Post by WalksInSpirit on Oct 13, 2006 22:19:59 GMT -5
Dream Chat: 10-13-06
(09:22:07) (host-merri) how is everyone's dream state
(09:22:36) (WalksInSpirit) Well, I'm in another dry spell right now, Merri. :-(
(09:23:01) (host-merri) I'm going to post one that was sent to me
(09:23:10) (host-merri) see what you think
(09:23:22) (host-merri) I have their permission to post it
(09:23:34) (WalksInSpirit) Cool
(09:23:54) (host-merri) Dreamed I was a terrorist working at an amusment park(don't know which one) and
(09:24:20) (host-merri) and
(09:24:39) (host-merri) I was going to do a bombing (sucide). I had the explosives hidden in a body cast
(09:25:07) (host-merri) on my arm. Was stopped by some security personal and the plan was
(09:25:32) (host-merri) foiled at the last minute. End of dream.
(09:26:01) (WalksInSpirit) Wow!
(09:26:08) (host-merri) sorry about that couldn't get it to copy
(09:26:50) (ron) does this person have personal problems, difficulties in life?
(09:27:31) (host-merri) not anything pressing at the moment
(09:28:23) (host-merri) Do you think this was a warning dream?
(09:30:06) (ron) about a misapplication? ssems so...but this little terror might be changing their mind
(09:30:32) (ron) the bandaged arm = misapplication
(09:31:07) (host-merri) explosives being hidden?
(09:31:27) (ron) hidden, explosive anger, feelings
(09:31:37) (host-merri) taking place in a theme park
(09:32:36) (ron) within some social situation
(09:32:37) (host-merri) something broken, needs putting back together (cast)
(09:32:46) (ron) yes
(09:32:52) (ron) very good
(09:33:18) (ron) repair took place, thus an accident stopped
(09:34:05) (ron) or foiled
(09:34:17) (ron) terror?
(09:34:27) (host-merri) hmmm
(09:34:42) (host-merri) could be outside influence
(09:35:08) (ron) terrorist = resentment
(09:35:35) (Anonymous1) I think the explosive feelings, and the more symbolic understandings of the terrorist symbol makes a great deal of sense here
(09:36:07) (Anonymous1) did you say he had a cast on the arm?
(09:36:18) (host-merri) yes
(09:36:36) (Anonymous1) yes, clearly then, something broken makes sense as well.
(09:36:55) (ron) representing healing thus upsetting circumstance foiled
(09:38:55) (Anonymous1) it says a full body cast?.....may suggest then hiding his anger and upset (the terrorist with the explosives)...just someone upset and hiding this
(09:42:56) (Deb) Perhaps the Amusement park is revealing that this peson, goes around life, in a social fashion just fine, "pretending then" to have fun, but is really an angry person
(09:43:42) (Deb) perhaps something is going on in the life now, which is attempting to circumvent then, the anger from exploding...
(09:44:14) (host-merri) does seem to have several elements of anger in this dream
(09:44:17) (Deb) like an illness, or an event within the family or some other "masking", type of thing.
(09:44:37) (Deb) to circumvent (foil), the explosion within.
(09:44:52) (Deb) The "Security " Person, is probably the higher self.
(09:45:00) (Deb) the higher mind of the personality
(09:45:44) (host-merri) good point
(09:45:52) (host-merri) any other comments?
(09:45:55) (Deb) usually in dreams, the higher self, will come out in a symbol of an authority figure
(09:47:03) (host-merri) OK that was a dream to start us off....anyone with a dream to share
(09:47:09) (Bill) knowing a person is really helpful when it comes to decoding some of these dreams Merri
(09:47:32) (host-merri) absolutely Bill
(09:47:41) (Deb) That's true , but also, there are archetypes which are from the mass consciousness
(09:47:47) (Deb) i.e. Carl Jung
(09:48:17) (host-merri) still the dream is about the dreamer
(09:48:40) (Deb) always......of course it is. But one may also become very proficient in seeing the archetypes too.
