Post by WalksInSpirit on Oct 22, 2006 21:29:21 GMT -5
Secret Of The Book Of Enoch: 10-22-06
(09:08:06) (Host-Roz) of course as Jesus he was in touch with all facets
(09:08:51) (Host-Roz) and his precognition was so acute
(09:09:20) (Host-Roz) poses a query about predestination
(09:09:45) (Host-Roz) what do ya think?
(09:09:48) (Qrious) the part in psalms.. written by Asaph was interesting... leaning on the part.. that Jesus would teach in parables.. I thought interesting.
(09:10:18) (Host-Roz) much could be an allagory
(09:11:02) (Qrious) well.. as for the pre-destined stuff... the angels released in Revelation is spoken about as having been pre-destined for a particular purpose.. so.. I guess yah.
(09:11:09) (Host-Roz) we're talking about predestination
(09:11:56) (Qrious) and the people being chosen from the beginings as well.. the elect.. . that is.
(09:12:06) (Host-Roz) since Enoch was able to presee so many things about the history of the Hebrew people
(09:12:58) (Host-Roz) but the chosen ones are those who choose to serve?
(09:13:27) (Qrious) well... pre-destiny.. does make a mess of the idea of free-will to me... but I guess I will just wait it out.
(09:13:49) (Qrious) chosen before the foundation of the world is how it is written Roz.
(09:13:54) (Host-Roz) ya kinda counter productive isnt it
(09:14:02) (Qrious) yep.
(09:14:08) (Host-Roz) exackle Qrious
(09:14:49) (Host-Roz) do we have free will in a circumscribed context?
(09:15:02) (ernie) depends on what you mean
(09:15:39) (ernie) about countere productive depending on original perpouse we may not realise
(09:15:40) (Host-Roz) well since Enoch was shown very clearly so many things tha t happened
(09:15:59) (Host-Roz) in all likelyhood ernie
(09:16:12) (ernie) ok,
(09:16:46) (Host-Roz) now how about the things that we presee?
(09:17:13) (Host-Roz) oftten wehhave precognitive info
(09:17:21) (mark) wan't Enoch and Hermes the same person?
(09:17:44) (Host-Roz) dont think so Mark
(09:17:44) (WalksInSpirit) Some think so, Mark
(09:17:51) (ernie) if you where to looked at the earth from some far out place it was simple 100 years ago but if you look at it from the same far out place now the earth is radio active with all our activities
(09:17:59) (Host-Roz) and we often have precognitive dreams
(09:18:41) (Host-Roz) could be Wis
(09:18:51) (ernie) but i think that human thought and emotion is also a kind of inductive power sorce
(09:19:02) (ernie) si
(09:19:07) (Host-Roz) we are talking about predestination
(09:19:23) (WalksInSpirit) I think I sent you an ARE Ancient Mysteries article that deals with that, didn't I, Mark?
(09:19:40) (mark) yes Walks
(09:20:06) (Host-Roz) in tha Enoch was able to presee s o many things of the history of the Hebrews
(09:20:09) (mark) i meant same person same time frame
(09:20:20) (WalksInSpirit) Ok, I couldn't remember if I sent it or not!
(09:20:59) (Host-Roz) Enoch lived on earth in the Atlantean period
(09:21:26) (Host-Roz) Hermes was later?
(09:22:23) (mark) the greeks knew him as hermes,..the hebrews as Enoch
(09:22:41) (mark) i think
(09:23:02) (WalksInSpirit) Yeah, it may have been one of those cases like Iltar and Quetzalcoatl.
(09:23:05) (Host-Roz) hey that makes sense Mark
(09:23:21) (mark) :-)
(09:23:39) (WalksInSpirit) They were the same person, but in Atlantis, he was known as Iltar. But in Central America, he was known as Quetzalcoatl.
(09:23:56) (Host-Roz) okie
(09:24:03) (WalksInSpirit) Makes for headaches when trying to research! LOL
(09:24:14) (Host-Roz) but was it the same time period?
(09:24:17) (WalksInSpirit) Yep
(09:25:49) (Host-Roz) how was the legend recorded about Iltar?
(09:26:08) (Host-Roz) is it in Cayce?
(09:26:09) (mark) but there's one thing the Hebrews as a race came much later
(09:26:11) (WalksInSpirit) Iltar is talked about all through the Cayce readings.
