Post by WalksInSpirit on Oct 28, 2006 23:44:15 GMT -5
The Great Migration:
Part Six: 10-28-06
The Mound Builders & North American Indians
Part Six: 10-28-06
The Mound Builders & North American Indians
Good Evening. Edgar Cayce's A.R.E. Chat Room welcomes you to Saturday Night Chat, Hosted By WalksInSpirit & Blu. Tonight's Topic: "The Great Migration: Part Six: The Mound Builders And The North American Indians"
(09:40:08) (Meg) thank you Host, i am interested in The North American Indisna, since i am from Central New York State
(09:40:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cool, Meg! I got some interesting stuff tonight! We'll hold a couple more minutes, then get rollin!
(09:41:06) (Meg) my hubby is part indian, but his grandma tryed to keep it a secret
(09:41:22) (crystal) that's too bad Meg
(09:41:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Lotta people did. Not out of shame, but out of fear.
(09:41:23) (Meg) he looks indian
(09:42:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It's good to see people coming back to their heritage and being proud again.
(09:42:06) (Meg) Host, that is probably so
(09:42:44) (crystal) yes, WIS I believe if you can't be proud of where you came from, that's a lot of issues there
(09:43:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Oh, it's definitely so. My Grandmother went to an Indian School - run by Indian Agents and her best friend spoke a Comanche word one day and they heard her and washed her mouth out with lye soap. She lost her voice, because the lye burned through her vocal chords.
(09:43:52) (merri) How awful!!!
(09:44:01) (ernie) that is wrong
(09:44:15) (Meg) wow, Host, that is really so sad, makes me sick
(09:44:31) (crystal) oh WIS, how terrible
(09:44:43) (Cris) A lot of horrible things were done to kids back then
(09:44:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And it is still legal in Texas to kill a Comanche. They have never struck that law from the books!
(09:45:04) (crystal) yes, it goes for most of the old countries
(09:45:14) (Meg) Host, no way
(09:45:18) (crystal) are you seriousely WIS?
(09:45:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, I am serious.
(09:45:24) (ernie) i bet '
(09:45:30) (Cris) That needs to be amended
(09:45:37) (crystal) for sure Cris
(09:45:57) (Meg) i can not even kill an ant
(09:46:27) (Meg) that's the way i am
(09:47:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Well, if yall are ready, we'll get started up!
(09:47:51) (crystal) great
(09:48:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I'll say a prayer to get us started off right! ;-)
(09:49:51) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Holy Father, we thank You for all the many blessings You have given us. Father, we ask that You'd touch us all with Your never-ending Love, Peace, Wisdom, and Understanding. Help us to always walk our paths in beauty. In Your Holy Name, we pray these things, Nunwe
(09:49:55) (ernie) Amen '
(09:50:09) (Cris) Amen
(09:50:09) (merri) Amen
(09:50:15) (crystal) Amen
(09:50:29) (Meg) thank you , Amen
(09:53:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I also want to remind you all to please stop me at any point for questions, comments, discussion points, etc. After all, this is not a lecture! This is a chat! And we all benefit more and learn more when we can discuss the material, than if I just ran through it without discussing any of it! We all learn from each other!
(09:53:34) (merri) TY WIS
(09:53:51) (Meg) ok ty host
(09:54:04) (crystal) great WIS, ty...:D
(09:54:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Part Six: The Mound Builders And The North American Indians
(09:54:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) For many years, after the coming of the first settlers to the east coast, the great hillocks and embankments of the Mound Builders remained unnoticed, perhaps partly because, even then, they were so ancient that many of them were covered with tall old trees. All attention was, at first, centered on the regions east of the Allegheny Mountains.
(09:54:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is interesting to learn that Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, William Henry Harrison, and Noah Webster were among the first to recognize the mounds as American antiquities, worthy of note, and worth exploring.
(09:55:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Harrison credited them to the Aztecs, but later investigators and explorers were convinced they were the work of predecessors of the American Indians then occupying that area.
(09:55:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) No one, at that early date, had the temerity to suggest that the Mound Builders might have been alien to the scene, strangers from vanished continents.
(09:55:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is in the Edgar Cayce Readings that we catch glimpses of tumults, catastrophes, and resulting movements of people, meeting, mixing, separating, in search of homes in a new land.
(09:56:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that we find the entity was in the Yucatan land where the groups gathered from the Atlantean land. The entity was rather of the natives but able to embrace and to become a part of the general activities there.