(09:48:57) (Mandy) a person seeing that he wanted to kill his own life..the amusment park of life...Body cast..heavy dragging feelings..cannot explode it...he is stopped by his own loss of energy to shed the illusion of his unfulfilled life
(09:49:01) (ron) and life's current circumstances are included into the dream
(09:51:40) (Mandy) wish I had a dream to share..nothing here merri
(09:51:43) (Deb) Suffice it to say, it was not a "light" or happy dream, but he should take note of it, because, it seems like a warning to him.
(09:51:51) (Deb) so he is blessed to have it.,and remember it.
(09:52:28) (host-merri) no problem Mandy
(09:52:33) (Deb) we're very lucky when we can remember our dreams, in vivid details then work on them
(09:53:15) (Mandy) dreams give us individual meanings, we here can only have a look see, it is a great opportunity for us
(09:53:15) (host-merri) it just takes some effort Deb not luck
(09:53:18) (ernie) yes it is ui go thru spells of good super vivid dreams
(09:53:30) (ernie) im not dreaming much now tho]\
(09:53:48) (host-merri) yes you are ernie
(09:53:57) (ernie) so what do i do merri say im going to dream /
(09:54:03) (host-merri) need to work on your recall
(09:54:03) (Deb) I have one I can share, but it's older now, about a year ago
(09:54:14) (Mandy) oh ernie I bet you have some great dreams..you must make a note to Self to remember them for us here!
(09:54:24) (ernie) ok
(09:54:24) (host-merri) no problem Deb
(09:54:28) (Mandy) oh goody Deb
(09:54:38) (Deb) for the symbols in it, it may be good
(09:54:41) (ernie) you going to tutor me emerri'
(09:54:52) (host-merri) LOL
(09:55:05) (Deb) First the background.......My grandmother was 100 years old when I left her home town & moved west
(09:55:17) (Deb) So I felt I'd probably not see her again.
(09:55:39) (Deb) As it turned out, my mother, (her youngest can with us), and died first
(09:55:53) (Deb) So my grandmother, was always close to my heart, and mind.
(09:56:03) (Deb) but not physically.
(09:56:41) (Deb) Not long after my mother died, (in 97) who was her youngest child, then; I had a dream of my grandmother
(09:57:01) (Deb) in the dream, I was holding her aroundher shoulders....and walking around the block of her old city neighborhood
(09:57:19) (Deb) and I was steering her, or protectively holding her around the shoulders as we walked
(09:57:41) (Deb) I knew that this woman didn't know me anymore, and was not cognizant of who I was, but I felt great love for her
(09:58:07) (Deb) that was it........ end of dream
(09:58:27) (Deb) Approx. 6 mos to one year later, I was told that she had taken a turn for the worse,
(09:58:30) (Mandy) such Love..Wow..can feel it
(09:58:34) (ron) she, i thought, wass trying to show you that she needed your prayers
(09:58:45) (Deb) and was coming down with Alzheimers disease
(09:59:02) (Deb) By the year 2000? or 2001, all memory was gone.
(09:59:35) (host-merri) the dream was a preparation?
(09:59:37) (Deb) She just died in 2005, physically, and I had another dream of that, but I felt the earlier one was the one in which we said goodbye, (in the Astral realm)
(09:59:39) (Mandy) sounds like a Real Connection with Great Love and Compassion..so beautiful
(09:59:43) (Deb) Exactly.
(09:59:48) (Deb) yes, merri.
(10:00:07) (Moira) I have a funny one
(10:00:14) (Deb) good, lol
(10:00:41) (Moira) I dreamt that my old boss has been sleeping under my bed I woke up in my dream
(10:00:55) (Mandy) I just have such chills from that Deb
(10:01:04) (ron) lol...keeping and eye on you
(10:01:19) (Deb) mandy, I always dream and communicate with the dead in my dreams too.
