Part Two: Impervious Incas: 08-24-06

[WalksInSpirit]

The Great Migration: Part Two: The Impervious Incas:
08-24-06

(02:17:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Well, if yall are ready, we'll delve back into history for a while.

(02:17:51) (Host-Blu) What do you guys think of this Great Migration chat so far?

(02:18:04) (merlin) very interesting

(02:18:27) (Lynn) I like it.

(02:18:36) (Host-Blu) I want to make some kind of chart to show the periods and the people involved to make it easier to see

(02:18:56) (Roz) ver interesting

(02:19:00) (Lynn) They made a good migration. May our migration also be good.

(02:19:36) (Host-Blu) todays material has some interesting tidbits I did not know about

(02:19:59) (Host-Blu) Sometimes I wish I were an archeologist!

(02:20:12) (Lynn) me too!

(02:20:18) (Lynn) But have to choose.

(02:21:09) (Host-Blu) Mike would you be so kind as to open with a prayer for us?

(02:21:32) (true_eagle_mike) k

(02:21:55) (true_eagle_mike) r father in heaven .. bless us ,an join us together ..

(02:22:04) (true_eagle_mike) we r to serve u ...

(02:22:09) (true_eagle_mike) AMEN

(02:22:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Nunwe

(02:22:24) (Host-Blu) Amen

(02:22:26) (Leon) amen

(02:22:26) (merlin) amen

(02:22:28) (Lynn) Amen

(02:22:43) (Host-Blu) You are a straight shooter Mike, I like that!

(02:22:53) (true_eagle_mike) I DO MY BEST

(02:23:06) (Host-Blu) TY

(02:23:28) (Roz) Amen

(02:23:32) (true_eagle_mike) thank -you

(02:23:39) (Host-WalksInSpirit) OK, let's see what happens with the Impervious Incas...

(02:23:54) (true_eagle_mike) go wis

(02:24:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Part Two:

(02:24:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Impervious Incas

(02:24:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity was among those that journeyed to the land of the Incal as now called, but then to the land of Oz and Og.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1183-1

(02:25:04) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A great change was taking place in the Peruvian country. An old regime had given way to Peruvian pioneers; Now that era was fading into the time of the Incas and the old names would be forgotten, as were the Ohlms and Ohums who had once lived in and ruled that land.

(02:25:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Incas were wandering into the Peruvian country from the south, while more of the Atlanteans were arriving from the east.

(02:25:55) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity was among those who went from the Atlantean land to what is the Peruvian or Incal land. By the very ability and prestige the entity brought new life, new hope, to the people with the journeying from the land before the upheavals. The entity became the leader for, and was interested in, the young people. For the young are the hope of the world.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 5252-1

(02:26:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Who were the Incas and why were they migrating northward? Tradition has it that they came from an island in Lake Titicaca, the high mountain lake - elevation 12,506 feet - that lies at the extreme southern tip of what is now Peru, it's southern and part of it's eastern shores bordering on Bolivia.

(02:27:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) From this spot, then, it is said the Incas began moving northward to the valley of Cuzco in the Andean mountains, and there built their fabulous empire of wealth and beauty. However, in spite of archeological confirmation of this tradition, there are those scholars who believe that the Inca peoples came from outside South America, conquering many small tribes of different speech, customs and religions as they progressed.

(02:28:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yet the Incas were familiar with the same plants, hand tools and animals as those who had preceded them and, like the Peruvians, had domesticated the llama.

(02:28:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) An Edgar Cayce reading gives researchers a hint of conditions which may have precipitated the Incas change of location.

(02:29:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “This was in the rule of the Ohlms… There was a geological disturbance at the time which destroyed many of the people, and after that the Incas overran the land.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 760-4

(02:29:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Just where that "disturbance" centered is not revealed. One explorer, Colonel P. H. Fawcett, who is thought to have died of illness, or to have been killed by Indians somewhere in the vastness of the Andes mountain area was of the opinion that many Indian tribes of South America had traditions of a once great civilization to the east - possibly Atlantis - which had sired the Incas, or the mysterious people who preceded them and whose great ruins have since be credited to the invading Incas.

