Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 6, 2006 21:23:36 GMT -5
The Secret Of The Book Of Enoch: 08-06-06
(09:35:07) (Host-Roz) well lets center
(09:35:41) (Host-Roz) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God…feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(09:35:47) (Host-Roz) Amen
(09:35:54) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:36:05) (merri) Amen
(09:36:09) (HealingLady) Amen
(09:36:11) (Bill) Amen
(09:36:11) (Cris) Amen
(09:36:56) (Host-Roz) 1. In those days Noah saw that the earth became inclined, and that destruction approached.
(09:37:44) (Host-Roz) 2. Then he lifted up his feet, and went to the ends of the earth, to the dwelling of his great- grandfather Enoch.
(09:38:29) (Host-Roz) 3. And Noah cried with a bitter voice, “Hear me; hear me; hear me: three times. And he said,” Tell me what is transacting upon earth; for the earth labours, and is violently shaken. Surely I shall perish with it.
(09:39:19) (Host-Roz) 4. After this there was a great perturbation on earth, and a voice was heard from heaven. I fell down on my face, when my great-grandfather Enoch came and stood by me.
(09:40:35) (Host-Roz) 5. He said to me, Why hast thou cried out to me with a bitter cry and lamentation 6. A commandment has gone forth from the Lord against those who dwell on the earth, that they may be destroyed ~ for they know every secret of the angels, every oppressive and secret power of the devils, and every power of those who commit sorcery, as well as of those who make molten images in the whole earth.
(09:41:52) (Host-Roz) 7.They know how silver is produced from the dust of the earth, and how on the earth the metallic drop exists; for lead and tin are not produced from earth, as the primary fountain of their production.
(09:42:56) (Host-Roz) 8. There is an angel standing upon it, and that angel struggles to prevail.
(09:43:27) (merri) what is the metallic drop?
(09:43:59) (Host-Roz) dunno what do yu think?
(09:44:02) (Leon) sounds like mercury
(09:44:06) (Host-Roz) 9. Afterwards my great-grandfather Enoch seized me with his hand, raising me up, and saying to me, for I have asked the Lord of spirits respecting this perturbation of the earth; who replied, On account of their impiety have their innumerable judgments been consummated before me. Respecting the moons have they inquired, and they have known that the earth will perish with those who dwell upon it, and that to these there will be no place of refuge forever.
(09:44:32) (Host-Roz) yes it does Leon
(09:45:31) (Host-Roz) 10. They have discovered secrets, and they are those who have been judged; but not thou, my son,
(09:46:25) (Host-Roz) 11.He, the holy One, will establish thy name in the midst of the. Saints, and will preserve thee from those who dwell upon the earth. He will establish thy seed in righteousness, with dominion and great glory; 1 and from thy seed shall spring forth righteous and holy men without number for ever.
(09:46:50) (Host-Roz) chapter 65
(09:46:59) (Host-Roz) also very short
(09:47:53) (Host-Roz) so Noah was warned by his grandfather?
(09:47:57) (Host-Roz) 1. After this he showed me the angels of punishment, who were prepared to come, and to open all the mighty waters’ under the earth:
(09:48:50) (Host-Roz) 2. That they may be for judgment, and for the destruction of all those who remain and dwell upon the earth.3.And the Lord of spirits commanded the angels, who went forth, not to take up the men and preserve them.
(09:49:31) (Host-Roz) 4. For those angels presided over all the mighty waters. Then I went out from the presence of Enoch.
(09:49:53) (Host-Roz) wonder who the I is?
(09:50:06) (Host-Roz) chapter 66
(09:50:34) (Bill) Noah
(09:50:37) (Bill) ?
(09:51:02) (Host-Roz) probably Bill
(09:51:07) (Host-Roz) 1.In those days the word of God came to me, and said, Noah, behold, thy lot has ascended up to me, a lot void of crime, a lot beloved and upright.
(09:51:54) (Host-Roz) 2.Now then shall the angels labour at the trees; but when they proceed to this, I will put my hand upon it, and preserve it.
