Wednesday Night Chat: 11-07-07

[WalksInSpirit]

Wednesday Night Chat: 11-07-07

(09:08:46)  (@autogreeter) Good Evening. The Red Path Chat Room welcomes you to Wednesday Night Chat, Hosted By Ron.

(09:13:13)  (@rons) I'd like to continue with Cayce's approach to astrology then with some sun signs...starting with Libra tonight

(09:13:43)  (@walksinspirit) Oh good! I was hoping you'd do Libra!

(09:13:44)  (@blubearwoman) ok ron

(09:14:24)  (@rons) I wonder if anyone know what sign their birthchart Moon is in...Mars?...Jupiter?

(09:14:42)  (@blubearwoman) no idea

(09:15:12)  (maelly) mine is in Virgo

(09:15:40)  (@rons) I can look up the planets for those I have done charts for...

(09:16:37)  (@rons) I will try to start with the other planets next week...

(09:16:52)  (@rons) I will start now...brb

(09:18:16)  (@rons) PLANETS WERE MADE FOR HUMANITY

(09:18:37)  (@rons) Rather, then, than the stars ruling the life, the life should rule the stars - for man was created a little bit higher than all the rest of the whole universe, and is capable of harnessing, directing, enforcing, the laws of the universe. 5-2

(09:19:07)  (@rons) This plan for our soul evolution is also stated in the following excerpt:

(09:19:24)  (@rons) The earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. The universe He called into being for purposes that the individual soul, that might be one with Him, would have...those influences for bringing this to pass or to be in the experience of every soul.

(09:19:53)  (@rons) For hath it not been given that the Lord thy God hath not willed that any soul should perish? but He hath prepared with every temptation a means, a way of escape.

(09:20:15)  (@rons) Hence...the period of the entrance [birth] is not ruled by the position [of sun and planets] but it may be judged by the position as to the influence...upon an entity's experience because of the entity's application of self's abilities relative to its position in the universal scheme of things... 1347-1

(09:21:01)  (@rons) ...that was a mouthful

(09:21:07)  (@rons) This means that some of the progress, at least, can be judged in reference to the horoscope, with its rising sign and angles, and by a certain number (not all) of the planets. This progress can be judged by the manner in which a soul has applied its abilities previously, according to "the universal scheme of things," or constructively.

(09:21:42)  (@rons) VARIATIONS BETWEEN HOROSCOPE READINGS AND LIFE READINGS

(09:22:14)  (@rons) There is a difference, however, between information derived from a horoscope reading and that from a life reading.

(09:22:28)  (@rons) (Q) What is a horoscope reading?

(09:22:40)  (@rons) (A) That in which the planets and their relative forces [have] to do with the planets that control the actions without respect of will or without respect of the earthly existences through which the body has passed.

(09:24:11)  (@rons) (Q) Do horoscope readings include former appearances in the earth plane?

(09:24:35)  (@rons) A) Not at all. The former appearances and the relation of the solar forces in the Universe have their relations to what might be termed life readings, [while an astrology chart indicates] the science of the solar system and the relation to various phases of earth's existence [as it] may mean for anyone.

(09:25:21)  (@rons) In life existence in earth's plane, and the entity's relation to other sphere [as in a life reading] a different condition, for the sojourn in other spheres than earth's plane controls more the conditions or the urge of the individual, just as we see...an individual controlled by the surroundings, or by the circumstances...yet the urge, the latent forces [of] two individuals raised under the same environment, of the same blood, would have different urges.

