Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 18, 2007 21:31:31 GMT -5
Creative Asrology Chat: 08-18-07
(09:21:28) (AutoGreeter-) Good Evening. The Red Path Chat Room welcomes you to Creative Astrology Chat, Hosted By Lynn.
(09:29:35) (@host-Lynn) Ok, I´m going to begin now.
(09:29:40) (@host-Lynn) Creator God, you who made lights in the heaven and gave them to us for signs, bless us with courage of Aries, appreciation of Taurus, intelligence of Gemini, compassion of Cancer, dignity of Leo, purity of Virgo, justice of Libra, resurrection of Scorpio, seeking of Sagittarius, determination of Capricorn, generosity of Aquarius and mysticism of Pisces.
(09:29:45) (~WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:29:50) (Raleigh) Amen
(09:30:01) (@host-Lynn) Amen
(09:30:03) (@host-Lynn)
(09:30:08) (~Blu) Amen
(09:30:20) (@host-Lynn) There is so much treasure within us. Each of the astrology archetypes, (signs and planets) is found within our individual horoscopes. Each is found within our this lifetime identity.
(09:30:24) (Cris) Amen
(09:30:34) (@host-Lynn) God, Itself, abides within us. Cayce told us if we do not find God within us, we will never find him without.
(09:30:51) (@host-Lynn) One energy pattern that is within each of us is ego. Cayce often refers to "self." I feel certain, Cayce was referring to negative ego and not to the positive individual identity of the potential companion of God.
(09:31:11) (@host-Lynn) Let´s think together for a while. I have some questions to help us look at EGO. We can use what we understand. Understanding turns the light on and the shadows disappear.
(09:31:16) (~Blu) I agree Lynn
(09:31:20) (@host-Lynn) That´s what you said you were doing, Ral.
(09:31:29) (@host-Lynn) Thanks, Blu
(09:31:32) (Raleigh) hummm
(09:31:53) (@host-Lynn) Here´s a question for you.
(09:31:56) (@host-Lynn) In the presence of true confidence in our true selves and our creator, would there be any need for negative ego? Why or why not?
(09:32:15) (Raleigh) be humble / meek
(09:32:27) (@host-Lynn) Why are we afraid to be humble?
(09:33:08) (~Blu) That is a hard question
(09:33:12) (@host-Lynn) Maybe we think we have to show how big and bad we are so no one attacks us.
(09:33:12) (~Blu) I need to think
(09:33:26) (Raleigh) cause it feels like lowering oneself
(09:33:36) (Raleigh) ?
(09:33:41) (@host-Lynn) And why is it dangerous to lower oneself, Ral?
(09:33:57) (~Blu) Ah yes, setting self aside
(09:34:04) (Raleigh) you are used
(09:34:10) (~Blu) like Jesus washing the feet of the deciples
(09:34:16) (@host-Lynn) I think self is what we call EGO. Do you agree?
(09:34:26) (Raleigh) k
(09:34:32) (~Blu) a negative aspect yes
(09:34:34) (@host-Lynn) ok, I´ll continue now
(09:34:52) (@host-Lynn) Many philosophers and metaphysical leaders believe we are growing into our God potential. Ego can be transformed into a positive expression of our own self worth. The God in you is just as important as the God in anyone else. Cayce often spoke of having compassion and love for one´s true self.
(09:36:24) (@host-Lynn) Our ego is usually reflected in our Sun Sign. My astrology teacher, Honey, said we see ourselves as our Sun Sign. Others, more often, see us as our rising sign.
(09:36:40) (Raleigh) honey / :)
(09:36:42) (@host-Lynn) Here´s a quickie summation of EGO as it may express through the signs:
(09:37:00) (@host-Lynn) Aries - "Me first!" Taurus - "security" Gemini - "smarter than the average bear" Cancer - "me and mine" Leo - "I rule" Virgo - "I know what´s best for you." Libra - "It´s not fair!" Scorpio - "I want!" Sagittarius - "Don´t fence me in." Capricorn - "Respect me." Aquarius - "I´m different." Pisces "I escape."
