Post by WalksInSpirit on Oct 2, 2007 22:07:44 GMT -5
Wednesday Night Chat: 09-12-07
[21:18] <ron1> I might be able to share a few topics today...one regarding the Great Pyramid...Sun signs from a more esoteric view, and the question why one should take astrology into consideration
[21:19] <ron1> esoteric view like I did last week with Capricorn
[21:19] <Raleigh> :)
[21:20] <mabel> sounds good ron
[21:20] <Raleigh> i gotta go at quarter till k
[21:20] <ron1> I'll startup on the half hour
[21:20] <Raleigh> so do the pyramid study 1st
[21:20] <Raleigh> :)
[21:20] <ron1> ok, then I'll start in a few more minutes
[21:21] <ron1> I would rather wait till later when more people are here regarding the pyramid
[21:21] <Cris> Have you ever done a chart for someone that especially stood out?
[21:22] <Raleigh> i k
[21:22] <ron1> ok, I'll start up now...
[21:22] <Raleigh> ty ron
[21:22] <Raleigh> i am juggling these new classes of mine
[21:23] <ron1> I believe so...but I'm not able to recall much at this time...I do have one or two interpretations of EdGAR Cayce's horoscope
[21:23] <mabel> tomorrow is the Unity day of Peace
[21:23] <Raleigh> wow
[21:23] <ron1> WHY DO WE STUDY ASTROLOGY?
[21:23] <ron1> Q. Please give a definition of the word astrology.
[21:24] <ron1> By the way, this is from the Readings...
[21:24] <ron1> A. That position in space about our own earth that is under the control of the forces that are within the sphere of that control, and all other spheres without that control. That is astrology, the study of those conditions.
[21:25] <ron1> I wonder if he is speaking of astrology being a geocentric concept, that is as viewed from the earth
[21:26] <ron1> The center of our universe...
[21:26] <ron1> Ourselves...
[21:26] <Raleigh> what is geocentric?
[21:26] <ron1> earth centered, ral
[21:26] <Raleigh> k
[21:27] <ron1> This is where we live, so the chart is drawn up on the place, or planet which we live
[21:27] <ron1> In the beginning, our own plane, the Earth, was set in motion. The planning of other planets began the ruling of the destiny of all matters as created, just as the division of waters was ruled and is ruled by the Moon in its path about the earth; just so as the higher creation as it begun is ruled by its action in conjunction with the planets about the earth.
[21:28] <ron1> The strongest force used in the destiny of man is the Sun first, then the closer planets to the earth, or those that are coming to ascension at the time of the birth of the individual, but let it be understood here, no action of any planet or the phases of the sun, the moon or any of the heavenly bodies surpass the rule of man’s will power,
[21:29] <ron1> the power given by the Creator of man, in the beginning, when he became a living soul, with the power of choosing for himself. The inclinations of man are ruled by the planets under which he is born, for the destiny of man lies within the sphere or scope of the planets.
[21:29] <ron1> So there!
[21:29] <Raleigh> :)\
[21:30] <ron1> Q. Do the planets have an effect on the life of every individual born?
[21:30] <mabel> so will power is stronger than the "forces" is that what it says?
[21:30] <Raleigh> astrlogy causes urges right ron
[21:31] <Raleigh> our wii can override all / even gravity cayce said
[21:31] <ron1> That is true mabel...but, it takes a LOT of Will Power to overcome weakness...for some of us, its a lifetime struggle to say "no"
[21:31] <Raleigh> its called airplanes
[21:31] <Raleigh> :)
[21:31] <Cris> Hence the term addiction
[21:31] <Cris> when we don't have willpower
[21:31] <Raleigh> good point cris
[21:32] <ron1> urges, right ral...these urges we take with us, from lifetime to lifetime...urges are earthly
[21:32] <mabel> is that like liking chocolate? or drinking too much, (speaking of myself here)
[21:32] <Raleigh> :)
[21:32] <Raleigh> i feel yes
[21:33] <Raleigh> all dersire need be controled
[21:33] <Raleigh> yup
[21:33] <Raleigh> desire is or the world /. we are not //
[21:33] <mabel> is that correct?? does all desire need to be controlled?
