Post by WalksInSpirit on Nov 4, 2005 22:44:27 GMT -5
Dream Chat: 11-07-05
(09:19:00) (host-merri) Everyone ready to share their dreams
(09:19:29) (vjh) I had one last Friday night.
(09:19:35) (host-merri) Since the subconscious and superconscious come forward in dreamtime, I thought Cayce’s interpretation (from the Cayce Companion) might be helpful in understanding what is happening when we dream.
(09:20:06) (host-merri) concerning the subconscious and superconscious
(09:20:26) (Blu) cool Merri
(09:20:34) (lilith) lead on, Merri
(09:20:51) (host-merri) Definition of the words ‘sub-conscious mind’: That lying between the soul and spirit forces within the entity, and is reached more thoroughly when the conscious mind is under subjugation of the soul forces of the individual or physical body. We may see manifestation in those of the so-called spiritual-minded people. The manifestation of the subconscious in their action. That portion of the body better known as the one that propagates or takes care o
(09:21:31) (Blu) cut off Merri at takes care o
(09:21:51) (Cheryl) "takes care of....." - go on.
(09:23:13) (host-merri) In the consciousness of earthy or material forces there enters all the attributes of the physical, fleshly body. In the subconscious there enters the attributes of soul forces, and of the conscious forces. In the superconscious there enters the subconscious forces, and spiritual discernment and development.
(09:23:14) (lilith) repeating "learned" behavior, Merri?
(09:23:27) (host-merri) yes
(09:24:22) (host-merri) The superconscious mind being that of the spiritual entity, and in action only when the subconscious is become the conscious mind. The subconscious being the superconscious of the physical entity, partaking then of the soul forces, and of the material plane, as acted upon through and by mental mind. Hence the developing in the physical plane through environment being that as is given to the soul forces in subconscious mind to live upon.
(09:26:05) (host-merri) A-As pertaining to an individual, yes. As pertaining to Universal Forces, in the larger sense, no, but through the superconscious the Universal Forces are made active in subconsciousness. As is illustrated in the work as done through the body, Edgar Cayce…The superconsiousness is a portion of the great Universal Forces.
(09:27:14) (host-merri) ok now that you are all clear about the sub and superconscious
(09:27:34) (host-merri) anyone with a dream to share
(09:27:54) (Blu) I have something I would like to share about the subconscious
(09:28:04) (host-merri) sure Blu
(09:28:13) (kazu) go ahead
(09:28:13) (vjh) I had a dream about beautiful mountains and I know what they usuall mean in my dreams.
(09:28:19) (Blu) You know how it is recomended to watch self go by?
(09:28:32) (host-merri) yes
(09:28:33) (lilith) yup
(09:28:33) (Blu) Like reviewing your day?
(09:28:43) (patricia) yes, Blu
(09:28:58) (Blu) Do you find that a little difficult, like you have to really focus and almost meditate?
(09:29:12) (host-merri) at times
(09:29:39) (Blu) I was doing it a while back while I was driving, and I realized I had to stop
(09:30:11) (patricia) OMG Blu, you need to be careful
(09:30:11) (Blu) I realized that to so that review of the day thing you are in the same state as in dreams
(09:30:21) (Blu) You are right Patricia
(09:30:31) (Blu) not to be done while driving
(09:30:48) (patricia) nope, not a good idea
(09:31:00) (Blu) It is the same kind of focus you have to have in meditation and sleep
(09:31:16) (lilith) deep thinking before - after REM?
(09:31:39) (Blu) But I realized that this is a very practical way to bring that state into a conscous awareness
(09:31:40) (lilith) feel one leads into the other -
(09:31:55) (Wanda) So don't go by-by while watching yourself go by
(09:32:00) (Blu) LOL @ Wanda
(09:32:15) (Blu) It is setting self aside
(09:32:54) (Blu) I just thought that was an easy way to undestand the difference those states of being.
(09:32:58) (Bear) anything happen at those mountains
(09:33:08) (host-merri) thankyou Blu
(09:33:18) (Blu) Thanks for letting me share
(09:34:17) (lilith) merri - I think it is possible, in setting self aside, that one can go too far, be cautious
(09:35:27) (Bill) so vjh are you going to finish that mt. dream for us :o)
(09:35:54) (host-merri) Have to leave folks...an emergency....Blu will be your host for tonight
(09:36:18) (Blu) VJH You have left us all hanging!
(09:36:28) (lilith) Blu - question - "stepping aside" - again, practice so you do it in REM, later, earlier?
(09:36:33) (Blu) They want to know about the mountains
(09:36:43) (lilith) as opposed to being in the car
(09:36:53) (Blu) I do it in meditation Lilith
(09:37:05) (lilith) ty Blu
(09:37:15) (Blu) What does it mean Vj?
(09:37:18) (Blu) YW Lilith!