(09:37:24) (@host-Lynn) I´m going to post a very short article I wrote concerning the ego. Then let´s talk about it.
(09:37:37) (@host-Lynn) Here´s the article....EGO
(09:37:59) (@host-Lynn) Each of us has created a slave master called EGO. We confuse our created identity, EGO, with our true identity. We come to believe EGO is ME. That is not so!
(09:38:19) (@host-Lynn) EGO is a cruel taskmaster. When EGO is threatened, we'll do just about anything to save face. We will devote our lives to serving EGO. We will give every thing, including our souls, to satisfy this evil taskmaster.
(09:38:42) (@host-Lynn) Some of us, who are on a spiritual path, come to believe we have finally overcome EGO. We are free. Hah! Comes a threat to EGO. Alarms go off! We forget what we were striving for.
(09:38:59) (@host-Lynn) How dare anyone threaten the survival of our slave driver, EGO!
(09:39:17) (@host-Lynn) We feel the whip on our backs. We fight, argue, get violent and strut like roosters. Sometimes we just do the "Never speak to you again," routine. This is not the way we want to behave. But we do!!!!
(09:39:37) (@host-Lynn) The war cry of EGO, "Behold, there is none like unto me! I am the greatest."
(09:40:17) (@host-Lynn) Truth is, there are many like unto me. There are many who can do some things better than I can, just as there are some things I can do better than many can.
(09:40:31) (@host-Lynn) Each one of us has an individual role to fill that is ours alone but that is interdependent on the roles of others. We are not only ones.
(09:40:31) (@host-Lynn) Each one of us has an individual role to fill that is ours alone but that is interdependent on the roles of others. We are not only ones.
(09:40:44) (@host-Lynn) WIS shared with me that we are one winged angels. We can only fly together.
(09:40:54) (@host-Lynn) See, WIS, I pay attention to what you say. LOL
(09:41:06) (~Blu) ;-D
(09:41:14) (@host-Lynn) EGO talk, and EGO thinking is mighty dangerous. God will not have his glory stolen.
(09:41:35) (@host-Lynn) Blessed be God, he loves us enough that he will not allow his beloved children to be forever victims of the slave master, EGO.
(09:42:06) (@host-Lynn) Now let´s discuss EGO. Here are some questions to start things off.
(09:42:25) (@host-Lynn) Is EGO the same as self confidence? If not, what is the difference?
(09:42:34) (@host-Lynn) What do you say?
(09:42:57) (Raleigh) ego is faulse pride?
(09:43:06) (@host-Lynn) What makes it false, Ral?
(09:43:15) (Raleigh) self confidence is good//
(09:43:31) (@host-Lynn) What´s the difference. What makes self confidence good?
(09:43:40) (Raleigh) its how we are taught by the world
(09:43:45) (@host-Lynn) I wonder if the Philosopher archetype will get away with this.
(09:43:47) (@host-Lynn) LOL
(09:44:07) (~Blu) LOL
(09:44:22) (@host-Lynn) Like you said, Ral, you think.
(09:44:29) (@host-Lynn) Here´s another to toss out.
(09:44:31) (@host-Lynn) What is the difference between the positive self, created by God to become a companion of God and EGO?
(09:44:49) (MarkH) ego is same as lower self?
(09:45:02) (@host-Lynn) what is lower self? Mark Please explain
(09:45:03) (Raleigh) good 1 mark
(09:45:12) (~Blu) seems like it to me
(09:45:23) (@host-Lynn) What does lower self mean?
(09:45:35) (Cris) Ego is the attention getting part of us self confidence is simply kowing you can do something without bragging
(09:45:41) (Raleigh) once again / worldly things
(09:45:49) (@host-Lynn) Good Cris.
(09:45:57) (MarkH) lower self is the one that only thinks of self rather than others
(09:46:03) (@host-Lynn) Maybe that´s what Jesus said about not flaunting your good works before ment.
