Post by WalksInSpirit on Nov 3, 2005 23:34:19 GMT -5
Thursday Afternoon Chat: 10-27-05
"Grandfather Stalking Wolf's Prophecies"
(02:40:48) (WalksInSpirit) OK... Today, I thought we'd talk about Grandfather Stalking Wolf's Prophecies. Mike, I'll need your help with this. :-)
(02:41:20) (ky-mike) k .. watever wis
(02:41:26) (Ral) oh now mike
(02:41:34) (Ral) :)
(02:41:38) (WalksInSpirit) Night of the Red Sky
(02:41:38) (WalksInSpirit) The Prophetic Vision of 'Grandfather'
(02:41:38) (WalksInSpirit) In the 1920s, an Apache wise man had a Vision of four prophecies that foretold death and destruction for mankind, unless we incorporate Spirit in our daily lives.
(02:41:38) (WalksInSpirit) Two of these prophecies may already have come true.
(02:42:16) (ky-mike) an he was ... shamen ... very wise an a heler
(02:42:40) (WalksInSpirit) by Tom Brown, Jr 1991
(02:42:40) (WalksInSpirit) A number of people can predict the future, but few get the timing correct. "Grandfather" was an Apache wise man and scout, named Stalking Wolf, who grew up outside white man's influence. His many predictions not only came true in the manner he predicted, but also when he predicted.
(02:43:53) (WalksInSpirit) Tom Brown, Jr learned extensively from Grandfather for twenty years, from their first meeting when Tom was seven years old. Stalking Wolf was the real-life grandfather of Tom's best friend at the time. The following excerpt from Tom's book, The Quest, tells of Grandfather's predictions for all of mankind.
(02:43:58) (ky-mike) he was in tune with the spirit world... an knew the sacred silence
(02:45:08) (Ral) why is t
(02:45:18) (Ral) ok w
(02:45:22) (WalksInSpirit) Looking back, I can clearly see that Grandfather's prophecies, unlike anything else, had the greatest influence on my life. At the time they had little more effect than to frighten me and cause me to sit up and take notice. It wasn't until after his prophecies began to come true that their haunting impact began to affect me in a very profound way.
(02:45:24) (ky-mike) an the spirit that moves in all thing !
(02:46:12) (WalksInSpirit) More than any other person-prophet, religious leader or psychic-I have ever met, Grandfather's prophecies, on both a major and a minor scale, came true exactly at the time he prophesied and exactly as he prophesied. With that record, I could not help but feel the impact of these prophecies on my life.
(02:46:47) (ky-mike) he was picked by stalkingwolf ... to carry on ...with his teachings
(02:46:57) (Ral) k
(02:47:17) (WalksInSpirit) Grandfather could foretell the future with tremendous accuracy. Not only could he precisely tell us what would happen in the next moment, day, week or year, but with the same accuracy he could predict the possible futures for ten years and more away. It was not long before I began to keep detailed records of his predictions, along with other notes I kept on survival skills, tracking, awareness and things of the Spirit.
(02:47:57) (Ral) send me a link to these walks please
(02:48:11) (WalksInSpirit) To what, Ral?
(02:48:14) (ky-mike) an he fortold , toms future an wat he would do .. thru his life
(02:48:38) (WalksInSpirit) I received from Grandfather hundreds of personal, minor predictions, and well over half have since come true. Along with the minor personal prophecies was a list of 103 major predictions, of which, to date, over 65 have become absolutely true, not only in time and place but also in the exact order in which they were predicted to happen.
(02:49:02) (WalksInSpirit) Grandfather said that there was not future, only possible futures. The 'now' was like the palm of a hand, with each finger being the possible future, and, as always, one of the futures was always the most powerful, the way that the main course of events would surely take us. Thus his predictions were of the possible future, which meant that he always left a choice.
(02:50:05) (ky-mike) stalkingwolf was ... much like cayce ...
(02:50:38) (WalksInSpirit) "If a man could make the right choices," he said, "then he could significantly alter the course of the possible future. No man, then, should feel insignificant, for it only takes one man to alter the consciousness of mankind through the Spirit-that-moves-in-all-things.
(02:51:27) (WalksInSpirit) In essence, one thought influences another, then another, until the thought is made manifest throughout all of Creation. It is the same thought, the same force, that causes an entire flock of birds to change course, as the flock then has one mind."
(02:51:35) (Ral) yes as scripure sayz the prayer of 1 sincere
(02:52:15) (ky-mike) to b in sink...... as 1
(02:52:25) (WalksInSpirit) Out of all the personal and major prophecies that Grandfather foretold, there are four that stand out above all the rest. It is these four that mark the destruction of man and life on Earth, as we know it to exist now. Yet Grandfather said that we could still change things, even after the first two prophecies came true, but that there could be no turning back after the third.
(02:53:14) (Ral) yes however all things are possible with god walks
(02:53:25) (ky-mike) an the 4th , is the bleeding stars... or red sky
(02:53:27) (Ral) so turning back is possible
(02:53:45) (Ral) k
(02:53:50) (WalksInSpirit) Now that we have gone well past the second prophecy, danger and destruction are very apparent, and our only recourse is to work harder to change what has possibly become the inevitable. The urgency that I feel-now, more than ever-is a direct result of the second, impossible prophecy coming true. It is the reason that I teach, sometimes with a certain desperation, and constantly with the sense that we are quickly running out of time.