(02:30:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) which had sired the Incas, or the mysterious people who preceded them and whose great ruins have since be credited to the invading Incas.

(02:30:45) (true_eagle_mike) i like that

(02:30:54) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He named Samaipata, a mile-high ruin, as the most south easterly ancient settlement of the Incas. He found there remnants of a palace with ruined baths, and a shaft or mine entrance, which may have been the entrance to a treasure vault, since peasants have plowed up golden llamas and other relics in the vicinity of the ruins.

(02:30:59) (true_eagle_mike) those people

(02:31:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) When Fawcett visited Lake Titicaca and the tumbled ruins of the once great city of Tiahuanaco he was impressed by the evidence of earth changes that had apparently taken place at some ancient time. He reported that it was his opinion that a great seismic disturbance of the distant past had lifted the Andes mountains - and the great lake - thousands of feet.

(02:32:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Because of this a tilt had developed, Causing the lake to break through it's boundaries and drain off to the south. This placed the "city in the lake" on it's shores instead of in it's center and shook to ruble the tremendous stones of which the city was built.

(02:32:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He speculated Tiahuanaco had been submerged for perhaps thousands of years and that the gradual subsidence of the waters had finally revealed it. He also advanced the theory that relics of a much older city were lying below the present lake.

(02:33:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Much later - February 4, 1955 - the Jacksonville Daily News reported that ruins of an Inca city had been discovered in Lake Titicaca, at a depth of 95 feet, and speculated that the city might have been built by the same Indians who built Tiahuanaco.

(02:34:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The stones used in the building of the great Andean mystery city were of such tremendous size as to lend credence to the tale that "there were giants on the earth in those days." Fawcett doubted that the Incas, splendid builders though they were, could be credited with the raising and placing of those cyclopean stones, weighing 50 tons and more each.

(02:34:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They remind one of Stonehenge, the Lion Gate at Mycenae and the ruins of Tiryns in Greece, and Greek legends of giants who tossed monstrous stones about like footballs.

(02:35:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Colonel James Churchward agrees as to the ancient statues of Tiahuanaco, saying it dates back 16,000 years, to a time prior to the sinking of Mu, and that it was already in ruins when the foundation of the Incan empire was laid.

(02:35:09) (true_eagle_mike) an could not pur a razor blade .. between the joins

(02:35:25) (true_eagle_mike) joints

(02:35:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Yep, TE

(02:35:38) (true_eagle_mike) ty

(02:35:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A great monolith, forming the gate to the Temple of Tiahuanaco, is 7 feet high, 18 inches thick and over 13 feet wide. The crack in it was presumably made at the time of the leveling of the city.

(02:35:44) (merlin) stonehenge was also referred to as "giant's dance"

(02:36:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Cool, Merlin

(02:36:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Also incredibly old, according to Churchward, were the now tumbled cities of Sacsahuaman and High-Andean Machu Picchu, the later not discovered until 1911, When Hiram Bingham headed a Yale Peruvian expedition in the Andes. Both cities, Churchward wrote were incredibly old when the Incans arrived in that area.

(02:37:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In support of the theory that levitation was used in erection of the great stones of antiquity, Harold T. Wilkins sites a Trinidad legend to the effect that at birth each Atlantean child was given a disc, which would levitate it when struck to produce a certain tone, and that people traveled at will, simply striking the disc and singing a song.

(02:37:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) :-)

(02:38:51) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Wilkins quotes Antonio Herrera, a writer and historian of 1549-1625, who wrote that in the songs of the Indians and in their tradition there were references to a period when the sun was not visible for a long time.

(02:39:20) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They spent many anxious hours praying for the return of the life-giving orb and when at last it did appear they were amazed to see a white man of fine appearance and body, though very old, coming from Lake Titicaca.

(02:39:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Because he brought them illuminations in many ways, they credited him with the return of the sun and called him Viracocha, "Vira" meaning sun to many of them.

(02:40:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) As he made his slow way to the north, the legends say, Viracocha lowered the hills, increased the valleys, drew water from the rocks and united the nations. Some scholars speak of him as one of a trinity, the other two being the great unseen Pacha Camac, and Can, the legendary ruler of Mayax.