(09:56:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Thus becoming an associate or companion to one of those who were set in authority in the land.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 5255-1
(09:56:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Iltar, a leader and a priest, had left Atlantis with “some ten individuals” of Poseidia, and had found temporary security in Yucatan, to the west. As a follower of the Law Of One and of the house of Atlan, he had erected temples in the new country.
(09:57:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) However, with the final upheaval that followed sinking of the last of the Atlantean islands, these temples were destroyed and the contours of the then Yucatan and Mexico areas were changed.
(09:57:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) With the Atlanteans in Yucatan were refugees from Mu, people from Oz and Og in Peru, some of the Incas and also those “of the Mosaic influence.”
(09:58:20) (Host-WalksInSpirit) But this heterogeneous mixture of people, according to the Readings:
(09:58:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “…those in Yucatan, those in the adjoining lands as begun by Iltar, gradually lost in their activities, and came to be that people termed, in other portions of America, the Mound Builders.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 5750-1
(09:59:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Attesting to the great numbers of people who came from the Gulf Of Mexico and wandered northward, are the 5,000 or more tumuli (mounds) to be found in Ohio alone. This seems to have been the point of greatest concentration.
(09:59:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) However, the mounds are not confined to any one state; they are scattered over at least twenty states, including those bordering on the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers and their tributaries, from the Great Lakes to the Gulf Of Mexico and even as far west as the Dakotas.
(10:00:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) John Wesley Powell, the Grand Canyon explorer, who was deeply interested in Indians and their problems, speculated that the Mound Builders were a powerful people, superior to the Indians, and much advanced in such arts as making pottery, metal-working and weaving.
(10:00:25) (Meg) very interesting
(10:00:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) That the original Mound Builders had made an attempt to secure their homesites is seen in the military characteristics of some of their clay and dirt monuments, especially those of Fort Ancient and Fort Hill.
(10:01:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=14427 (Click on the picture for a larger view) The mounds were mainly built to honor the dead, but some of them apparently were used for religious purposes and dwellings, though ordinarily the village sites were adjacent to the mounds.
(10:01:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Stripped of everything except their innate skill, the Mound Builders seemed to be trying to achieve order and harmony in their lives, while establishing friendly relations with the aboriginal people into whose country they had intruded.
(10:02:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity was among those near a place now known as the mounds of the natives of the land, or in the Talladega area, and among those peoples of the Talladega Indians, as they are called, but rather of those that had made and did make for the associations with the periods of the white man, the red man.
(10:02:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity then, as an Indian maiden in the name Telula, gave much to her own peoples in making for the associations that brought the relationships that had not existed with these peoples at that time;
(10:02:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) yet losing in the latter portion of same by the associations that brought activities in material relations that brought harm, in that they produced hate in the associations at the time.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 518-1
(10:03:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that we find the entity was in the land of the present nativity, during those periods when there were the spreadings of those teachings that had come from the lands from which those peoples came that were known as the Lost Tribes, as well as from Atlantis, Yucatan, the Inca, and the land of On [?]. [Og?]
(10:03:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They were portions of the entity's people then, in that part of the land now known as the central portion of Ohio, during the early portion of the Mound Builders. There the entity was a priestess of those peoples that were a part of the experiences there of those peoples.
(10:04:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) For while confusions arose from the tenets of the Hebraic as well as the Atlantean, as well as the Inca, these became centralized or localized in the expressions of those peoples and those groups in that particular period of their activity.
(10:04:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yet the greater blessings that the entity in its activity rendered the people in that experience were in the building of individual homes.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1286-1
(10:05:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The building of mounds of the loved dead is not peculiar to the Mound Builders of America; Alexander The Great heaped a tumulus over the body of his friend Hephaestion at a great cost, and fallen heroes of the Trojan War were similarly honored.
(10:06:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The great beehive graves in southern Greece, near the ancient city of Mycenae, may be variants of mound building, with stone used instead of dirt.
(10:06:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Archeologists have uncovered several cultures, the oldest being the finest. More than one wave of travelers, working northward from the Gulf Of Mexico is indicated in the following:
(10:07:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that the entity was in the land of the present sojourn, during the early activities of a peoples that had been banished from Atlantis. The entity was among those of the second generation of Atlanteans who struggled northward from Yucatan, settling in what is now a portion of Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio; being among those of the earlier period known as Mound Builders.
(10:07:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Then the entity was among those who supplied to the peoples the fruits of the soil, learning how to crack corn, wheat and grain, that it might be prepared into foods through cooking - though much in those periods was taken raw.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 3528-1
(10:08:36) (Meg) not Tenn. ?