(09:46:05) (Raleigh) ty cris
(09:46:13) (Cris) You don't have to shout is you can quietly accomplish something
(09:46:19) (@host-Lynn) Mark, I agree. Perhaps we need the US MIND SET?
(09:46:25) (@host-Lynn) I just shouted.
(09:46:27) (@host-Lynn) Ought oh
(09:46:40) (@host-Lynn) You are right, Cris.
(09:47:07) (@host-Lynn) Wasn´t it Ford who said you can accomplish anything if you don´t care who gets the credit
(09:47:28) (@host-Lynn) Next question
(09:47:31) (@host-Lynn) Is personality something apart from EGO? Are we really our personalities or is personality something we create?
(09:48:14) (~Blu) personality is something we use to get by in this physical condition, but it is not who we are
(09:48:30) (@host-Lynn) Awesome, Blu. We use it to get by.
(09:48:30) (MarkH) i get a little mixed up with this one
(09:48:37) (Raleigh) i think we are born with our personality set /
(09:48:43) (~Blu) Cayce says to let more and more of the higher self to manifest
(09:48:44) (@host-Lynn) ok, Mark. What is personality.
(09:48:48) (Cris) It is a set of clothes worn for a reason
(09:49:02) (~Blu) right Cris
(09:49:03) (@host-Lynn) Exactly! Cris, you good. A set of clothes.
(09:49:14) (@host-Lynn) When do we begin assembling this set of clothese called personality?
(09:49:21) (Cris) Just think of how we act with different people it is't always the same persona that we are showing everyone
(09:49:32) (@host-Lynn) True
(09:49:34) (Cris) We have the mother persona, the wife, the worker and the freind
(09:49:41) (@host-Lynn) Yes
(09:49:42) (~Blu) true Cris
(09:49:55) (Cris) Our essence does not change
(09:50:17) (MarkH) our higher self can come out in our personality
(09:50:24) (@host-Lynn) mother, Cancer wife Taurus worker Virgo friend Aquarius
(09:50:26) (Cris) I agree mark
(09:50:42) (@host-Lynn) Mark, how does the higher self come out in our personality. Tell us more, please.
(09:51:07) (~Blu) There is a meditation that shows you how to set the personality aside and shift to the higher consciousness. You can feel it leave the body and go to the outer aura
(09:51:11) (MarkH) like do gods will,..not ours
(09:51:12) (@host-Lynn) How can we do it, manifest higher self?
(09:51:26) (@host-Lynn) Good, Mark. Thank you.
(09:51:27) (~Blu) by setting self aside
(09:51:33) (Cris) I'd love to learn that meditation Blu
(09:51:38) (@host-Lynn) Question.....does God´s will and our will have to be different?
(09:51:49) (Raleigh) we make
(09:51:58) (~Blu) that is a Van Auken meditation Cris, I will see if I have the tape
(09:52:02) (Raleigh) gods will is we follow his commands /
(09:52:09) (Cris) If we allow ourselves to be we are an expression of God's wll by working with him
(09:52:14) (Raleigh) and to love one each other
(09:52:26) (@host-Lynn) I think its sort of like a pilot in an airplane. He better pay attention to the Navigator who sees more and really knows what is happening.
(09:52:33) (~Blu) we must surrender to god, to make our will one with His
(09:52:44) (@host-Lynn) How do we surrender?
(09:52:55) (Raleigh) empty self
(09:53:00) (~Blu) It's a choice, you say, Thy will be done and mean it!
(09:53:04) (Cris) By asking where we are needed now
(09:53:06) (@host-Lynn) How do we do that.
(09:53:12) (Raleigh) meditation
(09:53:15) (~Blu) Don't say thy will be done then go cuss everybody!
(09:53:24) (@host-Lynn) Does Thy Will be done really mean, Dang I don´t wanna but I´ll let you have your way?