(02:40:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Since "Can" is also translated as serpent, the person may have been Quetzalcoatl, the Feathered Serpent of the Yucatan peninsula.

(02:40:59) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The disappearance of the sun may have been caused by some tremendous volcanic eruption and since it is suppose to have happen about 12,000 years ago it may well have been the "geological disturbance" mentioned by Edgar Cayce in Reading 760-4.

(02:41:31) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Incas credited all-pervading unseen powers for controlling their fate and rituals, and ceremonies of religion were a way of life: one came to agreement with his gods for his own-well being.

(02:41:35) (merlin) there is a book entitled ..."he walked the americas" , referring to jesus.

(02:42:16) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They had many gods, but Titi Viracocha was the most important; lesser gods had their own special powers and functions. They believed in immortality; and that after death he body simply became un-dead and there after took on the influences of the unseen powers. Their religion was a combination of sun worship and moon worship, the moon being the sister-bride of the sun.

(02:42:23) (ky-mike) yes ... an the mormons .. beleve it

(02:42:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Priests cared for the temples of the Incas and there was a hierarchy, the pontiff being a close relative of the ruling Sapa Inca, the high Inca. Those who had committed sins of word or deed purged themselves by confession. This confession, says Cristoval de Molina, Colonial writer and priest at Cuzco in the mid-16th century, was made in public, except in cases of serious crime.

(02:43:15) (Host-Blu) I need to read that Merlin

(02:44:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Now, I wanna point out something here. That term - "Sapa Inca" - High Inca. That same word is used by the Sioux in reference to the Black Hills - their sacred place. They call it Paha Sapa.

(02:45:00) (ky-mike) wow !

(02:45:21) (Roz) interesting

(02:45:23) (merlin) i only mention this in passing. read it years ago and would have to reread it

(02:45:49) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The sinner was given a penance to do and was required to purify himself by wading in running water.

(02:45:53) (ky-mike) ty merlin . itsin the mormon .. bible to

(02:46:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Another historian of those early days says the concept of God under the name Pacha Camac, was a high noble one. The meaning of the name of the deity was "He who does to the universe what the soul does to the body."

(02:46:16) (Host-Blu) reminds me of Baptism kinda

(02:46:48) (Host-WalksInSpirit) I like that translation there - "He who does to the universe what the soul does to the body."

(02:46:53) (merlin) don't have a copy right now.

(02:47:12) (Host-Blu) Cayce reminds us that our bodies are universes

(02:47:26) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Others contend that the name means "Creator of Earth," but a much more subtle and imaginative connotation seems to be contained in the following reading:

(02:47:27) (ky-mike) yes

(02:47:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “There the entity found the activities in associations with the sacredness of the Inca and its teachings; its considerations of man in all of the relationships with man's material and mental endeavors; and yet the place of all the metals, the foods, the activities that are a portion of man's evolution in the appreciation of the gifts from the Creative Forces.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2281-1

(02:48:17) (Roz) an d we contain every thing in the universe

(02:48:42) (ky-mike) we evolving souls

(02:48:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Sun worship and the practice of human sacrifice are mentioned in two of the Edgar Cayce readings.

(02:49:21) (merlin) AS ABOVE , SO BELOW

(02:49:25) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one, then, before this we find in that land known now as the Peruvian, and when there was the end of the Ohums [Aymaras] and their rule over the land. The entity was among those that came from the Atlantean lands and gave to the peoples much of the impulse of the added forces in a practical building up of MATERIAL things of life, as pertaining to court hangings,

(02:49:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) ritualistic forces, the adding-to by the entity then of the worship to the sun and the solar forces, even to that of the offering of human sacrifice; for the entity was the first high priestess to the sun in the land, making the first human sacrifice in that period.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 2887-1

(02:50:11) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity then among those of the first people who brought in the sun worship to that land…” - Edgar Cayce Reading 2688-1

(02:50:38) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Human sacrifice, hoarding of the super-abundant stores of gold, precious stones and jewels, are also said to have contributed to the moral degeneration of the Incas.

