Post by WalksInSpirit on Oct 15, 2005 21:41:53 GMT -5
Earth Changes Chat: 10-15-05
"The Bird Flu Crisis"
(08:12:29) (Host-Nick) I thought we should review this bird flu affair. Because it seems to touch on a number of things. "The Bird Flu Crisis?"
(08:12:57) (ky-mike) the coming pendemic
(08:13:45) (WalksInSpirit) Cool, Nick. They said when they broke down the Spanish Flu, it was actually a form of Bird Flu.
(08:14:20) (Host-Nick) Something like a mutation of the bird virus family, I believe.
(08:15:10) (Host-Nick) Another aspect is how people are mistreating al birds whenever this virus is detected.
(08:15:39) (CoolRunningWaters) Fear clouds the truth.
(08:15:43) (Roz) chickens penned up?
(08:16:41) (vjh) I don't think I can listen to this if you go into graphics about mistreatment of animals.
(08:16:50) (Raleigh) gee roz my friend worked a chichen farm / dont ask
(08:18:24) (Host-Nick) The last 'breakout' has been in Rumania. They are in the process of killing thousands of poor birds because of the detection of this virus. No mention of any casualties, even.
(08:18:52) (vjh) Gee Nick, I wanted to tell you something that relates to Earth Changes.
(08:19:27) (vjh) Remember that Hurricane Orphelia wasn't so bad--but since it came here part of the beach is gone. The river has come up closer.
(08:19:43) (Host-Nick) It seems humanity is in a panic mode. This particular strain of virus may not be lethal to humans at all.
(08:19:54) (patricia) Nick, if this flu gets out of hand it could infect and kill millions.
(08:20:27) (Raleigh) what is this / are birds dying ?
(08:20:27) (Blu) Nick what evidence do you have for that?
(08:20:50) (Raleigh) what birds
(08:20:52) (Host-Nick) vjh, its creeping up on you. :o), Actually that erosion is to be expected from rising sealevels and a sinking eastern continental USA.
(08:21:05) (Raleigh) all birds nick?
(08:21:33) (Host-Nick) Blu, the real question would be, what evidene is there that this strain of the virus is the lethal kind?
(08:21:42) (Raleigh) WHAT BIRDS
(08:21:59) (Raleigh) ok / never mind
(08:22:11) (patricia) Ral, the birds with the bird flu virus
(08:22:12) (merri) how does one determine how lethal it is Nick?
(08:22:33) (Host-Nick) That can be passed onto humans. As of yet no sicknesses in humans are reported in Rumania or Turkey from what I saw.
(08:22:54) (Blu) I would say that the 10 people who have died from it in the hospital are good evidence
(08:23:13) (patricia) i don't think you can determine what is lethal. what may be minor infection to one might be a lethal infection to another.
(08:23:24) (Host-Nick) Turkey has already reported the discovery of the lethal strain of the virus among birds in the west of the country
(08:23:30) (Raleigh) i dont whach the news / its never goodv / so i dont ok
(08:24:00) (patricia) okay Ral, i don't watch it much either
(08:24:17) (Host-Nick) But this is without supporting data. How do they know that the particular H5N1 that has been found is the one that be transmitted to humans, and is potentially lethal?
(08:24:45) (patricia) Blu, ten have died? Where, please?
(08:25:20) (CoolRunningWaters) Have ten died?
(08:25:35) (Blu) they have 7 dead in Indoneasia
(08:25:39) (Blu) will check
(08:25:43) (ky-mike) in asia
(08:25:52) (CoolRunningWaters) Can't always believe what they tell you.
(08:26:11) (Raleigh) yes crw
(08:26:55) (Host-Nick) Where did the people die, Blu? Was this in Eastern Asia?
(08:27:32) (Raleigh) i spoke to 1 in malaysia today / :)(08:29:24) (Host-Nick) The BBC has an article on this and at the bottom it has a map of birds migration routes. However I do not see where birds migrate along the same lattitude. Birds will migrate from north to south, yes, but not from east to west or west to east.
(08:29:35) (Host-Nick) news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4346176.stm
(08:30:43) (Host-Nick) This may be a case of hysteria, enhaned by the mood of the world right now.
(08:31:01) (CoolRunningWaters) Yes
(08:31:09) (Raleigh) yes nick
(08:31:24) (ky-mike) overreaction... i agree
(08:31:37) (merri) Well there is no known vaccine for this virus and that tends to make people a little jumpy
(08:32:10) (Host-Nick) It is true that influenzas can be fatal, we Cayce readers of course know how to defend ourselves, right? :o)
(08:32:33) (patricia) alkalanize?
(08:32:46) (ky-mike) ty pat
(08:32:49) (merri) always, patricia!!! lol
(08:33:03) (Host-Nick) Yes, and olive leaf extract serves to help against viruses in general. :o)
(08:33:03) (Blu) Those 44 human cases resulted in 32 deaths.
(08:33:06) (Raleigh) alkalize nick?
(08:33:41) (merri) where were they Blu?
(08:34:17) (Host-Nick) If could give us the info, everyone can decide for themselves, Blu. :o)
(08:34:35) (Blu) Thailand I am guessing, but could be over a lot of Asia
(08:35:01) (Blu) my.webmd.com/content/article/97/104323.htm
(08:35:46) (Raleigh) so nick is this not then just olive oil or is olive leaf different then?
(08:37:13) (Host-Nick) In Turkey, some strains of this H5N1 were found in migrating birds in the eastern provinces. No humans were affected, yet a massive campaign of against birds was launched. :o( The same in Rumania. This may only be because these countries want to impress the European Union entry commitee.
(08:38:30) (Qrious) my lady spent hours learning about that bird flu thing.. and what I have learned from her is that the chance of catching it is slim... tons less than the nile virus.
(08:39:04) (Raleigh) oh q please say it
(08:39:25) (merri) what of 32 deaths Q ?
(08:39:37) (Raleigh) so no real need to be alarmed she found q?
(08:39:40) (Qrious) out of how many years its been around.. slim.
(08:40:27) (Anonymous) were the deaths of those that were older?
(08:40:28) (Qrious) its been around for many years.. this is nothing new.. it's just not as prevailant.
(08:40:30) (Blu) Merri I think the point is that a lot of these people have gotten it from eating sick birds. That is not the real issue, the issue is if it jumps species.
(08:40:30) (Raleigh) ok q gee ty
(08:41:01) (Host-Nick) Remember, many people in far eastern Asia live in close proximity to their farm animals. This makes them more prone to contracting any illness which might affect their animal friends.
