Post by WalksInSpirit on Feb 2, 2006 17:06:13 GMT -5
Thursday Afternoon Chat: 02-02-06
"Love"
(02:29:43) (Blu) OK, if there are no volunteers I will pray, please center your thoughts
(02:29:49) (karen) fyi........... take your hands pinkies up and together / next 2 fingers up and together both index fingers together and down on top of thumbs like a pair of glasses / now look through the center of the 2 hands together / notice anything?
(02:31:08) (merri) looking at a church?
(02:31:28) (Roz) can see auras
(02:31:40) (Roz) Hey wis
(02:32:22) (karen) kind of but it is the relationship of the pinkies and the eye section / the pineal gland does anyone see this ?
(02:33:15) (Roz) gray's anatomy?
(02:34:02) (Blu) I am not sure I am doing it right
(02:34:53) (Blu) what do you see karen?
(02:36:06) (karen) separate the pinkie s from the other two back a bit and from where they are situated now is probably the same ratio of the pineal from the front of the skull
(02:36:23) (Blu) cool
(02:36:58) (Blu) ok, I think we should start?
(02:37:19) (Blu) Heavenly Father, We who are gathered here revere your Name. We humbly pray that Your will be done in us and through us. I ask for Your blessing on each and everyone of us. Amen
(02:37:34) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(02:37:35) (merri) Amen
(02:37:37) (karen) amen
(02:37:52) (ron) amen
(02:37:58) (Roz) Amen
(02:38:11) (Blu) Ok, I begin this discussion of "Love" with todays Cayce thought for the day
(02:38:16) (Blu) Watch, that ye be not overcome. Watch and pray, for as the Father giveth so does the understanding come as to what may be accomplished in the efforts of the self in relationships to others; and ye are the light bearers for Him.
(02:38:25) (Blu) Edgar Cayce Reading 262-26
(02:39:06) (Blu) To me this is the central purpose for our being on this planet, that we be "light bearers"
(02:39:20) (Roz) love that being a light bearer
(02:39:33) (Roz) totally agree Blu
(02:39:36) (Blu) me too Roz
(02:39:39) (WalksInSpirit) Yep!
(02:39:41) (Leon) this thought requires some thought
(02:39:49) (Blu) We are going to start this whole concept with a broader concept. At this stage of the game we should all realize that love, marriage and relationships are not about the self serving kind of love and drama that the soaps and society show us. Love is the number one job requirement for the spiritual adept. With out Love we have NOTHING.
(02:40:31) (Blu) As light bearers we are required to serve with Love, the Love of the Christ with in us.
(02:40:51) (Roz) thats what thoughts are for Leon lol
(02:41:04) (Blu) But where is this love, how do we hold on to it and why is it so hard to find? Perhaps because we do not understand, or are not looking from the right perspective do we ask these questions. For that reason today we are going to learn from our good friend Mr. Kevin Todeschi on Karma and Reincarnation. To quote Mr. Todeschi
(02:41:16) (Blu) "The goal is to fully express love in all the challenges which physical life offers."
(02:41:44) (Roz) turn crosses into crowns by how we meet them
(02:42:19) (WalksInSpirit) Reincarnation:
(02:42:19) (WalksInSpirit) Just what is the nature of humankind? This same question, framed in dozens of different approaches, was asked repeatedly of Edgar Cayce. His answers-insights into our relationship with God, one another, and ourselves-have served as a foundation for comparative studies between the East and the West for decades.
(02:42:20) (Blu) right Roz, those good old stepping stones
(02:43:00) (WalksInSpirit) From Cayce's perspective, we are not simply physical bodies or even physical bodies with souls, but are instead spiritual beings who are currently having a material experience.
(02:44:03) (Roz) cosomological even
(02:44:09) (WalksInSpirit) Lemme interject here one of my favorite sayins... "We're not human beings having a spiritual experience. We're spiritual beings having a human experience."
(02:44:44) (WalksInSpirit) As souls, we have manifested in the earth in order to learn lessons that will enable us to return to our former state of spiritual awareness. At the same time, one purpose we all have in common is to bring the spirituality of the Creator into the earth.
(02:45:06) (WalksInSpirit) A soul can choose to be born into either a male or a female body in any given lifetime or, as Cayce called it, an incarnation. A soul selects that environment (parents and family, location, personal obstacles, etc.) which will best allow for the learning of lessons it needs for completeness. The goal is to fully express love in all the challenges which physical life offers.
(02:45:28) (Roz) the cosmos and man in the Last analysis, obey the same law; that man is not separated from the macrocosm by any fixed barriers. The very same laws rule for the one. leads into the other. The psyche and the cosmos are to each other like the inner world and Therefore man participates by nature in all and is inwardly as well as outwardly interwoven
(02:46:08) (Blu) Beautiful Roz
(02:46:28) (Roz) isnt mine btw I borrowed it
(02:46:36) (Blu) ;-D
(02:46:43) (merri) lol
(02:46:51) (WalksInSpirit) Yep, Roz. We're all apart of the big web. All interwoven. :-) Mitakuye Oyasin - We're All Related.
(02:46:53) (ron) very good roz
(02:47:05) (Roz) ; >)
(02:47:22) (Roz) : > )
(02:47:42) (WalksInSpirit) One's experiences are subject to the choices made with free will. As one grows, he or she learns-or rather remembers-his or her true relationship with God and one's heritage as a spiritual being.
