Wednesday Night Chat: 11-21-07

Wednesday Night Chat: 11-21-07 Nov 21, 2007 22:45:26 GMT -5

Post by WalksInSpirit on Nov 21, 2007 22:45:26 GMT -5

(09:36:13) (@rons) Those of you that were here I did Mercury...today, Venus...everyone's favorite...:)

(09:36:30) (merlin22) notuce that numerologically ISRAEL is 1

(09:37:07) (@rons) VENUS

(09:37:38) (@rons) Venus is the Earth's closest neighbor, not counting the Moon. McCaffery says it "manifests all the things of the world glorified under the radiance of the Sun. It betokens the principle of love on earth; of attraction, joy, gifts, and benefits." It signifies, at its best, harmony, sweetness, gentleness, and the spirit of refinement and good taste.

(09:38:19) (@rons) It encourages us to make our surroundings beautiful, and so governs the arts. In music it rules melody rather than harmony, which pertains more to the mental Mercury. It is the peacemaking planet. Books on astrology call Venus "the Lesser Benefic," the planet through which many fortunate and good things come to the individual.

(09:39:05) (@rons) Anyone know what planet is considered to be the, "Greater Benefic"?

(09:39:20) (maybellle) Earth??

(09:39:24) (@rons) lol

(09:39:30) (@rons) Not for me...

(09:39:50) (@rons) I'll give you guys 1000 guesses

(09:39:51) (merlin22) could it be uranus

(09:40:07) (@cris7) Saturn?

(09:40:08) (@walksinspirit) Venus!

(09:40:21) (merlin22) or jupiter

(09:40:38) (@rons) Uranus is known to bring the 'unexpected'...and, sometimes, such events can really be upsetting

(09:40:45) (@rons) Jupiter...yes

(09:41:07) (@walksinspirit) Oops, I'm wrong. Venus is the "Lesser Benefic." I should slow down when I read, huh? LOL

(09:42:30) (@rons) The protector of our solar system...a gift from God...wherever you find Jupiter in one's horoscope you will find gifts and good fortune...abundance and opportunity...all earned from past life good behavior

(09:43:17) (merlin22) hey ron, ....pluto was downgraded by some scientists ,to what wouild it be now

(09:43:42) (@rons) well, regarding one's bad behavior, look at Mr Meanie, Saturn...the grim reaper...like, 'what one sows...'

(09:43:52) (merlin22) a moon ?

(09:45:22) (merlin22) what would be the good aspects of saturn

(09:45:22) (@cris7) I don't know why but when I think of Saturn I always think of wars almost as though it were a battleground

(09:45:51) (@rons) it is still a planet! ...down grade to a dwarf "planet" ...besides, Pluto and Neptune are for highly advanced souls...so much of us common folks do not respond...but this is in Cayce's time...during his time they were discovered I believe...but we are advancing and humanity has become more sensitive to Pluto's and Neptunes vibrations

(09:48:16) (@rons) We have advanced into the Age of Aquarius...or in transition...our consciousness has widened...we are more aware now...major changes are taking place on a collective level....as well as, spiritual leaders are incarnating to continue the New Age preparation ...Cayce was the forerunner

(09:50:16) (@rons) A prophet has come and passeand many of the orthodox and mainstream did not see or hear what had taken place...isn't that way it always is? ...another ancient prophet missed again

(09:51:05) (@rons) but some of the fringe was caught into the mystery

(09:51:16) (@rons) I will move on...

(09:51:30) (@rons) It encourages us to make our surroundings beautiful, and so governs the arts. In music it rules melody rather than harmony, which pertains more to the mental Mercury. It is the peacemaking planet. Books on astrology call Venus "the Lesser Benefic," the planet through which many fortunate and good things come to the individual.

(09:52:03) (@rons) Sometimes I go astray and ramble on..

(09:52:09) (@rons) The readings agree with all these concepts of the role of Venus's influence upon the soul-self because of its sojourns in those vibrations.