(02:51:00) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Even the temples were corrupted by persons seeking material rather than spiritual rewards. A life reading for a lady told of her former high place in the Incan social structure, and her loss through greed.

(02:51:04) (ky-mike) pegans

(02:51:20) (Host-Blu) Man, can you imagine having a reading like that?

(02:51:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity was among those that journeyed to the land of the Incal as now called, but then to the land of Oz and Og. For the entity then was a princess that lost its way from the daughters of the Law of one of those that made for the aggrandizing of the bodily forces and influences for position and power, the temples of fame, the temples of beauty, the hoarding of wealth,

(02:51:30) (ky-mike) wooooooo

(02:51:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) the hoarding of those mediums of exchange that were not only beautiful in their own selves but as to the light, as to the influence same had upon the minds of others.

(02:52:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) There the entity lost. Hence in the experiences of the entity there have been the fears of those that set themselves to be in high places, or those that look rather upon the material manifestations than upon the spiritual things. These have at times in the religious experiences brought destructive or detrimental forces in the activities of the entity.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1183-1

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(02:52:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Cayce readings have much to say about the Atlantean who came into the Peruvian highlands at the time of the coming of the Incas, either fleeing from the sinking remnants of the last island of their motherland or coming up from the flooding areas of Hy-Brazil, suppose to have been a royal colony of Atlantis.

(02:53:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) At least one reading mentions the "things" - those pitiable creatures who had been bred to serve as slaves for the Atlanteans.

(02:53:39) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that we find the entity was in the Incal land when there were those changes so oft of the peoples, when there was destruction by the peoples. The entity was in the capacity as a leader of her peoples who would bring help to others, and because of the gold,

(02:53:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) and because of the things, there were men who today are those who grovel about thine own activities, not in the capacity of friend, but as a laborer or laborers.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 5322-1

(02:54:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) One person found a use for her talents in serving in the new land as an interpreter.

(02:55:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the experience the entity was a priestess, in those interpretations of what later became known as the Incals, the Lost Tribes, the peoples from the Atlantean land, the peoples who came west from the activities in the Lemurian land.” - Edgar Cayce Reading 1159-1

(02:55:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Others put their religious training to use for the benefit of their fellow man.

(02:56:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “Before that we find the entity was in the Atlantean land and the entity was among those who were the princesses of the Atlanteans. Holding to the activities of the children of the law of one when there were those disputations and the sons of Belial were using the spiritual ideals for material gains, came the divisions and the destruction.

(02:56:29) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity was among those, however, who changed to the land now known as the Peruvian or Incal land and the entity was still as a princess of her peoples and set about to make for the activities and the worship of one God. These were the experiences of the entity where there were those rebellious forces again for self-indulgences,

(02:56:44) (Host-WalksInSpirit) self-gratifications, and not until there had been those establishings of associations or communications with those in the Egyptian land was there peace brought in the experience of the entity's activities. In the name then Asklaa.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 5257-1

(02:57:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one, then, before this, we find in that land known as the Peruvian land, during those periods when there were builded much of those in the Incals' influence. The entity then of the peoples of the land, suffered much in PHYSICAL during this period, being of those who were close to those who guarded and kept the temples, yet the entity did not WHOLLY -

(02:57:30) (Host-Blu) So Atlanteans in Peru contacted the Atlanteans in Egypt?

(02:57:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) in its MENTAL self - conform to the ritual ideas of those peoples. In the present we find much of that as is innate as respecting ritual and of ceremony.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1725-1

(02:58:58) (ky-mike) yes // a highley evolved people

(02:59:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Well, last week, we saw that communication capabilities were highly evolved, as well as air & water travel

(02:59:36) (Host-Blu) Sounds like the evacuations had some planning involved

(02:59:57) (Host-Blu) would love to find evidence of that!

(03:00:29) (ky-mike) as von donkin said .. the gods . !

(03:00:33) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The place names of the land - Oz and Og - were vanishing during this period, as were the Ohlms and Ohums who had inhabited it before the coming of the more advanced people we have come to call Peruvians. And now a new horde of invaders had appeared to upset the plans and progress of the so-called Peruvians.

(03:01:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A long reading for one young man revealed an interesting life in a far back time.