(02:47:55) (Roz) and all subconscious minds are interrelated(02:49:01) (WalksInSpirit) Yep. That's like the pre-sleep tape we have from the ARE on Developing Psychic Ability. It describes all people as being points on the same star.
(02:49:14) (WalksInSpirit) With free will, we can turn the challenges life presents to us into stepping-stones toward growth, or we can see them as obstacles and stumbling blocks. Either way, we reap what we have sown. We constantly meet the consequences of previous deeds and attitudes.
(02:50:03) (WalksInSpirit) One frequently misunderstood concept regarding reincarnation has to do with karma. From the standpoint of the Cayce material, karma is not destiny; it is only memory. These memories are generally unconscious and influence our abilities, our faults, even our relationships with others, but with free will we can meet this memory as a positive or a negative experience.
(02:50:20) (Roz) I need a lotta help on that one
(02:50:35) (WalksInSpirit) We all do!
(02:50:45) (WalksInSpirit) Karma provides us with the potential to learn a lesson we need in order to grow at a soul level, and free will determines whether or not we choose to learn it at this time. The choices we make determine the next set of potential experiences we encounter.
(02:50:46) (Blu) I like this part about "Memory"
(02:51:12) (WalksInSpirit) Much more than simply a concept that applies to a limited segment of the world, reincarnation is a philosophy that has-at one time or another-been embraced by all the major religions of the world.
(02:51:31) (WalksInSpirit) It's a concept that can allow us to have compassion for one another because ultimately we are all equal-there is only one God, and we are all His children.
(02:51:45) (WalksInSpirit) From Cayce's viewpoint, it doesn't really matter if an individual believes in reincarnation or not. For some it can be a helpful concept, for others confusing. The main purpose is to allow individuals to become aware of their true spiritual nature and their ultimate relationship with one another.
(02:52:04) (WalksInSpirit) In fact, if we can think for a moment about the one person in our life whom we love most of all. then we will get an inkling of the goal of reincarnation: to be able to love every single soul, even ourselves, with the very same love.
(02:52:16) (WalksInSpirit) Adapted from:
(02:52:16) (WalksInSpirit) Edgar Cayce on the Akashic Records
(02:52:29) (WalksInSpirit) by Kevin J. Todeschi
(02:52:48) (Blu) . . happiness is love of something outside of self! It may never be obtained, may never be known by loving only things within self or self's own domain!
(02:52:57) (Roz) even if ya'd like to smack 'em sometimes?
(02:53:02) (WalksInSpirit) LOL
(02:53:07) (Blu) Edgar Cayce Reading 281-30
(02:53:25) (karen) like a spiders web / everything is connected
(02:53:30) (Blu) even then Roz
(02:53:55) (Roz) or stuff a sock in the their mouths
(02:54:17) (WalksInSpirit) LOL
(02:54:56) (Blu) I get very frustrated sometimes, like we all do. I try to stop and think, ok there have been times in my life when I was dead wrong about something...what would have helped me to see? Did I ever respond to anger or a good smack? No probably not. Then I ask, how would I like to be treated?
(02:55:44) (Blu) Most of the time, when someone listens to me, really listens...I respond in kind. Sometimes I need someone to listen, even if I am wrong
(02:56:05) (karen) from a point of light within the mind of god let light stream forth into the minds of men , let light and love restore the plan on earth
(02:56:07) (Blu) all of the time I need some to love me, even when I am wrong
(02:57:02) (Blu) We can change our "memories" our karma
(02:57:08) (Blu) how?
(02:57:16) (Blu) How can we make that change?
(02:57:31) (Blu) Anyone know?
(02:58:01) (merri) grace?
(02:58:08) (Blu) OK, I know you guys know this
(02:58:11) (Blu) yes
(02:58:20) (Blu) forgiveness
(02:58:30) (Blu) what do we do when we forgive?
(02:58:50) (Blu) be like children and forget
(02:58:56) (ron) it is based upon our actions and reactions to life...whether they are favorable or unfavorable experiences
(02:59:08) (Blu) we alter the memory by forgiving and forgetting
(02:59:26) (Blu) right Ron, and we chose the course
(02:59:51) (karen) forgiving is everything !
(02:59:57) (Blu) we chose whether or not we are going to be angry and resentful, or forgiving, understanding and loving
(03:00:37) (Blu) yes, someone maybe biting us...we choose how we are going to respond, we are the Light Bearers
(03:01:52) (Blu) ok, we have more if you are interested? part 2?
(03:02:04) (Blu) questions or comments
(03:02:18) (ron) good continue
(03:02:33) (Leon) That was very interesting
(03:02:35) (merri) please do
(03:02:40) (diane) yes
(03:03:17) (WalksInSpirit) LOVE
(03:03:17) (WalksInSpirit) by John Van Auken
(03:03:18) (WalksInSpirit) Saint Paul says that it is “the greatest.” Jesus lists it as the top commandment, summing up the works and teachings of all the laws and prophets. More songs are written about it than any other aspect of human experience.
(03:03:18) (WalksInSpirit)
(03:03:21) (Blu) I think we have covered this before but it bears repeating
(03:03:32) (WalksInSpirit) Let’s explore love -- scientifically, philosophically, spiritually, including some of Edgar Cayce’s insights from the Universal Consciousness.