(09:52:34) (@rons) The dominant planet - the one from which the soul took flight to come to Earth - will show forth its influence through other planets named as influential in the life reading, and fortunate indeed is the soul which arrived from Venus. Here are a few excerpts:

(09:53:03) (@rons) One of a tender, loving disposition; that may be ruled or reasoned with through love, obedience or duty; yet may not be driven...through sheer force or fear of corporal punishment.

(09:53:45) (@rons) In this influence also we will find that sympathy - or...being able under any circumstances to make for the alleviating of hardships, pains, or such conditions in the experience of others - will ever be appealing to the entity. 309-1

(09:54:09) (@rons) In the astrological aspects, we find that, through influences from sojourns in the Venus environs, the entity is a lover of beauty, especially of song...should be given training...[for] the awakening of the entity in those influences...for the use of the entity's voice in praise and in thanksgiving...

(09:54:39) (@rons) Hence all things that have to do with phases of man's ability to express in beautiful ways and manners will be of interest...whether pertaining to nature, to voice or song, or even to art subjects. 1990-3

(09:55:03) (@rons) In the following reading, a significant statement is made regarding beauty and the home, for a child who entered the earth plane through forces of Venus.

(09:55:23) (@rons) As Venus is the ruling influence in the experience, we find that the home will be, should be, the channel through which the greater abilities...may be made manifest.

(09:55:41) (@rons) Not that there are not abilities in music and art...But making an artistic home, making a home that is the expression of beauty in all its phases, is the greater career of ANY individual soul. This [the home] is the closer expression of that which has been manifested [by] man's advent into materiality. 2571-1

(09:56:09) (@rons) Here is an enlarged concept of the influences from Venus's for which are primarily love; but love, too, has its extremes.

(09:56:48) (@rons) In Venus the body-form is near to that [which is] in the three-dimensional plane. For it is what may be said to be rather ALL-inclusive! For it is what ye would call love - which, to be sure, may be licentious, selfish; which also may be so large, so inclusive as to take on the less of self and more of the ideal, more of that which is GIVING.

(09:57:39) (@rons) What is love? Then what is Venus? It is beauty, love, hope, charity - yet all of these have their extremes. But these extremes are not in the expressive nature or manner...found in that tone or attunement of Uranus [the planet of extremes); for they (in Venus) are more in the order that they blend one with another. 5755-1

(09:58:16) (@rons) According to the readings, the gland associated with the planet Venus is the thymus. Some physiologists and pathologists say that this gland has atrophied in the adult body, or at least has shrunk considerably. Could this be a commentary on our lives?

(09:58:49) (@rons) Mars is next...

(09:59:12) (@rons) MARS The next planet beyond the Earth is Mars, whose orbit encloses the Sun-Mercury-Venus-Earth group.

(10:00:48) (@rons) Mars is the first planet outside of earth...whereas Mercury and Venus are inside the earth's orbit..Thus Mars, is initiative. Stepping out on its own..wants to explore is full of initiative

(10:00:56) (@rons) my comment

(10:01:39) (@rons) Mars is said to be the planet of energy or sex. It rules creativeness, construction, invention, ceaseless activity, force, power, work, strife, war, and death. McCaffery says, "It declares the ceaseless, ever-new stream of energy which brings about new forms; hence it is said to rule the sex energies.

(10:02:12) (@rons) When the rays of Mars play upon the Moon, they single out the instinct of pugnacity, anger, and self-assertiveness. Mars can make these into very destructive forces, or it can exalt them into the noblest virtues - courage, strength of character, self-confidence, and power."

(10:02:37) (@rons) Further interpretations of Mars's attributes given in the textbooks are: rulership over adventure, sports activities, and businesses; the sense of taste; its stone, the bloodstone; its color, red; its day of the week, Tuesday.

(10:03:08) (@rons) With the majority of these attributes the Cayce readings agree, except that the readings emphasize the inwardness or psychological urge of planetary vibrations rather than outward events.

(10:03:34) (@rons) For some entities or souls, however, the vibrations of Mars are scarcely felt or easily subdued, because they have mastered the impulses to anger, selfishness, and aggression. Such souls may be said to have a "good Mars," as the astrologers would put it.

(10:04:01) (@rons) This writer, in examination of dozens of accurate birth charts, has not been able to find that such a good Mars has only good aspects (trine, sextile, etc.).