(10:09:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) There are some beautiful ones there, Meg. All through the southeast. I dunno why he didn't mention them?
(10:10:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Another reading for a Pennsylvanian noted that the person considered had lived in that area in a previous life.
(10:10:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before this the entity was in the land of the present nativity, especially in that period of the Mound Builders - a little farther to the west; when there was the laying out of the plans for those interpretations that had been a consciousness in another organization or group to which the entity had previously belong or been a part.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 3004-1
(10:11:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The mounds range from conical ones a few feet high to rectangular ones 100 feet high that cover up to 16 acres. In all, some 100,000 such mounds have been counted so far. Some are square; a few are flat-topped, though most of them are rectangular or round.
(10:11:44) (Wanda) There is a mound on the Pamunky Reservation near me. Legend has it that Powatan is buried there. (Father of Pocahantas)
(10:11:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (Bear in mind, this was written in 1970, so there's probably more than 100,000 discovered by now.)
(10:12:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, Wanda! Cayce gave him a reading!
(10:12:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We're gonna get to that. It's cool!
(10:13:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The flat-topped ones may have been used as temples, but they were generally supposed to have been burial places, since bones, skeletons and artifacts have been in them.
(10:13:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cayce further noted in the above reading that the mounds were representative of the Yucatan, Atlantis and Gobiland experiences and that all were as one consciousness in the activity of the entity for whom he was reading the Akashic records.
(10:14:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “There the entity was the priestess. And there may be seen some of those activities that are a part of the awareness to some in that land of Ohio, where there were those plans for such, in the mounds that were called the replica or representative of the Yucatan experiences, as well as the Atlantean and in Gobi land.
(10:14:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) All of these are as one consciousness in the entity's activity.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 3004-1
(10:14:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A possible connection with Quetzalcoatl and the early builders of Palenque might be suspected because the greatest of the effigy mounds is the Great Serpent Mound in southern Ohio.
(10:15:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/serp/hd_serp.htm The head of the serpent is on a rock cliff, 100 feet high, and overlooks the waters of Brush Creek. The body ends in a triple coil 1,000 feet to the south.
(10:15:31) (merri) what do you think he means when saying "All of these are as one consciousness?"
(10:15:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The total length of the mound is 1,330 feet and in the open mouth of the snake there is an egg-shaped mound, which the snake seems intent on swallowing.
(10:15:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide-2970386-action-imgsearch-serpent_mound_columbus-i (click on picture to enlarge) groups.msn.com/Archaeology/greatserpentmound.msnw
(10:16:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I have been wondering about that, Merri.
(10:16:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I thought, maybe that he was sayin that they were the same? as in, alike?
(10:16:39) (Wanda) going to check that one out for sure WIS
(10:17:23) (Richard) Me too WIS.
(10:17:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) That makes the most sense to me.
(10:17:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) What do yall think?
(10:18:04) (merri) maybe the same lesson?
(10:19:02) (Meg) merri, i think it has to do with the Christ Consciousness,
(10:19:04) (Richard) Being in that part of the country myself WIS I have a deep feeling for it. I also see a strong connection to the Book of Mormon.
(10:19:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) yep, now that could be, too
(10:19:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cool, Richard!
(10:19:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Strangely, the Great Serpent Mound was built outside the general region of the Ohio mounds. This mound, now a state park, was not a burial mound. The Hopi Indians of Arizona claim that they built it as they went “home” after a trip to the east coast.
(10:20:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Many theories have been advanced to account for the disappearance of the Mound Builders before the arrival of the white men. One is that they followed the American Bison as the herds pushed westward to the Plains, and that they mixed with other early tribes, losing their identity.
(10:20:42) (Wanda) Wonder how long their stop over was to build such a thing
(10:21:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Had to be a long, long time. Remember... it took the Aztecs two centuries to go from the Colorado River to their present homeland.
(10:22:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) cause they'd stop and plant their crops and wait for the harvest, so they'd have provisions to go on.
(10:22:33) (merri) right
(10:22:36) (Meg) all of what any of us believe have to do with the Highest Within us which is the Christ Consciousness
(10:22:46) (Meg) has to do
(10:22:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Sometimes, however, it is blamed on the fierce members of the Five Nations as set up by the Iroquois Indians.
