Post by WalksInSpirit on Oct 1, 2005 22:04:08 GMT -5
Earth Changes Chat: 10-01-05
"Antarctica"
(08:01:12) (Host-Nick) Tonight we will investigate the last continent on Earth...........
(08:01:16) (Host-Nick) Antarctica
(08:02:11) (Roz) see the hurricanes off Baja and in the gulf of Mexico?
(08:02:27) (Roz) cat 2
(08:02:29) (Von) dont here much about that area Nick
(08:02:32) (vjh) Yes, but one of them is going north and the other one is going to Yucatan.
(08:02:45) (docyabut) hi nick oh no there are just to many on atarctica
(08:03:39) (Host-Nick) Too many? the place is desolate except for penguins, seals and killer whales = orcas.
(08:04:27) (docyabut) all we know now is that it is melting
(08:04:37) (Host-Nick) There is a giant wingless fly howver and some lichens living in pools whose ice melts in the summer, not much else :o)
(08:05:53) (Host-Nick) The global warming seems to be more pronounced at the poles than the rest of the globe. Most of the planet experiences wider seasonal fluctuations and severe storms.
(08:06:31) (ky-mike) yes , the polar bears could go by the wayside
(08:07:07) (Host-Nick) There was an article on the BBC about the Antarctic ice shelf vanishing recently, I'll see if I can find.
(08:10:34) (docyabut) all we know is that large sections are droping off and changing the whole system
(08:11:40) (vjh) Nick, one day this week it shook here more. I think it was Thursday.
(08:12:08) (docyabut) they found sqwigs that dropping down to calf
(08:12:42) (docyabut) where they never used to be before
(08:14:54) (Host-Nick) I noticed, I think there is some magma movements, along the west coast, although the activity is more to the south in California
(08:15:19) (Roz) hurricane have any influence Nick?
(08:15:31) (ky-mike) any volcanic activaty
(08:15:38) (Raleigh) we in idaho have been gettin rare earthquakes nick
(08:15:44) (Raleigh) cascade idaho
(08:15:44) (merri) fires and earthquakes! Calif is having a rough time of it
(08:15:57) (Host-Nick) I do not think so, Roz, this earthquake swarm was about 33 kilometers deep.
(08:16:32) (Roz) tornadoes follow fault lines
(08:16:44) (Raleigh) no kidden
(08:16:47) (merri) can earthquakes cause spontaneous fires Nick
(08:16:55) (merri) ?
(08:17:15) (Host-Nick) Monday is the New Moon, and there has been a lot large scale earthquakes recently. So be on alert next week.
(08:17:24) (Host-Nick) I do not think so merri
(08:18:41) (Host-Nick) Japan, especially, the northwest of America also and watch out for tsunamis from the Aleutians. A lot of volcanos seem to be getting activated.
(08:20:31) (Host-Nick) "There will be new lands seen off the Caribbean sea, and dry land wil appear.... and in the Antarctic off Tierra del Fuego land, and a strait with rushing waters.
(08:20:40) (Raleigh) 4 point quake been hitting use hear nick / this entire last week
(08:20:56) (Host-Nick) This is from Caye reading 3976-15
(08:20:57) (Raleigh) here / all near cascade
(08:21:55) (docyabut) well nick didnt he say new york will be hit frist?
(08:22:01) (Raleigh) got it / ty
(08:22:42) (Host-Nick) The Antarctic Plate largely aseismic and immobile, is broken internally by large rift structures which have produced one of the world's largest alkalic volcanic provinces. The 3,200-kilometer-long West Antarctic rift system is comparable in size to the better-known East African rift.
(08:23:58) (Host-Nick) Underneath all that ice there may be volcanos heating up, ready to erupt. that would really cause some effects around the world. A bit like one in Greenland were to do so also.
(08:24:32) (Von) what exacrly is a rift Nick ??
(08:24:47) (Host-Nick) The Antarctic peninsula is the part which projects towards South America.
(08:25:27) (Host-Nick) A geological rift is a place where the land is collapsing on both sides, as the crust is being split apart along a fracture.
(08:25:34) (Sandy) Nick...lol..thanks! I knew I should have bought a map today!