(09:26:35)  (@rons) These received from experiences the spirit entity gains in other spheres, correlated with that of its present circumstance...for...a horoscope is only the mathematical calculation of earth's position in the Universe at any given time, while in the life reading would be the correlation of the individual with a given time and place,

(09:27:01)  (@rons) with its relative force as applied and received through other spheres and manifested in earth's sphere in the flesh, and the development being the extenuation of the soul's development manifested in the earth plane... 254-21

(09:27:26)  (@rons) I don't know about you guys, but that wasn't very easy

(09:27:44)  (maelly) i agree

(09:30:48)  (@rons) I think it might be saying that we set our ideals or purpose during our in-between stays among various planetary consciousness'...setting objectives for the next incarnation...the mental urge...than we have to deal with what we acquired during our earlier earthly incarnations...whcih can be a hinderance...in time we diswcover that will and patience is the key to peace and harmoney and freedom

(09:31:08)  (@rons) a little thought of my own on what was stated above...I tried

(09:31:21)  (@blubearwoman) sounds right ron

(09:31:55)  (@rons) wiping forhead over here...

(09:32:00)  (@rons) ok

(09:32:03)  (@rons) I will continue

(09:32:12)  (@walksinspirit) Sounded good to me Ron!

(09:32:40)  (@rons) NECESSITY FOR PLANETARY EXPERIENCES

(09:32:46)  (@cris7) I think you are right on Ron

(09:33:21)  (@rons) Before considering the actual urges from the planets working through the individual in daily life, let us consider the question of why there are eight planets, Sun, and Moon.

(09:33:46)  (@rons) We are told in many of the readings that the soul-entity outside the earth plane may even pass on to other solar systems, through Arcturus, Polaris, or Septimus, or may choose to return to Earth.

(09:34:10)  (@rons) boy. Was that a mistake

(09:34:24)  (@rons) ...though there may be worlds, many universes, even much as to solar systems, greater than our own that we enjoy in the present, this earthly experience on this earth is a mere speck when considered even with our own solar system. Yet the soul of man, thy soul, encompasses ALL in this solar system, or in others...

(09:35:06)  (@rons) But hast thou conceived - or canst thou conceive - the requirements of the influence to meet all the idiosyncrasies of a single soul?

(09:35:22)  (@rons) How many systems would it require? In thyself we find oft one friend for this, another for that, another for this relationship, another for the prop, another to arouse. Yet all are the work of His hand, are thine to possess, thine to use...

(09:35:51)  (@rons) arouse...hmmmm...something for me to think about...

(09:36:23)  (@rons) Is God's hand short, that there would not be all that each soul would require? 5755-2

(09:36:40)  (@rons) PLANETARY DIMENSIONS

(09:37:01)  (@rons) Various attempts have been made to describe the soul's spiritual dwellings outside the earth plane or in the interims between death and birth. Some feel that the soul goes directly to some other planet and manifests there in the same way in which it manifested on the earth plane; that it inhabits each planet, as the material body inhabits the earth.

(09:37:51)  (@rons) ...and others think we just go to heaven after one fling and sit on a cloud playing an out-of-tune harp

(09:38:27)  (@rons) another of my silly comments...

(09:38:32)  (@rons) This is a misconception, according to the readings, and yet it cannot be definitely stated what is meant by planes or spheres or dimensions of consciousness or vibratory centers. The Earth is a three-dimensional planet, and while we are here, we think mostly in three-dimensional terms. In some dream states, the soul may be in a four-dimensional state. The readings state that there are eight dimensions.

(09:43:16)  (@rons) When we speak of the Earth being a three-dimensional environment, we mention length, breadth, and height. Yet the readings define the three dimensions as time, space, and patience.

(09:44:05)  (@rons) For the entity finds itself a body, a mind, a soul - three; or the earth consciousness as a three-dimensional plane in one.

(09:45:35)  (@rons) Do I think I'm correct to assume that my idea was a correct assumption? ...I really don't know, but it seemed logical and coherant...the opposite of my usual incoherant self

(09:45:57)  (@rons) So man's concept of the Godhead is three-dimensional - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The communication or the activity or the motivating force we find is three-dimensional - time, space and patience. Neither of these exists in fact, except in the concept of the individual as it may apply to time or space or patience. 4035-1

(09:46:56)  (@rons) VIBRATIONS EXPLAINED

(09:47:34)  (@rons) this will tonights last chapter. then to something else

(09:47:41)  (@rons) We now have a number of terms describing planetary dimensions: spheres, planes, phases of consciousness, stages of the condition, dimensions of consciousness, etc. To these we add the term vibrations, which is perhaps the most understandable description of all.