(08:41:10) (Blu) Once the viruse jumps to human , as in transmited from human to human, then we have a problem
(08:41:15) (WalksInSpirit) Right. The trouble is when the transmission stops being from bird-to-human, and starts being human-to-human.
(08:41:29) (Anonymous) 4 - where did you go?
(08:41:34) (Raleigh) yes most all these days is in the name of homeland ecurity / pls dont fall for fear ever ok
(08:41:38) (Qrious) you don't see alot of people doing anything for people with heart conditions... prostate cancer,, ect... luekemia.. is more likely to happen than the bird flu.
(08:42:05) (Blu) They have had one case I know of where a nurse in China got it from a patient, that would be human to human, and the viruse is mutated. Jumped species.
(08:42:24) (Host-Nick) I would agree, Q, to me this is just a way of being cruel to wildlife. :o(
(08:42:28) (livnlaf4ever) You mean you can get it from eating chickens?
(08:42:47) (Blu) You can get it from eating a chicken that has the flu.
(08:42:50) (Qrious) cancer patients.. still smoke cigarrettes.. and so do the ones that know it bad for them.. so I don't see the relevence of this lame bird scare tactic.
(08:42:52) (livnlaf4ever) thanks
(08:43:09) (Blu) However this is a custom in China to eat the sick animals and many do not get it.
(08:43:16) (Qrious) not that I am knocking the class mind you.. its said with all due respect.
(08:43:43) (merri) eat sick animals!!
(08:43:47) (Raleigh) no liv its just a fear speading round the globe / ok / even little things / reapeat to self liv / i am not afraid / ok
(08:43:51) (merri) that is sick!!!!!
(08:44:02) (Host-Nick) The Chinese probably have awesome immune systems then! :o)
(08:44:06) (Blu) "The great concern is there is an incredibly virulent avian flu that shows ability to jump to humans," Jeremy Farrar, MD, DPhil, tells WebMD. "And when it gets to humans, it is clearly a very nasty disease with a high mortality rate."
(08:44:29) (Qrious) they live longer than us Americans.. so that wouldn't jibe.
(08:44:33) (Raleigh) see john 14 liv / the 1st lines ok / then do that / no fear
(08:44:34) (livnlaf4ever) k!
(08:44:38) (Blu) Well, they are very poor people and they make a subsistance living off thier animals, so they eat the sick ones so as not to waste them.
(08:44:45) (Anonymous) the chinese live with the chickens i have heard
(08:45:02) (Bear) more chickens than people
(08:45:21) (Raleigh) yes bear
(08:45:40) (Host-Nick) Many do in rural areas, Anonymous. Child mortality is high, but those who make it probably have super immunes systems.
(08:46:18) (Blu) "The current situation is not a concern. There are not hundreds of people dying," Farrar says. "But this reminds us that avian influenza is not just a runny nose. It is a phenomenally destructive virus. If this came to be -- if this virus developed a more efficient way to jump from human to human -- you'd have a very virulent virus with high infectivity. It would be a very nasty global event."
(08:46:22) (Raleigh) ec suggests this very much so / see john 14- 17 / then know its true / then you have no fear liv
(08:46:39) (livnlaf4ever) I think their immune systems are much better than ours because of their diets. In fact I think it is documented.
(08:46:53) (Raleigh) then you pray and prayer comes true liv / honest
(08:47:15) (Raleigh) see john 14
(08:47:18) (Raleigh) god
(08:47:25) (Raleigh) pls see it
(08:47:26) (Qrious) more people would die of diseases of obesity.. in this country.. and diabetes.. these are common events.. STDs stronger than this bird flu.. so have no fear.. we have worse to concern ourselves with.
(08:48:33) (Blu) Why worry? In the 20th century, there have been three global flu pandemics. The first, the 1918 Spanish flu, was the worst. Coming on the heels of World War I, it killed between 20 million and 40 million people.
(08:48:41) (Raleigh) yes blu
(08:48:47) (Raleigh) no worry yes
(08:48:57) (Blu) Milder outbreaks in 1956 and 1968 killed about 1 million each.
(08:49:16) (Qrious) the nation of Africa is dying by the hundreds daily.. with AIDS... and that have obviouslly slipped the nations minds.. and they make a big deal out of 32?
(08:49:19) (Raleigh) die huh q
(08:49:25) (Raleigh) you dont die q
(08:49:32) (Bear) a million of anything used to seem like alot
(08:49:39) (Blu) All three times, a bird flu evolved a way to spread among humans.
(08:49:40) (Raleigh) no1 here gets it
(08:49:45) (Raleigh) gee ok
(08:49:56) (Raleigh) YOU DONT DIE
(08:50:01) (WalksInSpirit) Sure did, Bear! Maruawe, btw! I didn't see you come in!
(08:50:05) (Raleigh) brb
(08:50:11) (Host-Nick) I would agree with Q, in that 32 over a year is nothing compared to the milions who die of AIDS and the complications of HIV.
(08:50:17) (Raleigh) excuse me / :)
(08:50:28) (Raleigh) sorry nick
(08:50:38) (Qrious) prove it Ral...
(08:50:48) (patricia) Ral, you are right, there is no death
(08:50:59) (Raleigh) yes princess ty
(08:51:07) (patricia) only transition to another plane
(08:51:12) (Raleigh) ok q
(08:51:32) (Raleigh) i am trained electricity electronics ok /
(08:51:38) (Qrious) but if your a muslim and you don't accept Jesus as Gods kid then you die huh.
(08:51:41) (Raleigh) so physics law
(08:51:43) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Or the millions who die because they cannot afford health care.
(08:51:48) (patricia) as ec said it is going through God's other door
(08:51:54) (Raleigh) energy cannot be destroyed
(08:51:55) (WalksInSpirit) Good point, CRW.
(08:52:00) (Qrious) then explain the second death in revalation.
(08:52:03) (Raleigh) you are energy q
(08:52:11) (Raleigh) you dont die q
(08:52:11) (Qrious) you die.
(08:52:15) (WalksInSpirit) And those are right here... in the richest country in the world.
(08:52:15) (Raleigh) there q
(08:52:18) (Raleigh) proof
(08:52:21) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Yes
(08:52:28) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Quite sad really.
(08:52:39) (Raleigh) no q i dont die
(08:52:46) (Raleigh) niether do you
(08:52:46) (Host-Nick) Perhaps also it is a question of asking: Why is so much attention being paid to Bird Flu now, far more dangerous health risks are allowed to progress with little being done.