(09:52:39) (Host-Roz) 3.The seed of life shall arise from it, and a change shall take place, that the dry land may not be left empty. I will establish thy seed before me for ever and ever, and the seed of those who dwell with thee on the surface of the earth. It shall be blessed and multiplied in the presence of the earth, in the name of the Lord.
(09:53:26) (Host-Roz) we are in chapter 66 verse 4
(09:54:08) (Host-Roz) the story of Noah
(09:54:13) (Host-Roz) 4.And they shall confine those angels who disclosed impiety. In that burning valley it is, that they shall be confined, which at first my great-grandfather Enoch showed me in the west, where there were mountains of gold and silver, of iron, of fluid metal, and of tin.
(09:55:01) (Host-Roz) 5.I beheld that valley in which there was great perturbation, and where the waters were troubled.
(09:55:49) (Host-Roz) 6.And when all this was effected, from the fluid mass of fire, and the perturbation which prevailed ~ in that place, there arose a strong smell of sulphur, which became mixed with the waters; and the valley of the angels, who had been guilty of seduction, burned underneath its soil.
(09:56:21) (Host-Roz) dont recall this in other accounts
(09:57:16) (Host-Roz) 7.Through that valley also rivers of fire were flowing, to which those angels shall be condemned, who seduced the inhabitants of the earth.
(09:58:01) (Host-Roz) 8.And in those days shall these waters be to kings, to princes, to the exalted, and to the inhabitants of the earth, for the healing of the soul and body, and for the judgment of the spirit.
(09:58:05) (merri) strong smell of sulphur which mixed with the waters sounds like Saratoga Springs
(09:58:19) (Host-Roz) yah LOL
(09:58:57) (Host-Roz) 9.Their spirits shall be full of revelry, that they may be judged in their bodies; because they have denied the Lord of spirits, and although they perceive their condemnation day by day, they believe not in his name.
(10:00:01) (Host-Roz) 11.. For no word which is uttered before the Lord of spirits shall be in vain.12. Judgment has come upon them, because they trusted in their carnal revelry,’ and denied the Lord of spirits.
(10:00:47) (Host-Roz) 13. In those days shall the waters of that valley be changed; for when the angels shall be judged, then shall the heat of those springs of water experience an alteration.
(10:01:41) (Host-Roz) global warming?
(10:01:45) (Host-Roz) 14. And when the angels shall ascend, the water of the springs shall again undergo a change, and be frozen. Then I heard holy Michael answering and saying, This judgment, with which the angels shall be judged, shall bear testimony against the kings, the princes, and those who possess the earth.
(10:02:32) (Host-Roz) 15. For these waters of judgment shall be for their healing, and for the death of their bodies. But they shall not perceive and believe that the waters will be changed, and become a fire, which shall blaze for ever.
(10:02:56) (Host-Roz) chapter 67
(10:03:31) (Host-Roz) 1.After this he gave me the characteristical marks’ of all the secret things in the book of my great-grandfather Enoch, and in the parables which had been given to him; inserting them for me among the words of the book of parables.
(10:04:30) (Host-Roz) 2.At that time holy Michael answered and said to Raphael, The power of the spirit hurries me away, and impels me on. The severity of the judgment, of the secret judgment of the angels, who is capable of beholding—the endurance of that severe judgment which has taken place and been made permanent—without being melted at the sight of it. Again holy Michael answered and said to holy Raphael, Who is there whose heart is not softened by it, and whose reins are not
(10:05:29) (Host-Roz) 3.Judgment has gone forth against them by those who have thus dragged them away; and that was, when they stood in the presence of the Lord of spirits.
(10:06:14) (Host-Roz) 4.In like manner also holy Rakael said to Raphael, They shall not be before the eye of the
(10:06:57) (Host-Roz) Lord; since the Lord of spirits has been offended with them; for like Lords have they conducted themselves. Therefore will he bring upon them a secret judgment for ever and ever.
(10:07:41) (Host-Roz) 5. For neither shall angel nor man receive a portion of it; but they alone shall receive their own judgment for ever and ever.
(10:08:03) (Host-Roz) are we still affected by these angels?