(03:03:40) (Blu) We can never say to much about Love
(03:04:17) (WalksInSpirit) From a scientific point of view, love is a combination of evolutionary forces and biochemistry.
(03:04:19) (Leon) right
(03:04:34) (WalksInSpirit) Evolution’s unswerving drive for survival of the species has grabbed onto human bonding because the weaving of pairs of individuals into interdependent units increases the reproductive success of the parents and the survival rate of their infants.
(03:04:51) (WalksInSpirit) The evolved body is also loaded with powerful chemicals to help ensure the success of the bonding. The “love chemical” is phenylethylamine (PEA).
(03:05:15) (WalksInSpirit) When this is released in the brain of any human, he or she will feel uncontrollably amorous, romantic, and “turned on” by the person who is the object of these feelings. Follow this up with a little oxytocin (often called “the cuddle chemical”), and you have the lovemaking sensations of relaxed satisfaction and attachment. For the relationship to endure, however, endorphins must be released in the brain. If they are, then the love relationship endures.
(03:05:24) (Roz) been a great chat gotta go thanks all
(03:05:25) (WalksInSpirit) If they are, then the love relationship endures.
(03:06:20) (WalksInSpirit) Psychologically, love is dependent upon childhood caregiving. Much research has documented three bonding orientations in children that carry over into adulthood.
(03:06:40) (WalksInSpirit) Using their terms, the three orientations are: secure bonding, ambivalent, and avoidant. If childhood care is consistent, comforting, and offers a safe base from which to explore the world, then the child grows into an adult that has a secure orientation toward bonding, which results in trust, lasting relationships, shared intimacy, and the ability to work out conflicts through compromise.
(03:07:07) (WalksInSpirit) If the childhood care is inconsistent, creating doubts about the caregiver’s availability and the safety of the base from which to explore, then the child grows up to view him- or herself poorly and be-comes preoccupied with keeping his or her romantic partners close at hand and firmly committed.
(03:07:24) (WalksInSpirit) If the childhood care needs are repeatedly rejected or the caregiver is frequently upset or violent, then the child develops avoid-ant patterns and grows up to either look down upon or dread any hints of emotional intimacy.
(03:07:48) (WalksInSpirit) From a philosophical perspective, love can be categorized into three major types, using the Greek words eros, philia, and agape. Eros refers to love that is passionate, intense, and sexual, even erotic. However, Plato held that eros really seeks transcendental beauty, but human beauty reminds one of that transcendent beauty. Philia love is fondness and appreciation of the other, beyond self.
(03:08:20) (WalksInSpirit) It is friendship, family loyalty, community ties, love for one’s work, and the like. Agape love refers to God’s love for His/Her children and to humani-ty’s love for one another. Agape love does not seek anything in return for its expression.
(03:08:32) (WalksInSpirit) However, agape love has an ethical standard and may therefore impartially determine another’s warranting love -- something we acknowledge today as tough love, meaning a love that calls the other to higher levels of behavior. In the New Testament, written in Greek, many of the “love” statements use the word agape.
(03:08:57) (WalksInSpirit) Throughout the Bible, love is most important and powerful. When we think of power, even spiritual power, we rarely think of love. Yet, from Genesis to the Revelation, the Bible indicates that love evokes the highest, most godly of powers and actually is the nature of God. Love brings us closest to our true, divine nature -- our angelic nature.
(03:09:15) (WalksInSpirit) Many biblical passages teach that of all the things a person can learn and do in this world, nothing reflects Godliness more than love. (Love’s power is developed further on page 4, Giving of Ourselves.)
(03:09:32) (WalksInSpirit) The two greatest commandments are found in the Old and New Testaments. The first is found in Deuteronomy 6:5 and Matthew 22:37:
(03:09:32) (WalksInSpirit) “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.”
(03:09:55) (WalksInSpirit) The second commandment is found in Leviticus 19:18 and Matthew 22:39:
(03:09:55) (WalksInSpirit) “You shall love your neighbor [plesion, meaning a ‘close-by person’] as yourself.”
(03:10:19) (WalksInSpirit) The disciple Paul’s famous love statement is found in 1 Corinthians 13:13:
(03:10:19) (WalksInSpirit) “Now abide faith, hope, and love [agape], these three; but the greatest of these is love.”
(03:10:38) (WalksInSpirit) Paul describes love beautifully: “Love is patient, love is kind, and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails.”
(03:10:54) (WalksInSpirit) That is one of my favorite passages.
(03:11:08) (WalksInSpirit) Peter’s love advice is in 1 Peter 4:8: “Above all things, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.”
(03:11:12) (merri) agape love = unconditonal love?
(03:11:22) (Blu) yep
(03:11:34) (WalksInSpirit) John wrote in 1 John 4:7-12: “Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love .... If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us.”
(03:11:52) (WalksInSpirit) Edgar Cayce gave over two thousand readings teaching spiritual seekers to live, think, speak, and abide in love. Here are his comments to four different people:
(03:12:09) (WalksInSpirit) “Let the beauty of your joy, in manifesting the light and love as shown in the Christ-Spirit, that makes for the new song in your heart, keep you in your daily walks of life.”
(03:12:13) (diane) sorry to go..duty calls. Blessings all & ty for chat
(03:12:31) (karen) love is faith and trust, love is hope and sharing , love is kind and warm , love is caring.