[21:33] <ron1> the the mind, which has its seat in the head, the highest point in the body is closest to heaven, with the will, has to overcome these lower forces we have taken with us from past incarnations
[21:33] <Raleigh> of*
[21:35] <ron1> Yes...there are good desires as well as bad desires that will eventually bring us down in lifelll desire to attain a certain objective is your motivating force
[21:35] <ron1> life...*
[21:35] <Cris> There can be too much of a good thing such a workaholics who neglect their children
[21:35] <ron1> there for desire to self-improve is a good way to look at desire as well
[21:36] <Raleigh> yeah / i was speaking of carnal desire
[21:36] <ron1> Yes cris...we all must be moderate in all things...extremes a a display of fanaticism
[21:36] <Raleigh> god desrire companions and created us /
[21:36] <Raleigh> desire*
[21:37] <ron1> right
[21:37] <ron1> I must move on
[21:37] <ron1> A. They have. Just as this earth’s forces were set in motion, and about it, those forces that govern the elements, elementary so, of the earth’s sphere or plane, and as each comes under the influence of those conditions, the influence is to the individual without regards to the will, which is the developing factor of man,
[21:37] <ron1> in which such is expressed through the breath of the Creator, and as one’s plane of existence is lived out from one sphere to another they come under the influence of those to which it passes from time to time. …
[21:37] <ron1> In this manner we see there is the influence of the planets upon an individual, for all must come under that influence, though one may pass from one plane to another without going through all stages of the condition, for only upon the earth plane at present do we find man is flesh and blood,
[21:38] <ron1> , but upon others do we find those of his own making in the preparation of his own development. …
[21:38] <ron1> Q. Are any of the planets, other than the earth, inhabited by human beings or animal life of any kind?
[21:38] <ron1> A. No.
[21:39] <Raleigh> yeah but what about ET
[21:39] <Raleigh> :)
[21:39] <ron1> Q. Is it proper for us to study the effects of the planets on our lives in order to better understand our tendencies and inclinations, as influenced by the planets?
[21:39] <ron1> A. When studied aright, very, very, very much so. How aright then? In that influence as is seen in the influence of the knowledge already obtained by mortal man. Give more of that into the lives, giving the understanding that the will must be the ever guiding factor to lead man on, ever upward.
[21:40] <ron1> Q. Are the tendencies of an individual influenced most by the planets nearer the earth at the time of the individual’s birth?
[21:40] <ron1> A. At, or from that one who is at the zenith when the individual is in its place or sphere, or as is seen from that sphere or plane the soul and spirit took its flight in coming to the earth plane. For each plane, in its relation to the other, is just outside, just outside, relativity of force, as we gather them together. 3744-4
[21:41] <Raleigh> i triied to get a chart / guess what? lost the time of my birth
[21:42] <ron1> There has been a little problem interpretation EC's terminology regarding the 'zenith' or the last planet one took flight from before making that unfortuante choise to enter a new body...:)
[21:42] <ron1> choice*
[21:42] <Cris> It's on your birth certificate Ral
[21:43] <Raleigh> nope
[21:43] <Raleigh> adoption deal
[21:43] <mabel> ask your mom Raleigh-she may well remember!!:)
[21:43] <ron1> But, it has been found that the planets at and near the Ascendant has a very strong influence...this is truely acknowledged by traditional astrology
[21:43] <Raleigh> she said in the a m is all
[21:44] <Raleigh> say ron --- / i have some very big classes starting / i will be here next week k?
[21:44] <ron1> I will draw up anyone's charts...I will be using them for personal study...as a learning process for us all
[21:44] <Raleigh> ty for teaching again ron
[21:44] <ron1> ok ral...
[21:45] <ron1> moving on...