(02:54:52) (Ral) walks
(02:55:02) (Ral) the sun can be stopped ok
(02:55:21) (Ral) soory / continue
(02:55:50) (Q) could you tell us of 65 prophecies that came to pass if you have them?
(02:56:06) (WalksInSpirit) Ok, but remember... the last time we had this discussion about what the Bible says in Revelation, you were on the other side of the discussion, saying you could not stop what God has decreed to happen.
(02:56:13) (Ral) well he is to give 4 now q
(02:56:29) (Ral) ok w
(02:56:52) (Ral) oh yes ok yes
(02:57:02) (WalksInSpirit) Okie Dokie, Q. We're working to them. :-)
(02:57:09) (Ral) k
(02:57:11) (WalksInSpirit) I should have worked harder and with that same desperation at a much earlier date, but, like the rest of mankind, it took a strong message to get me motivated. I should have known that these things he prophesied would some day come true, because his personal, minor predictions were coming true daily.
(02:57:24) (ky-mike) an tom brown site is.... www.trackerschool.com
(02:57:32) (Q) k . Ral. tnx.
(02:57:43) (WalksInSpirit) He so accurately foretold of Rick's death on a white horse, that I would some day teach, that I would have a son-and that taking him into the Pine Barrens for the first time would forever change my life. He predicted the formation of my school, my books, my family, and even the horrible mistakes I would make as I tried to live within society.
(02:59:15) (WalksInSpirit) This is pretty long, so what we'll do is skip on to the 4 signs, if that's ok. Then, come back if yall want to.
(02:59:25) (Ral) k
(02:59:35) (Q) sure.
(02:59:37) (ky-mike) yes
(02:59:43) (WalksInSpirit) "I had a Vision," Grandfather said. "It was a Vision of the destruction of man. But man was given four warnings to that destruction, two of which gave man a chance to change his ways and two of which would give the children of the Earth time to escape the Creator's wrath."
(02:59:43) (WalksInSpirit) "How will I know these warnings, these signs?" I asked.
(03:00:08) (WalksInSpirit) Grandfather continued. "They will be obvious to you and those who have learned to listen to the Spirit of the Earth; but to those who live within the flesh and know only flesh, there is no knowing or understanding. When these signs, these warnings and prophecies, are made manifest, then you will understand the urgency of what I speak. Then you will understand why people must not just work for their own spiritual rapture but to bring that rapture to the consciousness of modern man."
(03:00:11) (ky-mike) as cayce said to !
(03:00:53) (WalksInSpirit) to the consciousness of modern man."
(03:00:57) (ky-mike) it is up to us !
(03:01:10) (Ral) rapture as thought of in scripture is incorrect
(03:01:23) (WalksInSpirit) The Four Signs
(03:01:23) (WalksInSpirit) Grandfather had been wandering for several years and was well into his forties when the Vision of the four signs was given to him. He had just finished his third Vision Quest at the Eternal Cave when the Vision made itself known. He had been seated at the mouth of the cave, awaiting the rising Sun, when the spirit of the warrior appeared to him.
(03:01:54) (WalksInSpirit) He felt as if he were in a state somewhere between dream and reality, sleep and wakefulness, until the spirit finally spoke and he knew that it was not his imagination. The spirit called Grandfather's name and beckoned him to follow.
(03:02:12) (WalksInSpirit) As Grandfather stood, he was suddenly transported to another world. Again, he thought that he was dreaming, but his flesh could feel the reality of this place; his senses knew that this was a state of abject reality, but in another time and place.
(03:02:53) (WalksInSpirit) The spirit warrior spoke to Grandfather. "These are the things yet to come that will mark the destruction of man. These things you may never see, but you must work to stop them and pass these warnings on to your grandchildren. They are the possible futures of what will come if man does not come back to the Earth and begin to obey the laws of Creation and the Creator.
(03:03:03) (Ral) define abject
(03:03:19) (WalksInSpirit) Just a sec, Ral
(03:03:25) (ky-mike) to b in tune
(03:03:32) (Ral) ty mike
(03:04:10) (diane) abject?
(03:04:32) (WalksInSpirit) [adj] most unfortunate or miserable; "the most abject slaves joined in the revolt"; "abject poverty"
(03:04:35) (diane) the lowest of the low..n
(03:04:46) (Ral) k ty
(03:05:09) (WalksInSpirit) The spirit warrior spoke to Grandfather. "These are the things yet to come that will mark the destruction of man. These things you may never see, but you must work to stop them and pass these warnings on to your grandchildren. They are the possible futures of what will come if man does not come back to the Earth and begin to obey the laws of Creation and the Creator.
(03:05:34) (WalksInSpirit) There are four signs, four warnings, that only the children of the Earth will understand. Each warning marks the beginning of a possible future, and as each warning becomes reality, so too does the future it marks."
(03:06:01) (WalksInSpirit) With that, the spirit warrior was gone and Grandfather was left alone in this strange, new world.
(03:06:19) (Q) abject.... low in spirit or hope ..webs/dict. . Ral.
(03:06:24) (Ral) what r the 4
(03:06:25) (Ral) ?
(03:06:28) (WalksInSpirit) The First Sign
(03:06:28) (WalksInSpirit) The world he was in was like nothing he had ever known. It was a dry place with little vegetation. In the distance he saw a village, yet it was made out of tents and cloth rather than from the materials of the Earth. As he drew closer to the village, the stench of death overwhelmed him and he grew sick. He could hear children crying, the moaning of elders and the sounds of sickness and despair.
