercy.
(10:13:32) (Roz) 3. He shall enlighten every secret thing. 4.Thy power is from generation to generation and thy glory for ever and ever. 5.Deep are all thy secrets, and numberless; thy righteousness cannot be computed.
(10:13:39) (Lynn) are you the elder sister
(10:13:48) (Lynn) of the prodigal son. love you
(10:14:46) (Lory) No, Lynn, I am no ones elder sister, just making conversation.
(10:15:13) (Lynn) ok, Lory. I just can not find joy in suffereing for anyone. I admire and love you.
(10:15:15) (Roz) 6. Now we know, that we should glorify and bless the Lord of kings, him who is King over all things.7. They shall also say, “Who has granted us rest to glorify, laud, bless, and confess in the presence of his glory?”
(10:15:44) (Lynn) So sounds like the kings learned and they get in also.
(10:15:48) (Roz) we are in Chapter 62
(10:16:26) (Lory) I am not joyful for their suffering, Lynn. I truly empathize.
(10:16:34) (Roz) 8. And now small is the rest we desire; but we do not find it; we reject, and do not possess it. Light has passed away from before us; and darkness has covered our thrones for ever.
(10:16:45) (Roz) dark night of the soul?
(10:16:53) (Lynn) thank you. I truly will work. I will turn my back on heaven, until ALL enter in.
(10:17:40) (Roz) 9. For we have not confessed before him; we have not glorified the name of the Lord of kings; we have not glorified the Lord in all his works; but we have trusted in the sceptre of our dominion and of our glory.
(10:18:03) (Roz) ye Olde Ego?
(10:18:30) (Lory) We make our own heaven right here on earth, Lynn.
(10:18:35) (Lynn) Have you heard of bodhisittvas. I am not worthy but God will make me worthy.
(10:18:41) (mark) let go of my egg'o
(10:18:45) (Lory) And I shall hold any further conversation until this study is over.
(10:18:57) (Lynn) and I also.
(10:20:01) (Roz) dont do that we need everyone's input
(10:20:07) (Roz) 10. In the day of our suffering and of our trouble he will not save us, neither shall we find rest. Weconfess that our Lord is faithful in all his works, in all his judgments, and in his righteousness
(10:21:13) (Roz) 11. In his judgments he pays no respect to persons; and we must depart from his presence, on account of our evil deeds.12. All our sins are truly without number.
(10:22:30) (Roz) 13. Then shall they say to themselves, Our souls are satiated with the instruments of crime; 14. But that prevents us not from descending to the flaming womb of hell.
(10:23:26) (Roz) 15. Afterwards, their countenances shall be filled with darkness and confusion before the Son of man; from whose presence they shall be expelled, and before whom the sword shall remain to expel them.
(10:24:23) (Roz) we cannot bear the Light of His Presence in light of our confusion?
(10:25:08) (Roz) 16. Thus saith the Lord of spirits, This is the decree and the judgment against the princes, the kings, the exalted, and those who possess the earth, in the presence of the Lord of spirits.
(10:25:36) (Wanda) Enoch makes God seem very scarry
(10:25:36) (Roz) Chapter 63 is a very short one
(10:26:22) (Lory) He sounds like a theologian doesn't he WalksInSpirit?
(10:26:34) (WalksInSpirit) ;-)
(10:26:45) (Roz) yes Wanda
(10:26:51) (Roz) 1. I saw also other countenances in that secret place. I heard the voice of an angel, saying, These are the angels who have descended from heaven to earth, and have revealed secrets to the sons of men, and have seduced the sons of men to the commission of sin.
(10:27:39) (mark) the fall?
(10:27:46) (Lory) Even when I was a child, I could never believe that God would punish me, if He was a loving God.
(10:28:29) (Roz) yes Mark next chapter deals w/ Noah
(10:28:55) (Roz) dont we punish ourselves when we fall short
(10:29:03) (Bill) God has no need to punish we punish ourselves by not abiding within the laws he has set in place
(10:29:17) (Roz) exackle Bill
(10:29:40) (Lory) Indeed we do punish ourselves, but I had to mature to adulthood before I realized it.