(08:52:51) (Raleigh) fact
(08:53:07) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) That the people of this mighty and great nation are so easily dupped.
(08:53:21) (Blu) Maybe because the politicians needed a diversion from the poor response to Katrina?
(08:53:32) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Duhh
(08:53:35) (Raleigh) well yes
(08:53:36) (Qrious) read the bible .. all of Cayces teachings are in it... and is subject to its laws.. just read the end passage in Revelations...
(08:53:44) (Host-Nick) Probabaly Blu.
(08:53:48) (Raleigh) govt wants control
(08:53:48) (WalksInSpirit) Yep.
(08:53:56) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) They play as the fools we have become.
(08:53:56) (Raleigh) control thru fear
(08:54:01) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Yes
(08:54:02) (Raleigh) whats new blu
(08:54:05) (Raleigh) ?
(08:54:19) (livnlaf4ever) Sheep being led to slaughter
(08:54:21) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) play us
(08:54:29) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Yes
(08:54:32) (WalksInSpirit) Agreed, Livn.
(08:54:34) (Blu) What concerns me was the need for military responce to quaranteen
(08:54:38) (Raleigh) not all q
(08:54:42) (Raleigh) man
(08:54:42) (patricia) our prisident has already said that if this pandemic were to come here he would use the military to control it
(08:54:57) (Raleigh) gee q / you dont study do you
(08:54:59) (Raleigh) i do
(08:55:08) (Anonymous) maybe because the government is more scared of this flu compared to Aids, where to them , is so far away, but bird flu is moving fast and maybe they think it will hit here before Aids
(08:55:12) (Host-Nick) Just another ego-enhancing performance by yet another politician. :o(
(08:55:20) (WalksInSpirit) Yep. That whole "Martial Law" to "quarantine" deal causes the red flags to go up with me.
(08:55:31) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Yes Nick....sad but true.
(08:55:32) (Qrious) just read what it says.. not like its a make believe fairy story..
(08:56:04) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) More controll less rirgts.
(08:56:10) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) rights.
(08:56:32) (Blu) The evidence so far isn't reassuring. Someone sold chickens that died of bird flu to a Bangkok zoo. Keepers fed the chickens to captive tigers. The virus not only infected the big cats, but also spread easily among them. So far, 147 of the zoo's 441 tigers have died.
(08:56:36) (livnlaf4ever) So does this mean you guys aren't getting your flu shots?
(08:56:44) (Host-Nick) I do not like to see anything militatry involved with health care. Because that may mean that the military will start being paid tax dollars from what used to go towards medical care.
(08:57:47) (Blu) The other way flu viruses figure out how to infect humans is reassortment. When two flu viruses infect the same person or animal, they swap DNA. So far, that hasn't happened. But pigs get infected with human flu viruses. And Chinese health officials report that the bird flu has been infecting pigs for more than a year.
(08:57:56) (Qrious) I think of this as akin to the Y2J virus.. everyone was running in fear.. they placed there trust in man.. and what happened .. not a darn thing... it was bogus.. I this is too.. to me at least.
(08:58:06) (Host-Nick) A flu shot can carry a risk, of course that is an excuse for chickens! :o)
(08:58:35) (Anonymous) does the flu shot protect against bird flu?
(08:58:49) (patricia) it is my understanding there is no preventative immunization for this strain yet
(08:58:50) (Blu) no
(08:59:05) (Blu) but it will help
(08:59:13) (Qrious) yes.. they already have an antidote for it patricia.
(08:59:14) (Blu) Recently, officials in Belgium stopped a man getting off a plane from Thailand. They found that he was illegally carrying two hawk eagles. Both birds were infected with H5N1 bird flu. And the veterinarian who examined them came down with a suspicious eye infection, although swab tests were negative for bird flu.
(08:59:17) (livnlaf4ever) No, they don't have anything yet.
(08:59:25) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Cayce wasn't really big on shots of any kind any ways.
(08:59:43) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Best to use preventive medicine.
(08:59:47) (patricia) an antidote for it after you get it Q, but nothing to keep you from getting it yet
(08:59:54) (livnlaf4ever) No they don't.
(08:59:54) (Qrious) It has a name to it also.. and was handed out to Germany.. but would not come to the U.S.. until our Drug administration approved of it.
(09:00:01) (Host-Nick) I doubt it. A flu vaccine is far less effective than a bacterial vacine since the shot can only give fragments of the RNA proteins.
(09:00:06) (livnlaf4ever) I just saw it on CNN yesterday
(09:00:15) (Blu) The thing is the flu will mutate
(09:00:18) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Proper diet....exercise....meditation....prayer.....being true to yourself.
(09:00:30) (Raleigh) yes crw
(09:00:32) (merri) don't eat chicken~
(09:00:42) (livnlaf4ever) agreed
(09:01:02) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) doubt it will survive in unpleasant conditions within the system.
(09:01:06) (Blu) If you get it it will not be from eating chicken
(09:01:08) (Qrious) you need to catch it.. first.. or have a weakened bird flu introduced into your body before you create antibodies for it.. that is also for all disease prevention.
(09:01:23) (livnlaf4ever) They said it would take 6-8 months to get enough to go around the u.s.
(09:01:38) (merri) if the chicken is infected Blu?
(09:01:40) (Qrious) our imunity is created after we get sick.. with a disease.
(09:02:03) (Blu) you could if it was infected, but the chances of you getting one here is slim
(09:02:17) (Qrious) The big scare.. is of it mutating.. we have better chances of cloning.
(09:02:36) (Blu) however we have had this kind of flu in our human history before, so we are not totally unprepared in my opinion
(09:02:58) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) The immune system also builds up defences against virusus that don't get a hold on the person and create an observable condition.
(09:03:14) (Raleigh) yes blu i just studied the fall of rome / very much similar yes
(09:03:32) (livnlaf4ever) It's up to us to boost our immune systems. I use propolis
(09:03:40) (Blu) If and when bird flu breaks out in humans, there won't be a vaccine for at least several months.
(09:03:43) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) That is good.
(09:03:46) (Qrious) the American Indians.. and the Polynesians.. are a living historical testament to our not having imunities to diseases.. that seem to originate from European countries..
(09:03:49) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Esp. if it ios locakl.