(09:26:23) (Host-Roz) oh okie
(09:26:39) (WalksInSpirit) Cayce says he came to Central America and was then known as Qutezalcoatl.
(09:27:03) (WalksInSpirit) That's how I got 'em figured out finally!
(09:27:11) (Host-Roz) yah Mark which makes a big difference several thousand years
(09:27:19) (mark) yes
(09:28:16) (mark) wonder if he resaw us talking about all this
(09:28:37) (Host-Roz) aand several instances in which there are similiarities as the downfall of Atlantis making beasts in to slaves
(09:28:53) (Host-Roz) and the men of Sodom
(09:34:16) (Host-Roz) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God…feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(09:34:21) (ernie) front and center here
(09:34:26) (Host-Roz) Amen
(09:34:29) (Cris) Amen
(09:34:37) (merri) Amen
(09:34:42) (Qrious) ameni
(09:34:46) (Bill) Amen
(09:34:47) (ernie) Amen
(09:34:55) (Lory) Amen
(09:35:55) (Cheryl) Amen
(09:36:06) (Host-Roz) thost we'd back up a bit and talk a bit about the downfall of Atlantis for making sub human species outside the bounds set up By God and the subhumans manifesting in Sodom
(09:37:34) (Host-Roz) 12, Abram dwelt in the land of Canaan, and lot dwelt in the villages of the plain, thus possessing the land as far as Sodom.(Sodom means consuming.)
(09:38:14) (Host-Roz) 13. now the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners in the presence of the lord exceedingly.
(09:39:06) (Host-Roz) The men of Sodom who were wicked and sinners were those who misused the reproductive power to produce beings who were not in accord with the pattern shown for mans evolvement. The men of Sodom sought to use the reproductive process to turn beasts into sub— humans. This state of manifestation causes the one producing and the one produced to become a unit outside the law of the universe. This misuse- the draining off the power -left a subhuman cu1ture.The
(09:39:46) (Host-Roz) feel free to jump in at any time
(09:40:12) (mark) it cut off,...a subhuman cu1ture.The
(09:40:14) (Bill) This misuse- the draining off the power -left a subhuman cu1ture.The ???
(09:40:29) (Lory) These subhumans were Sons of God, were they not.?
(09:40:56) (Host-Roz) well Lory they were outside the metes and bounds set up
(09:41:14) (Lory) But free will that God gave them was misused...
(09:41:23) (Host-Roz) left a subhuman cu1ture.The manifestation of this misdirected energy reproduced itself, to the end that it must of itself produce the seeds of its destruction. Sodomy is classed today as unlawful, the seeds of the action of misdirected use of the reproductive power, as in Sodom.
(09:42:26) (Host-Roz) was this not what Atntlanteans did tha brot about their downfall
(09:42:42) (Lory) Yes, it was.
(09:42:45) (mark) yes
(09:43:04) (Host-Roz) did they have souls?
(09:43:17) (mark) i think so
(09:43:27) (Lory) They must have, they were sons of God.
(09:43:36) (Host-Roz) were they created in th e image of God? oo of man?
(09:43:52) (Host-Roz) or of man?
(09:43:58) (Qrious) well Lory.. the in Genesis.. read the part that says.. There were Nephilim in the earth in those days(i.e. Noahs... ; and also After That.... when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men.... after that is the catch phrase.
(09:43:58) (Lory) Image of man had not yet been created.
(09:44:02) (merri) they were thought projections not souls?
(09:44:15) (Host-Roz) yes Merri
(09:44:50) (Bill) is was souls that created the thought projections
(09:44:51) (Lory) Amilius and Noah were part of the Atlantean era.
(09:45:12) (Sophia) it is said Goddess camed first then her twin was created God ... why do we always refer to Creator as male ... would Creator be imbalanced ... sad that the Divine feminie has been so forgotten
(09:45:19) (Cheryl) Also mixing between fish & man or bull & ape. Making mixed species w/ feathter, scale or whatever.
(09:45:29) (Sophia) Creator is both female and male
(09:45:35) (Host-Roz) 3 devour their flesh. And the sheep cried out because their flesh was being devoured by the birds
(09:46:06) (Lory) Habit, Sophia. You are right.
