Post by WalksInSpirit on Nov 4, 2006 0:09:17 GMT -5
The Great Migration: 11-02-06
Part Six: The Mound Builders & North American Indians
Part Six: The Mound Builders & North American Indians
Host-blu says: Mike would you pray for us please?
true_eagle_mike says: k
true_eagle_mike says: r father in heaver .. bless all .. who r here .. an help an heal all those in need
true_eagle_mike says: in your name we pray .... AMEN
Host-blu says: Amen
ron says: amen
Host-blu says: Part Six: The Mound Builders And The North American Indians
JohnB says: Amen
Host-blu says: For many years, after the coming of the first settlers to the east coast, the great hillocks and embankments of the Mound Builders remained unnoticed, perhaps partly because, even then,
Roz says: Amen
Host-blu says: they were so ancient that many of them were covered with tall old trees. All attention was, at first, centered on the regions east of the Allegheny Mountains.
Host-blu says: It is interesting to learn that Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, William Henry Harrison, and Noah Webster were among the first to recognize the mounds as American antiquities, worthy of note, and worth exploring.
Host-blu says: Harrison credited them to the Aztecs, but later investigators and explorers were convinced they were the work of predecessors of the American Indians then occupying that area.
Host-blu says: No one, at that early date, had the temerity to suggest that the Mound Builders might have been alien to the scene, strangers from vanished continents.
Host-blu says: It is in the Edgar Cayce Readings that we catch glimpses of tumults, catastrophes, and resulting movements of people, meeting, mixing, separating, in search of homes in a new land.
Host-blu says: "Before that we find the entity was in the Yucatan land where the groups gathered from the Atlantean land. The entity was rather of the natives but able to embrace and to become a part of the general activities there.
Host-blu says: Thus becoming an associate or companion to one of those who were set in authority in the land." Edgar Cayce Reading 5255-1
Host-blu says: Iltar, a leader and a priest, had left Atlantis with "some ten individuals" of Poseidia, and had found temporary security in Yucatan, to the west. As a follower of the Law Of One and of the house of Atlan, he had erected temples in the new country.
Host-blu says: However, with the final upheaval that followed sinking of the last of the Atlantean islands, these temples were destroyed and the contours of the then Yucatan and Mexico areas were changed.
Host-blu says: With the Atlanteans in Yucatan were refugees from Mu, people from Oz and Og in Peru, some of the Incas and also those "of the Mosaic influence."
Host-blu says: I am not sure what this Mosaic influence means, have you got any ideas Roz?
Host-blu says: At first I thought it meant a people who were a mix as in a mosaic picture, but now I am not sure
Host-blu says: This would be to early for Moses would it not?
true_eagle_mike says: yes
ron says: tribes of the time of Moses, was my interpretation...but i could be wrong
Host-blu says: But then again they say that there are lost tribes here in this country, lost tribes of Isreal
Roz says: or a patchwork
Host-blu says: I am begining to think that way too Ron
Host-blu says: That is something to look into, I will try to find out.
Host-blu says: But this heterogeneous mixture of people, according to the Readings:
Host-blu says: "those in Yucatan, those in the adjoining lands as begun by Iltar, gradually lost in their activities, and came to be that people termed, in other portions of America, the Mound Builders." - Edgar Cayce Reading 5750-1
Host-blu says: Attesting to the great numbers of people who came from the Gulf Of Mexico and wandered northward, are the 5,000 or more tumuli (mounds) to be found in Ohio alone. This seems to have been the point of greatest concentration.
Roz says: ye Mormons consider being a remenant of the lost tribes
Host-blu says: I think the Cherokee are too
Host-blu says: they actually have found a lot of jewsih itmes here that are pre columbus and older
Host-blu says: However, the mounds are not confined to any one state; they are scattered over at least twenty states, including those bordering on the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers and their tributaries, from the Great Lakes to the Gulf Of Mexico and even as far west as the Dakotas.
Host-blu says: John Wesley Powell, the Grand Canyon explorer, who was deeply interested in Indians and their problems, speculated that the Mound Builders were a powerful people, superior to the Indians, and much advanced in such arts as making pottery, metal-working and weaving.
Host-blu says: That the original Mound Builders had made an attempt to secure their homesites is seen in the military characteristics of some of their clay and dirt monuments, especially those of Fort Ancient and Fort Hill.
Host-blu says: www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=14427 (Click on the picture for a larger view)
Host-blu says: there are clickable links when it's posted at Red Path
Host-blu says: The mounds were mainly built to honor the dead, but some of them apparently were used for religious purposes and dwellings, though ordinarily the village sites were adjacent to the mounds.
Host-blu says: Stripped of everything except their innate skill, the Mound Builders seemed to be trying to achieve order and harmony in their lives, while establishing friendly relations with the aboriginal people into whose country they had intruded.
Host-blu says: "The entity was among those near a place now known as the mounds of the natives of the land, or in the Talladega area, and among those peoples of the Talladega Indians, as they are called, but rather of those that had made and did make for the associations with the periods of the white man, the red man.
Host-blu says: The entity then, as an Indian maiden in the name Telula, gave much to her own peoples in making for the associations that brought the relationships that had not existed with these peoples at that time;
Host-blu says: yet losing in the latter portion of same by the associations that brought activities in material relations that brought harm, in that they produced hate in the associations at the time." - Edgar Cayce Reading 518-1
Host-blu says: "Before that we find the entity was in the land of the present nativity, during those periods when there were the spreadings of those teachings that had come from the lands from which
Host-blu says: those peoples came that were known as the Lost Tribes, as well as from Atlantis, Yucatan, the Inca, and the land of On [?]. [Og?]