(09:37:28) (vjh-2) Every time I dream about mountains it means some kind of big obstacles and I had some big obstacles this week. And the childhood friend symbolized my sister who I knew in childhood who I've been having trouble with.
(09:38:05) (vjh-2) But in the dream we were trying to photograph the mountains where it was such a pretty view and in the dream we could only do that right after sunrise.
(09:38:17) (Blu) So an obstacle that leads to a beautiful oportunity?
(09:38:27) (vjh-2) And I have an Indian guide named Rising Sun so I figure that he was communicating with me.
(09:39:13) (vjh-2) Then in the dream there were some people around me who were doing some not so honorable things and I tried to turn my head. And that's obviously about my sister's son who is on crack and causing alot of trouble in the family.
(09:39:15) (Bear) I seen mountains diferently
(09:39:35) (Blu) How do you see them Bear/
(09:39:52) (ron) if you are on Bluberry Hill
(09:40:14) (Bear) majestic, spiritual even
(09:40:21) (vjh-2) I didn't tell my self to dream of mountains when there are obstacles but I've learned that that's what it means when I dream of mountains.
(09:41:18) (Cheryl) The High Country, the spiritual realm, maybe?
(09:41:23) (Wanda) symbols have different meanings for different people.
(09:41:52) (Bill) vjh the mts. may represent obsticles the the dream is giving you adivice on how to deal with them
(09:41:59) (lilith) don't we just feel closer to God in the mountains
(09:42:09) (patricia) i do
(09:42:12) (Blu) Yep Lilith we do
(09:42:30) (ron) obstactles to be overcome
(09:42:32) (Bill) relize the beauty in stepping stones and how they are for your overall benifit
(09:42:32) (Blu) what is that bit VJ about the taking a pic at sunrise?
(09:42:39) (lilith) quiet strength, spiritually coming through
(09:42:42) (Roz) mountains could be a source of inspiration
(09:42:57) (vjh-2) but there wasn't anymore to it than that. They had a beautiful view and I don't know why obstacles are beautiful.
(09:43:11) (Blu) because they are opportunities for growth, which is why we are here!
(09:43:16) (ron) spiritual achievement
(09:43:21) (Bill) look for the beauty in all things
(09:43:31) (vjh-2) Because I have an Indian guide named Rising Sun and the only time we could photograph the view with the sun in the right place was within a few minutes of sunrise.
(09:44:27) (vjh-2) I was having a rough time at the beginning of the week. I had some real problems.
(09:45:09) (Blu) Did the dream help you work it out VJ?
(09:45:39) (Q) a situation you can do something about... a problem is something you can't do something about.. and have to deal with... military thinking.. so how about improvising?
(09:45:54) (Blu) Anyone else with a dream?
(09:45:54) (vjh-2) Not really. I think the only thing new it told me was that my Indian guide Rising Sun is here with me. Things look better now though. Things got better during the week.
(09:47:15) (lilith) blu - may/may not be a dream - I "travel" = 6 weeks ago was in SF, and on the Embarcadaro, saw the building I had dreamed of, walked in, sat in - knew each & every room of it -
(09:47:46) (lilith) am sure others do that
(09:47:46) (ron) deva ju
(09:47:56) (lilith) all over again
(09:48:11) (Blu) Is that a ship?
(09:48:50) (lilith) whaat, Blu?
(09:49:05) (Blu) Is the Embarcadaro a ship?
(09:49:24) (lilith) naw, waterfront in SF
(09:49:31) (Blu) Oh!
(09:49:53) (Anne) why were you there
(09:50:13) (lilith) Navy reunion/visting nieces/living it up
(09:50:18) (Blu) Cool Lilith, you first dream of everything you will ever do
(09:51:08) (lilith) after all these years, Ron, it still surprises me to walk into something I have obviously known forever/before - am sure everyone else does it too
(09:52:00) (Anne) well we don't
(09:52:09) (ron) yes, lilith, some of my past experiences does that to me as well...i feel that i've gone thru that before :)
(09:52:49) (ron) some current experiences*
(09:52:54) (Anne) t hat is what makes you a one of a kind
(09:53:05) (Blu) I think it's cool cause it kind of brings us back to the bigger reality suddenly Lilith
(09:53:14) (lilith) naw - not really - not one of a kind - & that's pretty common
(09:53:35) (lilith) well, it certainly stops you in your tracks momentarily
(09:53:51) (Blu) Like we are on auto pilot and suddenly you are like, Bang here is the truth again since you are forgetting!
(09:54:14) (lilith) xakl
(09:54:27) (Blu) Cool, I love when that happens Lilith
(09:54:33) (lilith) ditto
(09:54:46) (lilith) can still be startling
(09:54:53) (Blu) Oh yes, it can
(09:54:58) (Blu) Sure Helen
(09:55:15) (LightBearerHelen) Why is it that in my dreams I can be in a room or building - very discript surroundings, but somehow I *know* I"m really someplace else (that's totally different), such as the beach or flying or in a forest... No imagery depicts where I *know* I really am. It's just my surrouding are totally different than where I appear to be. This happens a lot.