(09:46:26) (Host-Roz) now was their ( Gods)creation being devoured by this manifestation
(09:47:29) (Host-Roz) 4 and as for me I looked and lamented in my sleep over that shepherd who pastured the sheep. And I saw until those sheep were devoured by the dogs and eagles and kites, and they left neither flesh nor skin nor sinew remaining on them till only their bones stood there: and their bones too fell
(09:49:07) (Host-Roz) 5 to the earth and the sheep became few. And I saw until that twenty-three had undertaken the pasturing and completed in their several periods fifty-eight times.
(09:49:30) (Host-Roz) any thots about his one I couldnt come up any
(09:50:58) (Host-Roz) 6 But behold lambs were borne by those white sheep, and they began to open their eyes and to see, 7 and to cry to the sheep. Yea, they cried to them, but they did not hearken to what they said to
(09:52:06) (Host-Roz) 8 them, but were exceedingly deaf, and their eyes were very exceedingly blinded. and i saw in the vision how the ravens flew upon those lambs and took one of those lambs, and dashed the sheep
(09:52:53) (Host-Roz) Ravens (Crows) are Seleucids (Syrians)
(09:53:25) (Host-Roz) Ravens also are a symbol of Arabs
(09:54:33) (Host-Roz) 9 in pieces and devoured them. And I saw till horns grew upon those lambs, and the ravens cast down their horns; and I saw till there sprouted a great horn of one of those sheep, and their eyes (Abraham telling that Sarah is his sister)
(09:55:27) (Host-Roz) 10 were opened. And it looked at them [and their eyes opened], and it cried to the sheep, and the
(09:55:59) (Host-Roz) and recalled he was found out because they saw it in a dream
(09:56:59) (Host-Roz) 11 rams saw it and all ran to it. And notwithstanding all this those eagles and vultures and ravens and kites still kept tearing the sheep and swooping down upon them and devouring them: still the sheep remained silent, but the rams lamented and cried out. And those ravens fought and battled with it and sought to lay low its horn, but they had no power over it. All the eagles and vultures and ravens and kites were gathered together, and there came with t
(09:58:46) (Host-Roz) also the birth of Ishmael by
(09:59:05) (Host-Roz) Sarahs handmaiden Hagar
(09:59:52) (Host-Roz) 19 And I saw till a great sword was given to the sheep, and the sheep proceeded against all the beasts of the field to slay them, and all the beasts and the birds of the heaven fled before their face. And I saw that man, who wrote the book according to the command of the Lord, till he opened that book concerning the destruction which those twelve( tribes) last shepherds had wrought,
(10:01:08) (Host-Roz) and showed that they had destroyed much more than their predecessors, before the Lord of the sheep. And I saw till the Lord of the sheep came unto them and took in His hand the staff of His wrath, and smote the earth, and the earth clave asunder, and all the beasts and all the birds of the heaven fell from among those sheep, and were swallowed up in the earth and it covered them.
(10:01:32) (Host-Roz) destruction of Sodom
(10:02:34) (Lory) I was under the impression that Sodom was destroyed after Adam, not during the Atlantean era.
(10:03:07) (Host-Roz) it was in the Hebrew History not Atlantis
(10:03:18) (Lory) OK
(10:03:24) (Host-Roz) Enoch was precognitive
(10:03:45) (Host-Roz) thats why we were discussing predestination
(10:04:06) (Host-Roz) was it predestined?
(10:04:31) (Qrious) sounds more like Revelation.... Jesus with the rod.. that smites the potsherds.. and when he shows up on the 7th trump.. the earth is cleaved asunder... the separation of the tares and wheat.. or good fish and bad ones.. during the harvest when he has the sickle in hand with the other angels.. stuff like that.
(10:04:40) (Lory) It certainly appears to be.
(10:04:48) (Host-Roz) or was he able even at that stage to presee
(10:04:51) (Cris) Those souls had free will
(10:05:02) (Cris) They could choose right or wrong
(10:05:23) (Host-Roz) evidently not the sub humans created by thot forms
(10:05:37) (Host-Roz) 20 And I saw till a throne was erected in the pleasant land, and the Lord of the sheep sat Himself thereon, and the other took the sealed books and opened those books before the Lord of the sheep (Akashic Record)
(10:05:51) (Qrious) oh yah.. the birds of the air will eat the flesh of man also.. forgot that one.
(10:06:43) (Host-Roz) 21 And the Lord called those men the seven first white ones, and commanded that they should bring before Him, beginning with the first star, which led the way, all the stars whose privy members.