(09:53:41) (MarkH) no
(09:53:45) (~Blu) It might in the begining Lynn
(09:54:07) (@host-Lynn) Maybe if we put God´s word to the test and found out it worked, we would WANT to follow the Navigator who sees more than the pilot
(09:54:10) (~Blu) In my experience I have been obedient even when I did not want to be
(09:54:19) (Raleigh) we are natually wanting to go against his will
(09:54:19) (@host-Lynn) I like that Blu, It might in the beginning
(09:54:29) (Raleigh) so yes its hard
(09:54:32) (MarkH) it's glady being of service
(09:54:33) (@host-Lynn) Why? What IS his will. I thought he loved us.
(09:54:46) (~Blu) practice makes perfect
(09:54:48) (@host-Lynn) What is God´s will for us, basically?
(09:55:05) (@host-Lynn) Is it to fast, to flagellate ourselves.
(09:55:10) (MarkH) to love one another?
(09:55:25) (@host-Lynn) right Mark. And when we love people, don´t we feel good?
(09:55:25) (MarkH) as he loves us
(09:55:28) (~Blu) God is Love
(09:55:48) (@host-Lynn) Doesn´t it feel awful when we´re mad at someone? It feels awful to me.
(09:55:50) (Raleigh) his will is written / his commandments
(09:55:53) (Cris) Interesting things happen to us when we let go and let God in our lives
(09:56:11) (~Blu) Depends, anger can be a great impetus
(09:56:15) (@host-Lynn) What if we deliberately tried doing what he said with a happy face and found out it was fun?
(09:56:35) (@host-Lynn) Right again, Blu. It is a great impetus. Gives us the energy.
(09:56:37) (Raleigh) pay tithing with a smile?
(09:56:39) (Raleigh) :)
(09:56:46) (@host-Lynn) You pay. I smile. lol
(09:56:46) (~Blu) there you go Ral!
(09:57:15) (Raleigh) thoughts make behavior make habits /
(09:57:16) (@host-Lynn) I think tithing puts us under the law. I made an agreement, you tell me how much to give and when. Then I give.
(09:57:31) (@host-Lynn) I tried to change it back to tithing. God said he liked the first agreement. LOL
(09:57:58) (@host-Lynn) What is the will of a loving father for his son and daughter?
(09:58:06) (@host-Lynn) What do you want for your kids?
(09:58:21) (MarkH) to be happy and free
(09:58:28) (MarkH) ?
(09:58:40) (@host-Lynn) Do you think that might be what God wants for us, happy and free?
(09:58:47) (~Blu) I want my kids to know and love God
(09:58:48) (Raleigh) we are to follow his law
(09:58:54) (~Blu) what ever that means to them
(09:58:56) (MarkH) to be with him?
(09:59:10) (@host-Lynn) We are talking about God´s will. What is God's will. Is it surrender with a sigh. Is it doing the Martyr act. Or is it having fun?
(09:59:20) (Raleigh) jesus did spirit of the law / that is even more strick than the letter of the law //
(09:59:54) (@host-Lynn) If I love someone, and I give him a gift on the birthday, is that law? Or is it want to?
(10:00:02) (~Blu) each occassion is different and unique to the soul
(10:00:06) (Raleigh) gods will is we obey him //
(10:00:10) (@host-Lynn) absolutely, Blu
(10:00:32) (@host-Lynn) But how do we obey him? Does God want us to have fun? What is fun?
(10:01:02) (Raleigh) that would vary person to person
(10:01:09) (~Blu) fun means different things to different people
(10:01:15) (@host-Lynn) Too many times, thy will is done with resignation. OK cause I gotta. Why can´t we get all happy about helping our neighbors and having adventure?
(10:01:20) (MarkH) i said happy not fun,..there's a differace
(10:01:37) (@host-Lynn) What is the difference to you Mark?
(10:01:52) (@host-Lynn) Is fun sinful or something?
(10:02:03) (~Blu) The thing is we want to RULE! But we can not
(10:02:07) (@host-Lynn) These are questions that have shaped history and societies.