(08:25:42) (Raleigh) :)
(08:25:57) (docyabut) opps 1152-11 LA and san F will be frist
(08:25:59) (Von) ty Nick
(08:26:21) (Raleigh) well / south and georgia doc
(08:26:56) (Host-Nick) Examples of rifts would be the Mid-Atlantic ridge (now called a rift), the Gulf of California, the African rift valley which follows the line from the corner of the Red Sea southwest towards South Africa.
(08:28:17) (Host-Nick) However the Antarctic continent, although being almost stationary for millions of years has plates sliding past it, and this is breaking some of it off. Thismay be adding to the icecap breaking off.
(08:28:45) (docyabut) i`d belive it bacause nostrodomus and joe brandt also said calf
(08:29:00) (Raleigh) no doc / georgia
(08:29:35) (Raleigh) south too / as miss and la too / may be what was recent / see readings
(08:30:03) (docyabut) nostrodoumus said the new city when two rocks rubbed together -plates
(08:30:25) (Raleigh) new york
(08:30:32) (Raleigh) sorry nick
(08:30:56) (Raleigh) ral duct tapes his typing digit / :)
(08:31:30) (Host-Nick) Despite its size, Antactica ranks below all other regions in number of dated eruptions, and only the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean regions have fewer historically active volcanoes. It's historical record is brief, and 75 percent of its eruptions are from this century
(08:32:04) (docyabut) any one hear of joe brandt visions?
(08:32:28) (Host-Nick) The only active volcano at present is Mount Erebus, but reports of others in the past have been noted as well as volcanos on islands to the south of Africa and SouthAmerica.
(08:33:04) (Host-Nick) Precise dating of past eruptions is difficult -- much of the landscape is glacier-covered, travel is daunting, and the wood needed for radiocarbon dating does not grow in this extreme climate -- and the region has the highest proportion of volcanoes with uncertain status.
(08:35:13) (Host-Nick) There is an island, Desolation island where Ernest Shackleton lead his crew towards when they ship was crushed in ice and they had to drag their boats off the ice to try to reach civilization in 1914. This island had an active volcano when first discovered.
(08:37:25) (Host-Nick) Now the Antarctic being a part of a rift zone has very alkaline rich volcanic lavas. Hot, fast moving lavas, lighter but similar to those seen in the Hawaiian island photos on tv.
(08:39:04) (Host-Nick) The Antarctic volcanos seem to be rich in sodium basalts whereas the African volcanoes are rich in potassium. Other than that the geological setting is very similar. However the c;limate setting is a little different. :o)
(08:40:19) (Host-Nick) The Antarctic peninsula is a discrete crustal block. This means that is has is own tectonic boundaries and is moving relative to the lands around it.
(08:41:20) (LightWarrior) what does tectonic boundaries mean Host-Nick
(08:41:31) (docyabut) rick the antarctica is melitng and there are volcanos there but to me the most interesting thing to me found in the antarctic is the mars rock founf with living originisn in them
(08:41:47) (Host-Nick) This peninsula almost matches the southern tip of South America as it bends east towards the South Georigia and South Shetland islands. The two mountain chains end at a knot under the seafloor.
(08:42:58) (Host-Nick) Tectonic boundaries are the borders of two or more geological plates. Such as the North American plate and the Pacific ocean plate, meeting the boundary formed by eh west coast of North America.
(08:43:20) (docyabut) the ring of fire
(08:44:06) (Host-Nick) Now here at the Antarctic peninsula, we may have a case of a geological plate tipped sideways but the rotation of Antarctica and the southern part of South America.
(08:45:03) (LightWarrior) what an interesting challenge to our learning skills, Host-Nick. I like.
(08:45:42) (Host-Nick) Remeber that of the reading "....and in the Antarctic off of Tierra del Fuego, land, and a strait with rushing waters" was referring to one of the first of the earthchanges to occur.