(10:01:26) (Moira) and looked under the bed and said What are you doing under there and went under the bed to talk lol but his wife saw him and wont let him do it anymore ROFL
(10:01:42) (Mandy) very evolved you are
(10:01:45) (Moira) lI guess ron
(10:02:03) (Moira) HAHAHAHA
(10:02:20) (Bill) gee Moira i thought i was the only one with the key :o)
(10:02:28) (Moira) lol BIll
(10:02:30) (host-merri) LOLOL
(10:02:31) (ron) well, maybe that eye he has on you may have more than one meanings since he has a wife lol
(10:02:35) (MaryAnne) lol, that is funny Moira
(10:02:41) (Moira) what does this stupid dream mean lol
(10:02:43) (Mandy) what kind of a relationship did you have with your old boss Moira?
(10:03:12) (host-merri) looks like a control issue Moira
(10:03:15) (Moira) zippo nada nothing just a work thing
(10:03:27) (Mandy) LOL
(10:03:29) (ron) the bedroom, secrets...perhaps, secret thoughts lol
(10:03:39) (Moira) okay
(10:03:40) (Mandy) your funny..but you picked it up
(10:03:48) (Moira) ty ron
(10:04:32) (Deb) I forgot the most important part of the dream's analyzation Merri, when I woke up, LOL
(10:04:42) (Moira) we do similar spiritual work and he wanted to know what I learned without having to ask yup thats it
(10:04:51) (Deb) it was that the "going around the block" was telling me "she went around the Bend", i.e. Alzheimers
(10:04:56) (ron) i'm having some fun with you moira, as well
(10:05:28) (Moira) its ok lots of truth in humor at times ron
(10:06:22) (host-merri) many a true word was said in jest!
(10:06:29) (Mandy) and Deb..you gave her such love before she went around the Bend..love from a deep Sourse
(10:07:29) (Mandy) Love is Power..it seeps in, in many ways
(10:07:50) (Mandy) dreams are wonderful as communicators
(10:08:59) (Mandy) oh anything, old dreams..this is so much fun..tell us
(10:09:16) (Deb) I think we are on many various levels of consciousness "all at once" and when we dream we can then "meet up" with our loved ones, on levels other then the conscious ones
(10:09:50) (Deb) the "key" is Love.
(10:09:51) (Moira) how many ppl go in to dreams and change them?
(10:10:05) (Mandy) oh yes, we are multidimensional beings..dreams are the second way to communicate deep thoughts and communion
(10:10:15) (Deb) I have a real question about those, the "Lucid Dreams" and manipulation of same
(10:10:31) (Mandy) well, we know you do Moira
(10:10:42) (Moira) thats is simliar Deb
(10:10:43) (Mandy) I used too with my sister
(10:11:01) (Moira) ar you sleeping under my bed too Mandy
(10:11:02) (ron) i have been in lucid dreams and made decisions of what i'd like to do next...just like in a conscious, waking state
(10:11:08) (Mandy) we would enter each others dreams
(10:11:20) (WalksInSpirit) Cool, Mandy!
(10:11:21) (Deb) I really think people do all the time, but to consciously do, so, may circumvent the purpose of conscious life & the lving of it. (the challenges)
(10:11:24) (Mandy) lol! Moira
(10:11:30) (host-merri) koooool Mandy
(10:12:31) (host-merri) in what way Deb
(10:12:37) (Mandy) see many people do many things "otherworldly" they just never have anyone to tell
(10:12:50) (Mandy) they just do it
(10:12:53) (Deb) well, I once asked my husband about this, (as he is very spiritually adept) and I was interested i lucid dreams
(10:13:10) (Deb) and he suggested that it may circumvent then........in other words, we are here for a purpose
(10:13:13) (Mandy) me too Deb
(10:13:24) (Deb) and even if we can "figure Out" then, how to cross over into the other realms,
(10:13:33) (Deb) we may do so, (the manipulations), at our own detriment
(10:13:53) (Bill) Deb the ability to change a dream can be very benificial in overcoming many pits falls eg. fear of heights, or mi9nds sets for mind is the builder the physical the result
(10:13:59) (ron) no detriment here
(10:14:13) (Deb) the Ego, (as Cayce warns us), is very very strong here to do manipulative things., on each level, not just here on this one.