(10:07:33) (Host-Roz) (The stars are symbols of the many companions of these two, the souls that came in with them and that held the same ideal and purpose, to seek those who had for gotten God, and to rebuild harmony, system and balance into the deve1oping solar system.)
(10:08:55) (Host-Roz) 22 were like those of horses, and they brought them all before Him. And He said to that man who wrote before Him, being one of those seven white ones, and said unto him: ' Take those seventy shepherds to whom I delivered the sheep, and who taking them on their own authority slew more (horses-Chakras, our connection to the Spirit Body)
(10:09:28) (Host-Roz) 70 disciples
(10:09:54) (Host-Roz) any questions or comments?
(10:10:34) (Host-Roz) we'll stop there for this evening .... this is very heady stuff
(10:13:19) (Host-Roz) Bless all for coming and your participation
(10:13:40) (merri) TY Roz for tonights lesson
(10:13:40) (Cris) Thanks for the lesson Roz
(10:13:50) (Host-Roz) it is now open chat
(10:13:52) (WalksInSpirit) Great chat tonight, Roz! Thank you!
(10:13:59) (Cheryl) Thanks Host-Roz for another fine evening
(10:14:19) (merri) have a question
(10:14:23) (mark) blessings Roz and thanks
(10:14:26) (Roz) glad you came Cris and thanks Wis
(10:14:28) (Lory) It is startling to realize and remember that we are some of those individuals and subhumans you are speaking of Roz.
(10:14:35) (Roz) ty Cheryl
(10:14:50) (ernie) yes Roz great and intresting class
(10:15:11) (merri) If God is Love, how can He be portrayed as a Wrathful God?
(10:15:13) (Roz) no we arent Lory they did not survive or procreate
(10:16:04) (Lory) Then why is it important for us to know about it? It seems almost impossible.
(10:16:05) (Roz) I think it is man's perception of wrathfulness not God's
(10:16:30) (Roz) so we are not tempted to do likewise Lory
(10:16:48) (Roz) thots are things
(10:17:14) (Lory) But there are humans in the world who are nearly as bad today.
(10:17:34) (merri) so are we attributing the image of wrathfulness to God ?
(10:17:37) (mark) and controlled
(10:17:39) (Roz) seemingly Lory I agree
(10:17:45) (Lory) We are destroying our own world.
(10:18:02) (merri) we did it before Lory
(10:18:05) (mark) not us our leaders
(10:18:07) (ernie) sad
(10:18:08) (Qrious) I wouldn't know Roz... Jesus did say.. you are of your father Satan...to the Pharisee's... and they did infiltrate the Levitical priesthood during Nehemiah's time period.
(10:18:34) (Roz) I thnk we we look on some things as the Wrath of God, it is our own perception
(10:19:22) (Qrious) well.. during the harvest for the winepress of the Wrath of God... hmm... I wonder.
(10:20:10) (Qrious) the vials/bowls... have to be filled before it can be poured unto us.. wouldn't it?
(10:20:12) (Roz) all things are for our understanding?
(10:21:03) (merri) confusing with things contradict one another Roz
(10:21:41) (Roz) I agree Merri makes us study and think
(10:22:07) (Roz) and trust
(10:22:28) (merri) LOL we will all become philosophers!!
(10:22:37) (Lory) Does the author of this book Enoch quote any of Cayce material from the Akashic records? Roz
(10:22:38) (ernie) thats what im talking about i think thinking is some sorce of power
(10:23:09) (Lory) Sure it is ernie
(10:23:14) (Roz) exackle and be fit to commicante and be a fit companion with God
(10:24:05) (Roz) author of this book no but Cayce has material germaine to it
(10:24:17) (Lory) The movie "conversations with God" opened up this week. I saw it and recommend it highly.
(10:24:25) (ernie) some great greek once said a man with a secsesfull marriage is just a man one with a failed one is a philosopher
(10:24:41) (Roz) the book is on tape also Lory
(10:24:45) (merri) LOL ernie
(10:24:51) (ernie) lol
(10:24:52) (Qrious) Socrates
(10:25:00) (ernie) so i must be super
(10:25:04) (ernie) duper
(10:25:05) (ernie) lol
(10:25:15) (ernie) i think Q
(10:25:22) (Roz) goes with out saying ernie
(10:25:29) (ernie) lol
(10:27:10) (Qrious) Aloha all. thanks for the class Roz.