(09:48:07)  (@rons) In the following reading planetary vibrations are explained by drawing a parallel with the vibrations one collects, absorbs, and builds by dwelling and working in a special environment, such as a college.

(09:48:42)  (@rons) Just as the entity's attending this or that university...would make for a parlance peculiar unto itself.

(09:48:59)  (@rons) Even though individuals may study the same line of thought, one attending Harvard, another Yale, another Oxford, another Stanford, another the University of Arizona, they each would carry with them the vibrations created by their very activity in those environs.

(09:49:22)  (@rons) In the same way, emotions arise from...activity in a particular sojourn, and are called the spirit of the institution to which the entity may have carried itself...So we find those astrological sojourns making these vibrations or impressions in the present entity. 633-2

(09:49:47)  (@rons) We are affected by planetary vibrations (transits of planets) during our lifetimes because we have attuned ourselves to them during sojourns in those environs. The portion of our personality vibrations represented by a planet's vibrations which we have acquired reacts to the movements of a transiting planet.

(09:50:11)  (@rons) This concept of the effect of planets seems to be what is referred to here:

(09:50:26)  (@rons) Then there are the sojourns in other realms of the solar system which represent certain attributes. Not that ye maintain a physical earth-body in Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Uranus or Saturn, but there is an awareness or a consciousness in those realms when absent from the body, and the response to the position those planets occupy in this solar system...

(09:50:29)  (@blubearwoman) can you give an example ron?

(09:52:50)  (@rons) If you mean the 'transits' ...they are the actual sky positions of the planets at this very time, now! They are moving constantly, of course. They eventually make contact with a natal planet. This transiting planet makes an aspect...thus an event that was timed at that time happens...this is how prediction works...and

(09:54:19)  (@rons) also certain planets we sojourned on before birth will have certain locations in the chart that have a stronger influence than others...thus certain transits have a strong affect and other do not [as stated above]...these locations are on and near one's ascendant at birth

(09:54:41)  (@blubearwoman) ok

(09:54:53)  (@rons) I hop that made sense...my writing..

(09:55:08)  (@blubearwoman) yes, it does

(09:55:27)  (@cris7) yes

(09:55:44)  (@rons) I tried to explain the paragraph above

(09:55:54)  (maelly) youre doin pretty good seems like

(09:56:09)  (@rons) Now we should all know what a transit is...right :)

(09:56:29)  (@cris7) I think that sometimes explains why people may not feel they are from here. I've heard that several times

(09:56:31)  (@blubearwoman) yes

(09:56:31)  (@rons) And we should all know where the ascendant is, right? :)

(09:57:02)  (maelly) sure thing

(09:57:09)  (@rons) it on the left side of the chart on the horazontal line...its position also gives the ascending sign

(09:57:25)  (@rons) so there...moving on

(09:57:46)  (@rons) Then there are the sojourns in other realms of the solar system which represent certain attributes. Not that ye maintain a physical earth-body in Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Uranus or Saturn, but there is an awareness or a consciousness in those realms when absent from the body, and the response to the position those planets occupy in this solar system...

(09:58:16)  (@rons) Thus ye oft find in thy experiences that places, peoples, things and conditions are a part of self as if ye were in the consciousness of same. 2823-1

(09:58:46)  (@rons) But what has all this to do with the plan of soul evolution?

(09:58:58)  (@rons) Each entity is a part of the universal whole. All knowledge, all understanding that has been a part of the entity's consciousness, then, is a part of the entity's experience.