(09:55:45) (LightBearerHelen) It's just my surrouding are totally different than where I know I am (oops)
(09:56:02) (Bill) change your medication
(09:56:08) (LightBearerHelen) :)
(09:56:23) (lilith) never had that experience - unsettling, isn't it
(09:56:32) (lilith) Bill!
(09:56:44) (LightBearerHelen) actually, not really.
(09:56:51) (Blu) Maybe that is because your dreams has more than one level Helen
(09:57:28) (Blu) like at one level it's about your body, then on another level it is about your spiritual growth
(09:57:33) (lilith) Blu - can it be one dream sort of "nudging" the other to make way?
(09:57:52) (Blu) House = body or life, forrest = subconscious, flying super conscious?
(09:57:52) (LightBearerHelen) I never get that feel.
(09:58:02) (LightBearerHelen) it's almost like I'm in two places at the very same time.
(09:58:26) (Blu) That sounds good to me Helen!
(09:58:50) (Blu) I don't recall ever having a dream like that
(09:58:57) (Bill) maybe your dreaming in your dream ?
(09:59:05) (lilith) nor I, but don't see why it can't happen -
(09:59:10) (LightBearerHelen) doesn't "feel" like that but it's certainly a possibility
(09:59:17) (Blu) Me either Lilith
(09:59:21) (merlin) is there any lucidity lil
(09:59:38) (lilith) in this?
(09:59:59) (Blu) It's helen's dream merlin
(10:00:27) (LightBearerHelen) lots, merlin
(10:01:01) (merlin) sorry bout that !
(10:01:06) (Blu) Sounds like you are a ware of the levels of conscousness to me Helen
(10:01:33) (LightBearerHelen) I'm not sure I understand what you just said. I mean, I get the words but not the meaning.
(10:01:43) (LightBearerHelen) I don't feel aware...
(10:01:55) (LightBearerHelen) would you know if you were awarea??
(10:01:58) (Blu) well, that is just lucid dreaming
(10:02:17) (Blu) At some level you do
(10:02:19) (lilith) Helen - in either of these "states" do you ever see yourself in a mirror?
(10:02:28) (LightBearerHelen) never. not once.
(10:02:35) (LightBearerHelen) no reflections of any kind. not in water, etc.
(10:02:45) (lilith) hmmm
(10:02:56) (LightBearerHelen) my thoughts exactly, Lilith.
(10:03:33) (LightBearerHelen) example.. I dreamed the ohter night- was in a building with tables / chairs / place settings...
(10:03:34) (lilith) blu - somehow one dream superimposed on the other?
(10:03:47) (LightBearerHelen) but I *knew* I was at the beach.. I was body surfing.
(10:03:50) (LightBearerHelen) all at the same time.
(10:03:52) (Blu) I have no idea Lilith
(10:04:05) (Blu) we should save this for Merri!
(10:04:18) (lilith) beyond me
(10:05:18) (LightBearerHelen) Thanks everyone. I appreciate the insights. Lots to think on. :)
(10:05:33) (Blu) LOL, don't think we helped much!
(10:05:44) (LightBearerHelen) you helped a lot!
(10:05:48) (Anne) same here
(10:05:48) (Blu) But that is interesting, I will be thinking about it!
(10:05:53) (LightBearerHelen) Thanks, Blu.
(10:05:54) (LightBearerHelen) :)
(10:05:56) (LightBearerHelen) I"m very grateful.
(10:06:03) (lilith) Helen - why not put a paper near you - immediately you awaken, write down verbatim
(10:06:07) (Blu) You are welcome we are sure
(10:06:08) (Bill) Helen one is where your at and the other is just wishful thinking on your part :o)
(10:06:11) (merlin) i remember having similar dreams
(10:06:15) (LightBearerHelen) I just started a dream journal last week.
(10:06:18) (lilith) bring your writings back
(10:06:25) (LightBearerHelen) that explains the surfing...
(10:06:28) (Blu) You did merlin?
(10:06:43) (merlin) i believe that one needs to take each one separately and analyze it.
(10:07:06) (Blu) That is good bill, sounds reasonable
(10:07:21) (lilith) blu - perhaps the second dream has the message & "wants in"???
(10:07:23) (Blu) That is true merlin, very logical\
(10:07:29) (Bill) just a wild guess Blu
(10:07:29) (merlin) were your dreams helen opposites of each other.?
(10:07:33) (LightBearerHelen) which is the second one?
(10:07:46) (LightBearerHelen) opposite - not really. They seem very unrelated.
(10:07:55) (lilith) wherever you were the first time when the other one horned in
(10:08:01) (Blu) in door / out door
(10:08:07) (LightBearerHelen) I see. That makes sense.