Host-blu says: They were portions of the entity's people then, in that part of the land now known as the central portion of Ohio, during the early portion of the Mound Builders. There the entity was a priestess of those peoples that were a part of the experiences there of those peoples.
Host-blu says: For while confusions arose from the tenets of the Hebraic as well as the Atlantean, as well as the Inca, these became centralized or localized in the expressions of those peoples and those groups in that particular period of their activity.
Host-blu says: Ok, here it refers to the hebraic
Host-blu says: Hebraic, I think we are talking about one of the lost tribles of Isreal
Host-blu says: LOL, tribe, not trible from star trek
Host-blu says: Yet the greater blessings that the entity in its activity rendered the people in that experience were in the building of individual homes." - Edgar Cayce Reading 1286-1
JohnB says: vulcano style Blu
Host-blu says: The building of mounds of the loved dead is not peculiar to the Mound Builders of America; Alexander The Great heaped a tumulus over the body of his friend Hephaestion at a great cost, and fallen heroes of the Trojan War were similarly honored.
Host-blu says: The great beehive graves in southern Greece, near the ancient city of Mycenae, may be variants of mound building, with stone used instead of dirt.
Host-blu says: Archeologists have uncovered several cultures, the oldest being the finest. More than one wave of travelers, working northward from the Gulf Of Mexico is indicated in the following:
Roz says: I saw those Blu
Host-blu says: what Roz?
Host-blu says: you have been to Greece?
Roz says: the ones near Mycenae
Host-blu says: wow
diane says: Wow is right!
Roz says: yah
Host-blu says: "Before that the entity was in the land of the present sojourn, during the early activities of a peoples that had been banished from Atlantis. The entity was among those of the second
Host-blu says: generation of Atlanteans who struggled northward from Yucatan, settling in what is now a portion of Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio; being among those of the earlier period known as Mound Builders.
Roz says: I did a tour w/ Dr. Harmon Bro
Host-blu says: Then the entity was among those who supplied to the peoples the fruits of the soil, learning how to crack corn, wheat and grain, that it might be prepared into foods through cooking - though much in those periods was taken raw." - Edgar Cayce Reading 3528-1
Host-blu says: I bet that was awesome
Host-blu says: He would be great to know
Roz says: It was
Host-blu says: That is a blessing Roz!
Host-blu says: Another reading for a Pennsylvanian noted that the person considered had lived in that area in a previous life.
Roz says: oh so much so He was a master teacher
Host-blu says: "Before this the entity was in the land of the present nativity, especially in that period of the Mound Builders - a little farther to the west; when there was the laying out of the plans for those interpretations that had been a
Host-blu says: consciousness in another organization or group to which the entity had previously belong or been a part." - Edgar Cayce Reading 3004-1
Host-blu says: The mounds range from conical ones a few feet high to rectangular ones 100 feet high that cover up to 16 acres. In all, some 100,000 such mounds have been counted so far. Some are square; a few are flat-topped, though most of them are rectangular or round.
Host-blu says: (Bear in mind, this was written in 1970, so there's probably more than 100,000 discovered by now.)
Host-blu says: The flat-topped ones may have been used as temples, but they were generally supposed to have been burial places, since bones, skeletons and artifacts have been in them.
Host-blu says: Cayce further noted in the above reading that the mounds were representative of the Yucatan, Atlantis and Gobiland experiences and that all were as one consciousness in the activity of the entity for whom he was reading the Akashic records.
Host-blu says: "There the entity was the priestess. And there may be seen some of those activities that are a part of the awareness to some in that land of Ohio, where there were those plans for such, in the mounds that were called the
Host-blu says: replica or representative of the Yucatan experiences, as well as the Atlantean and in Gobi land.
Host-blu says: All of these are as one consciousness in the entity's activity." - Edgar Cayce Reading 3004-1
JohnB says: how about the statues on the easter island? Blu
Host-blu says: OK, that last statement has raised some questions in our minds, but as I read it now I think it means that she was in the Yucatan and in the Ohio lands at the same time
Host-blu says: John B, I don't think the Easter Is statues are mentioned in these readings, but I believe they are remnants of Mu or the survivors of Mu
Host-blu says: I think Lora Little and her husband have them on the ancient mysteries site
Host-blu says: A possible connection with Quetzalcoatl and the early builders of Palenque might be suspected because the greatest of the effigy mounds is the Great Serpent Mound in southern Ohio.
Host-blu says: www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/serp/hd_serp.htm The head of the serpent is on a rock cliff, 100 feet high, and overlooks the waters of Brush Creek. The body ends in a triple coil 1,000 feet to the south.
merlin says: kkooooollllll blu
Host-blu says: The total length of the mound is 1,330 feet and in the open mouth of the snake there is an egg-shaped mound, which the snake seems intent on swallowing.
merlin says: or hiding
Host-blu says: I do not know about that egg swallowing theory, it does not look like that to me
Lynn says: kkoooolllll, merlin now that is n ice in ice n ice
ron says: rebirth?
Host-blu says: but you can look at the pictures on that site and decide for yourself
Lynn says: nice
Host-blu says: I don't know ron, it just looks like the top of the head of the snake to me, but it could be the way i am looking at it
Host-blu says: I just think they did that to fill out the shape of the snake, but what do I know!