(10:14:13) (Mandy) yes..we are here to awaken ultimatly..but most get curcumvented
(10:14:36) (Deb) For sure Bill......but I'm not talking about for those reasons, like to quit smokig etc,
(10:14:44) (Deb) those are suggestions we give our subconsicous minds.
(10:14:59) (host-merri) we cross over to other realms every night
(10:15:05) (host-merri) in sleep
(10:15:11) (Moira) lets say someone is attacking you dont you think it is ok to defend yourself
(10:15:25) (Deb) I'm tlaking about websites that I 've seen where there is truly an effort to change the reality, by the dream first, to then change the waking life, in an Purposeful way......
(10:15:45) (Deb) but to "manipulate" then the events where others are concerned, (not ourselves)
(10:15:49) (Moira) so you change the outcome this way
(10:16:06) (Moira) that is what I meant to make it better
(10:16:23) (ron) that dream is telling you to defend yourself, or face further troublsome experiences if you don't
(10:16:46) (ron) that hypothetical dream
(10:16:57) (Mandy) oh Deb..so many Enlightened people smoked..lol...it is how you feel aboout it in the End
(10:17:11) (MaryAnne) I must say goodnight.....thanks merri...it is always very intersting
(10:17:18) (Deb) In lucid dreams you actually are walking around fully cognizent of people, p laces & things.....as you are AWARE then.
(10:17:51) (Deb) I smoked for over 30 years too Mandy. Still would enjoy it I'm sure., lol
(10:18:04) (Mandy) oh Deb...you should teach us more about astral travel
(10:18:18) (Mandy) the second body
(10:18:26) (Deb) I can tell you that it will come, in it's own time........one doesn't need to force it.
(10:18:51) (Bill) all my dreams are lucid Deb i have the option to make choices during these dreams as to the out come if i wish'
(10:18:54) (Deb) the conscious travel that is.
(10:19:00) (Mandy) and do you have a wonderful time..and are you free from fear there?
(10:19:07) (Moira) ty merri nice chat I have to throw some logs now lol
(10:19:29) (host-merri) thankyou for sharing
(10:19:36) (Deb) Where I'm coming from is to suggest that the simple virtues that Cayce spoke of have a place, right here, for learning about.
(10:19:56) (Deb) and once we are "evolved" enough, then vibrationally, the astral body seperates of it's OWN accord.
(10:20:07) (Deb) to the higher vibration......one doens't need to force it.
(10:20:16) (Deb) by a conscious projection
(10:20:32) (Mandy) the Only thing you see with Astral Travel Deb..is it is the Second Body and still the Desire Body...eventually you will reach the 4th body..where all illusion vanishes
(10:20:52) (Mandy) but the road is so fun
(10:20:57) (Deb) Although certainly many people do this. (Purposefully & Consciously), almost like an experiment then, or fun.
(10:22:04) (ron) are there any more dreams?
(10:22:28) (Deb) Mandy have you read the old books, by Robert Monroe, (the late Monroe), who worte the first how to?
(10:22:36) (Deb) wrote
(10:22:55) (host-merri) how to what?
(10:22:56) (Deb) He wrote, "Jouney's out of the Body"
(10:23:04) (Deb) back in the late 70s
(10:23:29) (Deb) There is now an institute in Virginia he founded, (it's on the internet), just google Robert Monroe
(10:23:56) (Deb) teaching people even today, how to consciously, seperate from the physical body in a "Conscious " Astral travel
(10:23:58) (Mandy) oh yes, I love Robert Monroe Deb..my sister went to his house and met him!
(10:24:16) (Deb) but I don't subscribe to it. myself........but he certainly added a lot to the knowledge .
(10:24:38) (Mandy) he was very quiet and in another place she said..Sat on the staircase and just watched her talk
(10:25:08) (Mandy) read all his books too Deb!