(09:59:42)  (@rons) Like what astrologers have been saying, that the horoscope is the sum total of the souls experience

(09:59:59)  (@rons) Thus the unfoldment in the present is merely becoming aware of that experience through which the entity, either in body or in mind, has passed in a consciousness. 2823-1

(10:00:04)  (@rons) END for today

[WalksInSpirit]

(10:03:41)  (@rons) SUN IN LIBRA: Libra's aim is to identify themselves with as much of the rest of the world as suits the demands of their very eclectic and elegant taste. Despite a gentle and firm sort of independence, they do not put much stock in "being himself/herself," for they value other people a great deal and, if no principle is involved, will please others before thinking of what they want.

(10:04:27)  (@rons) In a deep sense, what they want is what makes others happy. In some this makes weakness. The girl who "made love only to her friends and didn't have an enemy in the world" was very likely a Libran. But so also is the girl whose charm is so great and whose interest so eager that she holds a man's attention without yielding to his carnal passions.

(10:05:27)  (@rons) And many who have tried to force the apparently yielding Libran along a path counter to their principles have felt the iron hand in the velvet glove. Libra's willingness to lose their identity in others - in society, in marriage - makes Librans ideal companions, or mates, for those who understand the curious need they have for independence that accompanies their selflessness.

(10:06:03)  (@rons) They merge with others, but they retain their identity, and will withdraw completely if their identity is attacked or endangered. They are democratic in spirit, but since they identify themselves with elegance, will not allow themselves to be forced into contact with things or people that offend their very strong sense of good taste.

(10:06:40)  (@rons) Thus they are often thought aristocrats or snobs, when in reality they have the deepest kind of respect, sympathy and understanding for all sorts and conditions of men. They also have a great deal of respect, sympathy and understanding for themselves, and see no reason why they should ever give this up;

(10:07:22)  (@rons) They are the living embodiment of the co-operative spirit; they will work with you till they drop, but rarely FOR you. By the same token, if they are executives (and they often are) they treat their subordinates as partners, not as servants. Much is expected of the man who works for a Libra boss, who in return pays him well and treats him as an equal.

(10:07:55)  (@rons) The girl who does housework for a Libra mistress must keep the place spotless, but is treated with respect, as a fellow mortal whose human dignity must never be violated or imposed on.

(10:08:15)  (@rons) Libra finds deepest satisfaction in harmonious union with those around them, and with the whole world, which is not too much to be taken in by his warm and tolerant spirit.

(10:08:37)  (@rons) The Sun is in Libra from September 21st to October 21st. Represented by "high winds and line storms, followed by calm." The keyword is "I balance." Libra rules the kidneys in the physical body.

(10:08:59)  (@rons) Libra is the seventh sign of the zodiac and marks the beginning of the fall season. It is the time of year when we have the equinoctial storms.

(10:09:18)  (@rons) Libra is the turning point in the evolutionary process. The nadir of selfness has been reached and in this sign, relationships involving cooperation are born. This is the 'union' or marriage sign of the zodiac, and the soul can no longer function in the 'me' consciousness. It has to become the 'we' consciousness.

(10:09:52)  (@rons) Now the soul has to balance the world of appearance (the personality) with the inner world of reality (the soul). Venus is the ruler of this sign for only through love and cohesiveness can true union be attained. The development of relationships is the most important attainment for the Libran.

(10:10:22)  (@rons) One of the Libra's weaknesses is wanting to be all things to all men. So great is their desire to be liked by everyone, they will not take a stand on an issue, even when they know it to be right inwardly. "Peace at any price," is their motto., but sometimes the price is too high.

(10:10:53)  (@rons) When integrity is involved, it is well to. be willing to pay the price. It is difficult for the Libran to be generous for there is tenacity and Saturn is exalted in this sign. Librans are very secretive about finances and personal matters and will resent any attempt to pry into their affairs.

(10:11:45)  (@rons) They have an executive and legal type mind. Many lawyers have planets in this sign. Librans are not the stay-at-home types like Virgo and Cancer.