Host-blu says: travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide-2970386-action-imgsearch-serpent_mound_columbus-i (click on picture to enlarge)
Host-blu says: groups.msn.com/Archaeology/greatserpentmound.msnw
Host-blu says: Strangely, the Great Serpent Mound was built outside the general region of the Ohio mounds. This mound, now a state park, was not a burial mound. The Hopi Indians of Arizona claim that they built it as they went "home" after a trip to the east coast.
ron says: hmmm....
Host-blu says: Many theories have been advanced to account for the disappearance of the Mound Builders before the arrival of the white men. One is that they followed the American Bison as the herds pushed westward to the Plains, and that they mixed with other early tribes, losing their identity.
Host-blu says: Sometimes, however, it is blamed on the fierce members of the Five Nations as set up by the Iroquois Indians.
Host-blu says: The Iroquois, the Readings tell us, were the direct descendants of the Atlanteans:
Host-blu says: "The entity then was among the people, the Indians, of the Iroquois; those of noble birth, those that were of the pure descendants of the Atlanteans, those that held to the ritualistic
Roz says: interesting
Host-blu says: influences from nature itself. For the entity then was a chieftain's daughter, and in the name Huloi - or Running Water." - Edgar Cayce Reading 1219-1
Host-blu says: The historic confederacy of the Iroquois is thought to have taken place about thirty years before the coming of the white man, or about 1570. www.tolatsga.org/iro.html
ron says: thats what happens when one drinks a lot of water...cleans the kidneys etc
Host-blu says: The tribes originally represented in the group were the Mohawks, Onondagas, Cayugas and Senecas. Later the Tuscaroras were included. During the colonial period they occupied
Host-blu says: territories in the northern, eastern, and southeastern sections of the United States.
Host-blu says: LOL @ Ron
Host-blu says: Because they were able to get guns from the incoming white men, they were able to subdue many of the smaller tribes and they are credited with the breaking up of the once strong Algonquin confederation, vulnerable because its component tribes were widely scattered.
JohnB says: how about the ligth should come from the north? Blu
Host-blu says: light come from the north?
Roz says: great study Blu
Host-blu says: Thank you roz
JohnB says: well done Blu
Host-blu says: What Light John B?
JohnB says: its a prophecy , enlightment
Host-blu says: Oh, I am sorry i don't know about that
ron says: I'm Beginning To SeeThe Light
Host-blu says: A powerful Algonquin chief, Powhatan, was the subject of a portion of another life reading:
JohnB says: the nordic countries will bring the light into the earth
Host-blu says: hmmm sounds interesting john B, but I have not read about that
Host-blu says: The six nations also taught the white man how to build a government... they even had a bill of rights.
Host-blu says: "Before this the entity was in the land of the present nativity, during those periods when there was peace among the natives and the settlers. The entity made for that which brought to the young the schoolings, the teachings, the religious activities that made for what may be termed -
diane says: All of those tribes are local to my area
Host-blu says: NOW - as a development in self as well as in the abilities of those with whom the entity was associated in understanding woodcraft, in understanding those things pertaining to
diane says: interesting they were Atlanteans, hmm
Host-blu says: trails, in understanding those things pertaining to the activities for physical prowess of the individuals. The name then was Phtwahan [Powhatan]." - Edgar Cayce Reading 1094-1
Host-blu says: You know diane it would be just like karma to put you in that area for a reason like this, as you may have been one too!
Host-blu says: www.apva.org/ngex/chief.html
Host-blu says: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Powhatan
diane says: just wondering that myself
Lynn says: Blu, this study has answered a question I have long pondered.
Host-blu says: what is that Lynn?
Lynn says: Why did Great Spirit allow that to happen to the beautiful Indian people?
Lynn says: as always karma - Atlantis
Host-blu says: Well, if you are talking about the meeting of the white man and the red man cayce said it was not meant to go down the way it did. it was an opportunity for meeting again in peace and we failed
Lynn says: ok, I buy, but why did the Indians have to suffer so?
Host-blu says: Why does anyone suffer, and whynot?
true_eagle_mike says: cause the white man wanted there land
Host-blu says: When asking god why me Lord, the answer is often, why not you?
Lynn says: My mars is in Libra. Injustice infuriates me.
diane says: true enough, Blu. lol
ron says: an earlier land was destroyed and, perhaps, another land lost again
Lynn says: It is not always karma.
Host-blu says: Untill we come to the realization that there is no distinction between us, that we are all One, there will be injustice
Lynn says: But, injustice GRRRR
true_eagle_mike says: look wat the spanish.. did to the people of S A
Host-blu says: boils down to self, and greed
Lynn says: Look what men do to animals? GRRRR
Host-blu says: After the chief's death there were many conflicts with the increasing groups of white settlers and his people dwindled to about 700. The mixed-blood remnants are now known as Chickahominys, Pawmunkeys, and by other tribal names.
Host-blu says: One of the great stories of the early days of the white men in the United States concerns a daughter of Powhatan. This Indian princess, Pocahontas, is credited with having saved the life of
Host-blu says: Captain John Smith, and of later marrying John Rolfe, who took her with him to England.
Host-blu says: Reading 1207-1 apparently alludes to this girl, although by another name.
Host-blu says: OK, I am going to pause here and add a comment from WIS
true_eagle_mike says: k
Host-blu says: I'd like to clear up a popular myth, here. Apparently, the author didn't know any better, but there are no "Indian Princesses," nor have there ever been. The concept of Royalty and Monarchy is a European one, brought here and applied to Indian people, by the Europeans. It would be more fitting to say Pocahontas was the Chief's daughter.