(10:02:20) (@host-Lynn) I don´t want to rule. Too much trouble. LOL
(10:02:22) (~Blu) There is good fun and bad fun
(10:02:46) (~Blu) Like meth, heard it's fun, but don't give me any
(09:29:35) (@host-Lynn) Ok, I´m going to begin now.
(09:29:40) (@host-Lynn) Creator God, you who made lights in the heaven and gave them to us for signs, bless us with courage of Aries, appreciation of Taurus, intelligence of Gemini, compassion of Cancer, dignity of Leo, purity of Virgo, justice of Libra, resurrection of Scorpio, seeking of Sagittarius, determination of Capricorn, generosity of Aquarius and mysticism of Pisces.
(09:29:45) (~WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(09:29:50) (Raleigh) Amen
(09:30:01) (@host-Lynn) Amen
(09:30:03) (@host-Lynn)
(09:30:08) (~Blu) Amen
(09:30:20) (@host-Lynn) There is so much treasure within us. Each of the astrology archetypes, (signs and planets) is found within our individual horoscopes. Each is found within our this lifetime identity.
(09:30:24) (Cris) Amen
(09:30:34) (@host-Lynn) God, Itself, abides within us. Cayce told us if we do not find God within us, we will never find him without.
(09:30:51) (@host-Lynn) One energy pattern that is within each of us is ego. Cayce often refers to "self." I feel certain, Cayce was referring to negative ego and not to the positive individual identity of the potential companion of God.
(09:31:11) (@host-Lynn) Let´s think together for a while. I have some questions to help us look at EGO. We can use what we understand. Understanding turns the light on and the shadows disappear.
(09:31:16) (~Blu) I agree Lynn
(09:31:20) (@host-Lynn) That´s what you said you were doing, Ral.
(09:31:29) (@host-Lynn) Thanks, Blu
(09:31:32) (Raleigh) hummm
(09:31:53) (@host-Lynn) Here´s a question for you.
(09:31:56) (@host-Lynn) In the presence of true confidence in our true selves and our creator, would there be any need for negative ego? Why or why not?
(09:32:15) (Raleigh) be humble / meek
(09:32:27) (@host-Lynn) Why are we afraid to be humble?
(09:33:08) (~Blu) That is a hard question
(09:33:12) (@host-Lynn) Maybe we think we have to show how big and bad we are so no one attacks us.
(09:33:12) (~Blu) I need to think
(09:33:26) (Raleigh) cause it feels like lowering oneself
(09:33:36) (Raleigh) ?
(09:33:41) (@host-Lynn) And why is it dangerous to lower oneself, Ral?
(09:33:57) (~Blu) Ah yes, setting self aside
(09:34:04) (Raleigh) you are used
(09:34:10) (~Blu) like Jesus washing the feet of the deciples
(09:34:16) (@host-Lynn) I think self is what we call EGO. Do you agree?
(09:34:26) (Raleigh) k
(09:34:32) (~Blu) a negative aspect yes
(09:34:34) (@host-Lynn) ok, I´ll continue now
(09:34:52) (@host-Lynn) Many philosophers and metaphysical leaders believe we are growing into our God potential. Ego can be transformed into a positive expression of our own self worth. The God in you is just as important as the God in anyone else. Cayce often spoke of having compassion and love for one´s true self.
(09:36:24) (@host-Lynn) Our ego is usually reflected in our Sun Sign. My astrology teacher, Honey, said we see ourselves as our Sun Sign. Others, more often, see us as our rising sign.
(09:36:40) (Raleigh) honey / :)
(09:36:42) (@host-Lynn) Here´s a quickie summation of EGO as it may express through the signs:
(09:37:00) (@host-Lynn) Aries - "Me first!" Taurus - "security" Gemini - "smarter than the average bear" Cancer - "me and mine" Leo - "I rule" Virgo - "I know what´s best for you." Libra - "It´s not fair!" Scorpio - "I want!" Sagittarius - "Don´t fence me in." Capricorn - "Respect me." Aquarius - "I´m different." Pisces "I escape."