(10:08:38) (Host-Roz) end of Chapter 67 we''stop there for tonite
(10:09:22) (merri) is it the angels or our own free will?
(10:09:35) (Host-Roz) good question Merri?
(10:10:22) (Host-Roz) neither shall angel nor man receive a portion of it; but they alone shall receive their own judgment for ever and ever.
(10:10:51) (Host-Roz) so looks like our own free will
(10:11:09) (Host-Roz) questions or comments?
(10:11:38) (merri) haven't we evolved enough to the point where we are responsible for making a higher choice
(10:11:45) (Leon) Lord of Spirits--who might that be??
(10:12:08) (Host-Roz) Same Lord as today?
(10:12:40) (merri) agree
(10:12:42) (WalksInSpirit) That was my understanding too, that it's God.
(10:13:00) (Richard) I can read a lot in that last statement... Seems to be pointing out that we are responsible for our on actions.
(10:13:21) (Host-Roz) agreed Wis
(10:13:45) (Host-Roz) yes Richard I think so too
(10:14:34) (Richard) I like it like that... fair as rain.
(10:15:09) (Host-Roz) rain that falls on the just and unjust?
(10:15:22) (Richard) Exactly.
(10:16:20) (Host-Roz) chaper 68 is a very long one tha is very heady
(10:16:52) (Host-Roz) we may have to get a running start on it next wk LOL
(10:19:41) (Host-Roz) so good to see everyone and thanks for coming
(10:19:53) (WalksInSpirit) Thanks for a great chat, Roz!
(10:20:00) (Richard) Sorry I was late... didn't notice the hour.
(10:20:05) (Cris) Thanks for the lesson
(10:20:06) (HealingLady) Thank You, Roz
(10:20:08) (merri) glad you could be here to host Roz
(10:20:53) (Anne) yes teacher, so glad i came
(10:21:52) (Leon) G Thank you again Roz!!
(10:22:49) (Host-Roz) open chat
(09:35:41) (Host-Roz) Lets center, deep breath, and exhale Allow the Presence of God to take your awareness, sense the Presence of God…feel the Peace that passes all understanding. Allow your mind and heart to resonate to these feelings. Almighty God Guide and direct our study, Allow Your words to imprint on our hearts and minds. By Your Grace let us nurture and uphold each other.
(09:35:47) (Host-Roz) Amen
(09:35:54) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:36:05) (merri) Amen
(09:36:09) (HealingLady) Amen
(09:36:11) (Bill) Amen
(09:36:11) (Cris) Amen
(09:36:56) (Host-Roz) 1. In those days Noah saw that the earth became inclined, and that destruction approached.
(09:37:44) (Host-Roz) 2. Then he lifted up his feet, and went to the ends of the earth, to the dwelling of his great- grandfather Enoch.
(09:38:29) (Host-Roz) 3. And Noah cried with a bitter voice, “Hear me; hear me; hear me: three times. And he said,” Tell me what is transacting upon earth; for the earth labours, and is violently shaken. Surely I shall perish with it.
(09:39:19) (Host-Roz) 4. After this there was a great perturbation on earth, and a voice was heard from heaven. I fell down on my face, when my great-grandfather Enoch came and stood by me.
(09:40:35) (Host-Roz) 5. He said to me, Why hast thou cried out to me with a bitter cry and lamentation 6. A commandment has gone forth from the Lord against those who dwell on the earth, that they may be destroyed ~ for they know every secret of the angels, every oppressive and secret power of the devils, and every power of those who commit sorcery, as well as of those who make molten images in the whole earth.
(09:41:52) (Host-Roz) 7.They know how silver is produced from the dust of the earth, and how on the earth the metallic drop exists; for lead and tin are not produced from earth, as the primary fountain of their production.
(09:42:56) (Host-Roz) 8. There is an angel standing upon it, and that angel struggles to prevail.
(09:43:27) (merri) what is the metallic drop?
(09:43:59) (Host-Roz) dunno what do yu think?