(10:12:16)  (@rons) They like to travel and explore horizons, either mentally or physically. Librans can work up a storm where other people are concerned. On the surface there is a diplomacy and sweetness, but beneath the velvet glove is a fist of iron. It is hard for a Libran to believe they are dominating and self-willed, but it is true. The esoteric ruler of Libra is Uranus. This explains a great deal.

(10:12:56)  (@rons) There is a tendency to. stay overlong in the parental nest due to a strong identification with the mother. Because of a strong sense of duty and responsibility it is difficult for the Libran to get away from "the womb of the past." This blockage causes deep seated resentment which becomes stronger because it is unexpressed.

(10:13:31)  (@rons) Librans are the diplomats par excellence for they are friendly, outgoing and interested in living life to the fullest. Their desire for approbation is very strong. In group associations they shine because they are tactful and conscientious, have a strong sense of justice and the will to do good.

(10:13:57)  (@rons) In the physical body Libra rules the kidneys, the purifiers of the body. In the psychological body, relationships are the purifiers of the consciousness. No. man can be an island.

(10:14:18)  (@rons) END...now, other chart indicators can alter some of this

(10:14:32)  (@cris7) Thanks Ron

(10:14:34)  (ark777) thanks Ron

(10:14:41)  (@rons) whats next?

(10:14:46)  (maelly) thanks ron

(10:14:53)  (@rons) Virgo, Cancer...?

(10:14:56)  (@blubearwoman) TY Ron

(10:15:07)  (@walksinspirit) Thank you Ron! That was very informative!

(10:15:09)  (@rons) Taurus? Sagittarius

(10:15:17)  (@walksinspirit) Virgo!

(10:15:23)  (@rons) how about Scorpio?

(10:15:28)  (@rons) ok virgo

(10:16:01)  (@rons) SUN IN VIRGO: To discover the motivating drive in the life of any Virgoan, it is necessary to look at the work they are doing; for so deep is Virgo's utilitarian sense that they identify themselves with their work and is quite willing to lose themselves in it.

(10:16:32)  (@rons) Their personality and character development depend, to a peculiar extent, on the nature of the work they have set themselves, for they will be as big or as small as their job or mission. They are capable of becoming single-tracked, absorbed and narrow over and whatever they happen to fall into.

(10:17:03)  (@rons) They are capable of making work their god, and thus going high and far in a chosen direction. They are capable of expanding their spirit by selecting a career some how related to service. They are capable of the extremes of self-denial if they think their calls them to that. And they are also capable of feeling that their work requires self-immolation, self-limitation and self-sacrifice to an inordinate degree.

(10:18:04)  (@rons) And they are also capable of feeling that their work requires self-immolation, self-limitation and self-sacrifice to an inordinate degree. However you figure it, the puzzle of their nature will be solved if you find their attitude toward the hub of their universe, their work. So true is this that when you run across an unemployed Virgoan you have the most woe-begone and incomplete personality in the world.

(10:18:41)  (@rons) In losing their work, Virgo loses their whole reason for being. In its best forms, this makes for efficiency and brilliance in the performance of duty, and it may take the sense of duty into very humane realms of selflessness. In its worst form, it makes for narrowness of outlook, great inability to talk anything but shop. lack of interest in anything not related to work.

(10:19:19)  (@rons) So engrossed does Virgo become their job (task, mission, message or whatever they call it) that they sometimes intent on destroying all the rest of the personality that doesn't belong to their work. They lose interest in extracurricular activities, so that their life is one long routine of keeping the nose to the grindstone, and they are unhappy when for some reason or other the grindstone stops or their nose gets away from it.

(10:20:15)  (@rons) To fix the aim high, to select a job that requires diverse talents and wide knowledge, is Virgo's best bet for a well-rounded life. If they have the misfortune to be able to find progress and security in a rut, they are likely to see only the progress and not realize it is a rut. e needs activities, companions.