(10:27:18) (Roz) God's Richest Blessing
(09:08:51) (Host-Roz) and his precognition was so acute
(09:09:20) (Host-Roz) poses a query about predestination
(09:09:45) (Host-Roz) what do ya think?
(09:09:48) (Qrious) the part in psalms.. written by Asaph was interesting... leaning on the part.. that Jesus would teach in parables.. I thought interesting.
(09:10:18) (Host-Roz) much could be an allagory
(09:11:02) (Qrious) well.. as for the pre-destined stuff... the angels released in Revelation is spoken about as having been pre-destined for a particular purpose.. so.. I guess yah.
(09:11:09) (Host-Roz) we're talking about predestination
(09:11:56) (Qrious) and the people being chosen from the beginings as well.. the elect.. . that is.
(09:12:06) (Host-Roz) since Enoch was able to presee so many things about the history of the Hebrew people
(09:12:58) (Host-Roz) but the chosen ones are those who choose to serve?
(09:13:27) (Qrious) well... pre-destiny.. does make a mess of the idea of free-will to me... but I guess I will just wait it out.
(09:13:49) (Qrious) chosen before the foundation of the world is how it is written Roz.
(09:13:54) (Host-Roz) ya kinda counter productive isnt it
(09:14:02) (Qrious) yep.
(09:14:08) (Host-Roz) exackle Qrious
(09:14:49) (Host-Roz) do we have free will in a circumscribed context?
(09:15:02) (ernie) depends on what you mean
(09:15:39) (ernie) about countere productive depending on original perpouse we may not realise
(09:15:40) (Host-Roz) well since Enoch was shown very clearly so many things tha t happened
(09:15:59) (Host-Roz) in all likelyhood ernie
(09:16:12) (ernie) ok,
(09:16:46) (Host-Roz) now how about the things that we presee?
(09:17:13) (Host-Roz) oftten wehhave precognitive info
(09:17:21) (mark) wan't Enoch and Hermes the same person?
(09:17:44) (Host-Roz) dont think so Mark
(09:17:44) (WalksInSpirit) Some think so, Mark
(09:17:51) (ernie) if you where to looked at the earth from some far out place it was simple 100 years ago but if you look at it from the same far out place now the earth is radio active with all our activities
(09:17:59) (Host-Roz) and we often have precognitive dreams
(09:18:41) (Host-Roz) could be Wis
(09:18:51) (ernie) but i think that human thought and emotion is also a kind of inductive power sorce
(09:19:02) (ernie) si
(09:19:07) (Host-Roz) we are talking about predestination
(09:19:23) (WalksInSpirit) I think I sent you an ARE Ancient Mysteries article that deals with that, didn't I, Mark?
(09:19:40) (mark) yes Walks
(09:20:06) (Host-Roz) in tha Enoch was able to presee s o many things of the history of the Hebrews
(09:20:09) (mark) i meant same person same time frame
(09:20:20) (WalksInSpirit) Ok, I couldn't remember if I sent it or not!
(09:20:59) (Host-Roz) Enoch lived on earth in the Atlantean period
(09:21:26) (Host-Roz) Hermes was later?
(09:22:23) (mark) the greeks knew him as hermes,..the hebrews as Enoch
(09:22:41) (mark) i think
(09:23:02) (WalksInSpirit) Yeah, it may have been one of those cases like Iltar and Quetzalcoatl.
(09:23:05) (Host-Roz) hey that makes sense Mark
(09:23:21) (mark) :-)
(09:23:39) (WalksInSpirit) They were the same person, but in Atlantis, he was known as Iltar. But in Central America, he was known as Quetzalcoatl.
(09:23:56) (Host-Roz) okie
(09:24:03) (WalksInSpirit) Makes for headaches when trying to research! LOL
(09:24:14) (Host-Roz) but was it the same time period?
(09:24:17) (WalksInSpirit) Yep
(09:25:49) (Host-Roz) how was the legend recorded about Iltar?
(09:26:08) (Host-Roz) is it in Cayce?
(09:26:09) (mark) but there's one thing the Hebrews as a race came much later
(09:26:11) (WalksInSpirit) Iltar is talked about all through the Cayce readings.
(09:26:23) (Host-Roz) oh okie
(09:26:39) (WalksInSpirit) Cayce says he came to Central America and was then known as Qutezalcoatl.