(10:08:17) (merlin) the one that comes in upon the first major dream
(10:08:26) (lilith) xakl
(10:08:50) (Roz) when you do lucid dreaming, its much like that you realize that you are not in the drem
(10:09:07) (lilith) believe one can be just enjoyment - other says "hey, DO something about something" been wrong before tho,
(10:09:15) (Roz) dream but can become a part of it
(10:09:32) (Bill) right Roz you are a by stander and can be any place
(10:09:41) (Roz) yup
(10:10:05) (merlin) a doppelganger
(10:10:19) (lilith) and "duty" sort of calls with the second?
(10:12:05) (Blu) Helen does that help at all?
(10:12:21) (LightBearerHelen) very much, yes.
(10:12:26) (LightBearerHelen) Excellent ideas to think on.
(10:13:15) (Blu) Ok, anyone else have a dream they want to talk about?
(10:14:23) (Blu) Well, I had one!
(10:14:36) (Blu) I am going to make you listen to mine if you don't step up!
(10:14:49) (lilith) fire away
(10:14:52) (Blu) ok
(10:15:14) (Blu) I am walking along this road. On my right is this strange looking " cafe ".
(10:15:53) (Blu) It is built into the side of a wall of rock, with nooks and cranies where people were all sitting around drinking coffee's and lattee
(10:16:19) (Blu) It had some greenery growing out ot he rock and looked Kind of like Frank Lloyd Wright
(10:16:41) (Blu) They were all looking back at me and I was thinking, this is too weird
(10:16:46) (Blu) LOL
(10:17:27) (Blu) The stone was really neat the way it was so natural and reminded me of Brown County
(10:17:35) (Blu) end
(10:17:59) (LightBearerHelen) was there anything familiar to you in the dream?
(10:18:05) (lilith) that's IT?
(10:18:13) (Blu) just the feeling of everything being natural
(10:18:16) (Blu) that's it
(10:18:33) (Blu) you know "organic"
(10:18:52) (Blu) That is why in the dream I said , this is weird, cause it was
(10:19:19) (lilith) sounds pleasant enuf to me - others?
(10:19:25) (Blu) LOL
(10:19:41) (Blu) We have been making an effort to go organic around here, which is not easy
(10:20:18) (lilith) well, blu - if the people kept drinking latte, and didn't throw rocks - just enjoy the memory!!! laffin
(10:20:28) (Blu) LOL
(10:20:42) (Blu) I wish I knew a place like that to go to!
(10:21:04) (zoe) i wanna be in that dream, Blu...............F.L.Wright..............the structure is organic, Blu
(10:21:20) (Blu) You know there is a house near by that reminds me of that dream
(10:21:34) (Anne) my firest thought was to be more up to date, in your teachings,
(10:21:48) (Blu) I liked the way the places to sit were carved inside the rock
(10:22:10) (LightBearerHelen) rocks are often symbolic of strength. Perhaps an affirmation of the new changes (organic) in your life?
(10:22:16) (Blu) Up date teachings? I don't teach!
(10:22:22) (Anne) with a tryed and true concept
(10:22:29) (Blu) I am thinking that would be so Helen
(10:23:13) (Blu) OK, NEXT!
(10:24:09) (zoe) sounds like a friendly place.......earth friendly and friendly to you, Blu
(10:24:23) (BlackWolf) Where is merri tonight? :o)
(10:24:45) (Blu) Oh yeah Zoe, that is it, I went out and bought all those eco bulbs for the house to help save the environement!
(10:24:49) (WalksInSpirit) She had an emergency and had to leave, BW.
(10:25:34) (BlackWolf) And who decided to have guest host, WalksinSpirit? :o)
(10:26:20) (WalksInSpirit) BlackWolf, Merri asked Blu to take over for her.
(10:26:53) (Anne) blu your teaching is going to reach another leavel
(10:27:03) ::: Parts: BlackWolf
(10:27:18) (Blu) Ok Anne
(10:28:17) (Blu) Anyone else with a dream?
(10:28:45) (zoe) oh, Blu, i do have a little dream for us here in chat
(10:28:53) (Blu) Great!
(10:29:22) (zoe) i was thinking about us when i was traveling and was thinking about the wizard of oz......more
(10:29:55) (zoe) and how the yellow brick road is a story of how life can be for us on the earth journey
(10:30:30) (zoe) and we sometimes seek a "wizard" to fix us.
(10:31:10) (zoe) then the clear message was, as elton john sang,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,our journey lies beyond the yellow brick road
(10:31:20) (zoe) end of dream
(10:31:50) (Blu) That is pretty cool Zoe!
(10:32:29) (Blu) Also don't trust wizards
(10:32:47) (zoe) smiles..................we don't need them
(10:32:54) (Blu) Right Zoe
(10:33:00) (zoe) except for storytelling
(10:33:05) (Blu) LOL
(10:33:10) (Blu) Yes, I like them there
(10:34:59) (Blu) Ok, if no one else has a dream???
