Post by WalksInSpirit on Aug 18, 2005 16:34:41 GMT -5
Thursday Afternoon Chat: 08-18-05
"Selected Points From the Nag Hammadi Library"
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Ok, let's open with a prayer
diane says: ok
Blu-Host says: Heavenly Father/Mother, we ask for your guidance in understanding your Word and create in us the understanding. We ask that you allow us to be channels of Blessing to all we meet. Thank you for your Love and Guidance. Amen
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Nunwe
diane says: amen
ron says: amen
diane says: may i add a quick prayer?
Host-WalksInSpirit says: You sure can, Diane
diane says: God who has created us in thine image and bade us to seek after all that is good, true and beautiful, especially in the divine person of Thy only-begotten Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ, grant we beseech Thee that through the intercession of Saint Isidore, bishop and doctor, during our journeys through the Internet we will direct our hands and eyes only to that which is pleasing to Thee and treat with charity and patience all those souls whom we encounter. Father , we ask you this through Christ our Lord, Amen
Blu-Host says: Amen
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Nunwe
Host-WalksInSpirit says: That was beautiful!
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Thank you, Diane!
diane says: I emailed it to Blu!
Blu-Host says: Thank you!
ron says: amen
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Good! thanks! I will send it to my cousin Barb!
diane says: St Isodore is the new patron st. of the internet
Blu-Host says: Wow! We need one!
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Cool!
diane says: LOL, we sure do
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Today, we thought we'd talk about some of the points we've discovered in the Nag Hammadi Library.
merri says: sounds interesting
Host-WalksInSpirit says: This first one has had us really doin a lot of thinking and wondering about Adam & Eve and the Garden of Eden.... and that snake
Host-WalksInSpirit says: “After Eve was deceived and had eaten the fruit of the tree, it was of the devil that she bore Cain.”
Host-WalksInSpirit says: That was from the Nag Hammadi
Blu-Host says: We also checked the Torah and it said pretty much the same thing.
Blu-Host says: The Torah On Adam & Eve
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Now, if you'll go back to the old Garden of Eden story, Cain was indeed born first.
diane says: could be it meant something different, like, maybe because of original sin, she labored and had pain
diane says: in pain ye shall bring forth children
Host-WalksInSpirit says: I also remembered where God told Adam & Eve "Be *fruitful* and multiply."
ron says: so, are we saying that Eve was without fault?
diane says: No
Host-WalksInSpirit says: The key here, as it has always been, I think, is the word fruit. And it's implication.
merri says: are you taking this as a literal interpretation?
diane says: it was"of the devil that she bore Cain" It was the devil's work?
ron says: i see that Cain was a reflection of Eve's weakness
ron says: hi roz
Roz says: diane so glad this is workin g for you
Host-WalksInSpirit says: We were just discussing the first point of interest in the Nag Hammadi for today.
Host-WalksInSpirit says: “After Eve was deceived and had eaten the fruit of the tree, it was of the devil that she bore Cain.”
Roz says: alrightey would ya repost it please for me
diane says: I think it's saying that since Eve and adam, for that matter, were now officially "sinners", it meant Cain was conceived in sin
diane says: Hi JB
JohnB says: hi diane how is life today?
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Lemme repost again for JohnB & Roz the first point of interest from the Nag Hammadi...
Roz says: Hey John saw your buddy yesterday Dr. Brooksby
Host-WalksInSpirit says: “After Eve was deceived and had eaten the fruit of the tree, it was of the devil that she bore Cain.”
diane says: Much better JB, thanks to your words of wisdom
Roz says: he concurs about the liver and the right side of the body, knees, hips ect
diane says: A good lookin' dude, that doc B., Roz
Roz says: I disagreee w/ that WIS
Host-WalksInSpirit says: I took it as meaning Eve cheated on Adam with the devil, and Cain was the offspring of that affair. Quite literal.
JohnB says: okey my cranial work is better thanks to my selfhealing process but i need some cleaning of my mind okey, how is your head today? Roz
Roz says: yah and a darlin man
Roz says: much better and also my altitude LOL
Host-WalksInSpirit says: How else was the devil to gain a foothold in the new world, except through man?