(03:07:07) (Ral) god w
(03:07:23) (WalksInSpirit) Piles of bodies lay in open pits awaiting burial, their contorted faces and frail frames telling of death from starvation. The bodies appeared more like skeletons than flesh, and children, adults and elders all looked the same, their once dark-brown complexions now ash-grey. As Grandfather entered the village, the horror of living starvation struck him deeper.
(03:07:46) (ky-mike) starving in africa
(03:07:49) (Ral) well this is today in 3rd world
(03:07:54) (WalksInSpirit) Children could barely walk, elders lay dying, and everywhere were the cries of pain and fear. The stench of death and the sense of hopelessness overwhelmed Grandfather, threatening to drive him from the village.
(03:08:01) (ky-mike) an remember he fortold this decades in advance
(03:08:14) (Blu) I agree, we see this in the world we know today
(03:08:50) (WalksInSpirit) It was then that an elder appeared to Grandfather, at first speaking in a language that he could not understand. Grandfather realised, as the elder spoke, that he was the spirit of a man-a man no longer of flesh, but a man who had once walked a spiritual path, possibly a shaman of this tribe. It was then that he understood what the old one was trying to tell him.
(03:09:27) (WalksInSpirit) The elder spoke softly. "Welcome to what will be called the 'land of starvation'. The world will one day look upon all of this with horror and will blame the famine on the weather and the Earth. This will be the first warning to the world that man cannot live beyond the laws of Creation, nor can he fight Nature. If the world sees that it is to blame for this famine, this senseless starvation, then a great lesson will be learned.
(03:10:22) (WalksInSpirit) But I am afraid that the world will not blame itself, but that the blame will be placed on Nature. The world will not see that it created this place of death by forcing these people to have larger families. When the natural laws of the land were broken, the people starved, as Nature starves the deer in winter when their numbers are too many for the land to bear."
(03:10:53) (Ral) i know how to flood africa / easily
(03:11:04) (diane) take a look at the leaders of the countries in which these atrocities take place. Nature's dangerous enough, but man's inhumanity to man is what slays me
(03:11:29) (WalksInSpirit) Very true, Diane
(03:12:02) (diane) It's we who are at fault
(03:12:05) (ky-mike) mans greed will distroy us !
(03:12:13) (WalksInSpirit) The old one continued. "These people should have been left alone. They once understood how to live with the Earth, and their wealth was measured in happiness, love and peace. But all of that was taken from them when the world saw theirs as a primitive society.
(03:12:18) (diane) Absolutely, mike
(03:12:23) (Eileen) han, just make us richer, ky-mike
(03:12:25) (WalksInSpirit) Right on, Mike!
(03:12:26) (Eileen) nah
(03:12:27) (Ral) well no kinda
(03:12:52) (Ral) its the pile of baby cherub poop lucifer
(03:12:58) (WalksInSpirit) It was then that the world showed them how to farm and live in a less primitive way. It was the world that forced them to live outside the laws of Creation and, as a result, is now forcing them to die."
(03:13:01) (Ral) :)
(03:13:12) (diane) lucifer in human form
(03:13:29) (Ral) yes di
(03:13:43) (Ral) kinda
(03:14:03) (diane) love thy brother, even if he's satan
(03:14:38) (Eileen) wonder what it would do to satan if we showed love to him
(03:14:39) (WalksInSpirit) Over the last couple of days, I have come to a realization... there's no need for man to look to an outside power as the author of evil. Because man is plenty capable of it himself.
(03:14:50) (Ral) SATAN IS CONDEMNED ALREADY
(03:15:02) (diane) wow, Eileen, what a thougt
(03:15:09) (diane) thought
(03:15:23) (Tlv) very tru WIS
(03:15:29) (Eileen) and are we to show love to those who are evil, as well?
(03:15:31) (Q) he will know that he has tricked the elect.
(03:15:38) (diane) there you go walks, you said it!
(03:15:56) (Ral) oh god
(03:16:02) (Ral) love satan?
(03:16:06) (Eileen) if we show him love, Q?
(03:16:07) (Ral) geeeeezus
(03:16:19) (Q) Jesus didn't like him.. why should I.
(03:16:32) (Ral) say that again el?
(03:16:36) (Ral) love evil
(03:16:45) (diane) How would we know...it just said "Love thy neighbor as..." How do you know?
(03:16:45) (Eileen) love thy enemies, I think He said, but does that mean all of them, including satan?
(03:16:47) (Ral) you go ahead / not me dear
(03:17:38) (Whiteraven) well he didnt say excluding satan did he Diane ?
(03:17:39) (Q) It is written.. to bow no knee to satan.. satan wanted jesus to worship him.. he don't want his love...
(03:17:50) (Eileen) just wondering, diane, what exactly are we to do in these situations
(03:17:54) (diane) No raven, that's what gets me
(03:18:09) (WalksInSpirit) The old man slowly began to walk away, back to the death and despair. He turned one last time to Grandfather, and said: "This will be the first sign. There will come starvation before and after this starvation, but none will capture the attention of the world with such impact as does this one.