Lynn says: thank you
true_eagle_mike says: well said
Host-blu says: ok, now giving WIS the respect due him I am going to offer my own theory here
true_eagle_mike says: ok
Host-blu says: the Atlanteans DID have princes and princeses!
Host-blu says: If these are Atlanteans...then it stands to reason that they may have carried the concept on
Host-blu says: but who is to say, I am not going to argue withhim about it!
Host-blu says: LOL
true_eagle_mike says: diff cultures.. diff ways
ron says: i remember an embarrassment
Host-blu says: Yes Mike, and we see that there are MAY influences coming into this land and we call all of them in mass "Indians"
Lynn says: But, the Atlanteans may have learned their lesson about royalty and as Indians shunned royalty.
diane says: tell us , ron
Host-blu says: ;-D oh ron, don't take it too seriously
ron says: i'm not...but was back then
JohnB says: ough white men walking=) ¤¤¤¤¤
diane says: lol JB
Host-blu says: I don't think so Lynn, I think they came as priests and priestesses and the traditions were handed down
Lynn says: lol JohnB
true_eagle_mike says: k
JohnB says: have to troug you off the horse Lynn
Host-blu says: OK, this is a statement from WIS again , just to give him the final word on the matter;
Host-blu says: But there was no monarchy within American Indian cultures. That's a European thing. The popular "Indian Princess" does not, nor has she ever, existed in any American Indian
Lynn says: wanna try!! lol
Host-blu says: culture. That label is a misnomer applied by Europeans, and has been perpetuated through the years.)
Host-blu says: "Before this we find the entity was in the land of its present sojourn, among those peoples that were of the greater spiritually developed natives in the eastern borders of the land.
Host-blu says: The entity then was a daughter to the chief Powhatan medicine man, or in the name Tuluawa, or Snow White; that made for such associations with the activities of the individuals during
Host-blu says: those periods when there were the understandings as created by the activities of Powhatan - as the associations with those that came to be dwellers in the land." - Edgar Cayce Reading 1207-1
Host-blu says: It is noted in this reading that she, Pocahontas, carried to "other lands" interpretations of the chants and other things of importance in the Indian way of life, and in this way helped in bringing about better understanding between peoples.
Host-blu says: The second daughter of Powhatan, Night Bird, was, according to another reading, even more noteworthy than her more famous sister.
Host-blu says: "Hence we find, as the daughter - the second daughter of Powhatan, bringing into the experience much that made for material and mental advancement; not only for self and for its own peoples but for all of the nations.
Host-blu says: For the whole history, from the material angle, was changed by the activities of the entity much more than by that entity who so far as history is concerned set the change." - Edgar Cayce Reading 1506-1
Host-blu says: Another daughter of Powhatan, half-sister to Pocahontas, is also mentioned in the Readings.
Host-blu says: "...the entity was then the princess to Powhatan's peoples in Virginia and the name Rising Star, and a half-sister then of that noted one, Pocahontas" - Edgar Cayce Reading 543-11
Host-blu says: OK, now if Cayce calls her a princess I am going to stick with Cayce here
Host-blu says: He hee
Host-blu says: The girl eventually became a companion of a white man called Bainbridge and gained a great deal of land, but later lost faith in the white race, because of her consort.
Lynn says: put ;your foot on my neck, Blu. LOL
Host-blu says: In the Cayce Readings several interesting records of Indian incarnations are given, shedding some light on the life of these ancient North Americans. One Reading indicates that the interests and abilities of one certain mystic and medicine man remained constant through several past lives.
ron says: Bainbridge - Cayce?
Host-blu says: Question Ron?
ron says: what was cayce's previous lifetime name?
Host-blu says: OH!
true_eagle_mike says: ATT :... ron is hosting an event on edgar cayce & jesus... friday ..2 pm !
Host-blu says: I forgot?
Host-blu says: That might be right Ron
Host-blu says: "Thou wert among the natives of the land [Alabama] that made for the first of the associations with thine white brethren that came into that portion of the land, (the Natives were) thine own peoples in whose name thou hast come into the earth again.
ron says: i'm not very sure of that blu...i was wondering if anyone knoew
Host-blu says: ok, now I think I am having trouble with copy and paste
ron says: try things in reverse blu
merlin says: i believe youare right ron, about bainbridge being an incarnation of cayce.
Host-blu says: reverse?
ron says: oops, should have included :)
JohnB says: John Bainbridge fort deerfoot iguess
ron says: no blu...i'm just fooling around with things :)
Host-blu says: ok, it seems nothing is going to work now so we have to stop!
Host-blu says: sorry
Host-blu says: any questions?
true_eagle_mike says: o k blu ..
ron says: this was very infomative blu...
Host-blu says: this should have been the last chat on this series but it will continue one more week
Lynn says: Blu, you always present such fascinating thoughts.
Host-blu says: the man who wrote the book gets the credit!
diane says: you chose the book to use! good job
true_eagle_mike says: we get to heaven .. we will know the whole story.. THE HALL OF R ECORDS ....in heaven
Lynn says: Which heaven? lol
Host-blu says: if you want to read the rest of what was suppose to be presented today you can read Sat nights chat
Lynn says: Don't bite
true_eagle_mike says: the creators heaven !
Lynn says: Which heaven of the Creator?
true_eagle_mike says: het , to each there own . an no i dont bire
Lynn says: Paul mentions several heavens.
true_eagle_mike says: bite
ron says: what difference does it make?
true_eagle_mike says: well i beleve ther r minny levels .. to heven
merlin says: you mean last saturdays night chat .