(09:27:03) (WalksInSpirit) That's how I got 'em figured out finally!
(09:27:11) (Host-Roz) yah Mark which makes a big difference several thousand years
(09:27:19) (mark) yes
(09:28:16) (mark) wonder if he resaw us talking about all this
(09:28:37) (Host-Roz) aand several instances in which there are similiarities as the downfall of Atlantis making beasts in to slaves
(09:28:53) (Host-Roz) and the men of Sodom
(09:34:16) (Host-Roz) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God…feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(09:34:21) (ernie) front and center here
(09:34:26) (Host-Roz) Amen
(09:34:29) (Cris) Amen
(09:34:37) (merri) Amen
(09:34:42) (Qrious) ameni
(09:34:46) (Bill) Amen
(09:34:47) (ernie) Amen
(09:34:55) (Lory) Amen
(09:35:55) (Cheryl) Amen
(09:36:06) (Host-Roz) thost we'd back up a bit and talk a bit about the downfall of Atlantis for making sub human species outside the bounds set up By God and the subhumans manifesting in Sodom
(09:37:34) (Host-Roz) 12, Abram dwelt in the land of Canaan, and lot dwelt in the villages of the plain, thus possessing the land as far as Sodom.(Sodom means consuming.)
(09:38:14) (Host-Roz) 13. now the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners in the presence of the lord exceedingly.
(09:39:06) (Host-Roz) The men of Sodom who were wicked and sinners were those who misused the reproductive power to produce beings who were not in accord with the pattern shown for mans evolvement. The men of Sodom sought to use the reproductive process to turn beasts into sub— humans. This state of manifestation causes the one producing and the one produced to become a unit outside the law of the universe. This misuse- the draining off the power -left a subhuman cu1ture.The
(09:39:46) (Host-Roz) feel free to jump in at any time
(09:40:12) (mark) it cut off,...a subhuman cu1ture.The
(09:40:14) (Bill) This misuse- the draining off the power -left a subhuman cu1ture.The ???
(09:40:29) (Lory) These subhumans were Sons of God, were they not.?
(09:40:56) (Host-Roz) well Lory they were outside the metes and bounds set up
(09:41:14) (Lory) But free will that God gave them was misused...
(09:41:23) (Host-Roz) left a subhuman cu1ture.The manifestation of this misdirected energy reproduced itself, to the end that it must of itself produce the seeds of its destruction. Sodomy is classed today as unlawful, the seeds of the action of misdirected use of the reproductive power, as in Sodom.
(09:42:26) (Host-Roz) was this not what Atntlanteans did tha brot about their downfall
(09:42:42) (Lory) Yes, it was.
(09:42:45) (mark) yes
(09:43:04) (Host-Roz) did they have souls?
(09:43:17) (mark) i think so
(09:43:27) (Lory) They must have, they were sons of God.
(09:43:36) (Host-Roz) were they created in th e image of God? oo of man?
(09:43:52) (Host-Roz) or of man?
(09:43:58) (Qrious) well Lory.. the in Genesis.. read the part that says.. There were Nephilim in the earth in those days(i.e. Noahs... ; and also After That.... when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men.... after that is the catch phrase.
(09:43:58) (Lory) Image of man had not yet been created.
(09:44:02) (merri) they were thought projections not souls?
(09:44:15) (Host-Roz) yes Merri
(09:44:50) (Bill) is was souls that created the thought projections
(09:44:51) (Lory) Amilius and Noah were part of the Atlantean era.
(09:45:12) (Sophia) it is said Goddess camed first then her twin was created God ... why do we always refer to Creator as male ... would Creator be imbalanced ... sad that the Divine feminie has been so forgotten
(09:45:19) (Cheryl) Also mixing between fish & man or bull & ape. Making mixed species w/ feathter, scale or whatever.
(09:45:29) (Sophia) Creator is both female and male
(09:45:35) (Host-Roz) 3 devour their flesh. And the sheep cried out because their flesh was being devoured by the birds
(09:46:06) (Lory) Habit, Sophia. You are right.