(10:35:26) (Blu) LOL, it's open chat
(09:19:29) (vjh) I had one last Friday night.
(09:19:35) (host-merri) Since the subconscious and superconscious come forward in dreamtime, I thought Cayce’s interpretation (from the Cayce Companion) might be helpful in understanding what is happening when we dream.
(09:20:06) (host-merri) concerning the subconscious and superconscious
(09:20:26) (Blu) cool Merri
(09:20:34) (lilith) lead on, Merri
(09:20:51) (host-merri) Definition of the words ‘sub-conscious mind’: That lying between the soul and spirit forces within the entity, and is reached more thoroughly when the conscious mind is under subjugation of the soul forces of the individual or physical body. We may see manifestation in those of the so-called spiritual-minded people. The manifestation of the subconscious in their action. That portion of the body better known as the one that propagates or takes care o
(09:21:31) (Blu) cut off Merri at takes care o
(09:21:51) (Cheryl) "takes care of....." - go on.
(09:23:13) (host-merri) In the consciousness of earthy or material forces there enters all the attributes of the physical, fleshly body. In the subconscious there enters the attributes of soul forces, and of the conscious forces. In the superconscious there enters the subconscious forces, and spiritual discernment and development.
(09:23:14) (lilith) repeating "learned" behavior, Merri?
(09:23:27) (host-merri) yes
(09:24:22) (host-merri) The superconscious mind being that of the spiritual entity, and in action only when the subconscious is become the conscious mind. The subconscious being the superconscious of the physical entity, partaking then of the soul forces, and of the material plane, as acted upon through and by mental mind. Hence the developing in the physical plane through environment being that as is given to the soul forces in subconscious mind to live upon.
(09:26:05) (host-merri) A-As pertaining to an individual, yes. As pertaining to Universal Forces, in the larger sense, no, but through the superconscious the Universal Forces are made active in subconsciousness. As is illustrated in the work as done through the body, Edgar Cayce…The superconsiousness is a portion of the great Universal Forces.
(09:27:14) (host-merri) ok now that you are all clear about the sub and superconscious
(09:27:34) (host-merri) anyone with a dream to share
(09:27:54) (Blu) I have something I would like to share about the subconscious
(09:28:04) (host-merri) sure Blu
(09:28:13) (kazu) go ahead
(09:28:13) (vjh) I had a dream about beautiful mountains and I know what they usuall mean in my dreams.
(09:28:19) (Blu) You know how it is recomended to watch self go by?
(09:28:32) (host-merri) yes
(09:28:33) (lilith) yup
(09:28:33) (Blu) Like reviewing your day?
(09:28:43) (patricia) yes, Blu
(09:28:58) (Blu) Do you find that a little difficult, like you have to really focus and almost meditate?
(09:29:12) (host-merri) at times
(09:29:39) (Blu) I was doing it a while back while I was driving, and I realized I had to stop
(09:30:11) (patricia) OMG Blu, you need to be careful
(09:30:11) (Blu) I realized that to so that review of the day thing you are in the same state as in dreams
(09:30:21) (Blu) You are right Patricia
(09:30:31) (Blu) not to be done while driving
(09:30:48) (patricia) nope, not a good idea
(09:31:00) (Blu) It is the same kind of focus you have to have in meditation and sleep
(09:31:16) (lilith) deep thinking before - after REM?
(09:31:39) (Blu) But I realized that this is a very practical way to bring that state into a conscous awareness
(09:31:40) (lilith) feel one leads into the other -
(09:31:55) (Wanda) So don't go by-by while watching yourself go by
(09:32:00) (Blu) LOL @ Wanda
(09:32:15) (Blu) It is setting self aside
(09:32:54) (Blu) I just thought that was an easy way to undestand the difference those states of being.
(09:32:58) (Bear) anything happen at those mountains
(09:33:08) (host-merri) thankyou Blu
(09:33:18) (Blu) Thanks for letting me share
(09:34:17) (lilith) merri - I think it is possible, in setting self aside, that one can go too far, be cautious
(09:35:27) (Bill) so vjh are you going to finish that mt. dream for us :o)
(09:35:54) (host-merri) Have to leave folks...an emergency....Blu will be your host for tonight
(09:36:18) (Blu) VJH You have left us all hanging!
(09:36:28) (lilith) Blu - question - "stepping aside" - again, practice so you do it in REM, later, earlier?
(09:36:33) (Blu) They want to know about the mountains
(09:36:43) (lilith) as opposed to being in the car
(09:36:53) (Blu) I do it in meditation Lilith
(09:37:05) (lilith) ty Blu
(09:37:15) (Blu) What does it mean Vj?
(09:37:18) (Blu) YW Lilith!
(09:37:28) (vjh-2) Every time I dream about mountains it means some kind of big obstacles and I had some big obstacles this week. And the childhood friend symbolized my sister who I knew in childhood who I've been having trouble with.