Host-blu says: yes
true_eagle_mike says: k
true_eagle_mike says: r father in heaver .. bless all .. who r here .. an help an heal all those in need
true_eagle_mike says: in your name we pray .... AMEN
Host-blu says: Amen
ron says: amen
Host-blu says: Part Six: The Mound Builders And The North American Indians
JohnB says: Amen
Host-blu says: For many years, after the coming of the first settlers to the east coast, the great hillocks and embankments of the Mound Builders remained unnoticed, perhaps partly because, even then,
Roz says: Amen
Host-blu says: they were so ancient that many of them were covered with tall old trees. All attention was, at first, centered on the regions east of the Allegheny Mountains.
Host-blu says: It is interesting to learn that Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, William Henry Harrison, and Noah Webster were among the first to recognize the mounds as American antiquities, worthy of note, and worth exploring.
Host-blu says: Harrison credited them to the Aztecs, but later investigators and explorers were convinced they were the work of predecessors of the American Indians then occupying that area.
Host-blu says: No one, at that early date, had the temerity to suggest that the Mound Builders might have been alien to the scene, strangers from vanished continents.
Host-blu says: It is in the Edgar Cayce Readings that we catch glimpses of tumults, catastrophes, and resulting movements of people, meeting, mixing, separating, in search of homes in a new land.
Host-blu says: "Before that we find the entity was in the Yucatan land where the groups gathered from the Atlantean land. The entity was rather of the natives but able to embrace and to become a part of the general activities there.
Host-blu says: Thus becoming an associate or companion to one of those who were set in authority in the land." Edgar Cayce Reading 5255-1
Host-blu says: Iltar, a leader and a priest, had left Atlantis with "some ten individuals" of Poseidia, and had found temporary security in Yucatan, to the west. As a follower of the Law Of One and of the house of Atlan, he had erected temples in the new country.
Host-blu says: However, with the final upheaval that followed sinking of the last of the Atlantean islands, these temples were destroyed and the contours of the then Yucatan and Mexico areas were changed.
Host-blu says: With the Atlanteans in Yucatan were refugees from Mu, people from Oz and Og in Peru, some of the Incas and also those "of the Mosaic influence."
Host-blu says: I am not sure what this Mosaic influence means, have you got any ideas Roz?
Host-blu says: At first I thought it meant a people who were a mix as in a mosaic picture, but now I am not sure
Host-blu says: This would be to early for Moses would it not?
true_eagle_mike says: yes
ron says: tribes of the time of Moses, was my interpretation...but i could be wrong
Host-blu says: But then again they say that there are lost tribes here in this country, lost tribes of Isreal
Roz says: or a patchwork
Host-blu says: I am begining to think that way too Ron
Host-blu says: That is something to look into, I will try to find out.
Host-blu says: But this heterogeneous mixture of people, according to the Readings:
Host-blu says: "those in Yucatan, those in the adjoining lands as begun by Iltar, gradually lost in their activities, and came to be that people termed, in other portions of America, the Mound Builders." - Edgar Cayce Reading 5750-1
Host-blu says: Attesting to the great numbers of people who came from the Gulf Of Mexico and wandered northward, are the 5,000 or more tumuli (mounds) to be found in Ohio alone. This seems to have been the point of greatest concentration.
Roz says: ye Mormons consider being a remenant of the lost tribes
Host-blu says: I think the Cherokee are too
Host-blu says: they actually have found a lot of jewsih itmes here that are pre columbus and older
Host-blu says: However, the mounds are not confined to any one state; they are scattered over at least twenty states, including those bordering on the Mississippi and Ohio Rivers and their tributaries, from the Great Lakes to the Gulf Of Mexico and even as far west as the Dakotas.
Host-blu says: John Wesley Powell, the Grand Canyon explorer, who was deeply interested in Indians and their problems, speculated that the Mound Builders were a powerful people, superior to the Indians, and much advanced in such arts as making pottery, metal-working and weaving.
Host-blu says: That the original Mound Builders had made an attempt to secure their homesites is seen in the military characteristics of some of their clay and dirt monuments, especially those of Fort Ancient and Fort Hill.
Host-blu says: www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=14427 (Click on the picture for a larger view)
Host-blu says: there are clickable links when it's posted at Red Path
Host-blu says: The mounds were mainly built to honor the dead, but some of them apparently were used for religious purposes and dwellings, though ordinarily the village sites were adjacent to the mounds.
Host-blu says: Stripped of everything except their innate skill, the Mound Builders seemed to be trying to achieve order and harmony in their lives, while establishing friendly relations with the aboriginal people into whose country they had intruded.
Host-blu says: "The entity was among those near a place now known as the mounds of the natives of the land, or in the Talladega area, and among those peoples of the Talladega Indians, as they are called, but rather of those that had made and did make for the associations with the periods of the white man, the red man.
Host-blu says: The entity then, as an Indian maiden in the name Telula, gave much to her own peoples in making for the associations that brought the relationships that had not existed with these peoples at that time;
Host-blu says: yet losing in the latter portion of same by the associations that brought activities in material relations that brought harm, in that they produced hate in the associations at the time." - Edgar Cayce Reading 518-1
Host-blu says: "Before that we find the entity was in the land of the present nativity, during those periods when there were the spreadings of those teachings that had come from the lands from which
Host-blu says: those peoples came that were known as the Lost Tribes, as well as from Atlantis, Yucatan, the Inca, and the land of On [?]. [Og?]