[21:45] <ron1> Not that there are not definite helps to be attained from astrology, but those who live by same the more oft are controlled rather than controlling their own lives and their destinies. Astrology is a fact, in most instances.
[21:45] <ron1> But astrological aspects are but signs, symbols. No influence is of greater value or of greater help than the will of an individual. Use such directions as steppingstones. Do not let them become stumbling stones in thy experience. 815-6
[21:47] <ron1> By the way, one can strenghten the use of Will, just by doing daily meditations...this can be accomplished just by one's effort at stilling the ever active, interferring mind
[21:47] <ron1> my comment...
[21:47] <MarkH> thanks
[21:47] <ron1> Q. Would it be well for me to make a study of astrology?
[21:47] <mabel> yes thanks
[21:48] <ron1> A. Well for everyone to make a study of astrology! … As we look about us we see the various spheroids, spheres, planets or solar systems, and they have their individual activity. Look at the soul of man and know it may be equal to, or greater; for it must be man’s ability to control one of such! Vast study, yes! 311-10
[21:49] <ron1> And, at the same time, inner spiritual strength is acquired! guidance to choose correctly...
[21:49] <ron1> another comment...:)
[21:49] <ron1> Astronomy is considered a science and astrology as foolishness. Who is correct? One holds that because of the position of the earth, the sun, the planets, they are balanced one with another in some manner, some form; yet that they have nothing to do with man’s life or the expanse of life, or the emotions of the physical being in the earth.
[21:50] <ron1> Then, why and how do the effects of the sun so influence other life in the earth and not affect man’s life, man’s emotions? As the sun has been set as the ruler of this solar system, does it not appear to be reasonable that it has an effect upon the inhabitants of the earth, as well as upon plant and mineral life in the earth?
[21:50] <ron1> …For, remember, they – the sun, the moon, the planets – have their marching orders from the divine, and they move in same. 5757-1
[21:50] <ron1> …these – the astrological urges – are only tendencies! Choices must be made, and the application of self to the universal laws is effective – in each life! … 933-3 ……END
[21:51] <ron1> ok...I have more...take a little break
[21:19] <ron1> esoteric view like I did last week with Capricorn
[21:19] <Raleigh> :)
[21:20] <mabel> sounds good ron
[21:20] <Raleigh> i gotta go at quarter till k
[21:20] <ron1> I'll startup on the half hour
[21:20] <Raleigh> so do the pyramid study 1st
[21:20] <Raleigh> :)
[21:20] <ron1> ok, then I'll start in a few more minutes
[21:21] <ron1> I would rather wait till later when more people are here regarding the pyramid
[21:21] <Cris> Have you ever done a chart for someone that especially stood out?
[21:22] <Raleigh> i k
[21:22] <ron1> ok, I'll start up now...
[21:22] <Raleigh> ty ron
[21:22] <Raleigh> i am juggling these new classes of mine
[21:23] <ron1> I believe so...but I'm not able to recall much at this time...I do have one or two interpretations of EdGAR Cayce's horoscope
[21:23] <mabel> tomorrow is the Unity day of Peace
[21:23] <Raleigh> wow
[21:23] <ron1> WHY DO WE STUDY ASTROLOGY?
[21:23] <ron1> Q. Please give a definition of the word astrology.
[21:24] <ron1> By the way, this is from the Readings...
[21:24] <ron1> A. That position in space about our own earth that is under the control of the forces that are within the sphere of that control, and all other spheres without that control. That is astrology, the study of those conditions.
[21:25] <ron1> I wonder if he is speaking of astrology being a geocentric concept, that is as viewed from the earth
[21:26] <ron1> The center of our universe...
[21:26] <ron1> Ourselves...
[21:26] <Raleigh> what is geocentric?