(10:27:07) (Mandy) do you hear the Thunder or tinkling of bells before you leave the body Deb?
(09:22:36) (WalksInSpirit) Well, I'm in another dry spell right now, Merri. :-(
(09:23:01) (host-merri) I'm going to post one that was sent to me
(09:23:10) (host-merri) see what you think
(09:23:22) (host-merri) I have their permission to post it
(09:23:34) (WalksInSpirit) Cool
(09:23:54) (host-merri) Dreamed I was a terrorist working at an amusment park(don't know which one) and
(09:24:20) (host-merri) and
(09:24:39) (host-merri) I was going to do a bombing (sucide). I had the explosives hidden in a body cast
(09:25:07) (host-merri) on my arm. Was stopped by some security personal and the plan was
(09:25:32) (host-merri) foiled at the last minute. End of dream.
(09:26:01) (WalksInSpirit) Wow!
(09:26:08) (host-merri) sorry about that couldn't get it to copy
(09:26:50) (ron) does this person have personal problems, difficulties in life?
(09:27:31) (host-merri) not anything pressing at the moment
(09:28:23) (host-merri) Do you think this was a warning dream?
(09:30:06) (ron) about a misapplication? ssems so...but this little terror might be changing their mind
(09:30:32) (ron) the bandaged arm = misapplication
(09:31:07) (host-merri) explosives being hidden?
(09:31:27) (ron) hidden, explosive anger, feelings
(09:31:37) (host-merri) taking place in a theme park
(09:32:36) (ron) within some social situation
(09:32:37) (host-merri) something broken, needs putting back together (cast)
(09:32:46) (ron) yes
(09:32:52) (ron) very good
(09:33:18) (ron) repair took place, thus an accident stopped
(09:34:05) (ron) or foiled
(09:34:17) (ron) terror?
(09:34:27) (host-merri) hmmm
(09:34:42) (host-merri) could be outside influence
(09:35:08) (ron) terrorist = resentment
(09:35:35) (Anonymous1) I think the explosive feelings, and the more symbolic understandings of the terrorist symbol makes a great deal of sense here
(09:36:07) (Anonymous1) did you say he had a cast on the arm?
(09:36:18) (host-merri) yes
(09:36:36) (Anonymous1) yes, clearly then, something broken makes sense as well.
(09:36:55) (ron) representing healing thus upsetting circumstance foiled
(09:38:55) (Anonymous1) it says a full body cast?.....may suggest then hiding his anger and upset (the terrorist with the explosives)...just someone upset and hiding this
(09:42:56) (Deb) Perhaps the Amusement park is revealing that this peson, goes around life, in a social fashion just fine, "pretending then" to have fun, but is really an angry person
(09:43:42) (Deb) perhaps something is going on in the life now, which is attempting to circumvent then, the anger from exploding...
(09:44:14) (host-merri) does seem to have several elements of anger in this dream
(09:44:17) (Deb) like an illness, or an event within the family or some other "masking", type of thing.
(09:44:37) (Deb) to circumvent (foil), the explosion within.
(09:44:52) (Deb) The "Security " Person, is probably the higher self.
(09:45:00) (Deb) the higher mind of the personality
(09:45:44) (host-merri) good point
(09:45:52) (host-merri) any other comments?
(09:45:55) (Deb) usually in dreams, the higher self, will come out in a symbol of an authority figure
(09:47:03) (host-merri) OK that was a dream to start us off....anyone with a dream to share
(09:47:09) (Bill) knowing a person is really helpful when it comes to decoding some of these dreams Merri
(09:47:32) (host-merri) absolutely Bill
(09:47:41) (Deb) That's true , but also, there are archetypes which are from the mass consciousness
(09:47:47) (Deb) i.e. Carl Jung
(09:48:17) (host-merri) still the dream is about the dreamer
(09:48:40) (Deb) always......of course it is. But one may also become very proficient in seeing the archetypes too.