(09:03:50) (Raleigh) yes blu
(09:03:55) (livnlaf4ever) That's right Blu
(09:04:07) (Raleigh) correct q
(09:04:22) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Why worry when ye can pray? Cayce
(09:04:28) (Raleigh) yes
(09:04:36) (Raleigh) ty crw
(09:04:50) (Blu) Surveillance means identifying human-to-human bird flu transmission in its earliest stages. That's not an easy task, given that bird flu is spreading in some of the most remote and rural areas of Asia. And people whose livelihood depends on small flocks of chickens are loath to report bird deaths when it means that public health officials will exterminate their only source of income.
(09:05:04) (Host-Nick) This bird flu crisis is just a way to draw attention away from the decreasing atention being paid to medical care for the population of the countries involved.
(09:05:14) (Qrious) If the Europeans start to fall down and die in great numbers.. then I shall look into it further.
(09:05:41) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) The prayers of 25 can save a nation n Cayce Maybe when this place is packed the time should be coordinated more cwisely for the good of all.
(09:05:59) (Blu) The models, nearing completion, predict exactly how far a flu outbreak will spread under different circumstances
(09:06:15) (Qrious) till then.. the diseased minds of sacraficial human bombs.. kill more U.S. men.. than a bird strained ailment.
(09:06:25) (Blu) The models are sobering. For example, Longini's earlier work shows that if a flu outbreak were like the relatively mild 1957 Asian flu virus, it would infect 93 million Americans and cause 164,000 U.S. deaths.
(09:06:29) (Host-Nick) The Europeans have excellent health care. The US health care is decreasing in quality with less and less being spent on it proportionately each year.
(09:06:31) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) True Q
(09:07:13) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) NHJo money in keeping alive a cititizen past the age of their productivenesds.
(09:07:18) (Blu) Would a bird flu outbreak be worse? Probably. But Longini says it's highly unlikely that a bird flu would be as deadly as some people fear.
(09:07:59) (Qrious) And there are weapons of mass destruction over yonder.. I say.. we cause useless senseless fear infested mania .. all on our own.. we are our worst enemy..
(09:08:16) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Yes Q
(09:08:20) (livnlaf4ever) Alarmists
(09:08:24) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) At least karmically.
(09:08:52) (Raleigh) yes liv / control through fear / easy
(09:08:56) (livnlaf4ever) Totally, we are self destructing
(09:09:02) (Raleigh) yes liv
(09:09:18) (Raleigh) yes we are cause of fear
(09:09:35) (ky-mike) thers over 5 billion people on this planet....... over population can cause .... minny things
(09:09:36) (livnlaf4ever) They said Tamiflu did NOT affect the virus
(09:10:01) (Qrious) Is this bird flu considered a form of Anthrax... if not.. then why stress for nothing... ?
(09:10:05) (livnlaf4ever) You're thinking God's way of population control?
(09:10:10) (Blu) it is sensitive to it, in other words you can still get the virus but you may not die from it
(09:10:17) (Raleigh) well yes mke / level must hppen
(09:10:27) (Raleigh) yet no death ok
(09:10:27) (ky-mike) fact of life
(09:10:36) (WalksInSpirit) Tamiflu isn't a preventive medication. It's only a treatment-oriented medication. it'll only work after you get the flu.
(09:10:47) (Raleigh) no death
(09:10:51) (Raleigh) no deatyh
(09:10:58) (Raleigh) no death
(09:11:03) (Raleigh) no deat h
(09:11:25) (livnlaf4ever) I don't think so Walks, from what I watched yesterday. Unless I am mistaken in what they were saying
(09:11:28) (Qrious) what happens to Satan Ral?
(09:11:49) (WalksInSpirit) They are stockpiling the Tamiflu doses.
(09:11:58) (Raleigh) he is a baby creub that will die yes q
(09:12:08) (Qrious) and his buds?
(09:12:15) (Raleigh) she is to die
(09:12:18) (Qrious) and his followers?
(09:12:20) (Raleigh) wink
(09:12:25) (Raleigh) brb
(09:12:27) (livnlaf4ever) I thought they said that they tried it and it didn't work.
(09:12:35) (Raleigh) his
(09:12:35) (Qrious) and the elect that will fail as well?
(09:12:35) (Raleigh) lol
(09:12:39) (Raleigh) brb
(09:12:51) (Raleigh) she
(09:13:16) (Raleigh) you dont study do you q
(09:13:21) (Raleigh) brb
(09:14:08) (livnlaf4ever) So now they have to look elsewhere
(09:14:43) (Blu) I have not heard that 4 ever, but then I have not heard any recent news
(09:14:45) (WalksInSpirit) They were talking on the news yesterday about how many millions of doses they have stockpiled. Enough for first responders, military, and government officials.
(09:15:10) (patricia) i heard that too WIS
(09:15:41) (Host-Nick) Correct, it seems the government is interested in making sure that the population knows that the military, and Halliburton Inc. profits come first.
(09:15:57) (merri) guess we know who the important one are....
(09:16:12) (Blu) We prolly have more to worry about with the dog and cat flu around here!
(09:16:53) (Host-Nick) The West Nile virus and Lyme disease are far more of a threat from wildlife than the bird flu.
(09:17:22) (Qrious) Ral.. contrary to popular beliefs.. God hates also.. read Malachi 1;3,, and its also in the New Testament.. go fish.
(09:17:29) (ky-mike) there was a bad strain of flu , 2 years ago... killed alot of people !
(09:17:49) (Blu) Wake up Q, Ral left, LOL
(09:20:21) (Host-Nick) I thought this topic would bring to mind the panic mode that humanity is in right now. That and also seeing the way politicians use anything to get their persons onto our news reports. :o(
(09:20:39) (Blu) you could well be right Nick
(09:20:44) (CoolRunningWaters) It is valid Nick.
(09:20:45) (ernie) ky mike where flue killed lots
(09:21:00) (Blu) However, it would be foolish not to be caustious
(09:21:04) (livnlaf4ever) I'm not panicked
(09:21:25) (Host-Nick) There is a potential danger in the bird virus, but it is not much compared to things already present.
(09:21:30) (ernie) im me
(09:21:30) (CoolRunningWaters) People need to see the truth and open their eyes to the way were are manipulated as civilians.
(09:21:31) (ky-mike) allover the us , it darn neer killed me , worse case i ever had
(09:21:42) (Qrious) Well chicken little is coming out in theaters near you.. why not capitalize on it.? lol.
(09:21:45) (CoolRunningWaters) Most true Nick.
(09:21:48) (patricia) i am not panicked either, i know that what ever comes or goes, i will be okay.
(09:21:57) (livnlaf4ever) I agree Cool
(09:22:04) (Blu) What was Mike?