(09:37:24) (@host-Lynn) I´m going to post a very short article I wrote concerning the ego. Then let´s talk about it.
(09:37:37) (@host-Lynn) Here´s the article....EGO
(09:37:59) (@host-Lynn) Each of us has created a slave master called EGO. We confuse our created identity, EGO, with our true identity. We come to believe EGO is ME. That is not so!
(09:38:19) (@host-Lynn) EGO is a cruel taskmaster. When EGO is threatened, we'll do just about anything to save face. We will devote our lives to serving EGO. We will give every thing, including our souls, to satisfy this evil taskmaster.
(09:38:42) (@host-Lynn) Some of us, who are on a spiritual path, come to believe we have finally overcome EGO. We are free. Hah! Comes a threat to EGO. Alarms go off! We forget what we were striving for.
(09:38:59) (@host-Lynn) How dare anyone threaten the survival of our slave driver, EGO!
(09:39:17) (@host-Lynn) We feel the whip on our backs. We fight, argue, get violent and strut like roosters. Sometimes we just do the "Never speak to you again," routine. This is not the way we want to behave. But we do!!!!
(09:39:37) (@host-Lynn) The war cry of EGO, "Behold, there is none like unto me! I am the greatest."
(09:40:17) (@host-Lynn) Truth is, there are many like unto me. There are many who can do some things better than I can, just as there are some things I can do better than many can.
(09:40:31) (@host-Lynn) Each one of us has an individual role to fill that is ours alone but that is interdependent on the roles of others. We are not only ones.
(09:40:31) (@host-Lynn) Each one of us has an individual role to fill that is ours alone but that is interdependent on the roles of others. We are not only ones.
(09:40:44) (@host-Lynn) WIS shared with me that we are one winged angels. We can only fly together.
(09:40:54) (@host-Lynn) See, WIS, I pay attention to what you say. LOL
(09:41:06) (~Blu) ;-D
(09:41:14) (@host-Lynn) EGO talk, and EGO thinking is mighty dangerous. God will not have his glory stolen.
(09:41:35) (@host-Lynn) Blessed be God, he loves us enough that he will not allow his beloved children to be forever victims of the slave master, EGO.
(09:42:06) (@host-Lynn) Now let´s discuss EGO. Here are some questions to start things off.
(09:42:25) (@host-Lynn) Is EGO the same as self confidence? If not, what is the difference?
(09:42:34) (@host-Lynn) What do you say?
(09:42:57) (Raleigh) ego is faulse pride?
(09:43:06) (@host-Lynn) What makes it false, Ral?
(09:43:15) (Raleigh) self confidence is good//
(09:43:31) (@host-Lynn) What´s the difference. What makes self confidence good?
(09:43:40) (Raleigh) its how we are taught by the world
(09:43:45) (@host-Lynn) I wonder if the Philosopher archetype will get away with this.
(09:43:47) (@host-Lynn) LOL
(09:44:07) (~Blu) LOL
(09:44:22) (@host-Lynn) Like you said, Ral, you think.
(09:44:29) (@host-Lynn) Here´s another to toss out.
(09:44:31) (@host-Lynn) What is the difference between the positive self, created by God to become a companion of God and EGO?
(09:44:49) (MarkH) ego is same as lower self?
(09:45:02) (@host-Lynn) what is lower self? Mark Please explain
(09:45:03) (Raleigh) good 1 mark
(09:45:12) (~Blu) seems like it to me
(09:45:23) (@host-Lynn) What does lower self mean?
(09:45:35) (Cris) Ego is the attention getting part of us self confidence is simply kowing you can do something without bragging
(09:45:41) (Raleigh) once again / worldly things
(09:45:49) (@host-Lynn) Good Cris.
(09:45:57) (MarkH) lower self is the one that only thinks of self rather than others
(09:46:03) (@host-Lynn) Maybe that´s what Jesus said about not flaunting your good works before ment.
(09:46:05) (Raleigh) ty cris
(09:46:13) (Cris) You don't have to shout is you can quietly accomplish something
(09:46:19) (@host-Lynn) Mark, I agree. Perhaps we need the US MIND SET?