(09:48:57) (Mandy) a person seeing that he wanted to kill his own life..the amusment park of life...Body cast..heavy dragging feelings..cannot explode it...he is stopped by his own loss of energy to shed the illusion of his unfulfilled life
(09:49:01) (ron) and life's current circumstances are included into the dream
(09:51:40) (Mandy) wish I had a dream to share..nothing here merri
(09:51:43) (Deb) Suffice it to say, it was not a "light" or happy dream, but he should take note of it, because, it seems like a warning to him.
(09:51:51) (Deb) so he is blessed to have it.,and remember it.
(09:52:28) (host-merri) no problem Mandy
(09:52:33) (Deb) we're very lucky when we can remember our dreams, in vivid details then work on them
(09:53:15) (Mandy) dreams give us individual meanings, we here can only have a look see, it is a great opportunity for us
(09:53:15) (host-merri) it just takes some effort Deb not luck
(09:53:18) (ernie) yes it is ui go thru spells of good super vivid dreams
(09:53:30) (ernie) im not dreaming much now tho]\
(09:53:48) (host-merri) yes you are ernie
(09:53:57) (ernie) so what do i do merri say im going to dream /
(09:54:03) (host-merri) need to work on your recall
(09:54:03) (Deb) I have one I can share, but it's older now, about a year ago
(09:54:14) (Mandy) oh ernie I bet you have some great dreams..you must make a note to Self to remember them for us here!
(09:54:24) (ernie) ok
(09:54:24) (host-merri) no problem Deb
(09:54:28) (Mandy) oh goody Deb
(09:54:38) (Deb) for the symbols in it, it may be good
(09:54:41) (ernie) you going to tutor me emerri'
(09:54:52) (host-merri) LOL
(09:55:05) (Deb) First the background.......My grandmother was 100 years old when I left her home town & moved west
(09:55:17) (Deb) So I felt I'd probably not see her again.
(09:55:39) (Deb) As it turned out, my mother, (her youngest can with us), and died first
(09:55:53) (Deb) So my grandmother, was always close to my heart, and mind.
(09:56:03) (Deb) but not physically.
(09:56:41) (Deb) Not long after my mother died, (in 97) who was her youngest child, then; I had a dream of my grandmother
(09:57:01) (Deb) in the dream, I was holding her aroundher shoulders....and walking around the block of her old city neighborhood
(09:57:19) (Deb) and I was steering her, or protectively holding her around the shoulders as we walked
(09:57:41) (Deb) I knew that this woman didn't know me anymore, and was not cognizant of who I was, but I felt great love for her
(09:58:07) (Deb) that was it........ end of dream
(09:58:27) (Deb) Approx. 6 mos to one year later, I was told that she had taken a turn for the worse,
(09:58:30) (Mandy) such Love..Wow..can feel it
(09:58:34) (ron) she, i thought, wass trying to show you that she needed your prayers
(09:58:45) (Deb) and was coming down with Alzheimers disease
(09:59:02) (Deb) By the year 2000? or 2001, all memory was gone.
(09:59:35) (host-merri) the dream was a preparation?
(09:59:37) (Deb) She just died in 2005, physically, and I had another dream of that, but I felt the earlier one was the one in which we said goodbye, (in the Astral realm)
(09:59:39) (Mandy) sounds like a Real Connection with Great Love and Compassion..so beautiful
(09:59:43) (Deb) Exactly.
(09:59:48) (Deb) yes, merri.
(10:00:07) (Moira) I have a funny one
(10:00:14) (Deb) good, lol
(10:00:41) (Moira) I dreamt that my old boss has been sleeping under my bed I woke up in my dream
(10:00:55) (Mandy) I just have such chills from that Deb
(10:01:04) (ron) lol...keeping and eye on you
(10:01:19) (Deb) mandy, I always dream and communicate with the dead in my dreams too.