(03:18:12) (ky-mike) yes
(03:18:18) (Ral) ty w
(03:18:52) (diane) good question, Eileen
(03:19:06) (diane) because "Judge not...etc"
(03:19:10) (Ral) bad idea el
(03:19:55) (Eileen) is the story speaking of the present time Walks?
(03:20:35) (Q) satan is already judged.. don't let him become a stumbling block to your salvation.
(03:20:54) (Blu) These are 4 possible futures Eileen
(03:21:02) (Blu) this is just one of them
(03:21:14) (Eileen) oh, ok, Walks, know I am coming in on the tale end of this
(03:21:28) (Eileen) thanks, Ms. Blu
(03:21:34) (Blu) This is still the first one of the 4
(03:21:41) (Blu) YW
(03:21:50) (Eileen) oh, good, will get to hear the other three then
(03:22:03) (WalksInSpirit) The children of the Earth will know the lessons that are held in all of this pain and death, but the world will only see it as drought and famine, blaming Nature instead of itself."
(03:22:26) (WalksInSpirit) With that, the old one disappeared, and Grandfather found himself back at the mouth of the Eternal Cave.
(03:22:26) (WalksInSpirit) [Author's note: This is the great African famine that inspired the Bob Geldof "We are the World" Live Aid relief effort.]
(03:22:52) (Eileen) WOW
(03:23:13) (WalksInSpirit) In a state of physical and emotional exhaustion, Grandfather fell into a deep sleep, but it was in this sleep that the warrior spirit appeared to him again and brought the remainder of the first sign to completion.
(03:23:35) (ky-mike) an we r the world ... an we can make a better place !
(03:23:46) (WalksInSpirit) In his dream, the spirit spoke to Grandfather. "It is during the years of the famine, the first sign, that man will be plagued by a disease, a disease that will sweep the land and terrorise the masses. The white coats [doctors/scientists] will have no answers for the people, and a great cry will arise across the land.
(03:23:50) (Blu) Amen Mike
(03:24:23) (WalksInSpirit) The disease will be born of monkeys, drugs and sex. It will destroy man from inside, making common sickness a killing disease. Mankind will bring this disease upon himself as a result of his life, his worship of sex and drugs, and a life away from Nature.
(03:24:47) (WalksInSpirit) This, too, is a part of the first warning; but, again, man will not heed this warning and he will continue to worship the false gods of sex and the unconscious spirit of drugs." [Author's note: This is presumably a reference to AIDS.]
(03:24:48) (ky-mike) hes talking aids...... people !
(03:24:52) (Eileen) sounds like AIDS to me
(03:24:53) (Raleigh) as aids
(03:25:05) (diane) and it kills the innocent as well
(03:25:12) (Raleigh) yes di
(03:25:32) (WalksInSpirit) The spirit continued. "The drugs will produce wars in the cities of man, and the nations will arise against those wars, arise against that killing disease. But the nations will fight in the wrong way, lashing out at the effect rather than the cause. It will never win these wars until the nation, until society, changes its values and stops chasing the gods of sex and drugs.
(03:25:34) (Raleigh) origin spider monkey they think
(03:25:49) (diane) bottom line here, protect the innocent
(03:26:16) (WalksInSpirit) It is then, in the years of the first sign, that man can change the course of the probable future. It is then that he may understand the greater lessons of the famine and the disease. It is then that there can still be hope. But once the second sign of destruction appears, the Earth can no longer be healed on a physical level.
(03:26:38) (WalksInSpirit) Only a spiritual healing can then change the course of the probable futures of mankind."
(03:26:53) (WalksInSpirit) With that, the warrior spirit let Grandfather fall into a deep and dreamless sleep, allowing him to rest fully before any more Vision was wrought upon him.
(03:27:14) (Raleigh) we are at war / not phyical / war as with principalities of darkness
(03:27:22) (WalksInSpirit) Grandfather awoke at the entrance of the cave once again, the memory of the warrior spirit still vivid in his mind, the spirit's words becoming part of his soul.
(03:27:23) (Raleigh) btw
(03:27:50) (diane) most humans i know are at war with themselves
(03:27:50) (WalksInSpirit) When Grandfather looked out across the landscape, all had changed. The landscape appeared drier; there was no vegetation to be seen, and animals lay dying. A great stench of death arose from the land, and the dust was thick and choking, the intense heat oppressive.
(03:27:53) (ky-mike) aho .... o spirit
(03:28:33) (WalksInSpirit) Looking skyward, the Sun seemed to be larger and more intense; no birds or clouds could be seen, and the air seemed thicker still. It was then that the sky seemed to surge and huge holes began to appear. The holes tore with a resounding, thunderous sound, and the very Earth, rocks and soil shook.
(03:28:43) (Raleigh) are we still at 2 walks?
(03:29:02) (WalksInSpirit) This is the Second Sign
(03:29:09) (Raleigh) opk ty w
(03:29:23) (Raleigh) yes at the pole
(03:29:26) (WalksInSpirit) The skin of the sky seemed to be torn open like a series of gaping wounds, and through these wounds seeped a liquid that seemed like the oozing of an infection, a great sea of floating garbage, oil and dead fish. It was through one of these wounds that Grandfather saw the floating bodies of dolphins, accompanied by tremendous upheavals of the Earth and violent storms
(03:29:58) (Raleigh) geee
(03:30:06) (WalksInSpirit) As he held fast to the trembling Earth, his eyes fell from the sky, and all about him, all at once, was disaster. Piles of garbage reached to the skies, forests lay cut and dying, coastlines were flooded and storms grew more violent and thunderous. With each passing moment, the Earth shook with greater intensity, threatening to tear apart and swallow Grandfather.