(03:12:38) (WalksInSpirit) “Let others do as they may, but as for you and your house, you will love the living God. Know His love is sufficient to keep you. No matter what may be the trial, His love abides, and He is not unmindful of your prayers.”
(03:12:51) (WalksInSpirit) “The beauty of your life rises as a sweet incense before the altar of mercy. Yet it is not sacrifice but peace, grace, and mercy that we would manifest among the children of men. For God is love.”
(03:13:12) (WalksInSpirit) “Keep your paths straight. Know in whom you have believed, as well as in what you believe. For the love as passes understanding can, does, and will make your pathway brighter. Keep in that way.”
(03:13:33) (WalksInSpirit) Jesus presented love on levels, identifying the highest love in this often quoted passage: “No greater love has a person, than to give up his or her life for another” -- not literal death, but giving up self’s desires for another’s. It is thinking more of what another may need than what self may want. Cayce said that Jesus had a secret prayer that he repeated to himself, “Others, Lord, others.”
(03:14:08) (WalksInSpirit) This kept the Father’s power that flowed through Jesus on the right track -- not glorifying himself but revealing the Light and Love that flowed through him -- God’s love, our Father’s and Mother’s love. Selfless loving is the ideal -- giving, caring without expectation of getting something in return. Yet, this must not be self-destructive. No one could accuse Jesus of being a doormat of self-deprecating love.
(03:14:39) (WalksInSpirit) He often radiated a tough love. Those around Him often needed truth, justice, and a clear position on God’s ways, not pampering. Jesus cared so much for others that he would not let them remain in their darkness or misunderstandings. Yet he never condemned them. Rather, He called their mistakes to their attention. He also showed a remarkable sense of their inability to handle the full truth, choosing to be patient: “I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now,” John 16:12.
(03:14:50) (WalksInSpirit) He also showed a remarkable sense of their inability to handle the full truth, choosing to be patient: “I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now,” John 16:12.
(03:15:24) (WalksInSpirit) A mature love requires that we “rightly divine and divide the truth.” Cayce often referred to this teaching, as in this example:
(03:15:47) (WalksInSpirit) “First, study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman not ashamed, rightly divining - or dividing - the words of truth; that is, giving proper evaluations to the material, the mental, and the spiritual relation-ships, the economic, the social, the orders of things in their proper form. Be not hasty in decisions but know that the answers may come from within,” 189-3.
(03:16:12) (WalksInSpirit) In our personal search for spiritual understanding, nothing will empower and illuminate us more than love. But its way is subtle, gentle, choosing to work in the background, quietly. Its workshop is our own hearts and minds; its testing grounds, everyday life and everyday relationships.
(03:16:23) (WalksInSpirit) Prayer and meditation can enhance our ability to understand and practice love in daily life. Supplicant prayer followed by a rising sense of entering into God’s presence, and abiding there in loving at-onement, will yield our better self. This loving presence will be in little things throughout the day -- little things that usually only God and our individual soul know.
(03:16:43) (WalksInSpirit) These loving experiences often leave us humbled but happy and content. Marriage, parenting, friend-ship, work, and self-esteem all improve when love is carried in one’s heart and mind.
(03:17:00) (WalksInSpirit) God truly is love. And abiding in God’s love is transcending, lifting us beyond our normal perspective. “Seek ye first His kingdom (Love), and all else will be added to you.”
(03:17:12) (WalksInSpirit) -END
(03:17:29) (Blu) ;-D
(03:17:45) (Blu) Thank you MR. WISard for pasting!
(03:17:51) (merri) wonderful
(03:17:52) (karen) awesome blu , wis
(03:17:53) (Blu) LOL
(03:18:18) (Leon) It all makes sense
(03:18:20) (WalksInSpirit) You're welcome, My Little Darlin!
(03:18:31) (Blu) Mr. VanAuken and Mr. Todeschi are so kind to come and teach us today!
(03:18:40) (Blu) ;-D
(03:18:54) (Blu) Now the hard part, application!
(03:18:55) (merri) hands clapping!
(03:19:00) (Blu) LOL
(03:19:12) (Blu) To be firm yet loving
(03:28:51) (Blu) I have noticed recently in the chat room a controversy? or discussion about karma.
(03:29:13) (Blu) I want to re emphasize the Cayce material
(03:29:21) (Blu) Karma is neither a debt that must be paid according to some universal tally sheet, nor is it necessarily a set of specific circumstances that must be experienced because of deeds or misdeeds perpetrated in the past. Karma is simply a memory. It is a pool of information that the subconscious mind draws upon and can utilize in the present. It has elements that are positive as well as those which may seem negative.
(03:30:07) (Blu) This meeting of "self" is not necessarily a bad thing... dow e see?
(03:30:16) (Blu) do we see?
(03:30:46) (merri) added to that......karma is not punishment or retribution but comes back to us as education and enlightenment.
(03:30:54) (Blu) right
(03:31:05) (karen) of making one aware of errors or mistakes
(03:31:08) (Blu) I think the tone lately has been one that infers punishment
(03:31:39) (merri) yes especially if a certain chatter has the floor
(03:31:40) (karen) makes one aware if noticed
(03:32:08) (Blu) Edgar Cayce On Karma
(03:32:17) (Blu) That is a nice reference page
(03:42:04) (merri) I have to run pick up the kids....will think on it Blu....Thanks for great afternoon chat
(03:55:21) (Blu) OPEN
(03:55:32) (Blu) CHAT
(03:56:11) (Leon) Thanks for allowing me to share Blu
(02:29:49) (karen) fyi........... take your hands pinkies up and together / next 2 fingers up and together both index fingers together and down on top of thumbs like a pair of glasses / now look through the center of the 2 hands together / notice anything?