(09:38:05) (vjh-2) But in the dream we were trying to photograph the mountains where it was such a pretty view and in the dream we could only do that right after sunrise.
(09:38:17) (Blu) So an obstacle that leads to a beautiful oportunity?
(09:38:27) (vjh-2) And I have an Indian guide named Rising Sun so I figure that he was communicating with me.
(09:39:13) (vjh-2) Then in the dream there were some people around me who were doing some not so honorable things and I tried to turn my head. And that's obviously about my sister's son who is on crack and causing alot of trouble in the family.
(09:39:15) (Bear) I seen mountains diferently
(09:39:35) (Blu) How do you see them Bear/
(09:39:52) (ron) if you are on Bluberry Hill
(09:40:14) (Bear) majestic, spiritual even
(09:40:21) (vjh-2) I didn't tell my self to dream of mountains when there are obstacles but I've learned that that's what it means when I dream of mountains.
(09:41:18) (Cheryl) The High Country, the spiritual realm, maybe?
(09:41:23) (Wanda) symbols have different meanings for different people.
(09:41:52) (Bill) vjh the mts. may represent obsticles the the dream is giving you adivice on how to deal with them
(09:41:59) (lilith) don't we just feel closer to God in the mountains
(09:42:09) (patricia) i do
(09:42:12) (Blu) Yep Lilith we do
(09:42:30) (ron) obstactles to be overcome
(09:42:32) (Bill) relize the beauty in stepping stones and how they are for your overall benifit
(09:42:32) (Blu) what is that bit VJ about the taking a pic at sunrise?
(09:42:39) (lilith) quiet strength, spiritually coming through
(09:42:42) (Roz) mountains could be a source of inspiration
(09:42:57) (vjh-2) but there wasn't anymore to it than that. They had a beautiful view and I don't know why obstacles are beautiful.
(09:43:11) (Blu) because they are opportunities for growth, which is why we are here!
(09:43:16) (ron) spiritual achievement
(09:43:21) (Bill) look for the beauty in all things
(09:43:31) (vjh-2) Because I have an Indian guide named Rising Sun and the only time we could photograph the view with the sun in the right place was within a few minutes of sunrise.
(09:44:27) (vjh-2) I was having a rough time at the beginning of the week. I had some real problems.
(09:45:09) (Blu) Did the dream help you work it out VJ?
(09:45:39) (Q) a situation you can do something about... a problem is something you can't do something about.. and have to deal with... military thinking.. so how about improvising?
(09:45:54) (Blu) Anyone else with a dream?
(09:45:54) (vjh-2) Not really. I think the only thing new it told me was that my Indian guide Rising Sun is here with me. Things look better now though. Things got better during the week.
(09:47:15) (lilith) blu - may/may not be a dream - I "travel" = 6 weeks ago was in SF, and on the Embarcadaro, saw the building I had dreamed of, walked in, sat in - knew each & every room of it -
(09:47:46) (lilith) am sure others do that
(09:47:46) (ron) deva ju
(09:47:56) (lilith) all over again
(09:48:11) (Blu) Is that a ship?
(09:48:50) (lilith) whaat, Blu?
(09:49:05) (Blu) Is the Embarcadaro a ship?
(09:49:24) (lilith) naw, waterfront in SF
(09:49:31) (Blu) Oh!
(09:49:53) (Anne) why were you there
(09:50:13) (lilith) Navy reunion/visting nieces/living it up
(09:50:18) (Blu) Cool Lilith, you first dream of everything you will ever do
(09:51:08) (lilith) after all these years, Ron, it still surprises me to walk into something I have obviously known forever/before - am sure everyone else does it too
(09:52:00) (Anne) well we don't
(09:52:09) (ron) yes, lilith, some of my past experiences does that to me as well...i feel that i've gone thru that before :)
(09:52:49) (ron) some current experiences*
(09:52:54) (Anne) t hat is what makes you a one of a kind
(09:53:05) (Blu) I think it's cool cause it kind of brings us back to the bigger reality suddenly Lilith
(09:53:14) (lilith) naw - not really - not one of a kind - & that's pretty common
(09:53:35) (lilith) well, it certainly stops you in your tracks momentarily
(09:53:51) (Blu) Like we are on auto pilot and suddenly you are like, Bang here is the truth again since you are forgetting!
(09:54:14) (lilith) xakl
(09:54:27) (Blu) Cool, I love when that happens Lilith
(09:54:33) (lilith) ditto
(09:54:46) (lilith) can still be startling
(09:54:53) (Blu) Oh yes, it can
(09:54:58) (Blu) Sure Helen
(09:55:15) (LightBearerHelen) Why is it that in my dreams I can be in a room or building - very discript surroundings, but somehow I *know* I"m really someplace else (that's totally different), such as the beach or flying or in a forest... No imagery depicts where I *know* I really am. It's just my surrouding are totally different than where I appear to be. This happens a lot.