(10:04:23) (@rons) We would conclude that the good attributes of Mars in any present earth-plane existence result from the quick learning of the lessons for which the soul came to earth, lessons inherent in the Mars vibrations.

(10:04:43) (@rons) The following excerpts from the readings delineate the attributes cited above:

(10:04:59) (@rons) Astrologically we find Mars, Mercury, Venus, and Jupiter - and note their importance. [Their order - entity entered from Mars.] Anger may upset the body and cause a great deal of disturbance, to others as well as self.

(10:05:32) (@rons) Here is a very important quote...

(10:05:39) (@rons) Be angry, BUT SIN NOT. You will learn it only in patience and self-possession. 3621-1

(10:06:03) (@rons) Astrologically, we find quite a few variations in the entity's experiences. Besides Mercury, we find Neptune, Saturn, and Mars always stepping in. Hence it has appeared to the entity at times that many of the associates...can get mad easier than anybody.

(10:06:35) (@rons) Yet the entity may be mad and sin not. Righteous anger is a virtue. He that has no temper is very weak, but he that controls not his temper is much worse. This ye experience...at times. This is active patience. Don't think it, much less do it. For as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. 3416-1

(10:07:02) (@rons) hmmm...'active patience'

(10:07:39) (@rons) For the inclinations from the Martian influences are for anger to arise easily in the experiences when the entity is fraught [frustrated] in its activities, in the associations, or its determinations. And it usually has its way, unless there is reason and love and care and precaution shown by those who direct the developing or formative periods. 1434-1

(10:08:11) (@rons) Lest we forget that the planetary urges - strong as they may be - cannot and should not rule the life, consider this reading for a three-year-old-child. Warnings are given to the parents at the very beginning that the child not be allowed to play with fireworks and firearms, "For, Mars is adverse to Jupiter in the experience..."

(10:08:52) (@rons) :) explosive nature

(10:09:05) (@rons) Astrological aspects may or may not become a part of the experience physically for the entity. For these are merely urges, and the will - that which designates God's creation of man from the rest of the animal world - rules, as to what an individual soul does with opportunities, in relationship with his fellow man.

(10:09:37) (@rons) In Mars we find this activity. The entity will never be called lazy. May be called stubborn at times, but this, too, may be directed - not by undue punishment but by reasoning with an appealing to the entity...Not that there should be a prize for goodness, but remember that virtue has its own reward, even for those attempting to direct and train children. 340-1

(10:10:19) (@rons) In the readings, the gland associated with Mars is the adrenal.

(10:10:35) (@rons) next is Jupiter...

(10:11:27) (@rons) JUPITER The planet next farther out from Mars, or the third, counting Earth as number one, is Jupiter.

(10:12:31) (@rons) that is 3...the number of perfection...how does one achieve this perfection?...by pointing ones arrow to the stars of philosohy, religion and higher learning

(10:12:55) (@rons) Jupiter is ruler of Sagittarius

(10:13:25) (@rons) Jupiter is called "the Greater Benefic" in astrology textbooks, and to it are attributed good fortune, wealth, social position, happiness, etc. An astrology magazine names Jupiter as patron of expansion, gain, and optimism; controlling the liver, hips, thighs, sense of smell; its colors, green and purple; its metal, tin; and its gem, the turquoise.

(10:14:20) (@rons) McCaffery comes closest to the readings' description of Jupiter when she says, "The emotions can become beautiful under Jupiter, but they are always expanded in scope.

(10:14:44) (@rons) The Moon and Venus may express tenderness to one, but Jupiter may express benevolence, kindness, and generosity to everyone...Jupiter seeks the cause and basis of actions...Because the planet inquires into motives and purposes, it is essentially the planet of the judge and the lawmaker.

(10:15:11) (@rons) Under its rays, the moral qualities within us begin to develop. Largeness of outlook is cultivated. There is nothing petty or small about Jupiter. It stands for soul growth, expansion, and magnanimity."

(10:15:34) (@rons) The last two sentences coincide with what the readings say about the INNER URGE OR ATTUNEMENT of the soul which entered the earth plane, with Jupiter as one of the affecting planets and, moreover, affecting it favorably.