(02:31:08) (merri) looking at a church?
(02:31:28) (Roz) can see auras
(02:31:40) (Roz) Hey wis
(02:32:22) (karen) kind of but it is the relationship of the pinkies and the eye section / the pineal gland does anyone see this ?
(02:33:15) (Roz) gray's anatomy?
(02:34:02) (Blu) I am not sure I am doing it right
(02:34:53) (Blu) what do you see karen?
(02:36:06) (karen) separate the pinkie s from the other two back a bit and from where they are situated now is probably the same ratio of the pineal from the front of the skull
(02:36:23) (Blu) cool
(02:36:58) (Blu) ok, I think we should start?
(02:37:19) (Blu) Heavenly Father, We who are gathered here revere your Name. We humbly pray that Your will be done in us and through us. I ask for Your blessing on each and everyone of us. Amen
(02:37:34) (WalksInSpirit) Nunwe
(02:37:35) (merri) Amen
(02:37:37) (karen) amen
(02:37:52) (ron) amen
(02:37:58) (Roz) Amen
(02:38:11) (Blu) Ok, I begin this discussion of "Love" with todays Cayce thought for the day
(02:38:16) (Blu) Watch, that ye be not overcome. Watch and pray, for as the Father giveth so does the understanding come as to what may be accomplished in the efforts of the self in relationships to others; and ye are the light bearers for Him.
(02:38:25) (Blu) Edgar Cayce Reading 262-26
(02:39:06) (Blu) To me this is the central purpose for our being on this planet, that we be "light bearers"
(02:39:20) (Roz) love that being a light bearer
(02:39:33) (Roz) totally agree Blu
(02:39:36) (Blu) me too Roz
(02:39:39) (WalksInSpirit) Yep!
(02:39:41) (Leon) this thought requires some thought
(02:39:49) (Blu) We are going to start this whole concept with a broader concept. At this stage of the game we should all realize that love, marriage and relationships are not about the self serving kind of love and drama that the soaps and society show us. Love is the number one job requirement for the spiritual adept. With out Love we have NOTHING.
(02:40:31) (Blu) As light bearers we are required to serve with Love, the Love of the Christ with in us.
(02:40:51) (Roz) thats what thoughts are for Leon lol
(02:41:04) (Blu) But where is this love, how do we hold on to it and why is it so hard to find? Perhaps because we do not understand, or are not looking from the right perspective do we ask these questions. For that reason today we are going to learn from our good friend Mr. Kevin Todeschi on Karma and Reincarnation. To quote Mr. Todeschi
(02:41:16) (Blu) "The goal is to fully express love in all the challenges which physical life offers."
(02:41:44) (Roz) turn crosses into crowns by how we meet them
(02:42:19) (WalksInSpirit) Reincarnation:
(02:42:19) (WalksInSpirit) Just what is the nature of humankind? This same question, framed in dozens of different approaches, was asked repeatedly of Edgar Cayce. His answers-insights into our relationship with God, one another, and ourselves-have served as a foundation for comparative studies between the East and the West for decades.
(02:42:20) (Blu) right Roz, those good old stepping stones
(02:43:00) (WalksInSpirit) From Cayce's perspective, we are not simply physical bodies or even physical bodies with souls, but are instead spiritual beings who are currently having a material experience.
(02:44:03) (Roz) cosomological even
(02:44:09) (WalksInSpirit) Lemme interject here one of my favorite sayins... "We're not human beings having a spiritual experience. We're spiritual beings having a human experience."
(02:44:44) (WalksInSpirit) As souls, we have manifested in the earth in order to learn lessons that will enable us to return to our former state of spiritual awareness. At the same time, one purpose we all have in common is to bring the spirituality of the Creator into the earth.
(02:45:06) (WalksInSpirit) A soul can choose to be born into either a male or a female body in any given lifetime or, as Cayce called it, an incarnation. A soul selects that environment (parents and family, location, personal obstacles, etc.) which will best allow for the learning of lessons it needs for completeness. The goal is to fully express love in all the challenges which physical life offers.
(02:45:28) (Roz) the cosmos and man in the Last analysis, obey the same law; that man is not separated from the macrocosm by any fixed barriers. The very same laws rule for the one. leads into the other. The psyche and the cosmos are to each other like the inner world and Therefore man participates by nature in all and is inwardly as well as outwardly interwoven
(02:46:08) (Blu) Beautiful Roz
(02:46:28) (Roz) isnt mine btw I borrowed it
(02:46:36) (Blu) ;-D
(02:46:43) (merri) lol
(02:46:51) (WalksInSpirit) Yep, Roz. We're all apart of the big web. All interwoven. :-) Mitakuye Oyasin - We're All Related.
(02:46:53) (ron) very good roz
(02:47:05) (Roz) ; >)
(02:47:22) (Roz) : > )
(02:47:42) (WalksInSpirit) One's experiences are subject to the choices made with free will. As one grows, he or she learns-or rather remembers-his or her true relationship with God and one's heritage as a spiritual being.