(08:46:54) (Host-Nick) It would behove us to keep an eye on this mostly forgotten continent, except by geologists, climatologists and biologists
(08:47:19) (LightWarrior) Ah - yes! and many, many other realities. I'm interested in yours
(08:47:44) (Raleigh) and more activity in the torrid zone / near the quater / the reading also sayz / this is happening now btw
(08:48:08) (Host-Nick) There are many volcanos that have been active in historical times along the Antarctic peninsula, based on what a few brave geologists have been able to dig out.
(08:48:58) (Host-Nick) An older cone of Mount Erebus (Fang Volcano), composed largely of benmoreite, was partly destroyed by an unknown event, leaving a caldera of about 6-kilometers diameter
(08:49:55) (Host-Nick) Most historical activity has been confined to the younger caldera. A reported exception was increased fumarolic activity in April-September 1908 and on 17 June 1908, near Abbot Peak, 10 kilometers north-northeast of the summit of Mount Erebus
(08:50:32) (Host-Nick) This is referring to the currently active Mount Erebus, and benmoreite is a sodium rich silica poor basalt lava.
(08:52:05) (docyabut) news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4290340.stm
(08:52:41) (LightWarrior) When did Mount Erebus last erupt in sodium rich lava?
(08:52:58) (Host-Nick) Now if one gets a map out, one sees that Mount Erebus is actually more to the south of Australia, on the western side at the base of the Antarctic peninsula
(08:53:34) (docyabut) If it all piles up in one place, you might have the same total amount of ice," she told the BBC News website, "and there is some evidence that ice is piling up along the north Canadian coast, driven by changes in the pattern of winds and perhaps ocean currents
(08:54:44) (Host-Nick) When last flown over it had a lava lake, which gets covered over with coinders after increased activity, this then melts and a liquid lava lake is formed.
(08:55:43) (Host-Nick) Mount Erebus is thought to have the world longest lived continuous lava lake, since there has always been one since in was first explored in 1841.
(08:55:47) (LightWarrior) So what, exactly, is the effect on those terrible scoops that are miles wide collecting and killing and selling ocean life?
(08:56:34) (docyabut) Possible tipping-points include
(08:57:22) (docyabut) the disappearance of sea ice leading to greater absorption of solar radiation
(08:57:35) (merlin) coinders ...nick was that a typo or actual?
(08:58:02) (docyabut) a switch from forests being net absorbers of carbon dioxide to net producers
(08:58:32) (Host-Nick) Deception Island is of special interest because on at least three occasions, eruptions have occurred simultaneously from multiple vents around a ring fracture. Because leaks of magma along ring structures are known to have preceded some large, prehistoric calder-forming eruptions
(08:58:42) (docyabut) melting permafrost, releasing trapped methane
(08:59:57) (Host-Nick) A 7-kilometer-diameter caldera in the center of Deception Island is largely flooded by sea. The caldera apparently formed as a result of voluminous eruptions of sodic andesite or basaltic andesite (Baker and others, 1975). Numerous active vents are situated along the ring fractures, near the shoreline of the natural harbor.
(09:00:20) (Anonymous) Nick, what should we do?
(09:00:22) (LightWarrior) You know what will happen when this horror occurs - the world will end and the rest of us will keep mocking it up as if nothing ever occured - another so called false prophesy except for those who are no longer with us
(09:00:41) (Host-Nick) Follow the path of the spirit, Anonymous. :o)
(09:01:03) (docyabut) nick is`nt that what done most culture sin the release of metane gas
(09:01:10) (Anonymous) anybody talking folks who want to go now?
(09:01:43) (Host-Nick) The methane is mostly in the Arctic docyabut, it is where there is frozen land not covered by an iceacpe.
(09:02:01) (LightWarrior) I wonder in how many probable realities the world has already ended - nowwe'll all die of metane gas
(09:02:14) (Bear) rotting material, trapped when extreme stress on the surface created yawing that swollowed surface material or when rock layers rolled over each other to sandwich such material between rock layers.
(09:02:36) (Host-Nick) However its disappearance is alarming, because of the amount of land which will sink into the sea.
(09:02:36) (Host-Nick) However its disappearance is alarming, because of the amount of land which will sink into the sea.
(09:03:06) (Anonymous) do we not know that this is not up to us, but to God?
(09:03:09) (toitle) you are getting a free road map anon
(09:03:13) (Host-Nick) The BBc has an article in the science page on the Arctic metling this week.