(10:01:26) (Moira) and looked under the bed and said What are you doing under there and went under the bed to talk lol but his wife saw him and wont let him do it anymore ROFL
(10:01:42) (Mandy) very evolved you are
(10:01:45) (Moira) lI guess ron
(10:02:03) (Moira) HAHAHAHA
(10:02:20) (Bill) gee Moira i thought i was the only one with the key :o)
(10:02:28) (Moira) lol BIll
(10:02:30) (host-merri) LOLOL
(10:02:31) (ron) well, maybe that eye he has on you may have more than one meanings since he has a wife lol
(10:02:35) (MaryAnne) lol, that is funny Moira
(10:02:41) (Moira) what does this stupid dream mean lol
(10:02:43) (Mandy) what kind of a relationship did you have with your old boss Moira?
(10:03:12) (host-merri) looks like a control issue Moira
(10:03:15) (Moira) zippo nada nothing just a work thing
(10:03:27) (Mandy) LOL
(10:03:29) (ron) the bedroom, secrets...perhaps, secret thoughts lol
(10:03:39) (Moira) okay
(10:03:40) (Mandy) your funny..but you picked it up
(10:03:48) (Moira) ty ron
(10:04:32) (Deb) I forgot the most important part of the dream's analyzation Merri, when I woke up, LOL
(10:04:42) (Moira) we do similar spiritual work and he wanted to know what I learned without having to ask yup thats it
(10:04:51) (Deb) it was that the "going around the block" was telling me "she went around the Bend", i.e. Alzheimers
(10:04:56) (ron) i'm having some fun with you moira, as well
(10:05:28) (Moira) its ok lots of truth in humor at times ron
(10:06:22) (host-merri) many a true word was said in jest!
(10:06:29) (Mandy) and Deb..you gave her such love before she went around the Bend..love from a deep Sourse
(10:07:29) (Mandy) Love is Power..it seeps in, in many ways
(10:07:50) (Mandy) dreams are wonderful as communicators
(10:08:59) (Mandy) oh anything, old dreams..this is so much fun..tell us
(10:09:16) (Deb) I think we are on many various levels of consciousness "all at once" and when we dream we can then "meet up" with our loved ones, on levels other then the conscious ones
(10:09:50) (Deb) the "key" is Love.
(10:09:51) (Moira) how many ppl go in to dreams and change them?
(10:10:05) (Mandy) oh yes, we are multidimensional beings..dreams are the second way to communicate deep thoughts and communion
(10:10:15) (Deb) I have a real question about those, the "Lucid Dreams" and manipulation of same
(10:10:31) (Mandy) well, we know you do Moira
(10:10:42) (Moira) thats is simliar Deb
(10:10:43) (Mandy) I used too with my sister
(10:11:01) (Moira) ar you sleeping under my bed too Mandy
(10:11:02) (ron) i have been in lucid dreams and made decisions of what i'd like to do next...just like in a conscious, waking state
(10:11:08) (Mandy) we would enter each others dreams
(10:11:20) (WalksInSpirit) Cool, Mandy!
(10:11:21) (Deb) I really think people do all the time, but to consciously do, so, may circumvent the purpose of conscious life & the lving of it. (the challenges)
(10:11:24) (Mandy) lol! Moira
(10:11:30) (host-merri) koooool Mandy
(10:12:31) (host-merri) in what way Deb
(10:12:37) (Mandy) see many people do many things "otherworldly" they just never have anyone to tell
(10:12:50) (Mandy) they just do it
(10:12:53) (Deb) well, I once asked my husband about this, (as he is very spiritually adept) and I was interested i lucid dreams
(10:13:10) (Deb) and he suggested that it may circumvent then........in other words, we are here for a purpose
(10:13:13) (Mandy) me too Deb
(10:13:24) (Deb) and even if we can "figure Out" then, how to cross over into the other realms,
(10:13:33) (Deb) we may do so, (the manipulations), at our own detriment
(10:13:53) (Bill) Deb the ability to change a dream can be very benificial in overcoming many pits falls eg. fear of heights, or mi9nds sets for mind is the builder the physical the result
(10:13:59) (ron) no detriment here
(10:14:13) (Deb) the Ego, (as Cayce warns us), is very very strong here to do manipulative things., on each level, not just here on this one.