(10:30:12) (Roz) we will start chapter 64 next wk
(10:30:29) (Lory) Thank you Roz.
(10:30:39) (Roz) perhaps its merciful to not realize it until then Lory?
(10:30:42) (Cris) Thanks Roz
(10:30:55) (Roz) you are so welcome
(10:30:59) (Lory) Agreed, Roz.
(10:31:09) (Wanda) Thank you Roz
(10:31:14) (WalksInSpirit) Great study, Roz! Thank you!
(10:31:46) (mark) i thank you also
(10:42:03) (Roz) thanks all for coming
(10:42:18) (Roz) open chat now
(10:46:24) (Roz) Thank God for a cohesive group tonite
(10:46:56) (Lory) I second that Thank God. And goodnight all, Sweet Dreams, LOVE to all.
(09:40:23) (Host-Roz) Amen
(09:40:25) (Cris) Amen
(09:40:26) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:40:28) (Lory) Amen
(09:41:27) (Host-Roz) CHAP. LXI.
(09:44:31) (Host-Roz) 1. Thus the Lord commanded the kings, the princes, the exalted, and those who dwell on earth, saying, Open your eyes, and lift up your horns, if you are capable of comprehending the Elect One.
(09:46:02) (Host-Roz) 2.The Lord of spirits sat upon the throne of his glory 3.And the of righteousness was poured out him.
(09:46:47) (Host-Roz) 4. The word of his mouth shall destroy all the sinners and all the ungodly, who shall perish at his presence.
(09:48:11) (mark) fear of the truth
(09:48:32) (Host-Roz) yup I think so too
(09:48:38) (Host-Roz) 5. In that day shall all the kings, the princes, the exalted, and those who possess the earth, stand up, behold, and perceive, that he is sitting on the throne of his glory; that before him the saints shall be judged in righteousness;
(09:49:25) (Host-Roz) 6. And that nothing, which shall be spoken before him, shall be spoken in vain.
(09:50:02) (Host-Roz) since all things are spoken before him, we are responsible for it all?
(09:50:43) (Host-Roz) 7. Trouble shall come upon them, as upon a woman in travail, whose labour is severe, when her child comes to the mouth of the womb, and she finds it difficult to bring forth.
(09:51:20) (Host-Roz) 8. One portion of them shall look upon another. They shall be astonished, and shall humble their countenance;
(09:51:57) (Host-Roz) 9. And trouble shall seize them, when they shall behold this Son of woman sitting upon the throne of his glory(09:52:49) (Host-Roz) 10. Then shall the kings, the princes, and all who possess the earth, glorify him who has dominion over all things, him who was concealed; for from the beginning the Son of man existed in secret,’ whom the Most High preserved in the presence of his power, and revealed to the elect.
(09:53:21) (Host-Roz) 11. He shall sow the congregation of the saints, and of the elect; and all the elect shall stand before him in that day
(09:53:30) (Host-Roz) what day?
(09:53:39) (Host-Roz) everyday?
(09:54:06) (mark) agree
(09:54:13) (Lory) The day we behold him sitting on the throne?
(09:55:40) (Lory) We know He is there, but we haven't seen it yet.
(09:55:50) (mouse) what day is it then? Roz?
(09:57:52) (Roz) 12. All the kings, the princes, the exalted, and those who rule over the earth, shall fall down on their faces before him, and shall worship him.13. They shall fix their hopes on this Son of man, shall pray to him, and petition him for mercy.
(09:58:06) (Roz) are we looking for justice or mercy?
(09:58:23) (mouse) mercy
(09:58:29) (Lory) Hopefully we are looking for mercy.
(09:58:55) (Roz) yup we need it
(09:59:00) (Roz) 14. Then shall the Lord of spirits hasten to expel them from his presence. Their faces shall be full of confusion, and their faces shall darkness cover.
(09:59:03) (mark) have mercy on me a poor sinner
(09:59:17) (Roz) Amen Mark !!!!
(09:59:41) (Lory) I think it is a sin to call oneself a sinner.
(09:59:46) (Cris) That is all of us Mark
(09:59:58) (Cris) We could do better at times
(10:00:21) (Lory) We are all seeking perfection and He recognizes regardless of where we are in our evolution.