(09:27:28) (WalksInSpirit) Nick, great topic tonight! Thanks!
(08:12:57) (ky-mike) the coming pendemic
(08:13:45) (WalksInSpirit) Cool, Nick. They said when they broke down the Spanish Flu, it was actually a form of Bird Flu.
(08:14:20) (Host-Nick) Something like a mutation of the bird virus family, I believe.
(08:15:10) (Host-Nick) Another aspect is how people are mistreating al birds whenever this virus is detected.
(08:15:39) (CoolRunningWaters) Fear clouds the truth.
(08:15:43) (Roz) chickens penned up?
(08:16:41) (vjh) I don't think I can listen to this if you go into graphics about mistreatment of animals.
(08:16:50) (Raleigh) gee roz my friend worked a chichen farm / dont ask
(08:18:24) (Host-Nick) The last 'breakout' has been in Rumania. They are in the process of killing thousands of poor birds because of the detection of this virus. No mention of any casualties, even.
(08:18:52) (vjh) Gee Nick, I wanted to tell you something that relates to Earth Changes.
(08:19:27) (vjh) Remember that Hurricane Orphelia wasn't so bad--but since it came here part of the beach is gone. The river has come up closer.
(08:19:43) (Host-Nick) It seems humanity is in a panic mode. This particular strain of virus may not be lethal to humans at all.
(08:19:54) (patricia) Nick, if this flu gets out of hand it could infect and kill millions.
(08:20:27) (Raleigh) what is this / are birds dying ?
(08:20:27) (Blu) Nick what evidence do you have for that?
(08:20:50) (Raleigh) what birds
(08:20:52) (Host-Nick) vjh, its creeping up on you. :o), Actually that erosion is to be expected from rising sealevels and a sinking eastern continental USA.
(08:21:05) (Raleigh) all birds nick?
(08:21:33) (Host-Nick) Blu, the real question would be, what evidene is there that this strain of the virus is the lethal kind?
(08:21:42) (Raleigh) WHAT BIRDS
(08:21:59) (Raleigh) ok / never mind
(08:22:11) (patricia) Ral, the birds with the bird flu virus
(08:22:12) (merri) how does one determine how lethal it is Nick?
(08:22:33) (Host-Nick) That can be passed onto humans. As of yet no sicknesses in humans are reported in Rumania or Turkey from what I saw.
(08:22:54) (Blu) I would say that the 10 people who have died from it in the hospital are good evidence
(08:23:13) (patricia) i don't think you can determine what is lethal. what may be minor infection to one might be a lethal infection to another.
(08:23:24) (Host-Nick) Turkey has already reported the discovery of the lethal strain of the virus among birds in the west of the country
(08:23:30) (Raleigh) i dont whach the news / its never goodv / so i dont ok
(08:24:00) (patricia) okay Ral, i don't watch it much either
(08:24:17) (Host-Nick) But this is without supporting data. How do they know that the particular H5N1 that has been found is the one that be transmitted to humans, and is potentially lethal?
(08:24:45) (patricia) Blu, ten have died? Where, please?
(08:25:20) (CoolRunningWaters) Have ten died?
(08:25:35) (Blu) they have 7 dead in Indoneasia
(08:25:39) (Blu) will check
(08:25:43) (ky-mike) in asia
(08:25:52) (CoolRunningWaters) Can't always believe what they tell you.
(08:26:11) (Raleigh) yes crw
(08:26:55) (Host-Nick) Where did the people die, Blu? Was this in Eastern Asia?
(08:27:32) (Raleigh) i spoke to 1 in malaysia today / :)(08:29:24) (Host-Nick) The BBC has an article on this and at the bottom it has a map of birds migration routes. However I do not see where birds migrate along the same lattitude. Birds will migrate from north to south, yes, but not from east to west or west to east.
(08:29:35) (Host-Nick) news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4346176.stm
(08:30:43) (Host-Nick) This may be a case of hysteria, enhaned by the mood of the world right now.
(08:31:01) (CoolRunningWaters) Yes
(08:31:09) (Raleigh) yes nick
(08:31:24) (ky-mike) overreaction... i agree
(08:31:37) (merri) Well there is no known vaccine for this virus and that tends to make people a little jumpy
(08:32:10) (Host-Nick) It is true that influenzas can be fatal, we Cayce readers of course know how to defend ourselves, right? :o)
(08:32:33) (patricia) alkalanize?
(08:32:46) (ky-mike) ty pat
(08:32:49) (merri) always, patricia!!! lol
(08:33:03) (Host-Nick) Yes, and olive leaf extract serves to help against viruses in general. :o)
(08:33:03) (Blu) Those 44 human cases resulted in 32 deaths.
(08:33:06) (Raleigh) alkalize nick?
(08:33:41) (merri) where were they Blu?
(08:34:17) (Host-Nick) If could give us the info, everyone can decide for themselves, Blu. :o)
(08:34:35) (Blu) Thailand I am guessing, but could be over a lot of Asia
(08:35:01) (Blu) my.webmd.com/content/article/97/104323.htm
(08:35:46) (Raleigh) so nick is this not then just olive oil or is olive leaf different then?
(08:37:13) (Host-Nick) In Turkey, some strains of this H5N1 were found in migrating birds in the eastern provinces. No humans were affected, yet a massive campaign of against birds was launched. :o( The same in Rumania. This may only be because these countries want to impress the European Union entry commitee.
(08:38:30) (Qrious) my lady spent hours learning about that bird flu thing.. and what I have learned from her is that the chance of catching it is slim... tons less than the nile virus.
(08:39:04) (Raleigh) oh q please say it
(08:39:25) (merri) what of 32 deaths Q ?
(08:39:37) (Raleigh) so no real need to be alarmed she found q?
(08:39:40) (Qrious) out of how many years its been around.. slim.
(08:40:27) (Anonymous) were the deaths of those that were older?
(08:40:28) (Qrious) its been around for many years.. this is nothing new.. it's just not as prevailant.
(08:40:30) (Blu) Merri I think the point is that a lot of these people have gotten it from eating sick birds. That is not the real issue, the issue is if it jumps species.
(08:40:30) (Raleigh) ok q gee ty
(08:41:01) (Host-Nick) Remember, many people in far eastern Asia live in close proximity to their farm animals. This makes them more prone to contracting any illness which might affect their animal friends.