(09:03:17) (merlin) hey, nick, .........methane / is that what is discharged when one farts?
(09:03:37) (Host-Nick) Depends if you have gas, merlin :o)
(09:03:37) (docyabut) its what done the frist dinosaurs in :0
(09:03:49) (Anonymous) hey, I diserve it
(09:04:16) (Raleigh) the axis shifts often doc / that is what killed the beasts
(09:04:25) (Anonymous) do not the devils and the angels come togetjer?
(09:04:30) (Bear) even the universe has vents
(09:04:53) (ron) thought, perhaps, the cause of their death was their own methane gas
(09:04:55) (LightWarrior) Yeah, the devils and angels romp in the hay now and then we're all ONE
(09:05:03) (toitle) the colonics made everyone pass out doc lol
(09:05:32) (Host-Nick) OK, it seems that the topic is fading, has anyne any questions? :o)
(09:06:06) (Anonymous) yes Nick, should I move from Atlanta GA?
(09:06:21) (Host-Nick) There is enough ice in Antarctica that if melted would raise the sealevels by two meters = six feet or more.
(09:06:33) (LightWarrior) Tell us what to do about it or maybe we should all tell God He may not know about it yet.
(09:06:34) (toitle) lol Anon
(09:06:43) (Anonymous) I know that , but will it flood
(09:06:49) (Raleigh) look / we been getting very rare earthquakes here / so i want to know when to head for montana saskachuan border or nevada / so i can send You food / k / go ahead nick
(09:07:14) (Host-Nick) In the long run, yes, the soutehrn parts of the USA were not safelands and the southern Carolinas were to be flooded as part of the first earthchanges.
(09:07:44) (LightWarrior) But it was New Orleans instead
(09:08:10) (docyabut) well nick most think it was solar flares or coments that made animals and some civiclizations disapaer but ithink it wa metane gas
(09:08:24) (Host-Nick) I do not think the catastraophic earthchanges are to start, just yet. Like Yellostonre erupting, or California disappearing into the sea.
(09:08:59) (LightWarrior) Why not, we've been waiting along time prediction to prediction
(09:09:10) (Bill) doc did you knoe that the biggest threat to the planet concerning green house effect will be due to live stock(cattle) within the next ten yrs.?
(09:09:53) (LightWarrior) The biggest threat to the cattle and other animals is man
(09:09:55) (ron) seems people are looking forward at the coming of desiasters
(09:10:07) (Host-Nick) Don't feed your cows beans and sauerkraut. :o)
(09:10:13) (WalksInSpirit) LOL Nick
(09:10:17) (LightWarrior) Might get us off of this planet!!!
(09:10:37) (ron) free will will get you off this planet
(09:10:39) (merri) LOL Nick!
(09:11:00) (LightWarrior) Tell me where Will is and I'll free him
(09:11:02) (Host-Nick) Overconsumption is tripping this planet of all its life that it has so gently and lovingly allowed to evolve.
(09:11:35) (LightWarrior) Tell em Nick. I'm an animal advocate.
(09:11:57) (Bill) so are i if their not good eating
(09:12:52) (LightWarrior) Host Nick, what shall I do if this is just another probable reality that I miss. Think up another one?
(09:13:13) (docyabut) however i dont think it is man that does it but a cycle of the planet`s seasons
(09:13:48) (Host-Nick) It is the human fixation of doing everything repetitively which just has civilization destroying itself as well as the planet sadly.
(09:14:31) (merri) create a better probable reality LW
(09:14:32) (Host-Nick) No idea LightWarrior, act as your think is for thepath of the Spirit.
(09:15:08) (Host-Nick) OK, has anyone any questions?
(09:15:58) (Host-Nick) OK it is Open Chat
(09:16:02) (docyabut) well nick i use to think it was man slash and burn however tthereare just to many ci
(09:17:04) (WalksInSpirit) Nick, thanks for chat!
(09:20:14) (Nick) An aside on Antarctica, the map of Pirri Reis shows the coast of Antarctica as it would be without the icecap. Evene the Chinese explorers described in 1421: the Year the Chinese discovered America, could not have discovered this.