(09:46:26) (Host-Roz) now was their ( Gods)creation being devoured by this manifestation
(09:47:29) (Host-Roz) 4 and as for me I looked and lamented in my sleep over that shepherd who pastured the sheep. And I saw until those sheep were devoured by the dogs and eagles and kites, and they left neither flesh nor skin nor sinew remaining on them till only their bones stood there: and their bones too fell
(09:49:07) (Host-Roz) 5 to the earth and the sheep became few. And I saw until that twenty-three had undertaken the pasturing and completed in their several periods fifty-eight times.
(09:49:30) (Host-Roz) any thots about his one I couldnt come up any
(09:50:58) (Host-Roz) 6 But behold lambs were borne by those white sheep, and they began to open their eyes and to see, 7 and to cry to the sheep. Yea, they cried to them, but they did not hearken to what they said to
(09:52:06) (Host-Roz) 8 them, but were exceedingly deaf, and their eyes were very exceedingly blinded. and i saw in the vision how the ravens flew upon those lambs and took one of those lambs, and dashed the sheep
(09:52:53) (Host-Roz) Ravens (Crows) are Seleucids (Syrians)
(09:53:25) (Host-Roz) Ravens also are a symbol of Arabs
(09:54:33) (Host-Roz) 9 in pieces and devoured them. And I saw till horns grew upon those lambs, and the ravens cast down their horns; and I saw till there sprouted a great horn of one of those sheep, and their eyes (Abraham telling that Sarah is his sister)
(09:55:27) (Host-Roz) 10 were opened. And it looked at them [and their eyes opened], and it cried to the sheep, and the
(09:55:59) (Host-Roz) and recalled he was found out because they saw it in a dream
(09:56:59) (Host-Roz) 11 rams saw it and all ran to it. And notwithstanding all this those eagles and vultures and ravens and kites still kept tearing the sheep and swooping down upon them and devouring them: still the sheep remained silent, but the rams lamented and cried out. And those ravens fought and battled with it and sought to lay low its horn, but they had no power over it. All the eagles and vultures and ravens and kites were gathered together, and there came with t
(09:58:46) (Host-Roz) also the birth of Ishmael by
(09:59:05) (Host-Roz) Sarahs handmaiden Hagar
(09:59:52) (Host-Roz) 19 And I saw till a great sword was given to the sheep, and the sheep proceeded against all the beasts of the field to slay them, and all the beasts and the birds of the heaven fled before their face. And I saw that man, who wrote the book according to the command of the Lord, till he opened that book concerning the destruction which those twelve( tribes) last shepherds had wrought,
(10:01:08) (Host-Roz) and showed that they had destroyed much more than their predecessors, before the Lord of the sheep. And I saw till the Lord of the sheep came unto them and took in His hand the staff of His wrath, and smote the earth, and the earth clave asunder, and all the beasts and all the birds of the heaven fell from among those sheep, and were swallowed up in the earth and it covered them.
(10:01:32) (Host-Roz) destruction of Sodom
(10:02:34) (Lory) I was under the impression that Sodom was destroyed after Adam, not during the Atlantean era.
(10:03:07) (Host-Roz) it was in the Hebrew History not Atlantis
(10:03:18) (Lory) OK
(10:03:24) (Host-Roz) Enoch was precognitive
(10:03:45) (Host-Roz) thats why we were discussing predestination
(10:04:06) (Host-Roz) was it predestined?
(10:04:31) (Qrious) sounds more like Revelation.... Jesus with the rod.. that smites the potsherds.. and when he shows up on the 7th trump.. the earth is cleaved asunder... the separation of the tares and wheat.. or good fish and bad ones.. during the harvest when he has the sickle in hand with the other angels.. stuff like that.
(10:04:40) (Lory) It certainly appears to be.
(10:04:48) (Host-Roz) or was he able even at that stage to presee
(10:04:51) (Cris) Those souls had free will
(10:05:02) (Cris) They could choose right or wrong
(10:05:23) (Host-Roz) evidently not the sub humans created by thot forms
(10:05:37) (Host-Roz) 20 And I saw till a throne was erected in the pleasant land, and the Lord of the sheep sat Himself thereon, and the other took the sealed books and opened those books before the Lord of the sheep (Akashic Record)
(10:05:51) (Qrious) oh yah.. the birds of the air will eat the flesh of man also.. forgot that one.
(10:06:43) (Host-Roz) 21 And the Lord called those men the seven first white ones, and commanded that they should bring before Him, beginning with the first star, which led the way, all the stars whose privy members.