(08:41:10) (Blu) Once the viruse jumps to human , as in transmited from human to human, then we have a problem
(08:41:15) (WalksInSpirit) Right. The trouble is when the transmission stops being from bird-to-human, and starts being human-to-human.
(08:41:29) (Anonymous) 4 - where did you go?
(08:41:34) (Raleigh) yes most all these days is in the name of homeland ecurity / pls dont fall for fear ever ok
(08:41:38) (Qrious) you don't see alot of people doing anything for people with heart conditions... prostate cancer,, ect... luekemia.. is more likely to happen than the bird flu.
(08:42:05) (Blu) They have had one case I know of where a nurse in China got it from a patient, that would be human to human, and the viruse is mutated. Jumped species.
(08:42:24) (Host-Nick) I would agree, Q, to me this is just a way of being cruel to wildlife. :o(
(08:42:28) (livnlaf4ever) You mean you can get it from eating chickens?
(08:42:47) (Blu) You can get it from eating a chicken that has the flu.
(08:42:50) (Qrious) cancer patients.. still smoke cigarrettes.. and so do the ones that know it bad for them.. so I don't see the relevence of this lame bird scare tactic.
(08:42:52) (livnlaf4ever) thanks
(08:43:09) (Blu) However this is a custom in China to eat the sick animals and many do not get it.
(08:43:16) (Qrious) not that I am knocking the class mind you.. its said with all due respect.
(08:43:43) (merri) eat sick animals!!
(08:43:47) (Raleigh) no liv its just a fear speading round the globe / ok / even little things / reapeat to self liv / i am not afraid / ok
(08:43:51) (merri) that is sick!!!!!
(08:44:02) (Host-Nick) The Chinese probably have awesome immune systems then! :o)
(08:44:06) (Blu) "The great concern is there is an incredibly virulent avian flu that shows ability to jump to humans," Jeremy Farrar, MD, DPhil, tells WebMD. "And when it gets to humans, it is clearly a very nasty disease with a high mortality rate."
(08:44:29) (Qrious) they live longer than us Americans.. so that wouldn't jibe.
(08:44:33) (Raleigh) see john 14 liv / the 1st lines ok / then do that / no fear
(08:44:34) (livnlaf4ever) k!
(08:44:38) (Blu) Well, they are very poor people and they make a subsistance living off thier animals, so they eat the sick ones so as not to waste them.
(08:44:45) (Anonymous) the chinese live with the chickens i have heard
(08:45:02) (Bear) more chickens than people
(08:45:21) (Raleigh) yes bear
(08:45:40) (Host-Nick) Many do in rural areas, Anonymous. Child mortality is high, but those who make it probably have super immunes systems.
(08:46:18) (Blu) "The current situation is not a concern. There are not hundreds of people dying," Farrar says. "But this reminds us that avian influenza is not just a runny nose. It is a phenomenally destructive virus. If this came to be -- if this virus developed a more efficient way to jump from human to human -- you'd have a very virulent virus with high infectivity. It would be a very nasty global event."
(08:46:22) (Raleigh) ec suggests this very much so / see john 14- 17 / then know its true / then you have no fear liv
(08:46:39) (livnlaf4ever) I think their immune systems are much better than ours because of their diets. In fact I think it is documented.
(08:46:53) (Raleigh) then you pray and prayer comes true liv / honest
(08:47:15) (Raleigh) see john 14
(08:47:18) (Raleigh) god
(08:47:25) (Raleigh) pls see it
(08:47:26) (Qrious) more people would die of diseases of obesity.. in this country.. and diabetes.. these are common events.. STDs stronger than this bird flu.. so have no fear.. we have worse to concern ourselves with.
(08:48:33) (Blu) Why worry? In the 20th century, there have been three global flu pandemics. The first, the 1918 Spanish flu, was the worst. Coming on the heels of World War I, it killed between 20 million and 40 million people.
(08:48:41) (Raleigh) yes blu
(08:48:47) (Raleigh) no worry yes
(08:48:57) (Blu) Milder outbreaks in 1956 and 1968 killed about 1 million each.
(08:49:16) (Qrious) the nation of Africa is dying by the hundreds daily.. with AIDS... and that have obviouslly slipped the nations minds.. and they make a big deal out of 32?
(08:49:19) (Raleigh) die huh q
(08:49:25) (Raleigh) you dont die q
(08:49:32) (Bear) a million of anything used to seem like alot
(08:49:39) (Blu) All three times, a bird flu evolved a way to spread among humans.
(08:49:40) (Raleigh) no1 here gets it
(08:49:45) (Raleigh) gee ok
(08:49:56) (Raleigh) YOU DONT DIE
(08:50:01) (WalksInSpirit) Sure did, Bear! Maruawe, btw! I didn't see you come in!
(08:50:05) (Raleigh) brb
(08:50:11) (Host-Nick) I would agree with Q, in that 32 over a year is nothing compared to the milions who die of AIDS and the complications of HIV.
(08:50:17) (Raleigh) excuse me / :)
(08:50:28) (Raleigh) sorry nick
(08:50:38) (Qrious) prove it Ral...
(08:50:48) (patricia) Ral, you are right, there is no death
(08:50:59) (Raleigh) yes princess ty
(08:51:07) (patricia) only transition to another plane
(08:51:12) (Raleigh) ok q
(08:51:32) (Raleigh) i am trained electricity electronics ok /
(08:51:38) (Qrious) but if your a muslim and you don't accept Jesus as Gods kid then you die huh.
(08:51:41) (Raleigh) so physics law
(08:51:43) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Or the millions who die because they cannot afford health care.
(08:51:48) (patricia) as ec said it is going through God's other door
(08:51:54) (Raleigh) energy cannot be destroyed
(08:51:55) (WalksInSpirit) Good point, CRW.
(08:52:00) (Qrious) then explain the second death in revalation.
(08:52:03) (Raleigh) you are energy q
(08:52:11) (Raleigh) you dont die q
(08:52:11) (Qrious) you die.
(08:52:15) (WalksInSpirit) And those are right here... in the richest country in the world.
(08:52:15) (Raleigh) there q
(08:52:18) (Raleigh) proof
(08:52:21) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Yes
(08:52:28) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Quite sad really.
(08:52:39) (Raleigh) no q i dont die
(08:52:46) (Raleigh) niether do you
(08:52:46) (Host-Nick) Perhaps also it is a question of asking: Why is so much attention being paid to Bird Flu now, far more dangerous health risks are allowed to progress with little being done.
(08:52:51) (Raleigh) fact
(08:53:07) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) That the people of this mighty and great nation are so easily dupped.