(02:41:20) (ky-mike) k .. watever wis
(02:41:26) (Ral) oh now mike
(02:41:34) (Ral) :)
(02:41:38) (WalksInSpirit) Night of the Red Sky
(02:41:38) (WalksInSpirit) The Prophetic Vision of 'Grandfather'
(02:41:38) (WalksInSpirit) In the 1920s, an Apache wise man had a Vision of four prophecies that foretold death and destruction for mankind, unless we incorporate Spirit in our daily lives.
(02:41:38) (WalksInSpirit) Two of these prophecies may already have come true.
(02:42:16) (ky-mike) an he was ... shamen ... very wise an a heler
(02:42:40) (WalksInSpirit) by Tom Brown, Jr 1991
(02:42:40) (WalksInSpirit) A number of people can predict the future, but few get the timing correct. "Grandfather" was an Apache wise man and scout, named Stalking Wolf, who grew up outside white man's influence. His many predictions not only came true in the manner he predicted, but also when he predicted.
(02:43:53) (WalksInSpirit) Tom Brown, Jr learned extensively from Grandfather for twenty years, from their first meeting when Tom was seven years old. Stalking Wolf was the real-life grandfather of Tom's best friend at the time. The following excerpt from Tom's book, The Quest, tells of Grandfather's predictions for all of mankind.
(02:43:58) (ky-mike) he was in tune with the spirit world... an knew the sacred silence
(02:45:08) (Ral) why is t
(02:45:18) (Ral) ok w
(02:45:22) (WalksInSpirit) Looking back, I can clearly see that Grandfather's prophecies, unlike anything else, had the greatest influence on my life. At the time they had little more effect than to frighten me and cause me to sit up and take notice. It wasn't until after his prophecies began to come true that their haunting impact began to affect me in a very profound way.
(02:45:24) (ky-mike) an the spirit that moves in all thing !
(02:46:12) (WalksInSpirit) More than any other person-prophet, religious leader or psychic-I have ever met, Grandfather's prophecies, on both a major and a minor scale, came true exactly at the time he prophesied and exactly as he prophesied. With that record, I could not help but feel the impact of these prophecies on my life.
(02:46:47) (ky-mike) he was picked by stalkingwolf ... to carry on ...with his teachings
(02:46:57) (Ral) k
(02:47:17) (WalksInSpirit) Grandfather could foretell the future with tremendous accuracy. Not only could he precisely tell us what would happen in the next moment, day, week or year, but with the same accuracy he could predict the possible futures for ten years and more away. It was not long before I began to keep detailed records of his predictions, along with other notes I kept on survival skills, tracking, awareness and things of the Spirit.
(02:47:57) (Ral) send me a link to these walks please
(02:48:11) (WalksInSpirit) To what, Ral?
(02:48:14) (ky-mike) an he fortold , toms future an wat he would do .. thru his life
(02:48:38) (WalksInSpirit) I received from Grandfather hundreds of personal, minor predictions, and well over half have since come true. Along with the minor personal prophecies was a list of 103 major predictions, of which, to date, over 65 have become absolutely true, not only in time and place but also in the exact order in which they were predicted to happen.
(02:49:02) (WalksInSpirit) Grandfather said that there was not future, only possible futures. The 'now' was like the palm of a hand, with each finger being the possible future, and, as always, one of the futures was always the most powerful, the way that the main course of events would surely take us. Thus his predictions were of the possible future, which meant that he always left a choice.
(02:50:05) (ky-mike) stalkingwolf was ... much like cayce ...
(02:50:38) (WalksInSpirit) "If a man could make the right choices," he said, "then he could significantly alter the course of the possible future. No man, then, should feel insignificant, for it only takes one man to alter the consciousness of mankind through the Spirit-that-moves-in-all-things.
(02:51:27) (WalksInSpirit) In essence, one thought influences another, then another, until the thought is made manifest throughout all of Creation. It is the same thought, the same force, that causes an entire flock of birds to change course, as the flock then has one mind."
(02:51:35) (Ral) yes as scripure sayz the prayer of 1 sincere
(02:52:15) (ky-mike) to b in sink...... as 1
(02:52:25) (WalksInSpirit) Out of all the personal and major prophecies that Grandfather foretold, there are four that stand out above all the rest. It is these four that mark the destruction of man and life on Earth, as we know it to exist now. Yet Grandfather said that we could still change things, even after the first two prophecies came true, but that there could be no turning back after the third.
(02:53:14) (Ral) yes however all things are possible with god walks
(02:53:25) (ky-mike) an the 4th , is the bleeding stars... or red sky
(02:53:27) (Ral) so turning back is possible
(02:53:45) (Ral) k
(02:53:50) (WalksInSpirit) Now that we have gone well past the second prophecy, danger and destruction are very apparent, and our only recourse is to work harder to change what has possibly become the inevitable. The urgency that I feel-now, more than ever-is a direct result of the second, impossible prophecy coming true. It is the reason that I teach, sometimes with a certain desperation, and constantly with the sense that we are quickly running out of time.
(02:54:52) (Ral) walks
(02:55:02) (Ral) the sun can be stopped ok
(02:55:21) (Ral) soory / continue
(02:55:50) (Q) could you tell us of 65 prophecies that came to pass if you have them?