(09:55:45) (LightBearerHelen) It's just my surrouding are totally different than where I know I am (oops)
(09:56:02) (Bill) change your medication
(09:56:08) (LightBearerHelen) :)
(09:56:23) (lilith) never had that experience - unsettling, isn't it
(09:56:32) (lilith) Bill!
(09:56:44) (LightBearerHelen) actually, not really.
(09:56:51) (Blu) Maybe that is because your dreams has more than one level Helen
(09:57:28) (Blu) like at one level it's about your body, then on another level it is about your spiritual growth
(09:57:33) (lilith) Blu - can it be one dream sort of "nudging" the other to make way?
(09:57:52) (Blu) House = body or life, forrest = subconscious, flying super conscious?
(09:57:52) (LightBearerHelen) I never get that feel.
(09:58:02) (LightBearerHelen) it's almost like I'm in two places at the very same time.
(09:58:26) (Blu) That sounds good to me Helen!
(09:58:50) (Blu) I don't recall ever having a dream like that
(09:58:57) (Bill) maybe your dreaming in your dream ?
(09:59:05) (lilith) nor I, but don't see why it can't happen -
(09:59:10) (LightBearerHelen) doesn't "feel" like that but it's certainly a possibility
(09:59:17) (Blu) Me either Lilith
(09:59:21) (merlin) is there any lucidity lil
(09:59:38) (lilith) in this?
(09:59:59) (Blu) It's helen's dream merlin
(10:00:27) (LightBearerHelen) lots, merlin
(10:01:01) (merlin) sorry bout that !
(10:01:06) (Blu) Sounds like you are a ware of the levels of conscousness to me Helen
(10:01:33) (LightBearerHelen) I'm not sure I understand what you just said. I mean, I get the words but not the meaning.
(10:01:43) (LightBearerHelen) I don't feel aware...
(10:01:55) (LightBearerHelen) would you know if you were awarea??
(10:01:58) (Blu) well, that is just lucid dreaming
(10:02:17) (Blu) At some level you do
(10:02:19) (lilith) Helen - in either of these "states" do you ever see yourself in a mirror?
(10:02:28) (LightBearerHelen) never. not once.
(10:02:35) (LightBearerHelen) no reflections of any kind. not in water, etc.
(10:02:45) (lilith) hmmm
(10:02:56) (LightBearerHelen) my thoughts exactly, Lilith.
(10:03:33) (LightBearerHelen) example.. I dreamed the ohter night- was in a building with tables / chairs / place settings...
(10:03:34) (lilith) blu - somehow one dream superimposed on the other?
(10:03:47) (LightBearerHelen) but I *knew* I was at the beach.. I was body surfing.
(10:03:50) (LightBearerHelen) all at the same time.
(10:03:52) (Blu) I have no idea Lilith
(10:04:05) (Blu) we should save this for Merri!
(10:04:18) (lilith) beyond me
(10:05:18) (LightBearerHelen) Thanks everyone. I appreciate the insights. Lots to think on. :)
(10:05:33) (Blu) LOL, don't think we helped much!
(10:05:44) (LightBearerHelen) you helped a lot!
(10:05:48) (Anne) same here
(10:05:48) (Blu) But that is interesting, I will be thinking about it!
(10:05:53) (LightBearerHelen) Thanks, Blu.
(10:05:54) (LightBearerHelen) :)
(10:05:56) (LightBearerHelen) I"m very grateful.
(10:06:03) (lilith) Helen - why not put a paper near you - immediately you awaken, write down verbatim
(10:06:07) (Blu) You are welcome we are sure
(10:06:08) (Bill) Helen one is where your at and the other is just wishful thinking on your part :o)
(10:06:11) (merlin) i remember having similar dreams
(10:06:15) (LightBearerHelen) I just started a dream journal last week.
(10:06:18) (lilith) bring your writings back
(10:06:25) (LightBearerHelen) that explains the surfing...
(10:06:28) (Blu) You did merlin?
(10:06:43) (merlin) i believe that one needs to take each one separately and analyze it.
(10:07:06) (Blu) That is good bill, sounds reasonable
(10:07:21) (lilith) blu - perhaps the second dream has the message & "wants in"???
(10:07:23) (Blu) That is true merlin, very logical\
(10:07:29) (Bill) just a wild guess Blu
(10:07:29) (merlin) were your dreams helen opposites of each other.?
(10:07:33) (LightBearerHelen) which is the second one?
(10:07:46) (LightBearerHelen) opposite - not really. They seem very unrelated.
(10:07:55) (lilith) wherever you were the first time when the other one horned in
(10:08:01) (Blu) in door / out door
(10:08:07) (LightBearerHelen) I see. That makes sense.