Host-blu says: They were portions of the entity's people then, in that part of the land now known as the central portion of Ohio, during the early portion of the Mound Builders. There the entity was a priestess of those peoples that were a part of the experiences there of those peoples.
Host-blu says: For while confusions arose from the tenets of the Hebraic as well as the Atlantean, as well as the Inca, these became centralized or localized in the expressions of those peoples and those groups in that particular period of their activity.
Host-blu says: Ok, here it refers to the hebraic
Host-blu says: Hebraic, I think we are talking about one of the lost tribles of Isreal
Host-blu says: LOL, tribe, not trible from star trek
Host-blu says: Yet the greater blessings that the entity in its activity rendered the people in that experience were in the building of individual homes." - Edgar Cayce Reading 1286-1
JohnB says: vulcano style Blu
Host-blu says: The building of mounds of the loved dead is not peculiar to the Mound Builders of America; Alexander The Great heaped a tumulus over the body of his friend Hephaestion at a great cost, and fallen heroes of the Trojan War were similarly honored.
Host-blu says: The great beehive graves in southern Greece, near the ancient city of Mycenae, may be variants of mound building, with stone used instead of dirt.
Host-blu says: Archeologists have uncovered several cultures, the oldest being the finest. More than one wave of travelers, working northward from the Gulf Of Mexico is indicated in the following:
Roz says: I saw those Blu
Host-blu says: what Roz?
Host-blu says: you have been to Greece?
Roz says: the ones near Mycenae
Host-blu says: wow
diane says: Wow is right!
Roz says: yah
Host-blu says: "Before that the entity was in the land of the present sojourn, during the early activities of a peoples that had been banished from Atlantis. The entity was among those of the second
Host-blu says: generation of Atlanteans who struggled northward from Yucatan, settling in what is now a portion of Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio; being among those of the earlier period known as Mound Builders.
Roz says: I did a tour w/ Dr. Harmon Bro
Host-blu says: Then the entity was among those who supplied to the peoples the fruits of the soil, learning how to crack corn, wheat and grain, that it might be prepared into foods through cooking - though much in those periods was taken raw." - Edgar Cayce Reading 3528-1
Host-blu says: I bet that was awesome
Host-blu says: He would be great to know
Roz says: It was
Host-blu says: That is a blessing Roz!
Host-blu says: Another reading for a Pennsylvanian noted that the person considered had lived in that area in a previous life.
Roz says: oh so much so He was a master teacher
Host-blu says: "Before this the entity was in the land of the present nativity, especially in that period of the Mound Builders - a little farther to the west; when there was the laying out of the plans for those interpretations that had been a
Host-blu says: consciousness in another organization or group to which the entity had previously belong or been a part." - Edgar Cayce Reading 3004-1
Host-blu says: The mounds range from conical ones a few feet high to rectangular ones 100 feet high that cover up to 16 acres. In all, some 100,000 such mounds have been counted so far. Some are square; a few are flat-topped, though most of them are rectangular or round.
Host-blu says: (Bear in mind, this was written in 1970, so there's probably more than 100,000 discovered by now.)
Host-blu says: The flat-topped ones may have been used as temples, but they were generally supposed to have been burial places, since bones, skeletons and artifacts have been in them.
Host-blu says: Cayce further noted in the above reading that the mounds were representative of the Yucatan, Atlantis and Gobiland experiences and that all were as one consciousness in the activity of the entity for whom he was reading the Akashic records.
Host-blu says: "There the entity was the priestess. And there may be seen some of those activities that are a part of the awareness to some in that land of Ohio, where there were those plans for such, in the mounds that were called the
Host-blu says: replica or representative of the Yucatan experiences, as well as the Atlantean and in Gobi land.
Host-blu says: All of these are as one consciousness in the entity's activity." - Edgar Cayce Reading 3004-1
JohnB says: how about the statues on the easter island? Blu
Host-blu says: OK, that last statement has raised some questions in our minds, but as I read it now I think it means that she was in the Yucatan and in the Ohio lands at the same time
Host-blu says: John B, I don't think the Easter Is statues are mentioned in these readings, but I believe they are remnants of Mu or the survivors of Mu
Host-blu says: I think Lora Little and her husband have them on the ancient mysteries site
Host-blu says: A possible connection with Quetzalcoatl and the early builders of Palenque might be suspected because the greatest of the effigy mounds is the Great Serpent Mound in southern Ohio.
Host-blu says: www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/serp/hd_serp.htm The head of the serpent is on a rock cliff, 100 feet high, and overlooks the waters of Brush Creek. The body ends in a triple coil 1,000 feet to the south.
merlin says: kkooooollllll blu
Host-blu says: The total length of the mound is 1,330 feet and in the open mouth of the snake there is an egg-shaped mound, which the snake seems intent on swallowing.
merlin says: or hiding
Host-blu says: I do not know about that egg swallowing theory, it does not look like that to me
Lynn says: kkoooolllll, merlin now that is n ice in ice n ice
ron says: rebirth?
Host-blu says: but you can look at the pictures on that site and decide for yourself
Lynn says: nice
Host-blu says: I don't know ron, it just looks like the top of the head of the snake to me, but it could be the way i am looking at it
Host-blu says: I just think they did that to fill out the shape of the snake, but what do I know!