(10:23:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Iroquois, the Readings tell us, were the direct descendants of the Atlanteans:
(10:23:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity then was among the people, the Indians, of the Iroquois; those of noble birth, those that were of the pure descendants of the Atlanteans, those that held to the ritualistic influences from nature itself. For the entity then was a chieftain's daughter, and in the name Huloi - or Running Water.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1219-1
(10:24:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The historic confederacy of the Iroquois is thought to have taken place about thirty years before the coming of the white man, or about 1570. www.tolatsga.org/iro.html
(10:24:06) (Richard) They where a peculiar people... The word Kentucky in their language means the Tomorrow Land.
(10:24:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Wow! I didn't know that, Richard!
(10:25:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The tribes originally represented in the group were the Mohawks, Onondagas, Cayugas and Senecas. Later the Tuscaroras were included. During the colonial period they occupied territories in the northern, eastern, and southeastern sections of the United States.
(10:25:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Because they were able to get guns from the incoming white men, they were able to subdue many of the smaller tribes and they are credited with the breaking up of the once strong Algonquin confederation, vulnerable because its component tribes were widely scattered.
(10:26:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A powerful Algonquin chief, Powhatan, was the subject of a portion of another life reading:
(10:26:13) (Richard) The six nations also taught the white man how to build a government... they even had a bill of rights.
(10:26:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Now, I thought this was interesting. Cayce gave Powhatan a life reading!
(10:26:36) (Wanda) Cool
(10:26:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before this the entity was in the land of the present nativity, during those periods when there was peace among the natives and the settlers. The entity made for that which brought to the young the schoolings, the teachings, the religious activities that made for what may be termed -
(10:27:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) NOW - as a development in self as well as in the abilities of those with whom the entity was associated in understanding woodcraft, in understanding those things pertaining to trails, in understanding those things pertaining to the activities for physical prowess of the individuals. The name then was Phtwahan [Powhatan].” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1094-1
(10:27:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) www.apva.org/ngex/chief.html
(10:28:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Powhatan
(10:29:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) After the chief’s death there were many conflicts with the increasing groups of white settlers and his people dwindled to about 700. The mixed-blood remnants are now known as Chickahominys, Pawmunkeys, and by other tribal names.
(10:30:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) One of the great stories of the early days of the white men in the United States concerns a daughter of Powhatan. This Indian princess, Pocahontas, is credited with having saved the life of Captain John Smith, and of later marrying John Rolfe, who took her with him to England.
(10:30:10) (Wanda) and the Mattaponi
(10:30:55) (Wanda) and Rappahannocks
(10:30:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cool, Wanda! I didn't know that! That's like the Cherokees. There's Chickamaugas & other sub-tribes
(10:31:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Reading 1207-1 apparently alludes to this girl, although by another name.
(10:31:23) (Wanda) They all live around here. Taught many of them
(10:31:51) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (I’d like to clear up a popular myth, here. Apparently, the author didn’t know any better, but there are no “Indian Princesses,” nor have there ever been. The concept of Royalty and Monarchy is a European one, brought here and applied to Indian people, by the Europeans. It would be more fitting to say Pocahontas was the Chief’s daughter.
(10:32:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) But there was no monarchy within American Indian cultures. That’s a European thing. The popular “Indian Princess” does not, nor has she ever, existed in any American Indian culture. That label is a misnomer applied by Europeans, and has been perpetuated through the years.)
(10:32:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before this we find the entity was in the land of its present sojourn, among those peoples that were of the greater spiritually developed natives in the eastern borders of the land.
(10:33:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity then was a daughter to the chief Powhatan medicine man, or in the name Tuluawa, or Snow White; that made for such associations with the activities of the individuals during those periods when there were the understandings as created by the activities of Powhatan - as the associations with those that came to be dwellers in the land.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1207-1
(10:33:39) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is noted in this reading that she, Pocahontas, carried to “other lands” interpretations of the chants and other things of importance in the Indian way of life, and in this way helped in bringing about better understanding between peoples.
(10:34:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The second daughter of Powhatan, Night Bird, was, according to another reading, even more noteworthy than her more famous sister.
(10:34:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Hence we find, as the daughter - the second daughter of Powhatan, bringing into the experience much that made for material and mental advancement; not only for self and for its own peoples but for all of the nations.
(10:34:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) For the whole history, from the material angle, was changed by the activities of the entity much more than by that entity who so far as history is concerned set the change.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1506-1
(10:35:20) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Another daughter of Powhatan, half-sister to Pocahontas, is also mentioned in the Readings.