(09:46:25) (@host-Lynn) I just shouted.
(09:46:27) (@host-Lynn) Ought oh
(09:46:40) (@host-Lynn) You are right, Cris.
(09:47:07) (@host-Lynn) Wasn´t it Ford who said you can accomplish anything if you don´t care who gets the credit
(09:47:28) (@host-Lynn) Next question
(09:47:31) (@host-Lynn) Is personality something apart from EGO? Are we really our personalities or is personality something we create?
(09:48:14) (~Blu) personality is something we use to get by in this physical condition, but it is not who we are
(09:48:30) (@host-Lynn) Awesome, Blu. We use it to get by.
(09:48:30) (MarkH) i get a little mixed up with this one
(09:48:37) (Raleigh) i think we are born with our personality set /
(09:48:43) (~Blu) Cayce says to let more and more of the higher self to manifest
(09:48:44) (@host-Lynn) ok, Mark. What is personality.
(09:48:48) (Cris) It is a set of clothes worn for a reason
(09:49:02) (~Blu) right Cris
(09:49:03) (@host-Lynn) Exactly! Cris, you good. A set of clothes.
(09:49:14) (@host-Lynn) When do we begin assembling this set of clothese called personality?
(09:49:21) (Cris) Just think of how we act with different people it is't always the same persona that we are showing everyone
(09:49:32) (@host-Lynn) True
(09:49:34) (Cris) We have the mother persona, the wife, the worker and the freind
(09:49:41) (@host-Lynn) Yes
(09:49:42) (~Blu) true Cris
(09:49:55) (Cris) Our essence does not change
(09:50:17) (MarkH) our higher self can come out in our personality
(09:50:24) (@host-Lynn) mother, Cancer wife Taurus worker Virgo friend Aquarius
(09:50:26) (Cris) I agree mark
(09:50:42) (@host-Lynn) Mark, how does the higher self come out in our personality. Tell us more, please.
(09:51:07) (~Blu) There is a meditation that shows you how to set the personality aside and shift to the higher consciousness. You can feel it leave the body and go to the outer aura
(09:51:11) (MarkH) like do gods will,..not ours
(09:51:12) (@host-Lynn) How can we do it, manifest higher self?
(09:51:26) (@host-Lynn) Good, Mark. Thank you.
(09:51:27) (~Blu) by setting self aside
(09:51:33) (Cris) I'd love to learn that meditation Blu
(09:51:38) (@host-Lynn) Question.....does God´s will and our will have to be different?
(09:51:49) (Raleigh) we make
(09:51:58) (~Blu) that is a Van Auken meditation Cris, I will see if I have the tape
(09:52:02) (Raleigh) gods will is we follow his commands /
(09:52:09) (Cris) If we allow ourselves to be we are an expression of God's wll by working with him
(09:52:14) (Raleigh) and to love one each other
(09:52:26) (@host-Lynn) I think its sort of like a pilot in an airplane. He better pay attention to the Navigator who sees more and really knows what is happening.
(09:52:33) (~Blu) we must surrender to god, to make our will one with His
(09:52:44) (@host-Lynn) How do we surrender?
(09:52:55) (Raleigh) empty self
(09:53:00) (~Blu) It's a choice, you say, Thy will be done and mean it!
(09:53:04) (Cris) By asking where we are needed now
(09:53:06) (@host-Lynn) How do we do that.
(09:53:12) (Raleigh) meditation
(09:53:15) (~Blu) Don't say thy will be done then go cuss everybody!
(09:53:24) (@host-Lynn) Does Thy Will be done really mean, Dang I don´t wanna but I´ll let you have your way?