(02:47:55) (Roz) and all subconscious minds are interrelated(02:49:01) (WalksInSpirit) Yep. That's like the pre-sleep tape we have from the ARE on Developing Psychic Ability. It describes all people as being points on the same star.
(02:49:14) (WalksInSpirit) With free will, we can turn the challenges life presents to us into stepping-stones toward growth, or we can see them as obstacles and stumbling blocks. Either way, we reap what we have sown. We constantly meet the consequences of previous deeds and attitudes.
(02:50:03) (WalksInSpirit) One frequently misunderstood concept regarding reincarnation has to do with karma. From the standpoint of the Cayce material, karma is not destiny; it is only memory. These memories are generally unconscious and influence our abilities, our faults, even our relationships with others, but with free will we can meet this memory as a positive or a negative experience.
(02:50:20) (Roz) I need a lotta help on that one
(02:50:35) (WalksInSpirit) We all do!
(02:50:45) (WalksInSpirit) Karma provides us with the potential to learn a lesson we need in order to grow at a soul level, and free will determines whether or not we choose to learn it at this time. The choices we make determine the next set of potential experiences we encounter.
(02:50:46) (Blu) I like this part about "Memory"
(02:51:12) (WalksInSpirit) Much more than simply a concept that applies to a limited segment of the world, reincarnation is a philosophy that has-at one time or another-been embraced by all the major religions of the world.
(02:51:31) (WalksInSpirit) It's a concept that can allow us to have compassion for one another because ultimately we are all equal-there is only one God, and we are all His children.
(02:51:45) (WalksInSpirit) From Cayce's viewpoint, it doesn't really matter if an individual believes in reincarnation or not. For some it can be a helpful concept, for others confusing. The main purpose is to allow individuals to become aware of their true spiritual nature and their ultimate relationship with one another.
(02:52:04) (WalksInSpirit) In fact, if we can think for a moment about the one person in our life whom we love most of all. then we will get an inkling of the goal of reincarnation: to be able to love every single soul, even ourselves, with the very same love.
(02:52:16) (WalksInSpirit) Adapted from:
(02:52:16) (WalksInSpirit) Edgar Cayce on the Akashic Records
(02:52:29) (WalksInSpirit) by Kevin J. Todeschi
(02:52:48) (Blu) . . happiness is love of something outside of self! It may never be obtained, may never be known by loving only things within self or self's own domain!
(02:52:57) (Roz) even if ya'd like to smack 'em sometimes?
(02:53:02) (WalksInSpirit) LOL
(02:53:07) (Blu) Edgar Cayce Reading 281-30
(02:53:25) (karen) like a spiders web / everything is connected
(02:53:30) (Blu) even then Roz
(02:53:55) (Roz) or stuff a sock in the their mouths
(02:54:17) (WalksInSpirit) LOL
(02:54:56) (Blu) I get very frustrated sometimes, like we all do. I try to stop and think, ok there have been times in my life when I was dead wrong about something...what would have helped me to see? Did I ever respond to anger or a good smack? No probably not. Then I ask, how would I like to be treated?
(02:55:44) (Blu) Most of the time, when someone listens to me, really listens...I respond in kind. Sometimes I need someone to listen, even if I am wrong
(02:56:05) (karen) from a point of light within the mind of god let light stream forth into the minds of men , let light and love restore the plan on earth
(02:56:07) (Blu) all of the time I need some to love me, even when I am wrong
(02:57:02) (Blu) We can change our "memories" our karma
(02:57:08) (Blu) how?
(02:57:16) (Blu) How can we make that change?
(02:57:31) (Blu) Anyone know?
(02:58:01) (merri) grace?
(02:58:08) (Blu) OK, I know you guys know this
(02:58:11) (Blu) yes
(02:58:20) (Blu) forgiveness
(02:58:30) (Blu) what do we do when we forgive?
(02:58:50) (Blu) be like children and forget
(02:58:56) (ron) it is based upon our actions and reactions to life...whether they are favorable or unfavorable experiences
(02:59:08) (Blu) we alter the memory by forgiving and forgetting
(02:59:26) (Blu) right Ron, and we chose the course
(02:59:51) (karen) forgiving is everything !
(02:59:57) (Blu) we chose whether or not we are going to be angry and resentful, or forgiving, understanding and loving
(03:00:37) (Blu) yes, someone maybe biting us...we choose how we are going to respond, we are the Light Bearers
(03:01:52) (Blu) ok, we have more if you are interested? part 2?
(03:02:04) (Blu) questions or comments
(03:02:18) (ron) good continue
(03:02:33) (Leon) That was very interesting
(03:02:35) (merri) please do
(03:02:40) (diane) yes
(03:03:17) (WalksInSpirit) LOVE
(03:03:17) (WalksInSpirit) by John Van Auken
(03:03:18) (WalksInSpirit) Saint Paul says that it is “the greatest.” Jesus lists it as the top commandment, summing up the works and teachings of all the laws and prophets. More songs are written about it than any other aspect of human experience.
(03:03:18) (WalksInSpirit)
(03:03:21) (Blu) I think we have covered this before but it bears repeating
(03:03:32) (WalksInSpirit) Let’s explore love -- scientifically, philosophically, spiritually, including some of Edgar Cayce’s insights from the Universal Consciousness.
(03:03:40) (Blu) We can never say to much about Love
(03:04:17) (WalksInSpirit) From a scientific point of view, love is a combination of evolutionary forces and biochemistry.