(10:00:34) (Roz) we need to stick together
(10:00:37) (mouse) why do their prayers get refused?
(10:01:18) (Roz) perhaps were self serving prayers?
(10:01:48) (Cris) I don't think they are refused I think the resquest is held until we can handle it6
(10:02:34) (Lynn) Sometimes what is thought of as a refused request is simply an invitation to earn it.
(10:02:38) (Roz) good thinking Cris
(10:03:37) (Cris) I'm glad some prayers weren't given instant gratification when I was too inexperienced to understand the full value of them
(10:03:41) (Roz) The angels shall take them to punishment that vengeance may be inflicted on those who have oppressed his children and his elect. And they shall become an example to the saints and to his elect. Through them shall these be made joyful for the anger of the Lord of spirits shall rest upon them
(10:03:57) (Roz) me too Cris
(10:04:01) (Lory) Great thought, Cris.
(10:04:38) (Lynn) That´s why I requested a censor, Chris.
(10:05:25) (Lynn) that´s why God put in the safety, ´´according to His will.´´
(10:05:35) (Roz) 15.Then the sword of the Lord of spirits shall be drunk with their blood; but the saints and elect shall be safe in that day; nor the face of the sinners and the ungodly shall they thence ford behold.
(10:06:26) (Roz) 16.The Lord of spirits shall remain over them: 17.And with this Son of man shall they dwell, eat, lie down, and rise up, for ever and ever
(10:06:43) (Roz) what a comfort
(10:07:28) (Roz) 18. The saints and the elect have arisen from the earth have left off to depress their countenances, and have been clothed with the garment of life. That garment of life is with the Lord of spirits, in whose presence your garment shall not wax old, nor shall your glory diminish.
(10:08:13) (mouse) what chapter are we in ?
(10:09:13) (Roz) now starting chapter 62
(10:09:20) (mouse) ty
(10:09:23) (Roz) In those days the kings who possess the earth shall be punished by the angels of his wrath, wheresoever they shall be delivered up, that he may give rest for a short period and that they may fall down and worship before the Lord spirits, confessing their sins before him.In those days the kings who possess the earth shall be punished by the angels of his wrath, wheresoever they shall be delivered up, that he may give rest for a short period
(10:09:59) (Roz) doesn t make ya want kingship does it?
(10:10:09) (mark) no thank you
(10:10:43) (Lynn) question,
(10:10:48) (Lory) I suppose that applies to those who THINK they are a king too?
(10:10:57) (Roz) sure
(10:11:06) (Roz) betcha Lory
(10:11:07) (Lynn) ok,
(10:11:28) (Lynn) It says that they may fall down and worship before the Lord confessing their sins before him.
(10:11:32) (Lynn) The Bible says,
(10:11:40) (Roz) king of the hill?
(10:11:44) (Lynn) Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
(10:11:46) (mark) as in big ego's
(10:11:46) (Lynn) So the
(10:11:54) (Lynn) so they get saved. LOL
(10:12:02) (Roz) yahh Mark
(10:12:38) (Lynn) I want to be Gods herd dog and get them in.
(10:12:58) (mark) LOL Lynn
(10:13:20) (Lory) That doesn't seem very fair, Lynn, when all the rest of us worked to earn His mercy.
(10:13:32) (Roz) 3. He shall enlighten every secret thing. 4.Thy power is from generation to generation and thy glory for ever and ever. 5.Deep are all thy secrets, and numberless; thy righteousness cannot be computed.
(10:13:39) (Lynn) are you the elder sister
(10:13:48) (Lynn) of the prodigal son. love you
(10:14:46) (Lory) No, Lynn, I am no ones elder sister, just making conversation.
(10:15:13) (Lynn) ok, Lory. I just can not find joy in suffereing for anyone. I admire and love you.
(10:15:15) (Roz) 6. Now we know, that we should glorify and bless the Lord of kings, him who is King over all things.7. They shall also say, “Who has granted us rest to glorify, laud, bless, and confess in the presence of his glory?”