[21:26] <ron1> earth centered, ral
[21:26] <Raleigh> k
[21:27] <ron1> This is where we live, so the chart is drawn up on the place, or planet which we live
[21:27] <ron1> In the beginning, our own plane, the Earth, was set in motion. The planning of other planets began the ruling of the destiny of all matters as created, just as the division of waters was ruled and is ruled by the Moon in its path about the earth; just so as the higher creation as it begun is ruled by its action in conjunction with the planets about the earth.
[21:28] <ron1> The strongest force used in the destiny of man is the Sun first, then the closer planets to the earth, or those that are coming to ascension at the time of the birth of the individual, but let it be understood here, no action of any planet or the phases of the sun, the moon or any of the heavenly bodies surpass the rule of man’s will power,
[21:29] <ron1> the power given by the Creator of man, in the beginning, when he became a living soul, with the power of choosing for himself. The inclinations of man are ruled by the planets under which he is born, for the destiny of man lies within the sphere or scope of the planets.
[21:29] <ron1> So there!
[21:29] <Raleigh> :)\
[21:30] <ron1> Q. Do the planets have an effect on the life of every individual born?
[21:30] <mabel> so will power is stronger than the "forces" is that what it says?
[21:30] <Raleigh> astrlogy causes urges right ron
[21:31] <Raleigh> our wii can override all / even gravity cayce said
[21:31] <ron1> That is true mabel...but, it takes a LOT of Will Power to overcome weakness...for some of us, its a lifetime struggle to say "no"
[21:31] <Raleigh> its called airplanes
[21:31] <Raleigh> :)
[21:31] <Cris> Hence the term addiction
[21:31] <Cris> when we don't have willpower
[21:31] <Raleigh> good point cris
[21:32] <ron1> urges, right ral...these urges we take with us, from lifetime to lifetime...urges are earthly
[21:32] <mabel> is that like liking chocolate? or drinking too much, (speaking of myself here)
[21:32] <Raleigh> :)
[21:32] <Raleigh> i feel yes
[21:33] <Raleigh> all dersire need be controled
[21:33] <Raleigh> yup
[21:33] <Raleigh> desire is or the world /. we are not //
[21:33] <mabel> is that correct?? does all desire need to be controlled?
[21:33] <ron1> the the mind, which has its seat in the head, the highest point in the body is closest to heaven, with the will, has to overcome these lower forces we have taken with us from past incarnations
[21:33] <Raleigh> of*
[21:35] <ron1> Yes...there are good desires as well as bad desires that will eventually bring us down in lifelll desire to attain a certain objective is your motivating force
[21:35] <ron1> life...*
[21:35] <Cris> There can be too much of a good thing such a workaholics who neglect their children
[21:35] <ron1> there for desire to self-improve is a good way to look at desire as well
[21:36] <Raleigh> yeah / i was speaking of carnal desire
[21:36] <ron1> Yes cris...we all must be moderate in all things...extremes a a display of fanaticism
[21:36] <Raleigh> god desrire companions and created us /
[21:36] <Raleigh> desire*
[21:37] <ron1> right
[21:37] <ron1> I must move on
[21:37] <ron1> A. They have. Just as this earth’s forces were set in motion, and about it, those forces that govern the elements, elementary so, of the earth’s sphere or plane, and as each comes under the influence of those conditions, the influence is to the individual without regards to the will, which is the developing factor of man,
[21:37] <ron1> in which such is expressed through the breath of the Creator, and as one’s plane of existence is lived out from one sphere to another they come under the influence of those to which it passes from time to time. …
[21:37] <ron1> In this manner we see there is the influence of the planets upon an individual, for all must come under that influence, though one may pass from one plane to another without going through all stages of the condition, for only upon the earth plane at present do we find man is flesh and blood,
[21:38] <ron1> , but upon others do we find those of his own making in the preparation of his own development. …
[21:38] <ron1> Q. Are any of the planets, other than the earth, inhabited by human beings or animal life of any kind?
[21:38] <ron1> A. No.