(10:14:13) (Mandy) yes..we are here to awaken ultimatly..but most get curcumvented
(10:14:36) (Deb) For sure Bill......but I'm not talking about for those reasons, like to quit smokig etc,
(10:14:44) (Deb) those are suggestions we give our subconsicous minds.
(10:14:59) (host-merri) we cross over to other realms every night
(10:15:05) (host-merri) in sleep
(10:15:11) (Moira) lets say someone is attacking you dont you think it is ok to defend yourself
(10:15:25) (Deb) I'm tlaking about websites that I 've seen where there is truly an effort to change the reality, by the dream first, to then change the waking life, in an Purposeful way......
(10:15:45) (Deb) but to "manipulate" then the events where others are concerned, (not ourselves)
(10:15:49) (Moira) so you change the outcome this way
(10:16:06) (Moira) that is what I meant to make it better
(10:16:23) (ron) that dream is telling you to defend yourself, or face further troublsome experiences if you don't
(10:16:46) (ron) that hypothetical dream
(10:16:57) (Mandy) oh Deb..so many Enlightened people smoked..lol...it is how you feel aboout it in the End
(10:17:11) (MaryAnne) I must say goodnight.....thanks merri...it is always very intersting
(10:17:18) (Deb) In lucid dreams you actually are walking around fully cognizent of people, p laces & things.....as you are AWARE then.
(10:17:51) (Deb) I smoked for over 30 years too Mandy. Still would enjoy it I'm sure., lol
(10:18:04) (Mandy) oh Deb...you should teach us more about astral travel
(10:18:18) (Mandy) the second body
(10:18:26) (Deb) I can tell you that it will come, in it's own time........one doesn't need to force it.
(10:18:51) (Bill) all my dreams are lucid Deb i have the option to make choices during these dreams as to the out come if i wish'
(10:18:54) (Deb) the conscious travel that is.
(10:19:00) (Mandy) and do you have a wonderful time..and are you free from fear there?
(10:19:07) (Moira) ty merri nice chat I have to throw some logs now lol
(10:19:29) (host-merri) thankyou for sharing
(10:19:36) (Deb) Where I'm coming from is to suggest that the simple virtues that Cayce spoke of have a place, right here, for learning about.
(10:19:56) (Deb) and once we are "evolved" enough, then vibrationally, the astral body seperates of it's OWN accord.
(10:20:07) (Deb) to the higher vibration......one doens't need to force it.
(10:20:16) (Deb) by a conscious projection
(10:20:32) (Mandy) the Only thing you see with Astral Travel Deb..is it is the Second Body and still the Desire Body...eventually you will reach the 4th body..where all illusion vanishes
(10:20:52) (Mandy) but the road is so fun
(10:20:57) (Deb) Although certainly many people do this. (Purposefully & Consciously), almost like an experiment then, or fun.
(10:22:04) (ron) are there any more dreams?
(10:22:28) (Deb) Mandy have you read the old books, by Robert Monroe, (the late Monroe), who worte the first how to?
(10:22:36) (Deb) wrote
(10:22:55) (host-merri) how to what?
(10:22:56) (Deb) He wrote, "Jouney's out of the Body"
(10:23:04) (Deb) back in the late 70s
(10:23:29) (Deb) There is now an institute in Virginia he founded, (it's on the internet), just google Robert Monroe
(10:23:56) (Deb) teaching people even today, how to consciously, seperate from the physical body in a "Conscious " Astral travel
(10:23:58) (Mandy) oh yes, I love Robert Monroe Deb..my sister went to his house and met him!
(10:24:16) (Deb) but I don't subscribe to it. myself........but he certainly added a lot to the knowledge .
(10:24:38) (Mandy) he was very quiet and in another place she said..Sat on the staircase and just watched her talk
(10:25:08) (Mandy) read all his books too Deb!
(10:27:07) (Mandy) do you hear the Thunder or tinkling of bells before you leave the body Deb?