(10:16:05) (@rons) Speaking generally, however, the readings stress universality and ennoblement as Jupiter's vibrations, showing how these turn the soul-self toward large groups of people, even nations. The following excerpts show how Jupiter's expansive influence works through the other planets named as affecting one's life:

(10:16:41) (@rons) In Venus with Jupiter, we see those abilities to appreciate those things and those experiences that are as from the realm of the universal consciousness, as indicated in the song of the bird, the music of the stream, the beauty of nature; yet, with Jupiter these become universal forces, or those activities in the material plane will have to do with groups and masses, rather than with individuals; though it may be individual in its application. 2869-1

(10:17:21) (@rons) From the Jupiterian sojourn, we find not only the benevolent, but the adverse forces. For while Venus with the Jupiterian brings the enjoyment of the beautiful in ways that would pertain to a universal consciousness or activity, the adverse in Mars. indicates that wrath...may bring those things to cause the influence to be in a reverse manner... 1990-3

(10:17:57) (@rons) As we find...those influences in the astrological aspects show Jupiter as the ruling force [entity entered from Jupiter].

(10:18:11) (@rons) Hence...the entity's activities must have to do with the many...

(10:18:24) (@rons) Those influences in Venus make for an open, frank, loving disposition; making for friends in most any walk or every walk of life. 1442-1

(10:18:44) (@rons) In the latter reading, Venus and Neptune were cited as secondary and tertiary influences, and Neptune's influences were also described as expansive, showing how Jupiter works through the other important planets.

(10:19:12) (@rons) In another instance the entity was said to have entered the earth plane from Jupiter, with Venus, Mercury, and Mars affecting the life. Notice how the urges from Venus, Mercury, and Mars are broadened in outlook through Jupiter's influence:

(10:24:16) (@rons) In Jupiter, we find the great ennobling influences, the broad-mindedness, the ability to consider others, the universal consciousnesses that are a part of the entity's unfoldment.

(10:24:41) (@rons) We find in Venus that unusual attraction that the opposite sex will have for the entity, and the entity for the opposite sex. Hence relationships in such should be the problems, as well as the studies and the guidance through the periods especially in the next cycle - or during the next seven years for the entity.

(10:25:12) (@rons) In Mercury and Mars, we find the energetic activities of mind and of body, and at times appearing oppressive in the experience of others as related to the entity as a meddler. Yet these are benevolent forces, if those activities...of the entity are used and analyzed in that way of aiding the entity in its preparation though such experiences... 2890-2

(10:25:46) (@rons) A "good Jupiter," say the textbooks, brings money and this world's goods, comfort, and perhaps luxury. The readings seem to agree with this.

(10:26:11) (@rons) In Jupiter we find the associations making for those tendencies for large groups...in relationships with the entity. This makes also for those inclinations that...will be great amounts of this world's goods [in the entity's experiences]...

(10:26:32) (@rons) The training also then not only in its teen age [years] but throughout its development...as to the use of same [wealth], as being lent from Creative Forces and energies, and not for self-indulgence... 1206-3

(10:26:49) (@rons) The readings say that Jupiter rules the pituitary gland.

(10:27:27) (@rons) end of today...

(10:33:41) (merlin22) very interesting ron , thank u for the info

(10:33:54) (maybellle) i thank you for the chat tonight Ron

(10:34:13) (@rons) ok...i'm glad you guys stopped by...I appreciate that...

(10:34:23) (merlin22) can we continue next week ?

(10:34:33) (@rons) yes. Of course...

(10:34:44) (@rons) every wednesday

(10:34:48) (@walksinspirit) Ron, this was great info!

(10:34:59) (merlin22) koool !!!!!!

(10:35:02) (maybellle) good night-thanks again

(10:35:07) (@rons) ok bye

(10:35:10) (@walksinspirit) I really enjoyed your thoughts and comments as we went along.

(10:35:17) (@rons) Thanks WIS

(10:38:10) (@rons) I supose we are all through for tonite...

(10:43:44) (@walksinspirit) Night Blessings!

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