Host-blu says: travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide-2970386-action-imgsearch-serpent_mound_columbus-i (click on picture to enlarge)
Host-blu says: groups.msn.com/Archaeology/greatserpentmound.msnw
Host-blu says: Strangely, the Great Serpent Mound was built outside the general region of the Ohio mounds. This mound, now a state park, was not a burial mound. The Hopi Indians of Arizona claim that they built it as they went "home" after a trip to the east coast.
ron says: hmmm....
Host-blu says: Many theories have been advanced to account for the disappearance of the Mound Builders before the arrival of the white men. One is that they followed the American Bison as the herds pushed westward to the Plains, and that they mixed with other early tribes, losing their identity.
Host-blu says: Sometimes, however, it is blamed on the fierce members of the Five Nations as set up by the Iroquois Indians.
Host-blu says: The Iroquois, the Readings tell us, were the direct descendants of the Atlanteans:
Host-blu says: "The entity then was among the people, the Indians, of the Iroquois; those of noble birth, those that were of the pure descendants of the Atlanteans, those that held to the ritualistic
Roz says: interesting
Host-blu says: influences from nature itself. For the entity then was a chieftain's daughter, and in the name Huloi - or Running Water." - Edgar Cayce Reading 1219-1
Host-blu says: The historic confederacy of the Iroquois is thought to have taken place about thirty years before the coming of the white man, or about 1570. www.tolatsga.org/iro.html
ron says: thats what happens when one drinks a lot of water...cleans the kidneys etc
Host-blu says: The tribes originally represented in the group were the Mohawks, Onondagas, Cayugas and Senecas. Later the Tuscaroras were included. During the colonial period they occupied
Host-blu says: territories in the northern, eastern, and southeastern sections of the United States.
Host-blu says: LOL @ Ron
Host-blu says: Because they were able to get guns from the incoming white men, they were able to subdue many of the smaller tribes and they are credited with the breaking up of the once strong Algonquin confederation, vulnerable because its component tribes were widely scattered.
JohnB says: how about the ligth should come from the north? Blu
Host-blu says: light come from the north?
Roz says: great study Blu
Host-blu says: Thank you roz
JohnB says: well done Blu
Host-blu says: What Light John B?
JohnB says: its a prophecy , enlightment
Host-blu says: Oh, I am sorry i don't know about that
ron says: I'm Beginning To SeeThe Light
Host-blu says: A powerful Algonquin chief, Powhatan, was the subject of a portion of another life reading:
JohnB says: the nordic countries will bring the light into the earth
Host-blu says: hmmm sounds interesting john B, but I have not read about that
Host-blu says: The six nations also taught the white man how to build a government... they even had a bill of rights.
Host-blu says: "Before this the entity was in the land of the present nativity, during those periods when there was peace among the natives and the settlers. The entity made for that which brought to the young the schoolings, the teachings, the religious activities that made for what may be termed -
diane says: All of those tribes are local to my area
Host-blu says: NOW - as a development in self as well as in the abilities of those with whom the entity was associated in understanding woodcraft, in understanding those things pertaining to
diane says: interesting they were Atlanteans, hmm
Host-blu says: trails, in understanding those things pertaining to the activities for physical prowess of the individuals. The name then was Phtwahan [Powhatan]." - Edgar Cayce Reading 1094-1
Host-blu says: You know diane it would be just like karma to put you in that area for a reason like this, as you may have been one too!
Host-blu says: www.apva.org/ngex/chief.html
Host-blu says: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Powhatan
diane says: just wondering that myself
Lynn says: Blu, this study has answered a question I have long pondered.
Host-blu says: what is that Lynn?
Lynn says: Why did Great Spirit allow that to happen to the beautiful Indian people?
Lynn says: as always karma - Atlantis
Host-blu says: Well, if you are talking about the meeting of the white man and the red man cayce said it was not meant to go down the way it did. it was an opportunity for meeting again in peace and we failed
Lynn says: ok, I buy, but why did the Indians have to suffer so?
Host-blu says: Why does anyone suffer, and whynot?
true_eagle_mike says: cause the white man wanted there land
Host-blu says: When asking god why me Lord, the answer is often, why not you?
Lynn says: My mars is in Libra. Injustice infuriates me.
diane says: true enough, Blu. lol
ron says: an earlier land was destroyed and, perhaps, another land lost again
Lynn says: It is not always karma.
Host-blu says: Untill we come to the realization that there is no distinction between us, that we are all One, there will be injustice
Lynn says: But, injustice GRRRR
true_eagle_mike says: look wat the spanish.. did to the people of S A
Host-blu says: boils down to self, and greed
Lynn says: Look what men do to animals? GRRRR
Host-blu says: After the chief's death there were many conflicts with the increasing groups of white settlers and his people dwindled to about 700. The mixed-blood remnants are now known as Chickahominys, Pawmunkeys, and by other tribal names.
Host-blu says: One of the great stories of the early days of the white men in the United States concerns a daughter of Powhatan. This Indian princess, Pocahontas, is credited with having saved the life of
Host-blu says: Captain John Smith, and of later marrying John Rolfe, who took her with him to England.
Host-blu says: Reading 1207-1 apparently alludes to this girl, although by another name.
Host-blu says: OK, I am going to pause here and add a comment from WIS
true_eagle_mike says: k
Host-blu says: I'd like to clear up a popular myth, here. Apparently, the author didn't know any better, but there are no "Indian Princesses," nor have there ever been. The concept of Royalty and Monarchy is a European one, brought here and applied to Indian people, by the Europeans. It would be more fitting to say Pocahontas was the Chief's daughter.