(10:35:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “...the entity was then the princess to Powhatan’s peoples in Virginia and the name Rising Star, and a half-sister then of that noted one, Pocahontas…” – Edgar Cayce Reading 543-11
(10:36:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The girl eventually became a companion of a white man called Bainbridge and gained a great deal of land, but later lost faith in the white race, because of her consort.
(09:40:08) (Meg) thank you Host, i am interested in The North American Indisna, since i am from Central New York State
(09:40:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cool, Meg! I got some interesting stuff tonight! We'll hold a couple more minutes, then get rollin!
(09:41:06) (Meg) my hubby is part indian, but his grandma tryed to keep it a secret
(09:41:22) (crystal) that's too bad Meg
(09:41:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Lotta people did. Not out of shame, but out of fear.
(09:41:23) (Meg) he looks indian
(09:42:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It's good to see people coming back to their heritage and being proud again.
(09:42:06) (Meg) Host, that is probably so
(09:42:44) (crystal) yes, WIS I believe if you can't be proud of where you came from, that's a lot of issues there
(09:43:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Oh, it's definitely so. My Grandmother went to an Indian School - run by Indian Agents and her best friend spoke a Comanche word one day and they heard her and washed her mouth out with lye soap. She lost her voice, because the lye burned through her vocal chords.
(09:43:52) (merri) How awful!!!
(09:44:01) (ernie) that is wrong
(09:44:15) (Meg) wow, Host, that is really so sad, makes me sick
(09:44:31) (crystal) oh WIS, how terrible
(09:44:43) (Cris) A lot of horrible things were done to kids back then
(09:44:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) And it is still legal in Texas to kill a Comanche. They have never struck that law from the books!
(09:45:04) (crystal) yes, it goes for most of the old countries
(09:45:14) (Meg) Host, no way
(09:45:18) (crystal) are you seriousely WIS?
(09:45:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, I am serious.
(09:45:24) (ernie) i bet '
(09:45:30) (Cris) That needs to be amended
(09:45:37) (crystal) for sure Cris
(09:45:57) (Meg) i can not even kill an ant
(09:46:27) (Meg) that's the way i am
(09:47:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Well, if yall are ready, we'll get started up!
(09:47:51) (crystal) great
(09:48:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I'll say a prayer to get us started off right! ;-)
(09:49:51) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Holy Father, we thank You for all the many blessings You have given us. Father, we ask that You'd touch us all with Your never-ending Love, Peace, Wisdom, and Understanding. Help us to always walk our paths in beauty. In Your Holy Name, we pray these things, Nunwe
(09:49:55) (ernie) Amen '
(09:50:09) (Cris) Amen
(09:50:09) (merri) Amen
(09:50:15) (crystal) Amen
(09:50:29) (Meg) thank you , Amen
(09:53:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I also want to remind you all to please stop me at any point for questions, comments, discussion points, etc. After all, this is not a lecture! This is a chat! And we all benefit more and learn more when we can discuss the material, than if I just ran through it without discussing any of it! We all learn from each other!
(09:53:34) (merri) TY WIS
(09:53:51) (Meg) ok ty host
(09:54:04) (crystal) great WIS, ty...:D
(09:54:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Part Six: The Mound Builders And The North American Indians
(09:54:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) For many years, after the coming of the first settlers to the east coast, the great hillocks and embankments of the Mound Builders remained unnoticed, perhaps partly because, even then, they were so ancient that many of them were covered with tall old trees. All attention was, at first, centered on the regions east of the Allegheny Mountains.
(09:54:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is interesting to learn that Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, William Henry Harrison, and Noah Webster were among the first to recognize the mounds as American antiquities, worthy of note, and worth exploring.
(09:55:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Harrison credited them to the Aztecs, but later investigators and explorers were convinced they were the work of predecessors of the American Indians then occupying that area.
(09:55:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) No one, at that early date, had the temerity to suggest that the Mound Builders might have been alien to the scene, strangers from vanished continents.
(09:55:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is in the Edgar Cayce Readings that we catch glimpses of tumults, catastrophes, and resulting movements of people, meeting, mixing, separating, in search of homes in a new land.
(09:56:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that we find the entity was in the Yucatan land where the groups gathered from the Atlantean land. The entity was rather of the natives but able to embrace and to become a part of the general activities there.
(09:56:32) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Thus becoming an associate or companion to one of those who were set in authority in the land.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 5255-1
(09:56:58) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Iltar, a leader and a priest, had left Atlantis with “some ten individuals” of Poseidia, and had found temporary security in Yucatan, to the west. As a follower of the Law Of One and of the house of Atlan, he had erected temples in the new country.