(09:53:41) (MarkH) no
(09:53:45) (~Blu) It might in the begining Lynn
(09:54:07) (@host-Lynn) Maybe if we put God´s word to the test and found out it worked, we would WANT to follow the Navigator who sees more than the pilot
(09:54:10) (~Blu) In my experience I have been obedient even when I did not want to be
(09:54:19) (Raleigh) we are natually wanting to go against his will
(09:54:19) (@host-Lynn) I like that Blu, It might in the beginning
(09:54:29) (Raleigh) so yes its hard
(09:54:32) (MarkH) it's glady being of service
(09:54:33) (@host-Lynn) Why? What IS his will. I thought he loved us.
(09:54:46) (~Blu) practice makes perfect
(09:54:48) (@host-Lynn) What is God´s will for us, basically?
(09:55:05) (@host-Lynn) Is it to fast, to flagellate ourselves.
(09:55:10) (MarkH) to love one another?
(09:55:25) (@host-Lynn) right Mark. And when we love people, don´t we feel good?
(09:55:25) (MarkH) as he loves us
(09:55:28) (~Blu) God is Love
(09:55:48) (@host-Lynn) Doesn´t it feel awful when we´re mad at someone? It feels awful to me.
(09:55:50) (Raleigh) his will is written / his commandments
(09:55:53) (Cris) Interesting things happen to us when we let go and let God in our lives
(09:56:11) (~Blu) Depends, anger can be a great impetus
(09:56:15) (@host-Lynn) What if we deliberately tried doing what he said with a happy face and found out it was fun?
(09:56:35) (@host-Lynn) Right again, Blu. It is a great impetus. Gives us the energy.
(09:56:37) (Raleigh) pay tithing with a smile?
(09:56:39) (Raleigh) :)
(09:56:46) (@host-Lynn) You pay. I smile. lol
(09:56:46) (~Blu) there you go Ral!
(09:57:15) (Raleigh) thoughts make behavior make habits /
(09:57:16) (@host-Lynn) I think tithing puts us under the law. I made an agreement, you tell me how much to give and when. Then I give.
(09:57:31) (@host-Lynn) I tried to change it back to tithing. God said he liked the first agreement. LOL
(09:57:58) (@host-Lynn) What is the will of a loving father for his son and daughter?
(09:58:06) (@host-Lynn) What do you want for your kids?
(09:58:21) (MarkH) to be happy and free
(09:58:28) (MarkH) ?
(09:58:40) (@host-Lynn) Do you think that might be what God wants for us, happy and free?
(09:58:47) (~Blu) I want my kids to know and love God
(09:58:48) (Raleigh) we are to follow his law
(09:58:54) (~Blu) what ever that means to them
(09:58:56) (MarkH) to be with him?
(09:59:10) (@host-Lynn) We are talking about God´s will. What is God's will. Is it surrender with a sigh. Is it doing the Martyr act. Or is it having fun?
(09:59:20) (Raleigh) jesus did spirit of the law / that is even more strick than the letter of the law //
(09:59:54) (@host-Lynn) If I love someone, and I give him a gift on the birthday, is that law? Or is it want to?
(10:00:02) (~Blu) each occassion is different and unique to the soul
(10:00:06) (Raleigh) gods will is we obey him //
(10:00:10) (@host-Lynn) absolutely, Blu
(10:00:32) (@host-Lynn) But how do we obey him? Does God want us to have fun? What is fun?
(10:01:02) (Raleigh) that would vary person to person
(10:01:09) (~Blu) fun means different things to different people
(10:01:15) (@host-Lynn) Too many times, thy will is done with resignation. OK cause I gotta. Why can´t we get all happy about helping our neighbors and having adventure?
(10:01:20) (MarkH) i said happy not fun,..there's a differace
(10:01:37) (@host-Lynn) What is the difference to you Mark?
(10:01:52) (@host-Lynn) Is fun sinful or something?
(10:02:03) (~Blu) The thing is we want to RULE! But we can not
(10:02:07) (@host-Lynn) These are questions that have shaped history and societies.
(10:02:20) (@host-Lynn) I don´t want to rule. Too much trouble. LOL
(10:02:22) (~Blu) There is good fun and bad fun
(10:02:46) (~Blu) Like meth, heard it's fun, but don't give me any