(08:53:21) (Blu) Maybe because the politicians needed a diversion from the poor response to Katrina?
(08:53:32) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Duhh
(08:53:35) (Raleigh) well yes
(08:53:36) (Qrious) read the bible .. all of Cayces teachings are in it... and is subject to its laws.. just read the end passage in Revelations...
(08:53:44) (Host-Nick) Probabaly Blu.
(08:53:48) (Raleigh) govt wants control
(08:53:48) (WalksInSpirit) Yep.
(08:53:56) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) They play as the fools we have become.
(08:53:56) (Raleigh) control thru fear
(08:54:01) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Yes
(08:54:02) (Raleigh) whats new blu
(08:54:05) (Raleigh) ?
(08:54:19) (livnlaf4ever) Sheep being led to slaughter
(08:54:21) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) play us
(08:54:29) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Yes
(08:54:32) (WalksInSpirit) Agreed, Livn.
(08:54:34) (Blu) What concerns me was the need for military responce to quaranteen
(08:54:38) (Raleigh) not all q
(08:54:42) (Raleigh) man
(08:54:42) (patricia) our prisident has already said that if this pandemic were to come here he would use the military to control it
(08:54:57) (Raleigh) gee q / you dont study do you
(08:54:59) (Raleigh) i do
(08:55:08) (Anonymous) maybe because the government is more scared of this flu compared to Aids, where to them , is so far away, but bird flu is moving fast and maybe they think it will hit here before Aids
(08:55:12) (Host-Nick) Just another ego-enhancing performance by yet another politician. :o(
(08:55:20) (WalksInSpirit) Yep. That whole "Martial Law" to "quarantine" deal causes the red flags to go up with me.
(08:55:31) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Yes Nick....sad but true.
(08:55:32) (Qrious) just read what it says.. not like its a make believe fairy story..
(08:56:04) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) More controll less rirgts.
(08:56:10) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) rights.
(08:56:32) (Blu) The evidence so far isn't reassuring. Someone sold chickens that died of bird flu to a Bangkok zoo. Keepers fed the chickens to captive tigers. The virus not only infected the big cats, but also spread easily among them. So far, 147 of the zoo's 441 tigers have died.
(08:56:36) (livnlaf4ever) So does this mean you guys aren't getting your flu shots?
(08:56:44) (Host-Nick) I do not like to see anything militatry involved with health care. Because that may mean that the military will start being paid tax dollars from what used to go towards medical care.
(08:57:47) (Blu) The other way flu viruses figure out how to infect humans is reassortment. When two flu viruses infect the same person or animal, they swap DNA. So far, that hasn't happened. But pigs get infected with human flu viruses. And Chinese health officials report that the bird flu has been infecting pigs for more than a year.
(08:57:56) (Qrious) I think of this as akin to the Y2J virus.. everyone was running in fear.. they placed there trust in man.. and what happened .. not a darn thing... it was bogus.. I this is too.. to me at least.
(08:58:06) (Host-Nick) A flu shot can carry a risk, of course that is an excuse for chickens! :o)
(08:58:35) (Anonymous) does the flu shot protect against bird flu?
(08:58:49) (patricia) it is my understanding there is no preventative immunization for this strain yet
(08:58:50) (Blu) no
(08:59:05) (Blu) but it will help
(08:59:13) (Qrious) yes.. they already have an antidote for it patricia.
(08:59:14) (Blu) Recently, officials in Belgium stopped a man getting off a plane from Thailand. They found that he was illegally carrying two hawk eagles. Both birds were infected with H5N1 bird flu. And the veterinarian who examined them came down with a suspicious eye infection, although swab tests were negative for bird flu.
(08:59:17) (livnlaf4ever) No, they don't have anything yet.
(08:59:25) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Cayce wasn't really big on shots of any kind any ways.
(08:59:43) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Best to use preventive medicine.
(08:59:47) (patricia) an antidote for it after you get it Q, but nothing to keep you from getting it yet
(08:59:54) (livnlaf4ever) No they don't.
(08:59:54) (Qrious) It has a name to it also.. and was handed out to Germany.. but would not come to the U.S.. until our Drug administration approved of it.
(09:00:01) (Host-Nick) I doubt it. A flu vaccine is far less effective than a bacterial vacine since the shot can only give fragments of the RNA proteins.
(09:00:06) (livnlaf4ever) I just saw it on CNN yesterday
(09:00:15) (Blu) The thing is the flu will mutate
(09:00:18) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Proper diet....exercise....meditation....prayer.....being true to yourself.
(09:00:30) (Raleigh) yes crw
(09:00:32) (merri) don't eat chicken~
(09:00:42) (livnlaf4ever) agreed
(09:01:02) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) doubt it will survive in unpleasant conditions within the system.
(09:01:06) (Blu) If you get it it will not be from eating chicken
(09:01:08) (Qrious) you need to catch it.. first.. or have a weakened bird flu introduced into your body before you create antibodies for it.. that is also for all disease prevention.
(09:01:23) (livnlaf4ever) They said it would take 6-8 months to get enough to go around the u.s.
(09:01:38) (merri) if the chicken is infected Blu?
(09:01:40) (Qrious) our imunity is created after we get sick.. with a disease.
(09:02:03) (Blu) you could if it was infected, but the chances of you getting one here is slim
(09:02:17) (Qrious) The big scare.. is of it mutating.. we have better chances of cloning.
(09:02:36) (Blu) however we have had this kind of flu in our human history before, so we are not totally unprepared in my opinion
(09:02:58) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) The immune system also builds up defences against virusus that don't get a hold on the person and create an observable condition.
(09:03:14) (Raleigh) yes blu i just studied the fall of rome / very much similar yes
(09:03:32) (livnlaf4ever) It's up to us to boost our immune systems. I use propolis
(09:03:40) (Blu) If and when bird flu breaks out in humans, there won't be a vaccine for at least several months.
(09:03:43) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) That is good.
(09:03:46) (Qrious) the American Indians.. and the Polynesians.. are a living historical testament to our not having imunities to diseases.. that seem to originate from European countries..
(09:03:49) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Esp. if it ios locakl.
(09:03:50) (Raleigh) yes blu
(09:03:55) (livnlaf4ever) That's right Blu
(09:04:07) (Raleigh) correct q
(09:04:22) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Why worry when ye can pray? Cayce
(09:04:28) (Raleigh) yes
(09:04:36) (Raleigh) ty crw
(09:04:50) (Blu) Surveillance means identifying human-to-human bird flu transmission in its earliest stages. That's not an easy task, given that bird flu is spreading in some of the most remote and rural areas of Asia. And people whose livelihood depends on small flocks of chickens are loath to report bird deaths when it means that public health officials will exterminate their only source of income.