(09:57:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) However, with the final upheaval that followed sinking of the last of the Atlantean islands, these temples were destroyed and the contours of the then Yucatan and Mexico areas were changed.
(09:57:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) With the Atlanteans in Yucatan were refugees from Mu, people from Oz and Og in Peru, some of the Incas and also those “of the Mosaic influence.”
(09:58:20) (Host-WalksInSpirit) But this heterogeneous mixture of people, according to the Readings:
(09:58:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “…those in Yucatan, those in the adjoining lands as begun by Iltar, gradually lost in their activities, and came to be that people termed, in other portions of America, the Mound Builders.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 5750-1
(09:59:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Attesting to the great numbers of people who came from the Gulf Of Mexico and wandered northward, are the 5,000 or more tumuli (mounds) to be found in Ohio alone. This seems to have been the point of greatest concentration.
(09:59:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) However, the mounds are not confined to any one state; they are scattered over at least twenty states, including those bordering on the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers and their tributaries, from the Great Lakes to the Gulf Of Mexico and even as far west as the Dakotas.
(10:00:12) (Host-WalksInSpirit) John Wesley Powell, the Grand Canyon explorer, who was deeply interested in Indians and their problems, speculated that the Mound Builders were a powerful people, superior to the Indians, and much advanced in such arts as making pottery, metal-working and weaving.
(10:00:25) (Meg) very interesting
(10:00:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) That the original Mound Builders had made an attempt to secure their homesites is seen in the military characteristics of some of their clay and dirt monuments, especially those of Fort Ancient and Fort Hill.
(10:01:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=14427 (Click on the picture for a larger view) The mounds were mainly built to honor the dead, but some of them apparently were used for religious purposes and dwellings, though ordinarily the village sites were adjacent to the mounds.
(10:01:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Stripped of everything except their innate skill, the Mound Builders seemed to be trying to achieve order and harmony in their lives, while establishing friendly relations with the aboriginal people into whose country they had intruded.
(10:02:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity was among those near a place now known as the mounds of the natives of the land, or in the Talladega area, and among those peoples of the Talladega Indians, as they are called, but rather of those that had made and did make for the associations with the periods of the white man, the red man.
(10:02:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity then, as an Indian maiden in the name Telula, gave much to her own peoples in making for the associations that brought the relationships that had not existed with these peoples at that time;
(10:02:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) yet losing in the latter portion of same by the associations that brought activities in material relations that brought harm, in that they produced hate in the associations at the time.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 518-1
(10:03:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that we find the entity was in the land of the present nativity, during those periods when there were the spreadings of those teachings that had come from the lands from which those peoples came that were known as the Lost Tribes, as well as from Atlantis, Yucatan, the Inca, and the land of On [?]. [Og?]
(10:03:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They were portions of the entity's people then, in that part of the land now known as the central portion of Ohio, during the early portion of the Mound Builders. There the entity was a priestess of those peoples that were a part of the experiences there of those peoples.
(10:04:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) For while confusions arose from the tenets of the Hebraic as well as the Atlantean, as well as the Inca, these became centralized or localized in the expressions of those peoples and those groups in that particular period of their activity.
(10:04:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yet the greater blessings that the entity in its activity rendered the people in that experience were in the building of individual homes.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1286-1
(10:05:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The building of mounds of the loved dead is not peculiar to the Mound Builders of America; Alexander The Great heaped a tumulus over the body of his friend Hephaestion at a great cost, and fallen heroes of the Trojan War were similarly honored.
(10:06:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The great beehive graves in southern Greece, near the ancient city of Mycenae, may be variants of mound building, with stone used instead of dirt.
(10:06:53) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Archeologists have uncovered several cultures, the oldest being the finest. More than one wave of travelers, working northward from the Gulf Of Mexico is indicated in the following:
(10:07:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that the entity was in the land of the present sojourn, during the early activities of a peoples that had been banished from Atlantis. The entity was among those of the second generation of Atlanteans who struggled northward from Yucatan, settling in what is now a portion of Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio; being among those of the earlier period known as Mound Builders.
(10:07:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Then the entity was among those who supplied to the peoples the fruits of the soil, learning how to crack corn, wheat and grain, that it might be prepared into foods through cooking - though much in those periods was taken raw.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 3528-1
(10:08:36) (Meg) not Tenn. ?
(10:09:37) (Host-WalksInSpirit) There are some beautiful ones there, Meg. All through the southeast. I dunno why he didn't mention them?
(10:10:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Another reading for a Pennsylvanian noted that the person considered had lived in that area in a previous life.