(09:22:07) (docyabut) nick that is a mystery
(09:24:07) (Nick) It is possible that there were periods of warming in the Antarctic, but not enough to melt the icecap. STudies show that the iceap has been in place for several milion years in some regions.
(09:24:45) (docyabut) i kinda think maybe there was a pole shift we don`t know about that the ice was to heavy causing a slight shift
(09:27:17) (Nick) It is possible that there could have been a slight pole shift. By slight I mean 10 degress, make a difference in some areas while hardly much in others. THis as opposed to a magnetic field reversal or a complete fliover of the Earth's crust.
(09:28:47) (Nick) But a 10 degree pole shift would melt a lot of icecap, and send tsunamis roaring over all the oceans of the world.
(09:28:48) (docyabut) yes nick that could be
(09:30:52) (docyabut) the great flood of tsunamis
(09:31:42) (Nick) This end of times was said to be caused by fire and water. Rather alarming, sounds like a lot of volcanos going off in a chain reaction.
(09:33:06) (Sandy) Nick, how safe is Hawaii?
(09:33:33) (Sandy) Nick, not meaning as a safeland
(09:33:44) (Roz) destruction this time by fire
(09:33:51) (docyabut) its seems cultures all over the world has a account of a great flood however ther is no evidence that the sea levels rose about 200 ft after the last ice age
(09:34:47) (docyabut) however tsunamis do recead
(09:34:49) (Q) it melted Docyabut... lol.
(09:34:53) (merri) so where did all that water go doc?
(09:34:55) (Nick) At present not too bad. However, keeping a wath out for tsunamis is important. The volcanos in Hawaii although formidable, can be monitored and predictions made about their eruptions because they are ocean basalt volcanos.
(09:35:41) (Sandy) Thanks Nick for the information
(09:36:35) (Nick) Since the peak of the last ice age (18,000 years ago) the sealevels have risen about 120 meters = 360 feet from what I have read.
(09:37:54) (Sandy) Nick, how large is the land mass of Anartica..without the ice
(09:39:14) (Nick) It is about 9% of the Earth's continental crust, as to square miles or kilometers I have not got those figures.
(09:39:46) (Nick) However, more of it would rise by the principal of isostasy if the icecap were melted.
(09:39:47) (docyabut) nick i think they will find a culture off the coast of cuba the will date to around 11,000 bc
(09:40:49) (Nick) It is possible, docyabut, more and more findings of human settlement before the last iceage are being found in North and South America.,
(09:40:50) (docyabut) they know there was man in america before colvis
(09:42:57) (Nick) The Monte Verde settlement is in Chile I think dating from somewhere between 22,000 to 35,000 years ago.
(09:43:52) (Nick) That would not suprise me, since the polynesians especially were excellent open ocean navigators.
(09:44:57) (docyabut) there are islands all across the pacific for man to reach the ameicas
(09:45:26) (Q) its a long paddle job to make docy.
(09:46:15) (docyabut) nick that has`nt been proven
(09:47:24) (docyabut) there are no humans bones found that are dated that long ago
(09:47:55) (Nick) It may be that many peoples sailed the Pacific for many years. Lke the people of Mohenjo-Daro or the Indus valley civilization, disappered into the sands of the desert.
(09:48:25) (docyabut) the bagi in calf are only dated 12,000 years ago
(09:50:04) (Raleigh) oh nick i completed the study / and yes i see that year 2036-38 may be correct and i see also cycle starts ec said in 98 / add 40 and get 2038 / from 2012 as maya calendar states
(09:51:08) (docyabut) if there was land in the atlantic there would have been a earlier hommids bones and there are none
(09:51:23) (docyabut) migration
(09:51:45) (Nick) Also the people of Christmas island said that their ancestors had been brought to the island as slaves by the long ears, and that they both lived for hundreds of years on the island, until they revolted.
(10:07:41) (Nick) It as been a greta evening, thank you for being here, Blessings and Peace to all.
(10:07:56) (Sandy) night Nick, thanks for the chat
(10:07:58) (Raleigh) ty nick
(10:08:00) (docyabut) night nick