(09:44:02) (Leon) sounds like mercury
(09:44:06) (Host-Roz) 9. Afterwards my great-grandfather Enoch seized me with his hand, raising me up, and saying to me, for I have asked the Lord of spirits respecting this perturbation of the earth; who replied, On account of their impiety have their innumerable judgments been consummated before me. Respecting the moons have they inquired, and they have known that the earth will perish with those who dwell upon it, and that to these there will be no place of refuge forever.
(09:44:32) (Host-Roz) yes it does Leon
(09:45:31) (Host-Roz) 10. They have discovered secrets, and they are those who have been judged; but not thou, my son,
(09:46:25) (Host-Roz) 11.He, the holy One, will establish thy name in the midst of the. Saints, and will preserve thee from those who dwell upon the earth. He will establish thy seed in righteousness, with dominion and great glory; 1 and from thy seed shall spring forth righteous and holy men without number for ever.
(09:46:50) (Host-Roz) chapter 65
(09:46:59) (Host-Roz) also very short
(09:47:53) (Host-Roz) so Noah was warned by his grandfather?
(09:47:57) (Host-Roz) 1. After this he showed me the angels of punishment, who were prepared to come, and to open all the mighty waters’ under the earth:
(09:48:50) (Host-Roz) 2. That they may be for judgment, and for the destruction of all those who remain and dwell upon the earth.3.And the Lord of spirits commanded the angels, who went forth, not to take up the men and preserve them.
(09:49:31) (Host-Roz) 4. For those angels presided over all the mighty waters. Then I went out from the presence of Enoch.
(09:49:53) (Host-Roz) wonder who the I is?
(09:50:06) (Host-Roz) chapter 66
(09:50:34) (Bill) Noah
(09:50:37) (Bill) ?
(09:51:02) (Host-Roz) probably Bill
(09:51:07) (Host-Roz) 1.In those days the word of God came to me, and said, Noah, behold, thy lot has ascended up to me, a lot void of crime, a lot beloved and upright.
(09:51:54) (Host-Roz) 2.Now then shall the angels labour at the trees; but when they proceed to this, I will put my hand upon it, and preserve it.
(09:52:39) (Host-Roz) 3.The seed of life shall arise from it, and a change shall take place, that the dry land may not be left empty. I will establish thy seed before me for ever and ever, and the seed of those who dwell with thee on the surface of the earth. It shall be blessed and multiplied in the presence of the earth, in the name of the Lord.
(09:53:26) (Host-Roz) we are in chapter 66 verse 4
(09:54:08) (Host-Roz) the story of Noah
(09:54:13) (Host-Roz) 4.And they shall confine those angels who disclosed impiety. In that burning valley it is, that they shall be confined, which at first my great-grandfather Enoch showed me in the west, where there were mountains of gold and silver, of iron, of fluid metal, and of tin.
(09:55:01) (Host-Roz) 5.I beheld that valley in which there was great perturbation, and where the waters were troubled.
(09:55:49) (Host-Roz) 6.And when all this was effected, from the fluid mass of fire, and the perturbation which prevailed ~ in that place, there arose a strong smell of sulphur, which became mixed with the waters; and the valley of the angels, who had been guilty of seduction, burned underneath its soil.
(09:56:21) (Host-Roz) dont recall this in other accounts
(09:57:16) (Host-Roz) 7.Through that valley also rivers of fire were flowing, to which those angels shall be condemned, who seduced the inhabitants of the earth.
(09:58:01) (Host-Roz) 8.And in those days shall these waters be to kings, to princes, to the exalted, and to the inhabitants of the earth, for the healing of the soul and body, and for the judgment of the spirit.
(09:58:05) (merri) strong smell of sulphur which mixed with the waters sounds like Saratoga Springs
(09:58:19) (Host-Roz) yah LOL
(09:58:57) (Host-Roz) 9.Their spirits shall be full of revelry, that they may be judged in their bodies; because they have denied the Lord of spirits, and although they perceive their condemnation day by day, they believe not in his name.
(10:00:01) (Host-Roz) 11.. For no word which is uttered before the Lord of spirits shall be in vain.12. Judgment has come upon them, because they trusted in their carnal revelry,’ and denied the Lord of spirits.