(10:10:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before this the entity was in the land of the present nativity, especially in that period of the Mound Builders - a little farther to the west; when there was the laying out of the plans for those interpretations that had been a consciousness in another organization or group to which the entity had previously belong or been a part.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 3004-1
(10:11:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The mounds range from conical ones a few feet high to rectangular ones 100 feet high that cover up to 16 acres. In all, some 100,000 such mounds have been counted so far. Some are square; a few are flat-topped, though most of them are rectangular or round.
(10:11:44) (Wanda) There is a mound on the Pamunky Reservation near me. Legend has it that Powatan is buried there. (Father of Pocahantas)
(10:11:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (Bear in mind, this was written in 1970, so there's probably more than 100,000 discovered by now.)
(10:12:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, Wanda! Cayce gave him a reading!
(10:12:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) We're gonna get to that. It's cool!
(10:13:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The flat-topped ones may have been used as temples, but they were generally supposed to have been burial places, since bones, skeletons and artifacts have been in them.
(10:13:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cayce further noted in the above reading that the mounds were representative of the Yucatan, Atlantis and Gobiland experiences and that all were as one consciousness in the activity of the entity for whom he was reading the Akashic records.
(10:14:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “There the entity was the priestess. And there may be seen some of those activities that are a part of the awareness to some in that land of Ohio, where there were those plans for such, in the mounds that were called the replica or representative of the Yucatan experiences, as well as the Atlantean and in Gobi land.
(10:14:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) All of these are as one consciousness in the entity's activity.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 3004-1
(10:14:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A possible connection with Quetzalcoatl and the early builders of Palenque might be suspected because the greatest of the effigy mounds is the Great Serpent Mound in southern Ohio.
(10:15:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/serp/hd_serp.htm The head of the serpent is on a rock cliff, 100 feet high, and overlooks the waters of Brush Creek. The body ends in a triple coil 1,000 feet to the south.
(10:15:31) (merri) what do you think he means when saying "All of these are as one consciousness?"
(10:15:35) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The total length of the mound is 1,330 feet and in the open mouth of the snake there is an egg-shaped mound, which the snake seems intent on swallowing.
(10:15:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide-2970386-action-imgsearch-serpent_mound_columbus-i (click on picture to enlarge) groups.msn.com/Archaeology/greatserpentmound.msnw
(10:16:05) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I have been wondering about that, Merri.
(10:16:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I thought, maybe that he was sayin that they were the same? as in, alike?
(10:16:39) (Wanda) going to check that one out for sure WIS
(10:17:23) (Richard) Me too WIS.
(10:17:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) That makes the most sense to me.
(10:17:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) What do yall think?
(10:18:04) (merri) maybe the same lesson?
(10:19:02) (Meg) merri, i think it has to do with the Christ Consciousness,
(10:19:04) (Richard) Being in that part of the country myself WIS I have a deep feeling for it. I also see a strong connection to the Book of Mormon.
(10:19:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) yep, now that could be, too
(10:19:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cool, Richard!
(10:19:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Strangely, the Great Serpent Mound was built outside the general region of the Ohio mounds. This mound, now a state park, was not a burial mound. The Hopi Indians of Arizona claim that they built it as they went “home” after a trip to the east coast.
(10:20:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Many theories have been advanced to account for the disappearance of the Mound Builders before the arrival of the white men. One is that they followed the American Bison as the herds pushed westward to the Plains, and that they mixed with other early tribes, losing their identity.
(10:20:42) (Wanda) Wonder how long their stop over was to build such a thing
(10:21:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Had to be a long, long time. Remember... it took the Aztecs two centuries to go from the Colorado River to their present homeland.
(10:22:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) cause they'd stop and plant their crops and wait for the harvest, so they'd have provisions to go on.
(10:22:33) (merri) right
(10:22:36) (Meg) all of what any of us believe have to do with the Highest Within us which is the Christ Consciousness
(10:22:46) (Meg) has to do
(10:22:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Sometimes, however, it is blamed on the fierce members of the Five Nations as set up by the Iroquois Indians.
(10:23:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Iroquois, the Readings tell us, were the direct descendants of the Atlanteans:
(10:23:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity then was among the people, the Indians, of the Iroquois; those of noble birth, those that were of the pure descendants of the Atlanteans, those that held to the ritualistic influences from nature itself. For the entity then was a chieftain's daughter, and in the name Huloi - or Running Water.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1219-1
(10:24:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The historic confederacy of the Iroquois is thought to have taken place about thirty years before the coming of the white man, or about 1570. www.tolatsga.org/iro.html
(10:24:06) (Richard) They where a peculiar people... The word Kentucky in their language means the Tomorrow Land.