(10:15:44) (Lynn) So sounds like the kings learned and they get in also.
(10:15:48) (Roz) we are in Chapter 62
(10:16:26) (Lory) I am not joyful for their suffering, Lynn. I truly empathize.
(10:16:34) (Roz) 8. And now small is the rest we desire; but we do not find it; we reject, and do not possess it. Light has passed away from before us; and darkness has covered our thrones for ever.
(10:16:45) (Roz) dark night of the soul?
(10:16:53) (Lynn) thank you. I truly will work. I will turn my back on heaven, until ALL enter in.
(10:17:40) (Roz) 9. For we have not confessed before him; we have not glorified the name of the Lord of kings; we have not glorified the Lord in all his works; but we have trusted in the sceptre of our dominion and of our glory.
(10:18:03) (Roz) ye Olde Ego?
(10:18:30) (Lory) We make our own heaven right here on earth, Lynn.
(10:18:35) (Lynn) Have you heard of bodhisittvas. I am not worthy but God will make me worthy.
(10:18:41) (mark) let go of my egg'o
(10:18:45) (Lory) And I shall hold any further conversation until this study is over.
(10:18:57) (Lynn) and I also.
(10:20:01) (Roz) dont do that we need everyone's input
(10:20:07) (Roz) 10. In the day of our suffering and of our trouble he will not save us, neither shall we find rest. Weconfess that our Lord is faithful in all his works, in all his judgments, and in his righteousness
(10:21:13) (Roz) 11. In his judgments he pays no respect to persons; and we must depart from his presence, on account of our evil deeds.12. All our sins are truly without number.
(10:22:30) (Roz) 13. Then shall they say to themselves, Our souls are satiated with the instruments of crime; 14. But that prevents us not from descending to the flaming womb of hell.
(10:23:26) (Roz) 15. Afterwards, their countenances shall be filled with darkness and confusion before the Son of man; from whose presence they shall be expelled, and before whom the sword shall remain to expel them.
(10:24:23) (Roz) we cannot bear the Light of His Presence in light of our confusion?
(10:25:08) (Roz) 16. Thus saith the Lord of spirits, This is the decree and the judgment against the princes, the kings, the exalted, and those who possess the earth, in the presence of the Lord of spirits.
(10:25:36) (Wanda) Enoch makes God seem very scarry
(10:25:36) (Roz) Chapter 63 is a very short one
(10:26:22) (Lory) He sounds like a theologian doesn't he WalksInSpirit?
(10:26:34) (WalksInSpirit) ;-)
(10:26:45) (Roz) yes Wanda
(10:26:51) (Roz) 1. I saw also other countenances in that secret place. I heard the voice of an angel, saying, These are the angels who have descended from heaven to earth, and have revealed secrets to the sons of men, and have seduced the sons of men to the commission of sin.
(10:27:39) (mark) the fall?
(10:27:46) (Lory) Even when I was a child, I could never believe that God would punish me, if He was a loving God.
(10:28:29) (Roz) yes Mark next chapter deals w/ Noah
(10:28:55) (Roz) dont we punish ourselves when we fall short
(10:29:03) (Bill) God has no need to punish we punish ourselves by not abiding within the laws he has set in place
(10:29:17) (Roz) exackle Bill
(10:29:40) (Lory) Indeed we do punish ourselves, but I had to mature to adulthood before I realized it.
(10:30:12) (Roz) we will start chapter 64 next wk
(10:30:29) (Lory) Thank you Roz.
(10:30:39) (Roz) perhaps its merciful to not realize it until then Lory?
(10:30:42) (Cris) Thanks Roz
(10:30:55) (Roz) you are so welcome
(10:30:59) (Lory) Agreed, Roz.
(10:31:09) (Wanda) Thank you Roz
(10:31:14) (WalksInSpirit) Great study, Roz! Thank you!
(10:31:46) (mark) i thank you also
(10:42:03) (Roz) thanks all for coming
(10:42:18) (Roz) open chat now
(10:46:24) (Roz) Thank God for a cohesive group tonite
(10:46:56) (Lory) I second that Thank God. And goodnight all, Sweet Dreams, LOVE to all.