(03:02:00) (ky-mike) yes

(03:02:17) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in the rule of the peoples in the Peruvian country (now known) when the Incas were in the rule there. The entity then among those of the Temple Worship and the Priest, in the name of Kaat, and the entity then developed in that era when the forces were given to the peoples through the teachings of the entity of their relation to fellow man and the relation to Him whom people served in the Creator.

(03:02:42) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In that we find the entity has the urge as pertaining to the mechanical forces in machinery, for the entity in that day prepared many of the pitfalls in the mountains, where the machineries were prepared for lifting and lowering the precious stones as were gathered under the entity's guidance.

(03:03:02) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Also preparing the waterways for protection and for assistance in gathering such jewels. [See Source File Key #1005 for related papers presented at the 1964 Geological Society of America meeting in Miami Beach, re 1005-2]” – Edgar Cayce Reading 1005-2

(03:03:39) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Appended to Reading 1005-2 a clipping titled "Some Biogeochemical Considerations Concerning The Inca Stonework," Sites the work of the ancient stonemasons as being so exact that knife blade could not be thrust between the 300 ton polygonal stones. (There you go, Mike!)

(03:04:10) (ky-mike) ty

(03:04:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Continuing, the report says that although it has been thought that the Incas that the Incas used no cement, a legend claims that made use of juice extracted from certain red leaves to soften the stone.

(03:04:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In support of this claim, according tot he clipping, is the report of a Spanish Captain, dated 1609, saying that the Incas did use a red mud like cement, and the postulation was made that red iron complexes may have accounted for both leaves and mud like mixture, the Incas using a chelating agent of plant origin to weather, and in that way soften, rocks for their stonework.

(03:05:19) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In his book, Peru G. H. S. Bushnell says that all Central Andean peoples possessed great manual skill, which they employed in a very simple manner. This characteristic was shared by other South and Central American peoples, as well as with the North American Indians of a later date.

(03:05:51) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They molded and painted fine pottery without the use of the potters wheel, and worked many metals, finally producing and learning to work bronze. They had gold, silver, copper and their alloys, but did not have iron. They were as skillful at building the most massive stone temples as they were in creating delicate ornaments of precious stones and gold.

(03:06:26) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Colonel Fawcett said that all the Indian tribes in South America have traditions of ruled by men of a white race very far advanced in the arts of civilization: Bochicha, tall, white-skinned and bearded was aid to have appeared in the highlands of Columbia, South America, bearing a golden scepter, and Hy-Brazil figures in Old Irish legends as a lost golden world of great antiquity.

(03:07:03) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Perhaps it was one of these men of the fabled days to whom the following excerpt refers:

(03:07:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “The entity was among those that were to become the emissaries or the sojourners in what is now the Incal land, or the Peruvian land. Later from that sojourn the entity came to what is now the Central American land, aiding in the establishing of not only the tenets but the manners and the forms of worship during those sojourns.

(03:07:40) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The entity was among the princesses of the land, not only of the Atlantean but of the Ohum [Aymaras] and Og lands - and later Muri [?] [Lemuria?]. [Mu?]” – Edgar Cayce Reading 845-1

(03:08:01) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Much is said about the excellence of the weaving done by those people of early-Inca days and this is mentioned in a reading.

(03:08:41) (Host-WalksInSpirit) “In the one before this we find in the Peruvian country, now known, in the days of the first Incal, as known. Then in the one that gave the first of the draperies to the temples of that period, and the entity lost in this period or experience through self-aggrandizement of position held.

(03:08:56) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The urge as is seen is the love of fine linen and of any work raised as figures on cloth, and the entity sees beauty in any raised figures in such, and often wonders why.” – Edgar Cayce Reading 4805-1

(03:09:23) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The Incas had skilled stonemasons and builders, and they also had wise men of their own race and of the advanced Atlantean culture to guide them. The country flourished. There was an abundance of food: grinding poverty was unknown. The soil, the climate, the abundance of mineral, especially gold and precious stones, combined to assure the lowliest family of enough to satisfy their primitive needs.

(03:10:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The allyu was the basic social unit of the Incas and a collective or co-operative system seems to have been prevalent throughout the Andean region.