(10:07:33) (Host-Roz) (The stars are symbols of the many companions of these two, the souls that came in with them and that held the same ideal and purpose, to seek those who had for gotten God, and to rebuild harmony, system and balance into the deve1oping solar system.)
(10:08:55) (Host-Roz) 22 were like those of horses, and they brought them all before Him. And He said to that man who wrote before Him, being one of those seven white ones, and said unto him: ' Take those seventy shepherds to whom I delivered the sheep, and who taking them on their own authority slew more (horses-Chakras, our connection to the Spirit Body)
(10:09:28) (Host-Roz) 70 disciples
(10:09:54) (Host-Roz) any questions or comments?
(10:10:34) (Host-Roz) we'll stop there for this evening .... this is very heady stuff
(10:13:19) (Host-Roz) Bless all for coming and your participation
(10:13:40) (merri) TY Roz for tonights lesson
(10:13:40) (Cris) Thanks for the lesson Roz
(10:13:50) (Host-Roz) it is now open chat
(10:13:52) (WalksInSpirit) Great chat tonight, Roz! Thank you!
(10:13:59) (Cheryl) Thanks Host-Roz for another fine evening
(10:14:19) (merri) have a question
(10:14:23) (mark) blessings Roz and thanks
(10:14:26) (Roz) glad you came Cris and thanks Wis
(10:14:28) (Lory) It is startling to realize and remember that we are some of those individuals and subhumans you are speaking of Roz.
(10:14:35) (Roz) ty Cheryl
(10:14:50) (ernie) yes Roz great and intresting class
(10:15:11) (merri) If God is Love, how can He be portrayed as a Wrathful God?
(10:15:13) (Roz) no we arent Lory they did not survive or procreate
(10:16:04) (Lory) Then why is it important for us to know about it? It seems almost impossible.
(10:16:05) (Roz) I think it is man's perception of wrathfulness not God's
(10:16:30) (Roz) so we are not tempted to do likewise Lory
(10:16:48) (Roz) thots are things
(10:17:14) (Lory) But there are humans in the world who are nearly as bad today.
(10:17:34) (merri) so are we attributing the image of wrathfulness to God ?
(10:17:37) (mark) and controlled
(10:17:39) (Roz) seemingly Lory I agree
(10:17:45) (Lory) We are destroying our own world.
(10:18:02) (merri) we did it before Lory
(10:18:05) (mark) not us our leaders
(10:18:07) (ernie) sad
(10:18:08) (Qrious) I wouldn't know Roz... Jesus did say.. you are of your father Satan...to the Pharisee's... and they did infiltrate the Levitical priesthood during Nehemiah's time period.
(10:18:34) (Roz) I thnk we we look on some things as the Wrath of God, it is our own perception
(10:19:22) (Qrious) well.. during the harvest for the winepress of the Wrath of God... hmm... I wonder.
(10:20:10) (Qrious) the vials/bowls... have to be filled before it can be poured unto us.. wouldn't it?
(10:20:12) (Roz) all things are for our understanding?
(10:21:03) (merri) confusing with things contradict one another Roz
(10:21:41) (Roz) I agree Merri makes us study and think
(10:22:07) (Roz) and trust
(10:22:28) (merri) LOL we will all become philosophers!!
(10:22:37) (Lory) Does the author of this book Enoch quote any of Cayce material from the Akashic records? Roz
(10:22:38) (ernie) thats what im talking about i think thinking is some sorce of power
(10:23:09) (Lory) Sure it is ernie
(10:23:14) (Roz) exackle and be fit to commicante and be a fit companion with God
(10:24:05) (Roz) author of this book no but Cayce has material germaine to it
(10:24:17) (Lory) The movie "conversations with God" opened up this week. I saw it and recommend it highly.
(10:24:25) (ernie) some great greek once said a man with a secsesfull marriage is just a man one with a failed one is a philosopher
(10:24:41) (Roz) the book is on tape also Lory
(10:24:45) (merri) LOL ernie
(10:24:51) (ernie) lol
(10:24:52) (Qrious) Socrates
(10:25:00) (ernie) so i must be super
(10:25:04) (ernie) duper
(10:25:05) (ernie) lol
(10:25:15) (ernie) i think Q
(10:25:22) (Roz) goes with out saying ernie
(10:25:29) (ernie) lol
(10:27:10) (Qrious) Aloha all. thanks for the class Roz.
(10:27:18) (Roz) God's Richest Blessing