(09:05:04) (Host-Nick) This bird flu crisis is just a way to draw attention away from the decreasing atention being paid to medical care for the population of the countries involved.
(09:05:14) (Qrious) If the Europeans start to fall down and die in great numbers.. then I shall look into it further.
(09:05:41) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) The prayers of 25 can save a nation n Cayce Maybe when this place is packed the time should be coordinated more cwisely for the good of all.
(09:05:59) (Blu) The models, nearing completion, predict exactly how far a flu outbreak will spread under different circumstances
(09:06:15) (Qrious) till then.. the diseased minds of sacraficial human bombs.. kill more U.S. men.. than a bird strained ailment.
(09:06:25) (Blu) The models are sobering. For example, Longini's earlier work shows that if a flu outbreak were like the relatively mild 1957 Asian flu virus, it would infect 93 million Americans and cause 164,000 U.S. deaths.
(09:06:29) (Host-Nick) The Europeans have excellent health care. The US health care is decreasing in quality with less and less being spent on it proportionately each year.
(09:06:31) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) True Q
(09:07:13) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) NHJo money in keeping alive a cititizen past the age of their productivenesds.
(09:07:18) (Blu) Would a bird flu outbreak be worse? Probably. But Longini says it's highly unlikely that a bird flu would be as deadly as some people fear.
(09:07:59) (Qrious) And there are weapons of mass destruction over yonder.. I say.. we cause useless senseless fear infested mania .. all on our own.. we are our worst enemy..
(09:08:16) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) Yes Q
(09:08:20) (livnlaf4ever) Alarmists
(09:08:24) (CoolRunningWaters_brb) At least karmically.
(09:08:52) (Raleigh) yes liv / control through fear / easy
(09:08:56) (livnlaf4ever) Totally, we are self destructing
(09:09:02) (Raleigh) yes liv
(09:09:18) (Raleigh) yes we are cause of fear
(09:09:35) (ky-mike) thers over 5 billion people on this planet....... over population can cause .... minny things
(09:09:36) (livnlaf4ever) They said Tamiflu did NOT affect the virus
(09:10:01) (Qrious) Is this bird flu considered a form of Anthrax... if not.. then why stress for nothing... ?
(09:10:05) (livnlaf4ever) You're thinking God's way of population control?
(09:10:10) (Blu) it is sensitive to it, in other words you can still get the virus but you may not die from it
(09:10:17) (Raleigh) well yes mke / level must hppen
(09:10:27) (Raleigh) yet no death ok
(09:10:27) (ky-mike) fact of life
(09:10:36) (WalksInSpirit) Tamiflu isn't a preventive medication. It's only a treatment-oriented medication. it'll only work after you get the flu.
(09:10:47) (Raleigh) no death
(09:10:51) (Raleigh) no deatyh
(09:10:58) (Raleigh) no death
(09:11:03) (Raleigh) no deat h
(09:11:25) (livnlaf4ever) I don't think so Walks, from what I watched yesterday. Unless I am mistaken in what they were saying
(09:11:28) (Qrious) what happens to Satan Ral?
(09:11:49) (WalksInSpirit) They are stockpiling the Tamiflu doses.
(09:11:58) (Raleigh) he is a baby creub that will die yes q
(09:12:08) (Qrious) and his buds?
(09:12:15) (Raleigh) she is to die
(09:12:18) (Qrious) and his followers?
(09:12:20) (Raleigh) wink
(09:12:25) (Raleigh) brb
(09:12:27) (livnlaf4ever) I thought they said that they tried it and it didn't work.
(09:12:35) (Raleigh) his
(09:12:35) (Qrious) and the elect that will fail as well?
(09:12:35) (Raleigh) lol
(09:12:39) (Raleigh) brb
(09:12:51) (Raleigh) she
(09:13:16) (Raleigh) you dont study do you q
(09:13:21) (Raleigh) brb
(09:14:08) (livnlaf4ever) So now they have to look elsewhere
(09:14:43) (Blu) I have not heard that 4 ever, but then I have not heard any recent news
(09:14:45) (WalksInSpirit) They were talking on the news yesterday about how many millions of doses they have stockpiled. Enough for first responders, military, and government officials.
(09:15:10) (patricia) i heard that too WIS
(09:15:41) (Host-Nick) Correct, it seems the government is interested in making sure that the population knows that the military, and Halliburton Inc. profits come first.
(09:15:57) (merri) guess we know who the important one are....
(09:16:12) (Blu) We prolly have more to worry about with the dog and cat flu around here!
(09:16:53) (Host-Nick) The West Nile virus and Lyme disease are far more of a threat from wildlife than the bird flu.
(09:17:22) (Qrious) Ral.. contrary to popular beliefs.. God hates also.. read Malachi 1;3,, and its also in the New Testament.. go fish.
(09:17:29) (ky-mike) there was a bad strain of flu , 2 years ago... killed alot of people !
(09:17:49) (Blu) Wake up Q, Ral left, LOL
(09:20:21) (Host-Nick) I thought this topic would bring to mind the panic mode that humanity is in right now. That and also seeing the way politicians use anything to get their persons onto our news reports. :o(
(09:20:39) (Blu) you could well be right Nick
(09:20:44) (CoolRunningWaters) It is valid Nick.
(09:20:45) (ernie) ky mike where flue killed lots
(09:21:00) (Blu) However, it would be foolish not to be caustious
(09:21:04) (livnlaf4ever) I'm not panicked
(09:21:25) (Host-Nick) There is a potential danger in the bird virus, but it is not much compared to things already present.
(09:21:30) (ernie) im me
(09:21:30) (CoolRunningWaters) People need to see the truth and open their eyes to the way were are manipulated as civilians.
(09:21:31) (ky-mike) allover the us , it darn neer killed me , worse case i ever had
(09:21:42) (Qrious) Well chicken little is coming out in theaters near you.. why not capitalize on it.? lol.
(09:21:45) (CoolRunningWaters) Most true Nick.
(09:21:48) (patricia) i am not panicked either, i know that what ever comes or goes, i will be okay.
(09:21:57) (livnlaf4ever) I agree Cool
(09:22:04) (Blu) What was Mike?
(09:27:28) (WalksInSpirit) Nick, great topic tonight! Thanks!