Lynn says: thank you
true_eagle_mike says: well said
Host-blu says: ok, now giving WIS the respect due him I am going to offer my own theory here
true_eagle_mike says: ok
Host-blu says: the Atlanteans DID have princes and princeses!
Host-blu says: If these are Atlanteans...then it stands to reason that they may have carried the concept on
Host-blu says: but who is to say, I am not going to argue withhim about it!
Host-blu says: LOL
true_eagle_mike says: diff cultures.. diff ways
ron says: i remember an embarrassment
Host-blu says: Yes Mike, and we see that there are MAY influences coming into this land and we call all of them in mass "Indians"
Lynn says: But, the Atlanteans may have learned their lesson about royalty and as Indians shunned royalty.
diane says: tell us , ron
Host-blu says: ;-D oh ron, don't take it too seriously
ron says: i'm not...but was back then
JohnB says: ough white men walking=) ¤¤¤¤¤
diane says: lol JB
Host-blu says: I don't think so Lynn, I think they came as priests and priestesses and the traditions were handed down
Lynn says: lol JohnB
true_eagle_mike says: k
JohnB says: have to troug you off the horse Lynn
Host-blu says: OK, this is a statement from WIS again , just to give him the final word on the matter;
Host-blu says: But there was no monarchy within American Indian cultures. That's a European thing. The popular "Indian Princess" does not, nor has she ever, existed in any American Indian
Lynn says: wanna try!! lol
Host-blu says: culture. That label is a misnomer applied by Europeans, and has been perpetuated through the years.)
Host-blu says: "Before this we find the entity was in the land of its present sojourn, among those peoples that were of the greater spiritually developed natives in the eastern borders of the land.
Host-blu says: The entity then was a daughter to the chief Powhatan medicine man, or in the name Tuluawa, or Snow White; that made for such associations with the activities of the individuals during
Host-blu says: those periods when there were the understandings as created by the activities of Powhatan - as the associations with those that came to be dwellers in the land." - Edgar Cayce Reading 1207-1
Host-blu says: It is noted in this reading that she, Pocahontas, carried to "other lands" interpretations of the chants and other things of importance in the Indian way of life, and in this way helped in bringing about better understanding between peoples.
Host-blu says: The second daughter of Powhatan, Night Bird, was, according to another reading, even more noteworthy than her more famous sister.
Host-blu says: "Hence we find, as the daughter - the second daughter of Powhatan, bringing into the experience much that made for material and mental advancement; not only for self and for its own peoples but for all of the nations.
Host-blu says: For the whole history, from the material angle, was changed by the activities of the entity much more than by that entity who so far as history is concerned set the change." - Edgar Cayce Reading 1506-1
Host-blu says: Another daughter of Powhatan, half-sister to Pocahontas, is also mentioned in the Readings.
Host-blu says: "...the entity was then the princess to Powhatan's peoples in Virginia and the name Rising Star, and a half-sister then of that noted one, Pocahontas" - Edgar Cayce Reading 543-11
Host-blu says: OK, now if Cayce calls her a princess I am going to stick with Cayce here
Host-blu says: He hee
Host-blu says: The girl eventually became a companion of a white man called Bainbridge and gained a great deal of land, but later lost faith in the white race, because of her consort.
Lynn says: put ;your foot on my neck, Blu. LOL
Host-blu says: In the Cayce Readings several interesting records of Indian incarnations are given, shedding some light on the life of these ancient North Americans. One Reading indicates that the interests and abilities of one certain mystic and medicine man remained constant through several past lives.
ron says: Bainbridge - Cayce?
Host-blu says: Question Ron?
ron says: what was cayce's previous lifetime name?
Host-blu says: OH!
true_eagle_mike says: ATT :... ron is hosting an event on edgar cayce & jesus... friday ..2 pm !
Host-blu says: I forgot?
Host-blu says: That might be right Ron
Host-blu says: "Thou wert among the natives of the land [Alabama] that made for the first of the associations with thine white brethren that came into that portion of the land, (the Natives were) thine own peoples in whose name thou hast come into the earth again.
ron says: i'm not very sure of that blu...i was wondering if anyone knoew
Host-blu says: ok, now I think I am having trouble with copy and paste
ron says: try things in reverse blu
merlin says: i believe youare right ron, about bainbridge being an incarnation of cayce.
Host-blu says: reverse?
ron says: oops, should have included :)
JohnB says: John Bainbridge fort deerfoot iguess
ron says: no blu...i'm just fooling around with things :)
Host-blu says: ok, it seems nothing is going to work now so we have to stop!
Host-blu says: sorry
Host-blu says: any questions?
true_eagle_mike says: o k blu ..
ron says: this was very infomative blu...
Host-blu says: this should have been the last chat on this series but it will continue one more week
Lynn says: Blu, you always present such fascinating thoughts.
Host-blu says: the man who wrote the book gets the credit!
diane says: you chose the book to use! good job
true_eagle_mike says: we get to heaven .. we will know the whole story.. THE HALL OF R ECORDS ....in heaven
Lynn says: Which heaven? lol
Host-blu says: if you want to read the rest of what was suppose to be presented today you can read Sat nights chat
Lynn says: Don't bite
true_eagle_mike says: the creators heaven !
Lynn says: Which heaven of the Creator?
true_eagle_mike says: het , to each there own . an no i dont bire
Lynn says: Paul mentions several heavens.
true_eagle_mike says: bite
ron says: what difference does it make?
true_eagle_mike says: well i beleve ther r minny levels .. to heven
merlin says: you mean last saturdays night chat .
Host-blu says: yes