(02:56:06) (WalksInSpirit) Ok, but remember... the last time we had this discussion about what the Bible says in Revelation, you were on the other side of the discussion, saying you could not stop what God has decreed to happen.
(02:56:13) (Ral) well he is to give 4 now q
(02:56:29) (Ral) ok w
(02:56:52) (Ral) oh yes ok yes
(02:57:02) (WalksInSpirit) Okie Dokie, Q. We're working to them. :-)
(02:57:09) (Ral) k
(02:57:11) (WalksInSpirit) I should have worked harder and with that same desperation at a much earlier date, but, like the rest of mankind, it took a strong message to get me motivated. I should have known that these things he prophesied would some day come true, because his personal, minor predictions were coming true daily.
(02:57:24) (ky-mike) an tom brown site is.... www.trackerschool.com
(02:57:32) (Q) k . Ral. tnx.
(02:57:43) (WalksInSpirit) He so accurately foretold of Rick's death on a white horse, that I would some day teach, that I would have a son-and that taking him into the Pine Barrens for the first time would forever change my life. He predicted the formation of my school, my books, my family, and even the horrible mistakes I would make as I tried to live within society.
(02:59:15) (WalksInSpirit) This is pretty long, so what we'll do is skip on to the 4 signs, if that's ok. Then, come back if yall want to.
(02:59:25) (Ral) k
(02:59:35) (Q) sure.
(02:59:37) (ky-mike) yes
(02:59:43) (WalksInSpirit) "I had a Vision," Grandfather said. "It was a Vision of the destruction of man. But man was given four warnings to that destruction, two of which gave man a chance to change his ways and two of which would give the children of the Earth time to escape the Creator's wrath."
(02:59:43) (WalksInSpirit) "How will I know these warnings, these signs?" I asked.
(03:00:08) (WalksInSpirit) Grandfather continued. "They will be obvious to you and those who have learned to listen to the Spirit of the Earth; but to those who live within the flesh and know only flesh, there is no knowing or understanding. When these signs, these warnings and prophecies, are made manifest, then you will understand the urgency of what I speak. Then you will understand why people must not just work for their own spiritual rapture but to bring that rapture to the consciousness of modern man."
(03:00:11) (ky-mike) as cayce said to !
(03:00:53) (WalksInSpirit) to the consciousness of modern man."
(03:00:57) (ky-mike) it is up to us !
(03:01:10) (Ral) rapture as thought of in scripture is incorrect
(03:01:23) (WalksInSpirit) The Four Signs
(03:01:23) (WalksInSpirit) Grandfather had been wandering for several years and was well into his forties when the Vision of the four signs was given to him. He had just finished his third Vision Quest at the Eternal Cave when the Vision made itself known. He had been seated at the mouth of the cave, awaiting the rising Sun, when the spirit of the warrior appeared to him.
(03:01:54) (WalksInSpirit) He felt as if he were in a state somewhere between dream and reality, sleep and wakefulness, until the spirit finally spoke and he knew that it was not his imagination. The spirit called Grandfather's name and beckoned him to follow.
(03:02:12) (WalksInSpirit) As Grandfather stood, he was suddenly transported to another world. Again, he thought that he was dreaming, but his flesh could feel the reality of this place; his senses knew that this was a state of abject reality, but in another time and place.
(03:02:53) (WalksInSpirit) The spirit warrior spoke to Grandfather. "These are the things yet to come that will mark the destruction of man. These things you may never see, but you must work to stop them and pass these warnings on to your grandchildren. They are the possible futures of what will come if man does not come back to the Earth and begin to obey the laws of Creation and the Creator.
(03:03:03) (Ral) define abject
(03:03:19) (WalksInSpirit) Just a sec, Ral
(03:03:25) (ky-mike) to b in tune
(03:03:32) (Ral) ty mike
(03:04:10) (diane) abject?
(03:04:32) (WalksInSpirit) [adj] most unfortunate or miserable; "the most abject slaves joined in the revolt"; "abject poverty"
(03:04:35) (diane) the lowest of the low..n
(03:04:46) (Ral) k ty
(03:05:09) (WalksInSpirit) The spirit warrior spoke to Grandfather. "These are the things yet to come that will mark the destruction of man. These things you may never see, but you must work to stop them and pass these warnings on to your grandchildren. They are the possible futures of what will come if man does not come back to the Earth and begin to obey the laws of Creation and the Creator.
(03:05:34) (WalksInSpirit) There are four signs, four warnings, that only the children of the Earth will understand. Each warning marks the beginning of a possible future, and as each warning becomes reality, so too does the future it marks."
(03:06:01) (WalksInSpirit) With that, the spirit warrior was gone and Grandfather was left alone in this strange, new world.
(03:06:19) (Q) abject.... low in spirit or hope ..webs/dict. . Ral.
(03:06:24) (Ral) what r the 4
(03:06:25) (Ral) ?
(03:06:28) (WalksInSpirit) The First Sign
(03:06:28) (WalksInSpirit) The world he was in was like nothing he had ever known. It was a dry place with little vegetation. In the distance he saw a village, yet it was made out of tents and cloth rather than from the materials of the Earth. As he drew closer to the village, the stench of death overwhelmed him and he grew sick. He could hear children crying, the moaning of elders and the sounds of sickness and despair.