(03:10:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A clan of families lived together in a specific area with a common sharing of land, animals and crops. This worked well for the natives. There was no private ownerships of property and since every child was born into an allyu; no one was considered an outsider.

(03:13:30) (Host-WalksInSpirit) This system was not invented by the Incas, but was in affect when they arrived in their new Highland home, a heritage from another, and earlier society; they merely systematized it.

(03:13:51) (Host-WalksInSpirit) A white man had figured prominently in their past, and a white man was to bring about the eventual destruction of their culture patterns. The slow centuries rolled around, bringing the peak of culture in about the year 1,000 A. D.

(03:14:07) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Another 500 years were to pass before the Spaniard, Francisco Pizarro, loomed on the national horizon.

(03:14:28) (Host-WalksInSpirit) It was while taking part in the history-making voyage of Balboa that Pizarro first learned of the Incas. The thought of that great empire, where gold was to be had for the taking, exited his greed as well as his imagination. He began planning to return; to conquer the Incas, and to make himself their master and owner of their wealth.

(03:14:39) (Host-Blu) This guy should have been called Bizzaro...

(03:15:14) (Host-WalksInSpirit) He advised the King of Spain of his project and received approval. On July the 26, 1529 Pizarro was made governor and captain in general of the providence of New Castile for a distance of 200 leagues along the newly discovered Pacific coast. He was invested with all the authority and prerogatives of a viceroy.

(03:15:51) (Host-WalksInSpirit) There was a condition attached, but Pizarro was not to be deterred by prentices. He sailed clandestinely in 1530, leaving his brother Hernando, to fulfill the conditions imposed and join him later.

(03:16:24) (Host-WalksInSpirit) About a year before Pizarro appeared on the west coast, the Great Inca, Huayna Capac, died. His sons then engaged in a civil war to determine which should succeed him. The forces of Atahualpa won the battle and this new Inca chieftain, young and strong, and recently invested with authority was the man who went forth to greet with warmth the supposedly promised white man, now emerging from the mists of tradition - so the Indians believed.

(03:17:09) (Host-WalksInSpirit) The happy state of affairs lasted only a short time; the Pizarro treacherously seized Atahualpa, embolden by the fact that a partner in the project Diego de Almagro, had arrived with reinforcements. Pizarro had been accompanied by only 183 men, in the beginning. Scarcely enough to subdue the entire Inca nation, with it's hordes of people.

(03:17:34) (Host-WalksInSpirit) With Atahualpa imprisoned, Pizarro and Almagro were able to demand and receive a vast fortune in gold as a ransom for the Inca chief. But this was not enough to satisfy Pizarro's lust for wealth and power; he murdered Atahualpa, marched into the royal city of Cuzco, capital of the Incas, and took over, although he did allow a son of the original Great Inca, a man named Manco, to be crowned and sit in authority.

(03:17:52) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Almagro then set out on a land-grabbing and gold stealing expedition to Chile, while Pizarro went to the coast to found the "CITY OF THE KINGS' - Lima, in 1535.

(03:18:21) (Host-WalksInSpirit) With Almagro and Pizarro vying for control of the vast South American Andes land a quarrel was inevitable. Pizarro proved to be the stronger, or at least the more influential, and Almagro's execution was ordered in 1538. His followers brooding over the loss of their leader and their consequent loss of status, plotted revenge which culminated in the assassination of Pizarro in 1541.

(03:18:47) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In one short period of 10 years Pizarro had climbed from the position of an unknown adventurer to that of one of the wealthiest and most hated men in the world. Although wielding a fantastic power, he was destined to be trapped in his own greed. But that was not the end of the blood shed.

(03:19:13) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Vaca de Castro, sent to Peru as Governor by King Charles V, embarked on a program of extermination, beginning with relatives of the disputing and now departed partners, Almagro and Pizarro. By 1548 all the brothers of Pizarro and the son of Almagro had been beheaded, or otherwise disposed of. All malcontents among the Indians were killed and there was a blood bath which was an extravaganza of destruction.