(03:04:19) (Leon) right
(03:04:34) (WalksInSpirit) Evolution’s unswerving drive for survival of the species has grabbed onto human bonding because the weaving of pairs of individuals into interdependent units increases the reproductive success of the parents and the survival rate of their infants.
(03:04:51) (WalksInSpirit) The evolved body is also loaded with powerful chemicals to help ensure the success of the bonding. The “love chemical” is phenylethylamine (PEA).
(03:05:15) (WalksInSpirit) When this is released in the brain of any human, he or she will feel uncontrollably amorous, romantic, and “turned on” by the person who is the object of these feelings. Follow this up with a little oxytocin (often called “the cuddle chemical”), and you have the lovemaking sensations of relaxed satisfaction and attachment. For the relationship to endure, however, endorphins must be released in the brain. If they are, then the love relationship endures.
(03:05:24) (Roz) been a great chat gotta go thanks all
(03:05:25) (WalksInSpirit) If they are, then the love relationship endures.
(03:06:20) (WalksInSpirit) Psychologically, love is dependent upon childhood caregiving. Much research has documented three bonding orientations in children that carry over into adulthood.
(03:06:40) (WalksInSpirit) Using their terms, the three orientations are: secure bonding, ambivalent, and avoidant. If childhood care is consistent, comforting, and offers a safe base from which to explore the world, then the child grows into an adult that has a secure orientation toward bonding, which results in trust, lasting relationships, shared intimacy, and the ability to work out conflicts through compromise.
(03:07:07) (WalksInSpirit) If the childhood care is inconsistent, creating doubts about the caregiver’s availability and the safety of the base from which to explore, then the child grows up to view him- or herself poorly and be-comes preoccupied with keeping his or her romantic partners close at hand and firmly committed.
(03:07:24) (WalksInSpirit) If the childhood care needs are repeatedly rejected or the caregiver is frequently upset or violent, then the child develops avoid-ant patterns and grows up to either look down upon or dread any hints of emotional intimacy.
(03:07:48) (WalksInSpirit) From a philosophical perspective, love can be categorized into three major types, using the Greek words eros, philia, and agape. Eros refers to love that is passionate, intense, and sexual, even erotic. However, Plato held that eros really seeks transcendental beauty, but human beauty reminds one of that transcendent beauty. Philia love is fondness and appreciation of the other, beyond self.
(03:08:20) (WalksInSpirit) It is friendship, family loyalty, community ties, love for one’s work, and the like. Agape love refers to God’s love for His/Her children and to humani-ty’s love for one another. Agape love does not seek anything in return for its expression.
(03:08:32) (WalksInSpirit) However, agape love has an ethical standard and may therefore impartially determine another’s warranting love -- something we acknowledge today as tough love, meaning a love that calls the other to higher levels of behavior. In the New Testament, written in Greek, many of the “love” statements use the word agape.
(03:08:57) (WalksInSpirit) Throughout the Bible, love is most important and powerful. When we think of power, even spiritual power, we rarely think of love. Yet, from Genesis to the Revelation, the Bible indicates that love evokes the highest, most godly of powers and actually is the nature of God. Love brings us closest to our true, divine nature -- our angelic nature.
(03:09:15) (WalksInSpirit) Many biblical passages teach that of all the things a person can learn and do in this world, nothing reflects Godliness more than love. (Love’s power is developed further on page 4, Giving of Ourselves.)
(03:09:32) (WalksInSpirit) The two greatest commandments are found in the Old and New Testaments. The first is found in Deuteronomy 6:5 and Matthew 22:37:
(03:09:32) (WalksInSpirit) “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.”
(03:09:55) (WalksInSpirit) The second commandment is found in Leviticus 19:18 and Matthew 22:39:
(03:09:55) (WalksInSpirit) “You shall love your neighbor [plesion, meaning a ‘close-by person’] as yourself.”
(03:10:19) (WalksInSpirit) The disciple Paul’s famous love statement is found in 1 Corinthians 13:13:
(03:10:19) (WalksInSpirit) “Now abide faith, hope, and love [agape], these three; but the greatest of these is love.”
(03:10:38) (WalksInSpirit) Paul describes love beautifully: “Love is patient, love is kind, and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails.”
(03:10:54) (WalksInSpirit) That is one of my favorite passages.
(03:11:08) (WalksInSpirit) Peter’s love advice is in 1 Peter 4:8: “Above all things, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.”
(03:11:12) (merri) agape love = unconditonal love?
(03:11:22) (Blu) yep
(03:11:34) (WalksInSpirit) John wrote in 1 John 4:7-12: “Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love .... If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us.”
(03:11:52) (WalksInSpirit) Edgar Cayce gave over two thousand readings teaching spiritual seekers to live, think, speak, and abide in love. Here are his comments to four different people:
(03:12:09) (WalksInSpirit) “Let the beauty of your joy, in manifesting the light and love as shown in the Christ-Spirit, that makes for the new song in your heart, keep you in your daily walks of life.”
(03:12:13) (diane) sorry to go..duty calls. Blessings all & ty for chat
(03:12:31) (karen) love is faith and trust, love is hope and sharing , love is kind and warm , love is caring.
(03:12:38) (WalksInSpirit) “Let others do as they may, but as for you and your house, you will love the living God. Know His love is sufficient to keep you. No matter what may be the trial, His love abides, and He is not unmindful of your prayers.”