(03:07:07) (Ral) god w
(03:07:23) (WalksInSpirit) Piles of bodies lay in open pits awaiting burial, their contorted faces and frail frames telling of death from starvation. The bodies appeared more like skeletons than flesh, and children, adults and elders all looked the same, their once dark-brown complexions now ash-grey. As Grandfather entered the village, the horror of living starvation struck him deeper.
(03:07:46) (ky-mike) starving in africa
(03:07:49) (Ral) well this is today in 3rd world
(03:07:54) (WalksInSpirit) Children could barely walk, elders lay dying, and everywhere were the cries of pain and fear. The stench of death and the sense of hopelessness overwhelmed Grandfather, threatening to drive him from the village.
(03:08:01) (ky-mike) an remember he fortold this decades in advance
(03:08:14) (Blu) I agree, we see this in the world we know today
(03:08:50) (WalksInSpirit) It was then that an elder appeared to Grandfather, at first speaking in a language that he could not understand. Grandfather realised, as the elder spoke, that he was the spirit of a man-a man no longer of flesh, but a man who had once walked a spiritual path, possibly a shaman of this tribe. It was then that he understood what the old one was trying to tell him.
(03:09:27) (WalksInSpirit) The elder spoke softly. "Welcome to what will be called the 'land of starvation'. The world will one day look upon all of this with horror and will blame the famine on the weather and the Earth. This will be the first warning to the world that man cannot live beyond the laws of Creation, nor can he fight Nature. If the world sees that it is to blame for this famine, this senseless starvation, then a great lesson will be learned.
(03:10:22) (WalksInSpirit) But I am afraid that the world will not blame itself, but that the blame will be placed on Nature. The world will not see that it created this place of death by forcing these people to have larger families. When the natural laws of the land were broken, the people starved, as Nature starves the deer in winter when their numbers are too many for the land to bear."
(03:10:53) (Ral) i know how to flood africa / easily
(03:11:04) (diane) take a look at the leaders of the countries in which these atrocities take place. Nature's dangerous enough, but man's inhumanity to man is what slays me
(03:11:29) (WalksInSpirit) Very true, Diane
(03:12:02) (diane) It's we who are at fault
(03:12:05) (ky-mike) mans greed will distroy us !
(03:12:13) (WalksInSpirit) The old one continued. "These people should have been left alone. They once understood how to live with the Earth, and their wealth was measured in happiness, love and peace. But all of that was taken from them when the world saw theirs as a primitive society.
(03:12:18) (diane) Absolutely, mike
(03:12:23) (Eileen) han, just make us richer, ky-mike
(03:12:25) (WalksInSpirit) Right on, Mike!
(03:12:26) (Eileen) nah
(03:12:27) (Ral) well no kinda
(03:12:52) (Ral) its the pile of baby cherub poop lucifer
(03:12:58) (WalksInSpirit) It was then that the world showed them how to farm and live in a less primitive way. It was the world that forced them to live outside the laws of Creation and, as a result, is now forcing them to die."
(03:13:01) (Ral) :)
(03:13:12) (diane) lucifer in human form
(03:13:29) (Ral) yes di
(03:13:43) (Ral) kinda
(03:14:03) (diane) love thy brother, even if he's satan
(03:14:38) (Eileen) wonder what it would do to satan if we showed love to him
(03:14:39) (WalksInSpirit) Over the last couple of days, I have come to a realization... there's no need for man to look to an outside power as the author of evil. Because man is plenty capable of it himself.
(03:14:50) (Ral) SATAN IS CONDEMNED ALREADY
(03:15:02) (diane) wow, Eileen, what a thougt
(03:15:09) (diane) thought
(03:15:23) (Tlv) very tru WIS
(03:15:29) (Eileen) and are we to show love to those who are evil, as well?
(03:15:31) (Q) he will know that he has tricked the elect.
(03:15:38) (diane) there you go walks, you said it!
(03:15:56) (Ral) oh god
(03:16:02) (Ral) love satan?
(03:16:06) (Eileen) if we show him love, Q?
(03:16:07) (Ral) geeeeezus
(03:16:19) (Q) Jesus didn't like him.. why should I.
(03:16:32) (Ral) say that again el?
(03:16:36) (Ral) love evil
(03:16:45) (diane) How would we know...it just said "Love thy neighbor as..." How do you know?
(03:16:45) (Eileen) love thy enemies, I think He said, but does that mean all of them, including satan?
(03:16:47) (Ral) you go ahead / not me dear
(03:17:38) (Whiteraven) well he didnt say excluding satan did he Diane ?
(03:17:39) (Q) It is written.. to bow no knee to satan.. satan wanted jesus to worship him.. he don't want his love...
(03:17:50) (Eileen) just wondering, diane, what exactly are we to do in these situations
(03:17:54) (diane) No raven, that's what gets me
(03:18:09) (WalksInSpirit) The old man slowly began to walk away, back to the death and despair. He turned one last time to Grandfather, and said: "This will be the first sign. There will come starvation before and after this starvation, but none will capture the attention of the world with such impact as does this one.
(03:18:12) (ky-mike) yes
(03:18:18) (Ral) ty w
(03:18:52) (diane) good question, Eileen
(03:19:06) (diane) because "Judge not...etc"
(03:19:10) (Ral) bad idea el
(03:19:55) (Eileen) is the story speaking of the present time Walks?