(03:19:46) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Don Francisco de Toledo, viceroy between 1569 and 1581, not content with the killing program of his predecessor, looked at the sullen faces of the conquered race and fancied he could see the seed of rebellion sprouting.

(03:20:06) (Host-WalksInSpirit) To make certain there would be no uprising, he beheaded the Inca ruling class to the last man, then imposed taxes and forced labor in lines and on the farms on the remainder of the once proud Inca nation.

(03:20:36) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Quechuas in the Valley of the Lions, high on the east flank of the Andes, have a story about their past and the coming of the Spanish conqueror. Once, they say, there were many lions roaming their area the beasts killed men, women and children, as well as llamas and other animals of the Quechuas.

(03:21:08) (Host-WalksInSpirit) When the white men came, with their superior weapons, the delighted Indians invited them to come to their aid, period. The Spanish responded, killed the lions, then confiscated the farms and made slaves of the delivered people. Clearly these men were not the "good men in black" of whom the Indians had been told.

(03:21:27) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Remnants of this Inca empire of the past - Quechuas - are said to number 5 million still living in their ancient mountain homeland.

(03:21:57) (Host-WalksInSpirit) In his book, REALM OF THE INCAS, Victor W. Von Hagen describes these people as being of medium height, thick-set, with large hands. The high altitudes at which they live, he credits for their development of disproportionately large chest and well-developed legs. Their faces, he relates , have high cheekbones, prominent aquiline noses, and almond shaped eyes.

(03:22:26) (Host-WalksInSpirit) But, like the Atlanteans, the Lemurians, and the Ohlms, The Incas long since lost their importance except as historical figures.

(03:23:15) (Host-WalksInSpirit) That concludes Part Two of The Great Migration text for this week. Next Week, we'll look at the Mayas in Part Three.

(03:23:48) (Host-Blu) Strange world we live in!

(03:24:18) (true_eagle) yea the myans.. an the calinder....... 2, o12

(03:24:21) (Leon) A sad outcome for an impervious nation.

(03:24:39) (true_eagle) yes blu .. an we know so little

(03:24:43) (Host-WalksInSpirit) Very sad, Leon

(03:25:10) (Host-WalksInSpirit) They seemed like such a nice civilization.

(03:25:12) (Host-Blu) As I look around the world today I see these same players at work again, all around us

(03:25:18) (true_eagle) i call it ... r past ... missing time

(03:25:57) (Leon) It's difficult to piece all this together and make sense of Gods plan of salvation.

(03:26:12) (true_eagle) an 1 of the few ... cayce was able to tap .. into it

(03:26:22) (Host-Blu) very basic Leon when you look at the individual readings. it's about meeting self

(03:26:51) (Host-Blu) The Princess from Atlantis was I am sure a different person in her last incarnation

(03:26:58) (true_eagle) an evolving.. being a better soul

(03:27:07) (Host-Blu) fearful of those who were greedy and in power

(03:27:18) (Leon) very tru Blu

(03:27:28) (Host-Blu) so that is some progress!

(03:27:50) (Host-Blu) We must look at this from an eternal perspective, it's one lesson at a time

(03:28:13) (true_eagle) yes .. an the dark times

(03:29:26) (true_eagle) cayce saw so much.. an wat he saw bothered him

(03:30:40) (Host-Blu) This is why it is so important to establish ideals

(03:31:05) (Host-Blu) to know what your ideals in your Higher self, so yuou know what you came to over come

(03:32:31) (Leon) I'm listening Blu-- I convince myself that everything is ok and "all" is well.

(03:32:48) (Host-Blu) It is ok Leon, and you are well

(03:33:00) (Host-Blu) but we have to serve to help others

(03:33:25) (Host-Blu) so many lost in darkness

(03:33:50) (Host-Blu) and I think it helps us to look at the past and possibly understand why we are such a strange world

(03:35:02) (Host-Blu) When we look at people and say "How could that person do that?" If we understand our true history it is easy to see and why

(03:37:12) (Host-Blu) We are so much more than the "personality" that we have come to identify with all to easily

(03:37:30) (ky-mike) yes . much more

(03:38:30) (ky-mike) and as im found of saying if u have it .. the u have the knowing .... an u r blessed ^i^