Roz says: thur mans selfishness
Roz says: thru
JohnB says: cain was in the plan iguess because he is the first jealous man and the snake/seprent
Roz says: since I dont think there is any such thng as a devil
diane says: I think it's saying that since Eve and adam, for that matter, were now officially "sinners", it meant Cain was conceived in sin the first to be a sinner, Caine
Roz says: gonna be cantankerous today ???lol
diane says: oooo, i am Scared, Roz. lol
Host-WalksInSpirit says: He did grow up to slay his brother...
diane says: yup
Roz says: sinc egod created all that ther is he created darkness as well as light and we can embrace darkness if we chose
JohnB says: tincan oruos lol roz
ron says: a reflection of Eve's disobediance
Roz says: yah John
Roz says: or embrace th e Light
diane says: Satan, the fallen angel, refused to follow God's command to help mankind, S. refused to be a servant of man
JohnB says: man was in on it too so no hiddening place
JohnB says: but the ligth attract the shadow Roz
JohnB says: or the follower of the shadow
Blu-Host says: REPORT OF READING 262-130
Roz says: no the darkness can not over come it
Roz says: Satan wanted to play God
diane says: Yes, and refused to take a lower position than man
Host-WalksInSpirit says: He too, was encased in matter, but perfect; for
Host-WalksInSpirit says: God Himself over saw the making of Adam, who was the first
Host-WalksInSpirit says: begotten of the Father. Adam likewise fell. He, too, was of
Host-WalksInSpirit says: the earth, earthy. On and on the sons of God looked upon the
JohnB says: how to overcome that love is stolen during sleep ? then Roz
Host-WalksInSpirit says: daughters of man and lusted, until the first Adam learned
Host-WalksInSpirit says: through experiences what it meant to disobey. "Though He
Host-WalksInSpirit says: were a Son, yet learned He obedience by the things which He
Host-WalksInSpirit says: suffered." (Heb. 5:8)
Roz says: no John by the will
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Since we've come to the Light/darkness & Good/evil topic, the Nag Hammadi addresses that as well...
Blu-Host says: So we have here a case for Eve being the daughter of man, being lusted after by the Sons of God who were already on the earth plane
Roz says: where is that Blu?
diane says: right
Host-WalksInSpirit says: TEXT OF READING 364-4
Host-WalksInSpirit says: we find these as the Sons of the Creative Force as manifest in their experience looking upon those changed forms, or the daughters of men, and there crept in those pollutions, of polluting themselves with those mixtures that brought contempt, hatred, bloodshed, and those that build for desires of self WITHOUT respects of OTHERS' freedom, others' wishes - and there began, then, in the latter portion of this period of development, that that brought about those of dissenting an
Blu-Host says: the first one was REPORT OF READING 262-130
Host-WalksInSpirit says: and divisions among the peoples in the lands.
Roz says: but this is not in Genesis where Adam and Eve came in to consciousness
JohnB says: the observers of earth was the sons of god Blu
vjh says: don't know what happened before.
Host-WalksInSpirit says: WB VJ!
Blu-Host says: Actually Roz, if you look at the original transcripts of the text that Genesis is taken from we believe it is. but it has not been translated into our Bible
Blu-Host says: If you compare the Torah, it is there
vjh says: Hi. Was on here before but got distracted from company going through my house and then when I looked back I was off this chat room.
Roz says: the orginal Aramaic transcript does not have this
Host-WalksInSpirit says: • “…But many others, who oppose the truth and are messengers of error, will set up their error and their law against these pure thoughts of mine, as looking out from one (perspective), thinking that good and evil are from the same one (source).
Host-WalksInSpirit says: That was Point #2 from the Nag Hammadi
diane says: WIS regarding .."pure thoughts of mine"" Of whose?
diane says: or: Whom is speaking, here?
Host-WalksInSpirit says: That is from the "Apocolypse Of Peter" and it's Jesus speaking to Peter and James, 550 days after His ressurection.
diane says: Wow
diane says: But it never made it to the Bible, per se?
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Nope. These transcripts were not discovered until 1945.
Roz says: perhaps for good reason
JohnB says: how about the transcripts of mary of magdala? Wis
ron says: not without rreason, it seems to me...not to be included other than just their discovery
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Yes, that book is in the Nag Hammadi Library, JohnB
Blu-Host says: Those are in the "Lost Books of the Bible" John B
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Now, to Point #3...
Host-WalksInSpirit says: • “The world is an illusion!” – The Treatise On The Ressurection
ron says: Gnostic Teachings...very symbolic
Host-WalksInSpirit says: There is it, folks! a so-called "New Age" teaching in ancient manuscript!
diane says: New Age can be confusing , at times
Host-WalksInSpirit says: These writings have a very metaphysical"ness" to them.
ron says: with Eastern teaching "illusion" defined means fleeting, temporal, momentary...but one is to focus on the underlying reality, which is eternal and permanent
ron says: it is called "Maya"
Blu-Host says: Yes, and as we all know the Cayce redings say there were 5 Adams, and yet the Bible only refers to one.
Host-WalksInSpirit says: They are saying what the Metaphysical Visionaries of our time have been trying to say in conferences, decades of readings, videotape collections, books, etc.
JohnB says: there is 6 adams the last one is waiting to be reborn again as in atlantis
JohnB says: so in 30-50 yrs this knowledge will common knowledge
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Point #4...