(10:00:47) (Host-Roz) 13. In those days shall the waters of that valley be changed; for when the angels shall be judged, then shall the heat of those springs of water experience an alteration.
(10:01:41) (Host-Roz) global warming?
(10:01:45) (Host-Roz) 14. And when the angels shall ascend, the water of the springs shall again undergo a change, and be frozen. Then I heard holy Michael answering and saying, This judgment, with which the angels shall be judged, shall bear testimony against the kings, the princes, and those who possess the earth.
(10:02:32) (Host-Roz) 15. For these waters of judgment shall be for their healing, and for the death of their bodies. But they shall not perceive and believe that the waters will be changed, and become a fire, which shall blaze for ever.
(10:02:56) (Host-Roz) chapter 67
(10:03:31) (Host-Roz) 1.After this he gave me the characteristical marks’ of all the secret things in the book of my great-grandfather Enoch, and in the parables which had been given to him; inserting them for me among the words of the book of parables.
(10:04:30) (Host-Roz) 2.At that time holy Michael answered and said to Raphael, The power of the spirit hurries me away, and impels me on. The severity of the judgment, of the secret judgment of the angels, who is capable of beholding—the endurance of that severe judgment which has taken place and been made permanent—without being melted at the sight of it. Again holy Michael answered and said to holy Raphael, Who is there whose heart is not softened by it, and whose reins are not
(10:05:29) (Host-Roz) 3.Judgment has gone forth against them by those who have thus dragged them away; and that was, when they stood in the presence of the Lord of spirits.
(10:06:14) (Host-Roz) 4.In like manner also holy Rakael said to Raphael, They shall not be before the eye of the
(10:06:57) (Host-Roz) Lord; since the Lord of spirits has been offended with them; for like Lords have they conducted themselves. Therefore will he bring upon them a secret judgment for ever and ever.
(10:07:41) (Host-Roz) 5. For neither shall angel nor man receive a portion of it; but they alone shall receive their own judgment for ever and ever.
(10:08:03) (Host-Roz) are we still affected by these angels?
(10:08:38) (Host-Roz) end of Chapter 67 we''stop there for tonite
(10:09:22) (merri) is it the angels or our own free will?
(10:09:35) (Host-Roz) good question Merri?
(10:10:22) (Host-Roz) neither shall angel nor man receive a portion of it; but they alone shall receive their own judgment for ever and ever.
(10:10:51) (Host-Roz) so looks like our own free will
(10:11:09) (Host-Roz) questions or comments?
(10:11:38) (merri) haven't we evolved enough to the point where we are responsible for making a higher choice
(10:11:45) (Leon) Lord of Spirits--who might that be??
(10:12:08) (Host-Roz) Same Lord as today?
(10:12:40) (merri) agree
(10:12:42) (WalksInSpirit) That was my understanding too, that it's God.
(10:13:00) (Richard) I can read a lot in that last statement... Seems to be pointing out that we are responsible for our on actions.
(10:13:21) (Host-Roz) agreed Wis
(10:13:45) (Host-Roz) yes Richard I think so too
(10:14:34) (Richard) I like it like that... fair as rain.
(10:15:09) (Host-Roz) rain that falls on the just and unjust?
(10:15:22) (Richard) Exactly.
(10:16:20) (Host-Roz) chaper 68 is a very long one tha is very heady
(10:16:52) (Host-Roz) we may have to get a running start on it next wk LOL
(10:19:41) (Host-Roz) so good to see everyone and thanks for coming
(10:19:53) (WalksInSpirit) Thanks for a great chat, Roz!
(10:20:00) (Richard) Sorry I was late... didn't notice the hour.
(10:20:05) (Cris) Thanks for the lesson
(10:20:06) (HealingLady) Thank You, Roz
(10:20:08) (merri) glad you could be here to host Roz
(10:20:53) (Anne) yes teacher, so glad i came
(10:21:52) (Leon) G Thank you again Roz!!
(10:22:49) (Host-Roz) open chat