(03:12:51) (WalksInSpirit) “The beauty of your life rises as a sweet incense before the altar of mercy. Yet it is not sacrifice but peace, grace, and mercy that we would manifest among the children of men. For God is love.”
(03:13:12) (WalksInSpirit) “Keep your paths straight. Know in whom you have believed, as well as in what you believe. For the love as passes understanding can, does, and will make your pathway brighter. Keep in that way.”
(03:13:33) (WalksInSpirit) Jesus presented love on levels, identifying the highest love in this often quoted passage: “No greater love has a person, than to give up his or her life for another” -- not literal death, but giving up self’s desires for another’s. It is thinking more of what another may need than what self may want. Cayce said that Jesus had a secret prayer that he repeated to himself, “Others, Lord, others.”
(03:14:08) (WalksInSpirit) This kept the Father’s power that flowed through Jesus on the right track -- not glorifying himself but revealing the Light and Love that flowed through him -- God’s love, our Father’s and Mother’s love. Selfless loving is the ideal -- giving, caring without expectation of getting something in return. Yet, this must not be self-destructive. No one could accuse Jesus of being a doormat of self-deprecating love.
(03:14:39) (WalksInSpirit) He often radiated a tough love. Those around Him often needed truth, justice, and a clear position on God’s ways, not pampering. Jesus cared so much for others that he would not let them remain in their darkness or misunderstandings. Yet he never condemned them. Rather, He called their mistakes to their attention. He also showed a remarkable sense of their inability to handle the full truth, choosing to be patient: “I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now,” John 16:12.
(03:14:50) (WalksInSpirit) He also showed a remarkable sense of their inability to handle the full truth, choosing to be patient: “I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now,” John 16:12.
(03:15:24) (WalksInSpirit) A mature love requires that we “rightly divine and divide the truth.” Cayce often referred to this teaching, as in this example:
(03:15:47) (WalksInSpirit) “First, study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman not ashamed, rightly divining - or dividing - the words of truth; that is, giving proper evaluations to the material, the mental, and the spiritual relation-ships, the economic, the social, the orders of things in their proper form. Be not hasty in decisions but know that the answers may come from within,” 189-3.
(03:16:12) (WalksInSpirit) In our personal search for spiritual understanding, nothing will empower and illuminate us more than love. But its way is subtle, gentle, choosing to work in the background, quietly. Its workshop is our own hearts and minds; its testing grounds, everyday life and everyday relationships.
(03:16:23) (WalksInSpirit) Prayer and meditation can enhance our ability to understand and practice love in daily life. Supplicant prayer followed by a rising sense of entering into God’s presence, and abiding there in loving at-onement, will yield our better self. This loving presence will be in little things throughout the day -- little things that usually only God and our individual soul know.
(03:16:43) (WalksInSpirit) These loving experiences often leave us humbled but happy and content. Marriage, parenting, friend-ship, work, and self-esteem all improve when love is carried in one’s heart and mind.
(03:17:00) (WalksInSpirit) God truly is love. And abiding in God’s love is transcending, lifting us beyond our normal perspective. “Seek ye first His kingdom (Love), and all else will be added to you.”
(03:17:12) (WalksInSpirit) -END
(03:17:29) (Blu) ;-D
(03:17:45) (Blu) Thank you MR. WISard for pasting!
(03:17:51) (merri) wonderful
(03:17:52) (karen) awesome blu , wis
(03:17:53) (Blu) LOL
(03:18:18) (Leon) It all makes sense
(03:18:20) (WalksInSpirit) You're welcome, My Little Darlin!
(03:18:31) (Blu) Mr. VanAuken and Mr. Todeschi are so kind to come and teach us today!
(03:18:40) (Blu) ;-D
(03:18:54) (Blu) Now the hard part, application!
(03:18:55) (merri) hands clapping!
(03:19:00) (Blu) LOL
(03:19:12) (Blu) To be firm yet loving
(03:28:51) (Blu) I have noticed recently in the chat room a controversy? or discussion about karma.
(03:29:13) (Blu) I want to re emphasize the Cayce material
(03:29:21) (Blu) Karma is neither a debt that must be paid according to some universal tally sheet, nor is it necessarily a set of specific circumstances that must be experienced because of deeds or misdeeds perpetrated in the past. Karma is simply a memory. It is a pool of information that the subconscious mind draws upon and can utilize in the present. It has elements that are positive as well as those which may seem negative.
(03:30:07) (Blu) This meeting of "self" is not necessarily a bad thing... dow e see?
(03:30:16) (Blu) do we see?
(03:30:46) (merri) added to that......karma is not punishment or retribution but comes back to us as education and enlightenment.
(03:30:54) (Blu) right
(03:31:05) (karen) of making one aware of errors or mistakes
(03:31:08) (Blu) I think the tone lately has been one that infers punishment
(03:31:39) (merri) yes especially if a certain chatter has the floor
(03:31:40) (karen) makes one aware if noticed
(03:32:08) (Blu) Edgar Cayce On Karma
(03:32:17) (Blu) That is a nice reference page
(03:42:04) (merri) I have to run pick up the kids....will think on it Blu....Thanks for great afternoon chat
(03:55:21) (Blu) OPEN
(03:55:32) (Blu) CHAT
(03:56:11) (Leon) Thanks for allowing me to share Blu