(03:20:35) (Q) satan is already judged.. don't let him become a stumbling block to your salvation.
(03:20:54) (Blu) These are 4 possible futures Eileen
(03:21:02) (Blu) this is just one of them
(03:21:14) (Eileen) oh, ok, Walks, know I am coming in on the tale end of this
(03:21:28) (Eileen) thanks, Ms. Blu
(03:21:34) (Blu) This is still the first one of the 4
(03:21:41) (Blu) YW
(03:21:50) (Eileen) oh, good, will get to hear the other three then
(03:22:03) (WalksInSpirit) The children of the Earth will know the lessons that are held in all of this pain and death, but the world will only see it as drought and famine, blaming Nature instead of itself."
(03:22:26) (WalksInSpirit) With that, the old one disappeared, and Grandfather found himself back at the mouth of the Eternal Cave.
(03:22:26) (WalksInSpirit) [Author's note: This is the great African famine that inspired the Bob Geldof "We are the World" Live Aid relief effort.]
(03:22:52) (Eileen) WOW
(03:23:13) (WalksInSpirit) In a state of physical and emotional exhaustion, Grandfather fell into a deep sleep, but it was in this sleep that the warrior spirit appeared to him again and brought the remainder of the first sign to completion.
(03:23:35) (ky-mike) an we r the world ... an we can make a better place !
(03:23:46) (WalksInSpirit) In his dream, the spirit spoke to Grandfather. "It is during the years of the famine, the first sign, that man will be plagued by a disease, a disease that will sweep the land and terrorise the masses. The white coats [doctors/scientists] will have no answers for the people, and a great cry will arise across the land.
(03:23:50) (Blu) Amen Mike
(03:24:23) (WalksInSpirit) The disease will be born of monkeys, drugs and sex. It will destroy man from inside, making common sickness a killing disease. Mankind will bring this disease upon himself as a result of his life, his worship of sex and drugs, and a life away from Nature.
(03:24:47) (WalksInSpirit) This, too, is a part of the first warning; but, again, man will not heed this warning and he will continue to worship the false gods of sex and the unconscious spirit of drugs." [Author's note: This is presumably a reference to AIDS.]
(03:24:48) (ky-mike) hes talking aids...... people !
(03:24:52) (Eileen) sounds like AIDS to me
(03:24:53) (Raleigh) as aids
(03:25:05) (diane) and it kills the innocent as well
(03:25:12) (Raleigh) yes di
(03:25:32) (WalksInSpirit) The spirit continued. "The drugs will produce wars in the cities of man, and the nations will arise against those wars, arise against that killing disease. But the nations will fight in the wrong way, lashing out at the effect rather than the cause. It will never win these wars until the nation, until society, changes its values and stops chasing the gods of sex and drugs.
(03:25:34) (Raleigh) origin spider monkey they think
(03:25:49) (diane) bottom line here, protect the innocent
(03:26:16) (WalksInSpirit) It is then, in the years of the first sign, that man can change the course of the probable future. It is then that he may understand the greater lessons of the famine and the disease. It is then that there can still be hope. But once the second sign of destruction appears, the Earth can no longer be healed on a physical level.
(03:26:38) (WalksInSpirit) Only a spiritual healing can then change the course of the probable futures of mankind."
(03:26:53) (WalksInSpirit) With that, the warrior spirit let Grandfather fall into a deep and dreamless sleep, allowing him to rest fully before any more Vision was wrought upon him.
(03:27:14) (Raleigh) we are at war / not phyical / war as with principalities of darkness
(03:27:22) (WalksInSpirit) Grandfather awoke at the entrance of the cave once again, the memory of the warrior spirit still vivid in his mind, the spirit's words becoming part of his soul.
(03:27:23) (Raleigh) btw
(03:27:50) (diane) most humans i know are at war with themselves
(03:27:50) (WalksInSpirit) When Grandfather looked out across the landscape, all had changed. The landscape appeared drier; there was no vegetation to be seen, and animals lay dying. A great stench of death arose from the land, and the dust was thick and choking, the intense heat oppressive.
(03:27:53) (ky-mike) aho .... o spirit
(03:28:33) (WalksInSpirit) Looking skyward, the Sun seemed to be larger and more intense; no birds or clouds could be seen, and the air seemed thicker still. It was then that the sky seemed to surge and huge holes began to appear. The holes tore with a resounding, thunderous sound, and the very Earth, rocks and soil shook.
(03:28:43) (Raleigh) are we still at 2 walks?
(03:29:02) (WalksInSpirit) This is the Second Sign
(03:29:09) (Raleigh) opk ty w
(03:29:23) (Raleigh) yes at the pole
(03:29:26) (WalksInSpirit) The skin of the sky seemed to be torn open like a series of gaping wounds, and through these wounds seeped a liquid that seemed like the oozing of an infection, a great sea of floating garbage, oil and dead fish. It was through one of these wounds that Grandfather saw the floating bodies of dolphins, accompanied by tremendous upheavals of the Earth and violent storms
(03:29:58) (Raleigh) geee
(03:30:06) (WalksInSpirit) As he held fast to the trembling Earth, his eyes fell from the sky, and all about him, all at once, was disaster. Piles of garbage reached to the skies, forests lay cut and dying, coastlines were flooded and storms grew more violent and thunderous. With each passing moment, the Earth shook with greater intensity, threatening to tear apart and swallow Grandfather.