(10:20:57)  (@rons) They need activities, companions, fun, diversions, hobbies to broaden their life, and should seek these along constructive lines lest their overtaxed body and brain force them to seek them in undesirable forms of escapism, brooding and introversion.

(10:21:28)  (@rons) The Sun is in Virgo from August 21st to September 22nd, approximately. Virgo is represented by "the harvest time, the gleaming of the wheat and the fruits of the earth." The keyword: "I analyze." Rules the assimilative system in the physical body.

(10:21:55)  (@rons) Virgo's symbol is depicted as the Virgin, holding a sheaf of wheat, This symbol indicates the gathering in of material needs, just as the Virgo people collect, digest and correlate facts for their mental values.

(10:22:17)  (@rons) The Virgin denotes purity and perfection. Virgo's desire is to reach the highest possible perfection, not only for themselves but for those around them. They have a greater sense of power than they are able to express, resulting in an inferiority complex is a superiority complex turned in on itself.

(10:22:46)  (@rons) Virgo is constantly learning the lesson of humble service and patience. They find their fullest expression through service to others, being willing to do it quietly but thoroughly.

(10:23:11)  (@rons) Taking care of endless details and routine jobs is where they function best. There is a cautiousness and oftimes a selfishness in Virgo that is often unrecognized by the person born in this sign. It is difficult for the person to communicate and articulate where their inner thoughts and feelings are concerned.

(10:23:43)  (@rons) Their home is extremely important to them for they feel more secure there than in any other surrounding. They are not gregarious because of their shyness. Virgo people have jittery nerves and a highly geared nervous system.

(10:24:04)  (@rons) Their state of mind has a direct bearing on their health. They can become hypochondriacs if they become too self-centered and anxious about their health. Nervous tension is the person in the body giving the body a hard time.

(10:24:29)  (@rons) The Virgo individuals greatest fault is being too critical. Their analyzing mind can cause them to degenerate into faultfinding, criticism and irritability. Virgos real satisfaction lies in the realm of work and service. They are one of the best workers in the zodiac. They are practical and down to earth in their approach to life.

(10:25:01)  (@rons) They are good in the field of accounting and bookkeeping. Virgo women make excellent nurses and there is a strong purity and fastidiousness in them. They dislike anything crude or course. There is a sweetness and a lack of aggressiveness in this sign. [other indications can alter any Sun sign] Virgo people make few enemies and have many friends due to their quiet, gently manner.

(10:25:18)  (@rons) Because of their own inner feelings of inadequacy, they can be very demanding where their loved ones are concerned. Their need is to learn to be less critical and more loving. Venus, the love principle, is unhappy in an area where the lower mind operates. Love withers in a critical atmosphere.

(10:26:13)  (@rons) We relate to others through the heart, never through the head. We recognize this fact subconsciously when we use the term "Never mind."

(10:26:31)  (@rons) In the universal scheme of things, Virgo stands for the 'womb of time' wherein God's plan is being worked out through pain, struggle and conflict. These are the things that set the consciousness free from being earthbound.

(10:26:52)  (@rons) Virgo represents the sign of the hidden Christ in every person; the seed planted in earth, that must root in the darkness, and through struggle break its sheath and struggle towards the Light.

(10:27:13)  (@rons) Virgo is the last of the personal or evolving signs, and is the threshold of the birth of the inner man. The personality is developed from Aries to Virgo; the souls is developed from Virgo to Pisces.

(10:27:40)  (@rons) END for tonight...or maybe another sign?

(10:27:53)  (@blubearwoman) That is pleanty ron

(10:27:55)  (@blubearwoman) TY

(10:27:59)  (@rons) I will continue with the other signs weekly

(10:28:14)  (@walksinspirit) Thank you Ron! That was very informative!

(10:28:26)  (ark777) my brother is a virgo

(10:28:32)  (maelly) thanks ron great info

(10:28:47)  (@rons) I appreciate all the company...glad I didn't end up talking to myself...a fault I wish to avoid :)

(10:29:03)  (@blubearwoman) lol