(10:24:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Wow! I didn't know that, Richard!
(10:25:18) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The tribes originally represented in the group were the Mohawks, Onondagas, Cayugas and Senecas. Later the Tuscaroras were included. During the colonial period they occupied territories in the northern, eastern, and southeastern sections of the United States.
(10:25:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Because they were able to get guns from the incoming white men, they were able to subdue many of the smaller tribes and they are credited with the breaking up of the once strong Algonquin confederation, vulnerable because its component tribes were widely scattered.
(10:26:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A powerful Algonquin chief, Powhatan, was the subject of a portion of another life reading:
(10:26:13) (Richard) The six nations also taught the white man how to build a government... they even had a bill of rights.
(10:26:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Now, I thought this was interesting. Cayce gave Powhatan a life reading!
(10:26:36) (Wanda) Cool
(10:26:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before this the entity was in the land of the present nativity, during those periods when there was peace among the natives and the settlers. The entity made for that which brought to the young the schoolings, the teachings, the religious activities that made for what may be termed -
(10:27:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) NOW - as a development in self as well as in the abilities of those with whom the entity was associated in understanding woodcraft, in understanding those things pertaining to trails, in understanding those things pertaining to the activities for physical prowess of the individuals. The name then was Phtwahan [Powhatan].” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1094-1
(10:27:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) www.apva.org/ngex/chief.html
(10:28:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Powhatan
(10:29:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) After the chief’s death there were many conflicts with the increasing groups of white settlers and his people dwindled to about 700. The mixed-blood remnants are now known as Chickahominys, Pawmunkeys, and by other tribal names.
(10:30:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) One of the great stories of the early days of the white men in the United States concerns a daughter of Powhatan. This Indian princess, Pocahontas, is credited with having saved the life of Captain John Smith, and of later marrying John Rolfe, who took her with him to England.
(10:30:10) (Wanda) and the Mattaponi
(10:30:55) (Wanda) and Rappahannocks
(10:30:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cool, Wanda! I didn't know that! That's like the Cherokees. There's Chickamaugas & other sub-tribes
(10:31:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Reading 1207-1 apparently alludes to this girl, although by another name.
(10:31:23) (Wanda) They all live around here. Taught many of them
(10:31:51) (Host-WalksInSpirit) (I’d like to clear up a popular myth, here. Apparently, the author didn’t know any better, but there are no “Indian Princesses,” nor have there ever been. The concept of Royalty and Monarchy is a European one, brought here and applied to Indian people, by the Europeans. It would be more fitting to say Pocahontas was the Chief’s daughter.
(10:32:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) But there was no monarchy within American Indian cultures. That’s a European thing. The popular “Indian Princess” does not, nor has she ever, existed in any American Indian culture. That label is a misnomer applied by Europeans, and has been perpetuated through the years.)
(10:32:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before this we find the entity was in the land of its present sojourn, among those peoples that were of the greater spiritually developed natives in the eastern borders of the land.
(10:33:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity then was a daughter to the chief Powhatan medicine man, or in the name Tuluawa, or Snow White; that made for such associations with the activities of the individuals during those periods when there were the understandings as created by the activities of Powhatan - as the associations with those that came to be dwellers in the land.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1207-1
(10:33:39) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It is noted in this reading that she, Pocahontas, carried to “other lands” interpretations of the chants and other things of importance in the Indian way of life, and in this way helped in bringing about better understanding between peoples.
(10:34:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The second daughter of Powhatan, Night Bird, was, according to another reading, even more noteworthy than her more famous sister.
(10:34:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Hence we find, as the daughter - the second daughter of Powhatan, bringing into the experience much that made for material and mental advancement; not only for self and for its own peoples but for all of the nations.
(10:34:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) For the whole history, from the material angle, was changed by the activities of the entity much more than by that entity who so far as history is concerned set the change.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1506-1
(10:35:20) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Another daughter of Powhatan, half-sister to Pocahontas, is also mentioned in the Readings.
(10:35:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “...the entity was then the princess to Powhatan’s peoples in Virginia and the name Rising Star, and a half-sister then of that noted one, Pocahontas…” – Edgar Cayce Reading 543-11
(10:36:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The girl eventually became a companion of a white man called Bainbridge and gained a great deal of land, but later lost faith in the white race, because of her consort.