[21:39] <Raleigh> yeah but what about ET
[21:39] <Raleigh> :)
[21:39] <ron1> Q. Is it proper for us to study the effects of the planets on our lives in order to better understand our tendencies and inclinations, as influenced by the planets?
[21:39] <ron1> A. When studied aright, very, very, very much so. How aright then? In that influence as is seen in the influence of the knowledge already obtained by mortal man. Give more of that into the lives, giving the understanding that the will must be the ever guiding factor to lead man on, ever upward.
[21:40] <ron1> Q. Are the tendencies of an individual influenced most by the planets nearer the earth at the time of the individual’s birth?
[21:40] <ron1> A. At, or from that one who is at the zenith when the individual is in its place or sphere, or as is seen from that sphere or plane the soul and spirit took its flight in coming to the earth plane. For each plane, in its relation to the other, is just outside, just outside, relativity of force, as we gather them together. 3744-4
[21:41] <Raleigh> i triied to get a chart / guess what? lost the time of my birth
[21:42] <ron1> There has been a little problem interpretation EC's terminology regarding the 'zenith' or the last planet one took flight from before making that unfortuante choise to enter a new body...:)
[21:42] <ron1> choice*
[21:42] <Cris> It's on your birth certificate Ral
[21:43] <Raleigh> nope
[21:43] <Raleigh> adoption deal
[21:43] <mabel> ask your mom Raleigh-she may well remember!!:)
[21:43] <ron1> But, it has been found that the planets at and near the Ascendant has a very strong influence...this is truely acknowledged by traditional astrology
[21:43] <Raleigh> she said in the a m is all
[21:44] <Raleigh> say ron --- / i have some very big classes starting / i will be here next week k?
[21:44] <ron1> I will draw up anyone's charts...I will be using them for personal study...as a learning process for us all
[21:44] <Raleigh> ty for teaching again ron
[21:44] <ron1> ok ral...
[21:45] <ron1> moving on...
[21:45] <ron1> Not that there are not definite helps to be attained from astrology, but those who live by same the more oft are controlled rather than controlling their own lives and their destinies. Astrology is a fact, in most instances.
[21:45] <ron1> But astrological aspects are but signs, symbols. No influence is of greater value or of greater help than the will of an individual. Use such directions as steppingstones. Do not let them become stumbling stones in thy experience. 815-6
[21:47] <ron1> By the way, one can strenghten the use of Will, just by doing daily meditations...this can be accomplished just by one's effort at stilling the ever active, interferring mind
[21:47] <ron1> my comment...
[21:47] <MarkH> thanks
[21:47] <ron1> Q. Would it be well for me to make a study of astrology?
[21:47] <mabel> yes thanks
[21:48] <ron1> A. Well for everyone to make a study of astrology! … As we look about us we see the various spheroids, spheres, planets or solar systems, and they have their individual activity. Look at the soul of man and know it may be equal to, or greater; for it must be man’s ability to control one of such! Vast study, yes! 311-10
[21:49] <ron1> And, at the same time, inner spiritual strength is acquired! guidance to choose correctly...
[21:49] <ron1> another comment...:)
[21:49] <ron1> Astronomy is considered a science and astrology as foolishness. Who is correct? One holds that because of the position of the earth, the sun, the planets, they are balanced one with another in some manner, some form; yet that they have nothing to do with man’s life or the expanse of life, or the emotions of the physical being in the earth.
[21:50] <ron1> Then, why and how do the effects of the sun so influence other life in the earth and not affect man’s life, man’s emotions? As the sun has been set as the ruler of this solar system, does it not appear to be reasonable that it has an effect upon the inhabitants of the earth, as well as upon plant and mineral life in the earth?
[21:50] <ron1> …For, remember, they – the sun, the moon, the planets – have their marching orders from the divine, and they move in same. 5757-1
[21:50] <ron1> …these – the astrological urges – are only tendencies! Choices must be made, and the application of self to the universal laws is effective – in each life! … 933-3 ……END
[21:51] <ron1> ok...I have more...take a little break