Host-WalksInSpirit says: • “Therefore, do not think in part, nor live in conformity with this flesh for the sake of unanimity, but flee from the divisions and the fetters, and already you have the resurrection.
ron says: but mainstream humanity wasn't prepared or developed enogh to receive such esoteric teaching...but after 2000 years there is the development..
JohnB says: iam thankful for this chat
Host-WalksInSpirit says: . For if he who will die knows about himself that he will die – even if he spends many years in this life, he is brought to this – why not consider yourself as risen and (already) brought to this?
Host-WalksInSpirit says: I agree with you, Ron. I think when the time was right, these teachings appeared.
Host-WalksInSpirit says: "When the student is ready, the teacher appears."
JohnB says: right Wis
Blu-Host says: Wait till the uncover the records under the Sphinx!
ron says: so, i can't criticize...things are the way they are because it is part of the divine plan
Blu-Host says: Minds will blow
merri says: when do they believe this was written?
Host-WalksInSpirit says: That point above... We are already resurrected! All we have to do is BELIEVE it! Again, the principle of thoughts as things.
ron says: based upon the gradual devlopment, spiritual devleopment of humanity
Blu-Host says: true Ron
ron says: so, i can't, or should not criticize orthodox, organized religion
diane says: Hey, what do we know? This 'illusion' could all go ca-poot, and we all could go back to square one
Blu-Host says: LOL, right Ron, leave that to me!
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Roughly, a little over 2,000 yrs ago, Merri.
ron says: :)
JohnB says: row row your boat lifee is but a dream merrly merrly
diane says: what about God's words to the effect, regardless of how human knowledge evolves, that He is forever unchanging?
Blu-Host says: That is still true Diane
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Close to the same time as the New Testament books, and the Dead Sea Scrolls. They say this, due to the location of dicovery, manner of preservation (in clay jars), and because they have some of the same authors.
Blu-Host says: it is our understanding of what has always been true of God that Changes
ron says: we are the one's that are changing, i believe
JohnB says: crystal pussle big time
JohnB says: it ae
diane says: The laws are here to stay, they are in place forever & ever, All we need to know is already known to us. Just hard to get at
ron says: patience = awareness
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Point #5...
Host-WalksInSpirit says: • “Not only did the Son exist from the beginning, but the Church, too, existed from the beginning.”
Host-WalksInSpirit says: "The Church" = us.
diane says: the practices of orthodox religion, depending on the individual, are mostly mis-understood
diane says: But if you really study it, the Way can be found from that angle. Again, depending of the individual
diane says: *on*
Host-WalksInSpirit says: #5 was from "The Tripartite Tractile"
diane says: Well, it's certainly a growth experience, to ponder this new/old stuff
diane says: it's good to consider all this, WIS and Blu, thanks!
Blu-Host says: I have a link to the Genesis story in the Torah
Host-WalksInSpirit says: They speculate that the Valentinian teacher Heracelon was the author. He stuck to Origen's school of thought, where religion was concerned.
ron says: WIS and Blu, this has been a very helpful discussion
Blu-Host says: Certainly makes you stop and think!
Host-WalksInSpirit says: I have a list here of some of God's Names. Would yall like for me to post them?
ron says: yes
merri says: yes
Host-WalksInSpirit says: The Form of the Formless
celine says: Let me give personal love to everyone ((((((Blu-Host, diane, WIS, merri, ron & vjh))))))~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Host-WalksInSpirit says: The Body Of The Bodiless
Host-WalksInSpirit says: The Face Of The Invisible
ron says: thanks celine
Blu-Host says: LOL, thank you Celine!
merri says: thankyou celine
Host-WalksInSpirit says: The Word Of The Unutterable
Host-WalksInSpirit says: The Mind Of The Inconceivable
Host-WalksInSpirit says: The Fountain Which Flowed From Him
Host-WalksInSpirit says: The Root Of Those Who Are Planted
Host-WalksInSpirit says: The Light Of Those Whom He Illuminates
Host-WalksInSpirit says: The Providence Of Those For Whom He Providentially Cares
Host-WalksInSpirit says: The Wisdom Of Those Whom He Made Wise
Host-WalksInSpirit says: The Power Of Those To Whom He Gives Power
Host-WalksInSpirit says: The Revelation Of The Things Which Are Sought After
Host-WalksInSpirit says: The Eye Of Those Who See
Host-WalksInSpirit says: The Breath Of Those Who Breathe
Host-WalksInSpirit says: The Life Of Those Who Live
Host-WalksInSpirit says: These are from "The Tripartite Tractile"
Host-WalksInSpirit says: Beautiful, aren't they?
diane says: Awesome, wis!