(10:08:17) (merlin) the one that comes in upon the first major dream
(10:08:26) (lilith) xakl
(10:08:50) (Roz) when you do lucid dreaming, its much like that you realize that you are not in the drem
(10:09:07) (lilith) believe one can be just enjoyment - other says "hey, DO something about something" been wrong before tho,
(10:09:15) (Roz) dream but can become a part of it
(10:09:32) (Bill) right Roz you are a by stander and can be any place
(10:09:41) (Roz) yup
(10:10:05) (merlin) a doppelganger
(10:10:19) (lilith) and "duty" sort of calls with the second?
(10:12:05) (Blu) Helen does that help at all?
(10:12:21) (LightBearerHelen) very much, yes.
(10:12:26) (LightBearerHelen) Excellent ideas to think on.
(10:13:15) (Blu) Ok, anyone else have a dream they want to talk about?
(10:14:23) (Blu) Well, I had one!
(10:14:36) (Blu) I am going to make you listen to mine if you don't step up!
(10:14:49) (lilith) fire away
(10:14:52) (Blu) ok
(10:15:14) (Blu) I am walking along this road. On my right is this strange looking " cafe ".
(10:15:53) (Blu) It is built into the side of a wall of rock, with nooks and cranies where people were all sitting around drinking coffee's and lattee
(10:16:19) (Blu) It had some greenery growing out ot he rock and looked Kind of like Frank Lloyd Wright
(10:16:41) (Blu) They were all looking back at me and I was thinking, this is too weird
(10:16:46) (Blu) LOL
(10:17:27) (Blu) The stone was really neat the way it was so natural and reminded me of Brown County
(10:17:35) (Blu) end
(10:17:59) (LightBearerHelen) was there anything familiar to you in the dream?
(10:18:05) (lilith) that's IT?
(10:18:13) (Blu) just the feeling of everything being natural
(10:18:16) (Blu) that's it
(10:18:33) (Blu) you know "organic"
(10:18:52) (Blu) That is why in the dream I said , this is weird, cause it was
(10:19:19) (lilith) sounds pleasant enuf to me - others?
(10:19:25) (Blu) LOL
(10:19:41) (Blu) We have been making an effort to go organic around here, which is not easy
(10:20:18) (lilith) well, blu - if the people kept drinking latte, and didn't throw rocks - just enjoy the memory!!! laffin
(10:20:28) (Blu) LOL
(10:20:42) (Blu) I wish I knew a place like that to go to!
(10:21:04) (zoe) i wanna be in that dream, Blu...............F.L.Wright..............the structure is organic, Blu
(10:21:20) (Blu) You know there is a house near by that reminds me of that dream
(10:21:34) (Anne) my firest thought was to be more up to date, in your teachings,
(10:21:48) (Blu) I liked the way the places to sit were carved inside the rock
(10:22:10) (LightBearerHelen) rocks are often symbolic of strength. Perhaps an affirmation of the new changes (organic) in your life?
(10:22:16) (Blu) Up date teachings? I don't teach!
(10:22:22) (Anne) with a tryed and true concept
(10:22:29) (Blu) I am thinking that would be so Helen
(10:23:13) (Blu) OK, NEXT!
(10:24:09) (zoe) sounds like a friendly place.......earth friendly and friendly to you, Blu
(10:24:23) (BlackWolf) Where is merri tonight? :o)
(10:24:45) (Blu) Oh yeah Zoe, that is it, I went out and bought all those eco bulbs for the house to help save the environement!
(10:24:49) (WalksInSpirit) She had an emergency and had to leave, BW.
(10:25:34) (BlackWolf) And who decided to have guest host, WalksinSpirit? :o)
(10:26:20) (WalksInSpirit) BlackWolf, Merri asked Blu to take over for her.
(10:26:53) (Anne) blu your teaching is going to reach another leavel
(10:27:03) ::: Parts: BlackWolf
(10:27:18) (Blu) Ok Anne
(10:28:17) (Blu) Anyone else with a dream?
(10:28:45) (zoe) oh, Blu, i do have a little dream for us here in chat
(10:28:53) (Blu) Great!
(10:29:22) (zoe) i was thinking about us when i was traveling and was thinking about the wizard of oz......more
(10:29:55) (zoe) and how the yellow brick road is a story of how life can be for us on the earth journey
(10:30:30) (zoe) and we sometimes seek a "wizard" to fix us.
(10:31:10) (zoe) then the clear message was, as elton john sang,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,our journey lies beyond the yellow brick road
(10:31:20) (zoe) end of dream
(10:31:50) (Blu) That is pretty cool Zoe!
(10:32:29) (Blu) Also don't trust wizards
(10:32:47) (zoe) smiles..................we don't need them
(10:32:54) (Blu) Right Zoe
(10:33:00) (zoe) except for storytelling
(10:33:05) (Blu) LOL
(10:33:10) (Blu) Yes, I like them there
(10:34:59) (Blu) Ok, if no one else has a dream???
(10:35:26) (Blu) LOL, it's open chat
